Psychics & Numerology Legit Or What?

[thuglife]

Look at this where psychics and a numerology person are able to know things:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTUrLWdclpo

 

What's the deal? If there's a science to it, like the numerology, does it become halaal? what's the deal

[Chaotic Muslem]

haram

no deal.

[rafidhi1986]

Simply playing with jinn

Read in Nahjul Balagha, you will find this science highly problematic

[hasanhh]

(salam)

 

There use to be -and advertised continuously on TV- a psychic call-in line.

 

I forget its name and was closed by the federal gov't for "wire fraud".

 

I called it the "Psycho Phoney Nutwork"

[thuglife]

Simply playing with jinn

Read in Nahjul Balagha, you will find this science highly problematic

Salam

 

Can you be more specific?

 

 

haram

no deal.

 

Salam

 

I remember a video of Ammar Nakshawani saying something along the lines of -- about people who looked at the stars to predict the future or know the best time to do something --  if Allah swt has made a science out of this, where He has put forth a way for people to know a good or bad time to do something, then it is allowed (I'm roughly quoting as it was a long time ago I saw it). I might be forgetting what exactly makes it halaal, but I def recall him saying that it can be halaal (if it meets a certain criteria). Whether this numerology or "psychic" skills is halaal or not, I don't know. In the video they talk about the loved one being in heaven.

 

Can we have someone chime in with words from their marja or some respectable source?

[Chaotic Muslem]

Salam

 

Can you be more specific?

 

 

 

Salam

 

I remember a video of Ammar Nakshawani saying something along the lines of -- about people who looked at the stars to predict the future or know the best time to do something --  if Allah swt has made a science out of this, where He has put forth a way for people to know a good or bad time to do something, then it is allowed (I'm roughly quoting as it was a long time ago I saw it). I might be forgetting what exactly makes it halaal, but I def recall him saying that it can be halaal (if it meets a certain criteria). Whether this numerology or "psychic" skills is halaal or not, I don't know. In the video they talk about the loved one being in heaven.

 

Can we have someone chime in with words from their marja or some respectable source?

Astronomy and Meteorology

Predictions regarding future events; i.e. price fluctuations of grain, its shortage and abundance, the scarcity and intensity of rain and all other types of good and bad happenings; based on the knowledge of the effect of heavenly bodies on earth is known as meteorology. It is

 

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permitted if the one who is predicting only considers them a possibility but not a certainty because the final authority for all cause and effect lies with Allah. Thus there is no harm in predicting the solar and lunar eclipses and the position of stars etc. because such predictions are based on complicated calculations and such predictions are usually true unless there is a mistake in calculation. The movement of the heavenly bodies follows well-defined laws and principles, hence there is hardly any chance of a wrong prediction.

On the other hand to predict future events with a belief that only the stars and heavenly bodies (without any Divine will) govern them is Haraam and a kind of magic.

The Shaykh has concluded his discussion in Makasib by stating that predictions are of four types:

1.It is not Haraam to predict the future position of heavenly bodies and other phenomena like the solar and the lunar eclipse etc.

It is also permitted to predict an occurrence if it is caused by the influence of the movement of stars or by the heavenly bodies coming near the earth but it must not be considered a phenomenon independent of the Divine will. It should be looked upon as the will of Allah. In other words one should say that 'when the comet etc. passes near Earth such a thing will happen by the permission of Allah.' The stars must not be considered the sole cause of the phenomena. Even if one makes such predictions by experience and without any scientific knowledge; it is allowed. One who has previous experience can predict that it will rain at night when his pet dog comes down from the terrace and comes inside the house, because this had happened before. Hence the past experience enables some to predict a future event.

2.To attribute the future events solely to the influence of heavenly bodies is considered Haraam by all the jurists. Numerous traditions denounce these kinds of predictions.

 

 

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The Holy Prophet (s.a.w.s.) says:

"One who believes an astrologer and soothsayer has disbelieved in whatever was revealed upon Muhammad (s.a.w.s.)."

Imam Ja'far as-Sadiq (a.s.) says:

"Accursed is the astrologer and accursed is the soothsayer and accursed is the magician."

When Amirul Momineen Ali (a.s.) was proceeding for the battle of Nahrawan one of his men who was an expert in astrology restrained him saying, "If you go at this time, I fear that you will not succeed in your aim."

Ali (a.s.) told him that if he thought he could predict the auspicious and the inauspicious times of departure with accuracy, he was in error and said,

"Whoever believes your prediction has denied the Quran." (Because according to Quran success and defeat all are subservient to Divine will). If a person has faith in the astrologer he will not seek Divine help and assistance when the prediction is favourable for him. In this way he will not give Sadqa nor pray for success and will eventually conclude that Allah controls nothing; thus he would become a disbeliever.

If an astronomer predicts with the belief that his predictions are subject to the final will of Allah then there is no harm for one to pray to the Almighty for success when the prediction is good; and in case of an unfavourable prediction invoke Allah for safety.

1) Khwaja Nasiruddin Tusi during one of his journeys stayed for the night at a water mill. The water mill was situated outside the town. Since it was a hot evening the Khwaja decided to sleep in the open. The mill-owner told him that it would rain that night. The Khwaja looked at the sky but could not make out any sign of rain. The mill-owner said, "I have a pet dog who comes down to the house when it is to rain at night." Khwaja did not heed his advice and spent the rainy night in open but he was much amused by the incident.

 

 

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Four types of beliefs

To believe that stars are the supreme controllers of the world is Haraam. A person who has such a belief is a Kafir whether he denies the creator or not. All the jurists are unanimous in this regard.

To believe that the heavenly bodies have been bestowed by Allah the power to control the world is not Kufr but it is a foolish notion because we have no proof that the inanimate stars have any intelligence or will to influence the world.

The third type of belief is when a person admits that the stars have no intelligence and will power but says that Allah has decreed that when the position of the stars will be such, the following event will take place. It is the law of causation like when fire is brought near something it burns it. Though such a belief is proved correct most of the time, reason does not accept it to be unchangeable.

To predict future events on the basis of heavenly occurrences is not Haraam according to most of the scholars. For example if the moon and Saturn come in a line there would be a good rainfall. To interpret such heavenly phenomena is not Haraam but such interpretations can be accurately given only by the Infallibles (a.s.). What the meteorologists predict is based on an incomplete part of this knowledge. Imam Ja'far as-Sadiq (a.s.) remarks:

"The complete knowledge of stars cannot be acquired and incomplete knowledge is of no benefit."

(Wasaelush Shia)

After enumerating the different types of astrological sciences, Shaykh Ansari says, "All these traditions imply that whatever the astrologers predict is based on deficient knowledge. They only conjecture and guess on the basis of a little knowhow. People who consult them are rarely satisfied by their predictions but it is possible that he may have experience regarding a particular event and may make an accurate prediction. Hence it is better to refrain from consulting such people and if they make a prediction, one should say, 'It is only a possibility.'"

 

 

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The prediction did not materialise

The deficiency and inaccuracy of astrological predictions can be gauged from the doubts and wrong predictions of the astrologers. The books of history are replete with such examples. In the second volume of Tatmatal Muntahi it is mentioned that in 582 A.H. seven stars came together in one constellation. Abul Fazl Khwarizmi and other astronomers gave the prediction that the whole world will be destroyed in a cyclone. The people took shelter in the caves and protective spots and also stored their rations to escape the fury of the cyclone. At last the predicted date of 9th of Jamadi ul Aakhar arrived but there was no sign of any cyclone. Not even a soft wind blew. People lit candles and they burnt without even being blown out by a breeze. The poets jumped to the amusing occasion and composed couplets on this incident.

A few years ago there was a similar threat that had the people of the whole world worried. It was predicted that the whole earth would be shaken due to the impact of the collision of a meteor. Some people dived underwater to escape the shock but nothing happened at the appointed time. (The meteor missed the earth by thousands of miles

 

http://www.najaf.org/english/book/37/32.htm

[rafidhi1986]

Thug Life,

Nahjul Balagha Sermon#78

I read in the sharh of nahjul balagha that a diviner came to Ali(as) and told him not to fight on such and such day due to the star alignment.(this battle was Nahrwan). Ali then asked him what star alignment makes cats and camels come together for mating. The diviner said he didn't know. Then Ali asked him what was under his horses hoof(Ali was siting on horse). The diviner had no answer so Ali told him that a jar of gold was there. Ali had his men dig and they pulled out the said item. And Ali rebuked such. Falsehood.

This can be referred to the lady on Dr. Phil that was blonde haired numbers lady that was sometimes correct and sometimes not. Astrology is a science that deals with obsessive patterns but a lot of it is mere guess work. The typical art of the charlatan!

Now what I meant about playing with jinn. And this can be referred to the woman on the video who was "most impressive". Her name was Rebecca. She is a center for jinn. They can tell her things such as nicknames of husband and tattoo on ladies chest etc...the jinn have the ability to inform her of present things. Jinn since they have been seperated from us during the time of Noah have an infactuation with trying to communicate with us. She is mereley their slave.

Future reading of probably the worst Nasibi ever; Abu Hamid Ibn Taymiyyah has a collection in his fatawa about jinn. Best and most intristic I have seen yet..

[rafidhi1986]

Salam

 

Can you be more specific?

 

 

Thuglife I posted a response on this thread adressed to you

 

Salam

 

I remember a video of Ammar Nakshawani saying something along the lines of -- about people who looked at the stars to predict the future or know the best time to do something --  if Allah swt has made a science out of this, where He has put forth a way for people to know a good or bad time to do something, then it is allowed (I'm roughly quoting as it was a long time ago I saw it). I might be forgetting what exactly makes it halaal, but I def recall him saying that it can be halaal (if it meets a certain criteria). Whether this numerology or "psychic" skills is halaal or not, I don't know. In the video they talk about the loved one being in heaven.

 

Can we have someone chime in with words from their marja or some respectable source?

[Northwest]

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Regarding the cause of eclipses the Talmud says,34 “On account of four things the sun is stricken: if the head of the rabbinical court dies and is not properly eulogized, etc. On account of four things the luminaries are smitten: on account of writers of forged documents, etc.” In other words, eclipses are related to people’s actions.

There is a famous question: The fact that the ‘luminaries are stricken’, i.e., that the sun and the moon become eclipsed, is a matter fixed in the nature of the cosmos, occurring at set intervals. In fact, one can even calculate in advance when it will occur. So how can we say that it happens as a result of human failings when it is really an unavoidable fact of nature?35

Over the course of time, certain people have used this “question” as “proof” that not everything the Sages said is correct.36 Thus, they excused and justified their own behavior, i.e., their decision not to fulfill Torah and Mitzvot.

The truth is, however, that one’s lack of Torah observance is not really because of his “intellectual questions”; it is rather because of the “appetite” of his emotions. The questions are no more than excuses to justify his improper behavior. That is why he can be comforted even with such a “question” that can be completely dispelled with even a little thought.

Solar and lunar eclipses (and failings) come as a result of the eclipses (and failings) in the behavior of heathens and Jews, respectively.

Thus, it is obvious that when Jews are behaving properly, there should not be any lunar eclipse at all (and not just that if there is one it would not be seen).

Source

Is there any similar belief in (Shia) Islam that links solar and/or lunar eclipses to human behaviour?