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Debate On Ghadeer - Invitation To Shia

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This is an invitation to knowledgeable members of Shiachat or any other Shia website to debate brother Hani on the topic of Ghadeer. 

 

Once invitation is accepted, further debate details will be provided. 

 

Debate Venue: Popeye's Chicken

 

P.S. There was already a debate (any shia can continue that debate) about the succession of Prophet (saw) but the Shia debater disappeared and it has been more than a week since his last reply. 

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This is an invitation to knowledgeable members of Shiachat or any other Shia website to debate brother Hani on the topic of Ghadeer. 

 

 

I am not that knowledgeable, but I will have a conversation with you or Br. Hani, if you or he can answer the following question in order and in its entirety: Because if basics are not clear or agreed upon, debates on secondary topics are just a waste of time. Primary topic is the Prophet Muhammad (pbuhahp), with out clear understanding, one can't understand Imamat. As the Prophet Muhammad(pbuhahp) was the recipient of the divine revelation. Imams did not issue any new laws, or concepts, they were the custodians and proctors of the message of Prophet Muhammad(pbuhahp). All the Imams wanted to do was/is to ensure you and I understand the Messenger (pbuhahp) and his message. If a human can't do justice to the most sublime/ honorable creation of Allah(swt), (per Quran) they have no ability to do justice to themselevs or anyone else.

 

1 ) Are you a Muslims (Y/N)

2) Four school of sunni thoughts: Which one- if none of the four - which one-name will suffice.

3) Are you a Quranist?(Y/N)

 

4) Is Prophet Muhammad(pbuhahp): Infallible (no error/no sin/no mistake): (Y/N)

      If no, explain your understanding.

 

5) Was the Quran compiled during the lifetime of the Prophet Muhammad(pbuhahp): (Y/N)

    5a) If No why not and when was it compiled and by whom?

 

6) Did the Prophet Muhammad(pbhahp) announce a successor:(Y/N)

  6a) If no, did he gave direction as to which method should be used to select one:(Y/N)

   If 6a is yes, which method.

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@Abul Hussain Hassani

 

Here is a suggestion, you or Br. Hani may be concerned with fews things. Why don’t you request to have the debate moderated here, you or he can suggest a topic- more knowledgeable members might take him or you on the offer, restrict it to the member who accepted the debate so it don’t get too messy by everyone contributing to it, agree on a set of rule to govern the debate.

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This is an invitation to knowledgeable members of Shiachat or any other Shia website to debate brother Hani on the topic of Ghadeer. 

 

Once invitation is accepted, further debate details will be provided. 

 

Debate Venue: www.forum.twelvershia.net

 

P.S. There was already a debate (any shia can continue that debate) about the succession of Prophet (saw) but the Shia debater disappeared and it has been more than a week since his last reply. 

 

Why do not you open a thread here and ask br hani to join it? 

Why some one should go to nasibi website? I do not understand your intentions br.

 

Regards

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Brothers, brother Hani has replied to your comments here:

 

http://forum.twelvershia.net/imamah-ghaybah/debate-on-ghadeer-between-sunni-shia/ 

 

I request the brothers to please stay on topic. It is sad to see people derailing the thread. The aim of the debate is that both parties benefit.

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LOL You must be crazy to think we will go to another website (wahabi) just to check the guys comments. If he is lazy enough to request a debate and make us go on his website to check his comments, and discuss the debate there, then the debate all ready is pointless and will be pointless.

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LOL You must be crazy to think we will go to another website (wahabi) just to check the guys comments. If he is lazy enough to request a debate and make us go on his website to check his comments, and discuss the debate there, then the debate all ready is pointless and will be pointless.

I've seen you always turn to sarcasm when any challenge is offered. Either accept the challenge or keep your sarcasm tucked away.

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Brothers, brother Hani has replied to your comments here:

 

http:/forum.twelvershia.net/imamah-ghaybah/debate-on-ghadeer-between-sunni-shia/ 

 

I request the brothers to please stay on topic. It is sad to see people derailing the thread. The aim of the debate is that both parties benefit.

 

There was a problem with posting earlier. It didn't show my full post. 

 

I've seen you always turn to sarcasm when any challenge is offered. Either accept the challenge or keep your sarcasm tucked away.

 

Totally agree with you. Thank you brother. 

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It's also funny that the man keeps replying to posts made on ShiaChat but only on his forum, why would anyone engage in a thread the man already derailed by caring more about what Shias thought about him rather than the subject at hand. Reminds me of the Christians and Muslims who forever argue on various forums and chat rooms.

Here is a list of things to do rather than engage in that debate

- Read Qur'an

- Read a book

- Watch a movie

- Spend time with family

- Pray, make dua, meditate

- Watch paint dry

- Etc.

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Totally agree with you. Thank you brother. 

 

You're welcome bro

 

you see how friendly and secure  you Sunni brothers could talk with each other in a Shia forum!!

so let Hani know to feel relax entering a Shai forum. help him dare to register here if he has any sort of reasoning to share with us!!

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They've commentary running there.

Comment here and it's replied there.

First sign of why someone shouldn't engage with a person who's obstinate to even not agree to venue, sends messengers to invite, teaches internet is just a click but practices not, fears preconditions by calling them off topic and projects rejections as fears to intimidate. Nice try!

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This is exactly what happens everytime Shia brothers are challenged by brother hani excuses such as tell him to come to this forum, oh he's a troll, oh like pure ethics says just a simple "lol"...GET....A....GRIP. Either accept the challenge or don't comment on this thread at all. Your sarcasm and weak excuses are not needed... Thankyou and have a great day

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This is exactly what happens everytime Shia brothers are challenged by brother hani excuses such as tell him to come to this forum, oh he's a troll, oh like pure ethics says just a simple "lol"...GET....A....GRIP. Either accept the challenge or don't comment on this thread at all. Your sarcasm and weak excuses are not needed... Thankyou and have a great day

Muddai sust, gavah chust

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This is exactly what happens everytime Shia brothers are challenged by brother hani excuses such as tell him to come to this forum, oh he's a troll, oh like pure ethics says just a simple "lol"...GET....A....GRIP. Either accept the challenge or don't comment on this thread at all. Your sarcasm and weak excuses are not needed... Thankyou and have a great day

 

 

See the list I made for better things to do than to get offended that Shias or anyone else don't want to waste their time to 'challenges' as though this nothing more than a crusade against this forum or the people in it. The man is rude anyway, trying to provoke people by quoting them on the opposing forum rather than simply asking questions here. This isn't how Muslims should act nor debate rendering the debate useless to anyone who engages in it except to satisfy the intellectually cannibalistic urges of the members of that forum that wish turn Islam into a football match.

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I already invited all sunnis to a debate on the topic of saqifa.

Then let's talk about saqifa what seems to be the problem? It's highly likely that your saqifa topic will lead to ghadir topic anyway :wacko: but ok go on I want to hear your saqifa argument

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What makes saqifa legitimate?

An ambiguous verse?

Why everyone rushed to it? Why did they leave the body of their beloved Prophet (s)?

Why some sahaba including Amir al-Mu'minin refused to give allegiance?

Why the second caliph stoped Prophet (s) from writing his final will which would have saved the Umma from Misguidance?

Why some people refused to obey the Prophet (s) and join the army of Usama?

Why the second caliph threatened people not to spread the news of the death of the Prophet (s)

Yes these are all related to saqifa

P.s. it is highly justifiable to hate the guy who stopped my beloved Prophet (s) from writing his final will to save his Umma from later misguidances, and accused the messager of Allah of being delirious! And that's in the most authentic book after the Holy Qur'an.

You don't need to worry about Ghadeer, there are giant ambiguities in your own saqifa.

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@ Brothers who are saying why not hold the debate here. 
 
I don't think the moderators of this forum are interested to moderate a debate. Last time brother Farid even accepted to debate here the issue of Tahrif Quran but the thread was locked and closed.  On that forum they have a whole section for debates only. 
 
Messages of brother Hani:

 

 

 

Okay how about you write on your forum and we write on our forum? We'll have two threads, each on a forum, you write there and I'll write here.


I accept if you do.

 

 

 

 

We decided not to waste too much time, we've already presented a middle solution, no reply until this moment, so we say:


THE DEBATE CHALLENGE WILL EXPIRE IN 48 HOURS

 

 
 
 

Just a way to advertise their website - no need to feed the trolls.

 

The aim of the debate is that both parties benefit. 

 

 

What makes saqifa legitimate?
An ambiguous verse?
Why everyone rushed to it? Why did they leave the body of their beloved Prophet (s)?
Why some sahaba including Amir al-Mu'minin refused to give allegiance?
Why the second caliph stoped Prophet (s) from writing his final will which would have saved the Umma from Misguidance?
Why some people refused to obey the Prophet (s) and join the army of Usama?
Why the second caliph threatened people not to spread the news of the death of the Prophet (s)
Yes these are all related to saqifa
P.s. it is highly justifiable to hate the guy who stopped my beloved Prophet (s) from writing his final will to save his Umma from later misguidances, and accused the messager of Allah of being delirious! And that's in the most authentic book after the Holy Qur'an.

You don't need to worry about Ghadeer, there are giant ambiguities in your own saqifa.

 

Please don't derail the thread. Debate somewhere else, not here. 

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Too much complaining in the comment section. You don't need to get into personal feuds with Hani or [their stupid website], if you don't wanna debate don't comment here about how bad they are, that's changing the topic of the thread.

- From a Shee`ah Muslim.

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(bismillah)
(salam)
 
@ Brothers who are saying why not hold the debate here. 
 
I don't think the moderators of this forum are interested to moderate a debate. Last time brother Farid even accepted to debate here the issue of Tahrif Quran but the thread was locked and closed.  On that forum they have a whole section for debates only. 
 
Messages of brother Hani:

 

The aim of the debate is that both parties benefit. 

Please don't derail the thread. Debate somewhere else, not here. 

Very funny! you work as a secretory for @Hani??

Isn't it you except with other name ?

The debates frequently started here and finished with no blocking from moderators except for those offensive talks and this is a nice action prevents bad language toward one another.

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What makes saqifa legitimate?

An ambiguous verse?

Why everyone rushed to it? Why did they leave the body of their beloved Prophet (s)?

Why some sahaba including Amir al-Mu'minin refused to give allegiance?

Why the second caliph stoped Prophet (s) from writing his final will which would have saved the Umma from Misguidance?

Why some people refused to obey the Prophet (s) and join the army of Usama?

Why the second caliph threatened people not to spread the news of the death of the Prophet (s)

Yes these are all related to saqifa

P.s. it is highly justifiable to hate the guy who stopped my beloved Prophet (s) from writing his final will to save his Umma from later misguidances, and accused the messager of Allah of being delirious! And that's in the most authentic book after the Holy Qur'an.

You don't need to worry about Ghadeer, there are giant ambiguities in your own saqifa.

I will open a thread just for you tonight or tomorrow night inshallah the thread will be called "mesbah" see how nice I am I'm opening a thread just for you under your name :p Edited by Wisdom007
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finally I'll be famous!


 

 

Please don't derail the thread. Debate somewhere else, not here. 

 

 

you'd better tell this to your assistant here (@wisdom...) who wanted to start a debate here and said:

 

Then let's talk about saqifa what seems to be the problem? It's highly likely that your saqifa topic will lead to ghadir topic anyway :wacko: but ok go on I want to hear your saqifa argument

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