Advanced Member syeduddin Posted August 5, 2014 Advanced Member Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 After all the warnings and all the clichés about a war that would “spill” over Syria’s border, the savage fighters of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi’s Sunni Muslim “caliphate” have at last arrived in Lebanon.So far, the Lebanese army has lost 13 of its soldiers in a costly battle with rebels to retake the north-eastern Sunni town of Arsal – on the Syrian border and hitherto a resupply base for Islamists trying to overthrow President Bashar al-Assad – while the conflict has generated the same gruesome events which followed Islamist victories in Iraq and Syria: reports of civilian executions, government soldiers taken hostage, at least 12 civilians confirmed dead, including five children, and the prospect of long and bloody fighting ahead. The world’s attention, of course, has been concentrated on the slaughter in Gaza. In the Middle East, tragedy must come one day at a time, so the Syrian civil war and the Isis takeover of western Iraq continued in the shadows of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. But the Islamists’ arrival in Lebanon and the prospect of a mini-civil war around Arsal – and perhaps as far as Tripoli – could have repercussions far graver than the Gaza war. As Islamists take over Lake Mosul and other districts from the Kurds in northern Iraq and press harder against Syrian government troops, their extension into Lebanon marks their furthest progress yet from the Tigris towards the Mediterranean. In Arsal, the fighters – officially from el-Nusra, whose own members are already joining those of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi’s caliphate – adopted their usual practice of seizing large buildings in the centre of the town (in this case, the technical college, a hospital and a mosque) and clinging to them in the hope that their opponents would disintegrate. The Lebanese army, which has twice defeated Islamist rebellions inside Lebanon in the past 15 years, claimed to have retaken the college, but the statements from both the Lebanese commander and Prime Minister may be taken as accurate: that the takeover of Arsal had been planned long in advance and is part of a far greater rebel strategy.The Lebanese army says it has so far killed 50 fighters – a tally that sounds very like the Syrian army’s premature claims of victory on the other side of the border – but government forces in Lebanon are unlikely to fall back. Sunni Muslims make up the larger part of the Lebanese forces whose units are among the best integrated of Middle East armies – and this has never prevented them from attacking and subduing Sunni Muslim rebels in the past, first at Sir el-Diniyeh in the northern mountains in 2000, and then within the Palestinian camp of Nahr el-Bared in 2007, at a cost of almost 500 dead soldiers, fighters and civilians. For more than a year, the Lebanese army has tried vainly to close the frontier east of Arsal, and a Syrian army victory over rebels in Yabroud on the other side of the border earlier this year suggested that Sunni insurgents might leave Arsal lest they be cut off. But their resurgence shows that the Syrians have nothing like the control they have been claiming in the frontier lands. Indeed, the Nusra men had no difficulty in seizing 15 soldiers and almost as many Internal Security Force personnel when they first struck at Arsal. A battle between those Sunni forces opposing the Assad regime in Damascus – who are also responsible for the bombing of Shia targets in Lebanon – and Lebanese troops was almost inevitable. Less than two weeks ago, Lebanese special forces in Tripoli killed Mounzer el-Hassan, a Sunni “jihadist” logistics officer who was reported to have given suicide belts to bombers who attacked Beirut’s Shia southern surburbs and the Iranian embassy in the capital. Those present at the battle said that el-Hassan was playing taped Islamic music as he finally died, when a hand grenade – possibly in his own possession – blew up in his face. His death followed shortly after the capture of Houssam Sabbagh, a Salafist militant who led Sunni militia forces in recent battles against Alwite Shias in Tripoli. Sabbagh, who has fought in Afghanistan, Chechenya and in Iraq against US forces, was one of the few Tripoli leaders who refused to participate in a government “security” plan for the city.there is more to this aritcle : http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-brings-its-war-to-lebanon--and-it-could-be-a-key-part-of-a-masterplan-9648009.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Hassan2jz Posted August 5, 2014 Advanced Member Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 (edited) Good.Let them come. Unlike the pathetic Iraqi army, Hezbollah is strong and well trained. It should be a field day (assuming these rats make it that far forward- which I doubt, as they're struggling in a nation as weak as Iraq). Edited August 5, 2014 by Hassan2jz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veteran Member Ali-F Posted August 5, 2014 Veteran Member Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 Good.Let them come. Unlike the pathetic Iraqi army, Hezbollah is strong and well trained. It should be a field day (assuming these rats make it that far forward- which I doubt, as they're struggling in a nation as weak as Iraq). Please be quiet if you haven't any good thing to say. Iraqi Army pathetic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Hassan2jz Posted August 5, 2014 Advanced Member Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 Please be quiet if you haven't any good thing to say. Iraqi Army pathetic? Prove otherwise? They seem grossly incompetent. They're unable to take back key cities. These are facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShiaHashmi Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 I am so surprise that 4 days have passed but no news is heard in main media till now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veteran Member Ali-F Posted August 5, 2014 Veteran Member Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 Prove otherwise? They seem grossly incompetent. They're unable to take back key cities. These are facts. No, these are not facts. Iraqi Arab Army is currently re-taking different cities. Read the news - it's in there. War is not just attacking a city and then throw a bomb inside it. It's about tactics and thinking wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veteran Member AnaAmmar1 Posted August 5, 2014 Veteran Member Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 first pictures from irsal/lebanon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Hassan2jz Posted August 5, 2014 Advanced Member Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 No, these are not facts. Iraqi Arab Army is currently re-taking different cities. Read the news - it's in there. War is not just attacking a city and then throw a bomb inside it. It's about tactics and thinking wise. Okay.Let's see what happens then. ISIS has had Mosul..what, maybe 2 months now? Let's see how many years they last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sumerian Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 LOL at this guy labeling the Iraqi Army pathetic. The Iraqi Army in the time of Saddam al-Tikriti (l.a) was an army of lions fighting under a bad government.Now the army may have lost many of those warriors from the 80s and 90s, it is still a STRONG army. The only think is they're fighting under a CLUELESS government which is the reason for the takeover anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Hassan2jz Posted August 5, 2014 Advanced Member Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 (edited) LOL at this guy labeling the Iraqi Army pathetic. The Iraqi Army in the time of Saddam al-Tikriti (l.a) was an army of lions fighting under a bad government.Now the army may have lost many of those warriors from the 80s and 90s, it is still a STRONG army. The only think is they're fighting under a CLUELESS government which is the reason for the takeover anyway.Yeah okay, but its 2014 and they're doing a terrible job.I don't see why you're getting so upset? I'm presenting facts, you're presenting history. Why haven't they been able to make a) any significant progress and b: why have they continued to lose ground (in parts)? Furthermore, if they really were a good army, they'd be able to operate autonomously in crisis situations, regardless of how weak the Government is. Plenty of time to prove me wrong, right now you can't though. Edited August 5, 2014 by Hassan2jz Auqab 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member blu115 Posted August 5, 2014 Advanced Member Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 (edited) Yeah okay, but its 2014 and they're doing a terrible job.I don't see why you're getting so upset? I'm presenting facts, you're presenting history. Why haven't they been able to make a) any significant progress and b: why have they continued to lose ground (in parts)? Furthermore, if they really were a good army, they'd be able to operate autonomously in crisis situations, regardless of how weak the Government is. Plenty of time to prove me wrong, right now you can't though.Please don't call an army pathetic when you know that thousands of our shia brethren did their duty and were ultimately martyred for it because of deserting sunni cowards.If anyone's pathetic, it's the people who control the army, and those who made it. Edited August 5, 2014 by blu115 IbnSohan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member IbnSohan Posted August 5, 2014 Advanced Member Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 it is a marathon mina 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member mina Posted August 5, 2014 Advanced Member Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 (edited) IS ist pushed back from Syria, so they are now forced to go to Lebanon but they sell this as if they are expanding.That will be their graveyard inshallah.And Hezbollah is not involved yet but ready if needed alhamdulillah..May Allah destroy these cursed monsters and save the righteous people. Edited August 5, 2014 by mina313 Ligarz and StarryNight 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member StarryNight Posted August 5, 2014 Advanced Member Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 Long live the Fattoush country! Long live Hezbollah! and may the human-waste of ISIS get hell in this life and the hereafter. ChattingwithShias, mina, Al-Hassan and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Ugly Jinn Posted August 6, 2014 Advanced Member Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 Hizbullah would halal rape ISIS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Abu Izrael Posted August 6, 2014 Advanced Member Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 Yeah okay, but its 2014 and they're doing a terrible job.I don't see why you're getting so upset? I'm presenting facts, you're presenting history. Why haven't they been able to make a) any significant progress and b: why have they continued to lose ground (in parts)? Furthermore, if they really were a good army, they'd be able to operate autonomously in crisis situations, regardless of how weak the Government is. Plenty of time to prove me wrong, right now you can't though. 20 years of sanctions, poverty and corruption takes it toll on a people, so calm down. Many of these soldiers are given guns without any training and ordered to the frontlines. I agree with you that it's a weak army, but keep in mind that they haven't had time to train, and the conquering of Mosul, which was the breaking point in this whole conflict, was only caused by traitorous army commanders and governors from the north who had co-operated with ISIS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member sayedamir2000 Posted August 6, 2014 Advanced Member Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 (edited) Good.Let them come. Unlike the pathetic Iraqi army, Hezbollah is strong and well trained. It should be a field day (assuming these rats make it that far forward- which I doubt, as they're struggling in a nation as weak as Iraq). At least they try their best and if you think Iraqi army is pathetic you should go and lead them if you know how. Iraq army have also been deceived by contracts which has been effecting on the progress of current situation. One of those contracts is the arm deal between Iraq - USA about those F-16 fighters. Edited August 6, 2014 by sayedamir2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Abu Hadi Posted August 6, 2014 Moderators Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 (edited) I think this is clearest illustration so far of the nature of this 'Islamic' State. While the Zionists were busy slaughtering innocent women and children, instead of fighting the 'kufar' who 'expel muslims from their homes' as it says to do in the Quran, they were busy slaughtering muslim women and children 'This ummah of yours is one ummah', again Holy Quran. They were literally right next door to Gaza and could have easily helped the muslims against the kufar, but they didn't do anything. It shows that there is nothing 'Islamic' about the Islamic State. They are against Quran and are fighting hand and glove alongside the Zionists. Edited August 6, 2014 by Abu Hadi Murteza, Hassan2jz, HamzaTR and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member JSAli Posted August 6, 2014 Advanced Member Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 The disappointing thing for me is that, right here in my country where it is relatively peaceful, there are people walking around boldly with shirts that has the ISIS emblem on the back of it. They have so much support it is SCARY... IbnSohan, mina and hasanhh 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member blu115 Posted August 6, 2014 Advanced Member Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 The disappointing thing for me is that, right here in my country where it is relatively peaceful, there are people walking around boldly with shirts that has the ISIS emblem on the back of it. They have so much support it is SCARY...Where do you live? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member JSAli Posted August 6, 2014 Advanced Member Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 Where do you live?Trinidad....yes nowhere near the ISIS region but there's is still cause for concern because the hate for the Shi'a is growing rapidly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member IbnSohan Posted August 6, 2014 Advanced Member Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 ^It is growing also in Mexico , isn't it?Semms like the next ISIS target :South America! Pretty women, pretty weather and many poor non white Christians to slaughter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member JSAli Posted August 6, 2014 Advanced Member Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 I have no idea about Mexico or Latin America, bro. What makes you suggest that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member shreek Posted August 6, 2014 Advanced Member Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 ISIS is labelled a terrorist entity and is banned in Australia, surprised the world hasn't followed suit (I.e Trinidad). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member syeduddin Posted August 6, 2014 Author Advanced Member Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 Trinidad....yes nowhere near the ISIS region but there's is still cause for concern because the hate for the Shi'a is growing rapidly These guys are spreading like a damn disease, i have heard from my fiance's relative that there are a couple of supporters of these fools in Jamaica as well, shocking. JSAli 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member sayedamir2000 Posted August 7, 2014 Advanced Member Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 From Finland there went over 40 people from 16 different countries to support ISIS. ISIS should be banned from every country in the world, should put all sanctions against them. hasanhh and mina 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Hashmi Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 They would have intered in palestine rather than lebanon, wrong entry can become ground-0 ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member HamzaTR Posted August 7, 2014 Advanced Member Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 ISIL Withdraws from Arsal, Seven Lebanese Troops Freed http://www.almanar.com.lb/english/adetails.php?eid=164404&cid=23&fromval=1&frid=23&seccatid=14&s1=1 AnaAmmar1, syeduddin and mina 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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