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One could add many more things, for example, the use of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as a source on matters Jewish. But what is going on here is much more than a variety of hateful sentiments. The consistent pattern is this: the document I just quoted from has on the cover “Greetings from the Cultural Attaché of the Saudi Embassy” here in Washington, D.C. That is who distributed this material, or at least that is who has their stamp on it. The number of Muslims who may be affected by these views would be comparably small because that particular document was in Arabic, which of course most American Muslims don’t speak.


But it is an ideology that divides the world into the realm of Islam and the realm of the infidel, or the realm of war. So it trains the readers that they live behind enemy lines – they must be passing through, they cannot take abode here. You only have two reasons for being in the land of the infidel. One is to convert people to Islam. The second is to acquire either money or skill which you can bring back with you to help you and others engage in jihad, and in this context, it is quite clear that they mean that in a military sense, because they go on to talk about tanks and bullets, and things of this kind. One of the things you certainly cannot do is become an American citizen, because no Muslim can be ruled an infidel.


That is the particular ideology which is being taught. You must not have any good contacts, warm relations with anybody – not only with unbelievers, but with any Muslim who is not of the Wahhabi type; they are also often denounced as apostates. That is the major theme of concern in that report.


http://www.pewforum.org/2005/05/03/the-global-spread-of-wahhabi-islam-how-great-a-threat/


 


 


I think there’s another aspect to this that is difficult; Saudi Arabia made $160 billion last year [2005] exporting oil; they give several billion per year to the Wahhabis, an Islamist sect that controls religion and education in Saudi Arabia, and other Wahhabi institutions in other parts of the world such as Pakistan. Those madrassas, for instance in Pakistan, teach Pakistani children to hate Shiites, Jews, Christians, anyone who can be counted as an infidel. Depending on the Imam, some of the things they say, particularly about [Edited Out]es, Jews, and homosexuals and apostates are essentially genocidal. That is really al Qaeda’s ideology as well. The Wahhabis and al Qaeda disagree about the legitimacy of the Saudi regime so they’re bitter enemies. But the underlying beliefs that are being taught around the world in those Wahhabi institutions are essentially al Qaeda beliefs. The result of is that the war on terror is the only war the United States has fought, with the obvious exception of the civil war, in which we pay for both sides. This is not a good plan. This current year we will borrow something on the order of $320 billion dollars, nearly a billion dollars a day, to import oil. Because a share of that does go to Wahhabi institutions around the world, I think it’s fair to say we are in a situation similar to the stated in the old comic strip Pogo, "I’ve met the enemy, and he is us."


http://www.wfs.org/futintervja07.htm


 


 


For further reading:


http://www.islamdaily.org/en/wahabism/page=9/


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(bismillah)

 

(salam)

 

If you look at history, the clan of  raiders and thieves sought legitimacy  for their actions through the creed of a devient, to justify their  plundering life, women and wealth in the name of the religion.

 

The enemies of Islam embraced this clan, raised its status in the world, protected it - in order to corrupt Islam from within, and destroy its image in the world.

These, heinous crimes that are committed by the followers of this creed, do they invite people to Islam ?

 

(wasalam)

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(bismillah)

 

(salam)

 

If you look at history, the clan of  raiders and thieves sought legitimacy  for their actions through the creed of a devient, to justify their  plundering life, women and wealth in the name of the religion.

 

The enemies of Islam embraced this clan, raised its status in the world, protected it - in order to corrupt Islam from within, and destroy its image in the world.

These, heinous crimes that are committed by the followers of this creed, do they invite people to Islam ?

 

(wasalam)

True.

If you are a close observer to this clan attitude, you shall notice that their beliefs are not constant. They call for fighting infidels then they go about killing Muslims. They cry against have allegiance with infidels in one country and produce fatwas for Sultans in another country to make such allegiance a part of Imaan.

They change their color so often. They may look brutal in their mercenary group but they are also showing great peaceful attitude in their Zakat and charities group.

The only constant belief in their decree is their worship of money and power. Their politicians, their Muslim brotherhood followers, their moderate Islam followers (Tariq Sawidan etc), their Gov officials, their simple clerics in small local mosques, their academics and their women. All of them despite their disagreement between each other are money and power seeker.

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MashaAllah, this is a great article. Many of my friends are Sunni's who claim to be Salafi, and they really have no idea as to what the origin of their ideology stems from. I try to explain, but they don't really listen to me about it.

 

It is very refreshing to see that there are Sunni's out there that don't subscribe to this Wahabbi garbage. It is also interesting that it was written from a Sunni point of view.  All of the Sunnis I have met here in the USA have seemed to be Salafis.

 

JazzakAllah khair for the post, worth the read everyone!

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Wahhabis were created by a british agent known as Hempher

I am aware of that theory but I wanted to bring to light their ideology and epistemology. Khawarij were a very critical point in Islamic history, they were warned against by prophet as a sign of the End of Days. Their defeat was not on anyones hands but on Imam's Ali hands which makes us think of how dangerous their ideology is. Remember that Quran teaches us that religion should be revealed and explained to people over an extended period of time. The fitnah of khawarij was very important mile stone in Quranic revelation to people in practical way. 

Many thought that by memorizing Quran, being strict in laws and being a very practicing Muslim shall make one self righteous.

This misunderstanding of how religion works is important for the newly growing Muslim community in the west. Many of them are very skeptical about the sects that are existing in the Islamic world due to the nature of Middle east political conflict. They go back to Quran and hadith and try to understand things themselves. They start to criticize Muslims around the world for not being strongly adherent to the Sunnah. They memorize Quran, stick to Islamic laws and perform the rituals. Then you find them joining ISIS.

 

The blurry scene of ME political conflict is no worse than the blurred scene of the Quraish conflict. The wife of the prophet was fighting the cousin of the prophet. For some people who don't like politics and think that religion should be pure from these conflicts, both camps (Imam Ali and Ayisha camp) were wrong.

 

The trials - divine trials- are often repeated and often people will repeat the mistakes. In Surat Kahf we read

Indeed, We have made that which is on the earth adornment for it that We may test them [as to] which of them is best in deed.

 

Then Quran asks the prophet :

Or have you thought that the companions of the cave and the inscription were, among Our signs, a wonder?

 One of the commentators said that the answer to this Question is :No. The story of Ahlul Kahf is not more wondrous than the often repeated trials of nations through out history, yet, through out history many people failed in the test.

 

Some circumstances might be changed a little bit, just reflect on this verse :

He said, "Disguise for her her throne; we will see whether she will be guided [to truth] or will be of those who is not guided."
 
 
Prophet Musa disguised  Balqis throne to test her mindfulness and readiness to be guided. This is similar to the divine tests on earth to many nations. Although we read the history of previous nations but we keep falling in the same mistakes over and over again because of our inability to distinguish the essential from the circumstantial.
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Other than the neo khawarij title that the Wahhabis have earned, they are also called Mujasimmah due to them ascribing body parts to Allah (Body = Jism, Mujassimmah= ascribing body parts)

 

They are also called Hashawyyiah

 

 

 

 

THE HASHWIYYA, MUJASSIMA, AND MUSHABBIHA

 

http://www.sunnah.org/aqida/alashaira5.htm

Ibn `Asakir states in Tabyin Kadhib al-Muftari (p. 150-151): "The Hashwiyya and Mujassima said that Allah is materialized (hallun) over the Throne, that the Throne is His place, and that He sits on it.. . . The Mushabbiha and Hashwiyya said: Descent is the descent of His person (dhat) together with movement (haraka) and displacement (intiqal), and istiwa' is [His] sitting on the Throne and indwelling on top of it."

In his Sharh Mukhtasar Ibn al-Hajib al-Subki describes them thus:

The Hashwiyya are a group who deviated from the right path in their blindness. They take Allah's verses purely in their literal sense (yujrun ayat Allah `ala zahiriha), believing that is their intended meaning (murad). They were named thus because Hasan al-Basri found some of them in his circle (halqa) holding unseemly speech, so he ordered for them to be moved to the bowels or belly (hasha) of the circle. In that sense they are the hashawiyya or 'Visceralists.' It was also said that they were named thus because they are among, or actually are, the mujassima -- those who ascribe a body to Allah. In that sense they are associated to 'stuffing' (hashw) and are called the Hashwiyya or 'Crammers.'[22]

Of note in relation to the above literal elucidations of the name Hashwiyya is the explanation of the divine Attribute al-Samad, "The Everlasting Sovereign" given by several imams of tafsir and major Tabi`in as al-ladhi la jawfa lahu or "He who does not possess an inside."[23] This meaning is mentioned by Bayhaqi.[24]

Al-Zabidi (d. 1205) in Taj al-`Arus identifies the Hashwiyya merely as "a group of innovators." Al-Munawi in his commentary on the hadith: "The angels do not enter a house in which there is a dog" in Fayd al-Qadir said: "One who takes externals exclusively is a Hashwi, and one who takes secret meanings exclusively is a Batini (esotericist)." While Ibn Qutayba (d. 276) in his Mukhtalif al-Hadith (1326H ed. p. 96) states of the scholars of hadith who collect narrations without pausing to understand what they write: "Some have called them the Hashwiyya." He avers that there is no mention of that term in the hadith, however, it is narrated from Sahl ibn Sa`d al-Sa`idi by al-Tabarani in al-Awsat that the Prophet said: "Every Community has its Zoroastrians, and every Community has its Jews, and every Community has its Christians. The Zoroastrians of my Community are the Qadariyya, its Christians are the Hashwiyya, and its Jews are the Murji'a."[25]

Taj al-Din al-Subki assimilates them to those who declare dialectic theology (kalam) an innovation and base belief on imitation (taqlEEd).[26] He quotes Ibn Jahbal's (d. 733) observation: "That party does not deem sufficient the belief (uEEman) of people except if they believe that Allah lies in a specific direction (jiha)."[27]

Al-Subki also relates that the Hashwiyya, unable to answer Imam Fakhr al-Din al-Razi's (d. 606) arguments against them, resorted to writing ugly remarks and insinuations on s[Edited Out]s of paper and attaching them to the pulpit from which he gave the Friday sermon. He arrived one day and read one of these, and then spoke to those present in an impassioned voice, saying:

This piece of paper says that my son does such and such. If it is true, he is but a youth and I hope he will repent. It also says that my wife does such and such. If it is true, she is a faithless woman. And it says that my servant does such and such. Servants are wont to commit every wrong, except for those Allah protects. But on none of these s[Edited Out]s of paper -- and may Allah be praised! -- is it written that my son says Allah is a corporeal body, or that he likens Him to created things, or that my wife believes that, or my servant -- So which of the two groups is closer to guidance?"[28]

The following two doctrines are also related from the Hashwiyya:

Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã According to some of the Hashwiyya, the Prophet was a disbeliever (kafir) before his prophethood on the basis of the verses: "Did He not find you wandering and direct you?" (93:7), "Before this, you were among the heedless" (12:3), and "You knew not what the Scripture was, nor what was the Faith" (42:52). This is stated in Fakhr al-Din al-Razi's al-Tafsir al-Kabir under the verses cited. Their claim was rejected by the scholars as there is consensus, apart from the Hashwiyya, whereby the Prophet was made immune to sin (ma`sum) both before and after prophethood in the light of the verse "Your companion errs not, nor is deceived" (53:2).[29] Note that this belief of the Hashwiyya remains a staple of diehard Orientalist historians to the present day.[30]

( B) The Hashwiyya hold, like Jews and Christians, that it is possible for Prophets to intentionally commit all sorts of major and minor sins after prophethood. Some of them specified "openly," others, "secretly."[31] This claim was also rejected by the vast majority of the scholars (al-jumhur) on the basis of the consensus of the Predecessors (ijma` al-salaf) whereby it is impossible for Prophets to deliberately commit major sins or contemptible minor ones (al-saghuEEra al-khasuEEsa).[32]

NOTES

[22] As quoted in Hujjiyyat al-Sunna (p. 110). 
[23] This is related with fair (hasan) or sound (sahuEEh) chains by Ibn Abi `Asim in his Kitab al-Sunna from `Ikrima (p. 299 #667), Mujahid (p. 300 #673-675), al-Hasan al-Basri (p. 301 #680), al-Sha`bi (p. 302 #682-683), Sa`id ibn Jubayr (p. 302 #685-686), al-Dahhak ibn Muzahim (p. 303 #688-689), and with weak chains from Ibn `Abbas (p. 299 # 665) and from the Prophet through Burayda in Tabarani. 
[24] See the section entitled "Allah's Speech" of al-Bayhaqi's al-Asma' wa al-Sifat, translation forthcoming. 
[25] Al-Haythami in Majma` al-Zawa'id said: "Its chain contains Yahya ibn Sabiq who is weak." 
[26] In Tabaqat al-Shafi`iyya al-Kubra (3:421-422). 
[27] Op. cit. (9:39). 
[28] Op. cit. (8:89) as translated by Nuh Ha Mim Keller in Reliance of the Traveller (p. 1046). 
[29] Consensus is reported in Razi's Muhsal Afkar al-Mutaqaddimin wa al-Muta'akhkhirin (p. 160-161) and al-Tafsir al-Kabir (7:506, 8:451-452), Abu Muhammad al-Bataliusi's (d. 521) al-Insaf fi al-Tanbih `ala al-Asbab al-Lati Awjabat al-Ikhtilaf ("Equity in Signalling the Causes Which Necessitate Disagreement") p. 71-74, Muhammad `Abduh's Tafsir Juz' `Amma (p. 110-112), and others such as al-Qadi `Iyad (d. 544) in al-Shifa', al-Qastallani (d. 923) in al-Mawahib al-Laduniyya, and Shaykh Muhammad ibn `Alawi al-Maliki in Muhammad al-Insan al-Kamil ("Muhammad the Perfect Human Being"). 
[30] Cf. F.E. Peters' book on the Prophet and what he named "The Quest for the Historical Muhammad." 
[31] This is reported in al-Razi's `Isma al-Anbiya' ("The Immunity of Prophets" p. 27), al-Sharif al-Murtada's Tanzih al-Anbiya' ("The Sanctification of Prophets" p. 2-3) and in Sharh al-Maqasid (2:142). 
[32] See al-Qadi `Iyad's al-Shifa' (2:137-139), al-Razi's al-Muhassal (p. 161) and `Isma al-Anbiya', al-Iji's (d. 756) al-Mawaqif (p. 359), and Sharh al-Mawaqif (3:205).

 

 

 

 

 

Taqi al-Din al-Subki – ibn Taymiyya and his Followers were from the Deviant Hashwiyya Sect, and they were a Minority Fringe Group who would Teach their Beliefs in Secret

Shaykh al-Islam Taqi al-Din al-Subki (D. 756AH) on ibn Taymiyya and his followers being from the deviant Hashwiyya sect, and that they were a minority fringe group who would teach their beliefs in secret

“As for the Hashwiyya, they are a despicable and ignorant lot who claim to belong to the school of (Imam) Ahmad (ibn Hanbal)… They have corrupted the creed of a few isolated Shafi’is, especially some of the Hadith scholars among them who are lacking in reason… They were held in utmost contempt, and then towards the end of the seventh century (AH) a man appeared who was diligent, intelligent and well-read and did not find a Shaykh to guide him, and he is of their creed and is brazen and dedicated to teaching his ideas… He said that non-eternal attributes can subsist in Allah, and that Allah is ever-acting, and that an infinite chain of events is not impossible either in the past or the future. He split the ranks and cast doubts on the creed of the Muslims and incited dissension amongst them. He did not confine himself to creedal matters of theology, but transgressed the bounds and said that travelling to visit the tomb of the Prophet (sallallahu ‘alaihi wa sallam) is a sin… The scholars agreed to imprison him for a long time, and the Sultan imprisoned him… and he died in prison. Then some of his followers started to promulgate his ideas and teach them to people in secret while keeping quiet in public, and great harm came from this.”

[al-Zabidi, Ithaf al-Sada al-Muttaqin, 2:11. al-Zabidi is quoting from al-Subki's al-Sayf al-Saqil fi al-Radd 'ala ibn Zafil, see al-Rasa-il al-Subkiyya, 84-85]

https://taymiyyun.wordpress.com/2013/02/23/shaykh-al-islam-taqi-al-din-al-subki-on-ibn-taymiyya-and-his-followers-being-from-the-deviant-hashwiyya-sect-and-that-they-were-a-minority-fringe-group-who-would-teach-their-beliefs-in-secret/

 

 

Imam Muhammad al-Shahrastani (D. 548AH) on the Anthropomorphic Creed of ibn Taymiyya and his Likes

QUOTE Article -

Changing Views of ibn Taymiyya by Khaled el-Rouayheb:

For post-classical Sunni theologians, tafwid and ta’wil were the two ways of warding off the literalist interpretations that they attributed to heretical corporealist (mujassima) groups such as the Karramiyya and Hashwiyya. Ibn Taymiyya rejected both options, and it is thus not surprising that a scholar such as Ibn Hajar al-Haytami should have castigated him for having the same heretical views. Already the theologian and heresiographer al-Shahrastani (d.1153) had expressed the view that the origin of all shades of heretical anthropomorphism (tashbih) lay in the insistence on going beyond the tafwid of the salaf:

A group of later people added to what the 
salaf
 have said. They said: It is imperative to keep to the literal sense and to understand it as it appears, without presuming to reinterpret or suspend judgement as regards the literal meaning (
la budda min ijra’iha ‘ala dhahiriha wa-al-qawl bi-tafsiriha kama waradat min ghayr ta’arrud li-al-ta’wil wa la tawaqquf fi al-zahir
). Hence they fell into pure anthropomorphism (
tashbih
). This is contrary to what the 
salaf
 believed.

Muhammad al-Shahrastani, Kitab al-milal wa-al-nihal, ed. by W. Cureton (Leipzig: Otto Harrassowitz, 1923 [reprint of 1846 edition], 64.

https://taymiyyun.wordpress.com/2013/02/09/muhammad-al-shahrastani-on-the-anthropomorphic-creed-of-ibn-taymiyya-and-his-likes/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Refuting the Anthropomorphic Neo Hanabilah

 

INTRODUCTION

by Imam Abd al-Rahman ibnal-Jawzi
Taken from the work Daf ush-Shubah al-Tashbeeh
 
 
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KNOW —MAY Allah, the Exalted, help you— that when I pursued the madh-habof Imam Ahmad, may Allah the Exalted have mercy on him, I found him to be of great stature with respect to the sciences. He excelled in the study of the juridical sciences and the views of the predecessors (Salaf ) to the point that not a single matter arises that he does not have a scriptural reference for or some form of remark to make. However, because he adheres to the approach of the Salaf, he only wrote what they transmitted.Therefore [it was only natural that] I found his madh-hab void of the literary compositions whose kind was numerous amongst those [scholars] who follow a different approach [than him]. So, I wrote some detailed exegeses. Amongst them are: al-Mughni [that exists] in [several] volumes, Zad al-Masir, Tadhkirat al-Arib and others.
Concerning the sciences of hadith [i wrote a number of ] books, among them are: Jami‘ al-Masanid, al-Hada‘iq, Naqi al-Naql and many books regarding al-Jarh wa al-Ta‘dil (the science of weighing positive and negative factors for evaluating the reliability of hadith narrators). I have not found the Hanbalis to have a single commentary in the topic of comparative fiqh except that al-Qadi AbuYa‘la said:“I used to say, ‘what is it with the advocates of the madhhabs that they mention the variance of those who have opposing views but they do not bother to mention the views of Ahmad.’ Then, I forgave them, since we [Hanbalis] do not have a single commentary on fiqh,so, I wrote a commentary for them.”
[in spite of Abu Ya‘la’s attempts] in his commentary, he neither clarified what was  sahih (rigorously authenticated) nor did he express contention with the rejected [sayings]. He also mentioned some irregular analogies, and I witnessed one of our companions delivering a lesson while taking recourse to the commentaries of Istilam, As‘ad, ‘Amili, and Sharif while borrowing things from them [in spite of being unreliable sources].So, I composed some commentaries for them such as: Kitab al-Insaf fi masa‘il alKhilaf (“Impartiality About Matters of Disagreement”); Jannat al-Nazar wa Junnat al-Fatr (“Garden of Contemplation and Armor Against Fissure”) and ‘Umda al-Dala‘il fi Mashhur al-Masa‘il (“Reliance of All Proofs Regardingthe Popular View of All Issues”).Then I deemed it appropriate to gather the hadiths of the commentary (of Qadi Abu Ya‘la) by which the advocates of the different madhhabs present as proof, and I clarified the basis for that which is sound and the point of contention in that which has been contested. I then composed a book about the [H anbali]  madh-hab that incorporated these  hadiths, calling it  al-Baz al-Ashhab al-Munqadd ‘ala Mukhalifi al-Madhhab (“The Flaming Falcon Swooping Down on the Dissenters of the [Hanbali] School”).

 

In the science of the branches of fiqh, I wrote  Kitab al-Mudhhib fi al-Madhhab (“The Gilder Regarding the Madhhab”), Masbuk al-Dhahab (“Moulded Gold”) and  al-Bulgha (“The Means of Subsistence”). In the fundamentals of the religion, I wrote Minhaj al-Wusul ila ‘ilm al-Usul (“The Way of Reaching Knowledge of the Religious Fundamentals”). In total, so far I have written some 250 works.I have observed that some of our companions have written about matters of creed in a way that is not proper.There are three in particular:Abu ‘Abd Allahibn Hamid,  his disciple, Qadi AbuYa‘la, 4 and Ibn al-Zaghuni  who composed books by which they have disgraced the madhhab.They held the attributes ofGod to be subject to human understanding and perception.

They heard that God, Glorified and Exalted be He, created Adam on his image, upon him be blessing and peace.On that basis, they acknowledged for Him an image and a physical form, a face attributable to His essence, two eyes, a mouth, uvulas,molar teeth, and lights for His face which represent His majestic splendor, two hands, fingers, a palm, a little [pinky] finger, a thumb, a chest, a thigh, two shins, and two feet.

[They even went so far as saying]:

“We have not heard any mention of the head.” They [then] said:“It is possible for Him to touch and to be touched, and to bring the slave close to His being.” One of them said: “[...] He breathes.”Then they calm the common people by saying:“[These attributes] are not taken as commonly understood.”

They adopted the literal meanings of the names and ascriptions and called them  attributes—an invented designation, of which they have no evidence, neither from transmitted knowledge of the text, nor reason.They did not carefully consider those texts that divert one’s attention from adopting the literal meanings [of such expressions] to adopting those meanings that must necessarily apply to God, just as [they did not carefully consider] to negate the meanings implied by those literal expressions that are characteristics of finite beings.

They were not satisfied with saying,“[it is] an attribute of action” until they said,“[it is] an attribute of the [Divine] essence [ofGod].” Once they determined those [words] to be attributes, they said,“We do not understand them according to the usages they imply according to language” like hand for ‘blessing’ and ‘power’ and coming/arriving to mean ‘goodness’ and ‘kindness,’ nor shin to mean ‘severity.’” “Rather,” they said, “We hold and understand them according to their well-acknowledged literal meanings,”while the apparent and literal meaning is what is familiar of human characteristics.
But any text [of the Qur’an and Sunna] is only held according to its literal meaning when it is possible and feasible. If something would redirect or negate this being done, it is understood and held according to its figurative understanding. They then become offended when they are accused of likening God to His creation and show harshness towards anyone who says this to them, while in the same breath, insisting,“We are Ahl al-Sunna,” (Upholders of the Prophetic Tradition) although in their statements they are clearly likening God to His creation.

There are some common people that have begun to follow them and I have advised them by saying,“Companions! Brothers! You are the People who adhere to the texts and follow them.This was the example of your Imam, the Greatest Imam,Ahmad ibnHanbal, may God, Exalted be He, have mercy on him, who under pain of torture, proclaimed, ‘How can I say what has not been said before?’” So, take care not to introduce into

his madhhab what does not belong in it.Then, you [three] said about the hadiths [of attributes] “We hold them and understand them according to their apparent meanings,” while the apparent meaning of [this word] ‘the foot’ would be the human limb. This is the same thing as what is said and believed by the Christians,may God, Exalted be He, distance them from His mercy [for saying such], about Jesus, upon him be blessing and peace.

They understand that he is “God’s spirit” and that God, Sanctified and Exalted in Highness, has an attribute known as a spirit that entered into Mary. Whoever says, “He became established with His Divine essence” has made Him, Sanctified and Exalted is He, subject to reality, as we under-stand it.

It should not be neglected by anyone that the principle by which the faith is established is reason,  and it is by way of this [reason] that we came to know and hold God to be Eternal without beginning. If only you had said,“We read the hadiths, and [then] keep silent,” then no one would have objected to [what] you [do]! [but you refuse to abstain from holding the texts and understanding them according to the apparent meaning]  and this behavior is absolutely disgusting and repugnant.

So, do not introduce in the madh-hab of this rightoeus Salafi man what does not belong to it. You have made the madh-hab such a shameful disgrace that when it is said “Hanbali”, it is understood that he is someone who likens Allah to His creation. You have then made your way to be that of bigotry and intolerance, showing fanitical support for Yazid ibn Mu’awiyyah, when you know very well the founder of this madh-hab permitted cursing him. And Abu Muhammad Tamimi used to say about one of your Imaams that “[He] disgraced the madh-hab in a terrible way and it will not be cleansed until the Day of Resurrection”.

http://thewahhabithreat.com/itiqaad/belief-in-Allah/imaam-abdur-rahmaan-ibn-jawzi-al-hanbali-refuting-the-anthropomorphic-neo-hanabilah/

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I don't think Wahabis are extremists. You can visit Saudi Arabia they are not extremists, they are monotheists. They don't blow themselves up killing their own people. Now the allegation that they are funding the extremists, so are shias. Iran is also funding and supporting shia terrorists in Iraq, Syria and elsewhere. Extremists are everywhere among all sects, and religions. Even the Buddhists are terrorists, the way they treat Muslims in Myanmar.

I understand your hatred for Wahabis because they are in the way of your ambitions and plans to hijack the Muslim world.  

 

I hear a lot from shias that Wahabis demolished the shrines of imams and auliya. Well, they did the right thing. They followed the sunnah of Ibrahim a.s.w.s and sunnah of Muhammad a.s.w.s. Both of them broke idols. Both of them were harsh and extremists to the polytheists. If people worship the dead other than Allah in those shrines then this is the duty of believers to eliminate them. And those who find excuses are those who promote polytheism.

 

Extremism is what you guys do in the love of your imams, you exaggerate and cross the limits. Love turns to adore and then worship. Almost half of the sunnis also do the same, they also cross the limits and become polytheists.

 

Actually this is the age of fitnah, almost all the sects are wrong, because they don't call themselves Muslims, they call themselves with different names other than Muslims. They don't follow Quran. Money is the fitnah that has got them astray from the right path. Religion has turned into business, shia, sunni, wahabi scholars are making money using religion and religious personalities. Your zakirs and ayatullas and marjas are becoming richer day by day because they are fooling the masses using the names of Ali and Husain. Same is done by sunni or wahabi mullas, their majority. Modernist mullas are on the pay roll of western countries and pagans. So called Jihadists have become fascists and extremists. True mujahideen are rare, the way true Muslims are rare.

 

People like us fight on our sects when we don't ourselves obey our Lord, when we don't treat other humans well, when we don't ourselves perform our duties and responsibilities. I think if all the mullas who talk about sectarianism and disagreements, who talk about hadith and history but don't don't talk about Quran, die, the Muslim world will become peaceful and then it will be easy for everyone to be guided. 

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I don't think Wahabis are extremists. You can visit Saudi Arabia they are not extremists, they are monotheists. They don't blow themselves up killing their own people. Now the allegation that they are funding the extremists, so are shias. Iran is also funding and supporting shia terrorists in Iraq, Syria and elsewhere. Extremists are everywhere among all sects, and religions. Even the Buddhists are terrorists, the way they treat Muslims in Myanmar.

I understand your hatred for Wahabis because they are in the way of your ambitions and plans to hijack the Muslim world.

I hear a lot from shias that Wahabis demolished the shrines of imams and auliya. Well, they did the right thing. They followed the sunnah of Ibrahim a.s.w.s and sunnah of Muhammad a.s.w.s. Both of them broke idols. Both of them were harsh and extremists to the polytheists. If people worship the dead other than Allah in those shrines then this is the duty of believers to eliminate them. And those who find excuses are those who promote polytheism.

Extremism is what you guys do in the love of your imams, you exaggerate and cross the limits. Love turns to adore and then worship. Almost half of the sunnis also do the same, they also cross the limits and become polytheists.

Actually this is the age of fitnah, almost all the sects are wrong, because they don't call themselves Muslims, they call themselves with different names other than Muslims. They don't follow Quran. Money is the fitnah that has got them astray from the right path. Religion has turned into business, shia, sunni, wahabi scholars are making money using religion and religious personalities. Your zakirs and ayatullas and marjas are becoming richer day by day because they are fooling the masses using the names of Ali and Husain. Same is done by sunni or wahabi mullas, their majority. Modernist mullas are on the pay roll of western countries and pagans. So called Jihadists have become fascists and extremists. True mujahideen are rare, the way true Muslims are rare.

People like us fight on our sects when we don't ourselves obey our Lord, when we don't treat other humans well, when we don't ourselves perform our duties and responsibilities. I think if all the mullas who talk about sectarianism and disagreements, who talk about hadith and history but don't don't talk about Quran, die, the Muslim world will become peaceful and then it will be easy for everyone to be guided.

Could you explain how we worship the graves. (Btw I'm a Sunni)

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I don't think Wahabis are extremists. You can visit Saudi Arabia they are not extremists, they are monotheists. They don't blow themselves up killing their own people. Now the allegation that they are funding the extremists, so are shias. Iran is also funding and supporting shia terrorists in Iraq, Syria and elsewhere. Extremists are everywhere among all sects, and religions. Even the Buddhists are terrorists, the way they treat Muslims in Myanmar.

I understand your hatred for Wahabis because they are in the way of your ambitions and plans to hijack the Muslim world.  

 

I hear a lot from shias that Wahabis demolished the shrines of imams and auliya. Well, they did the right thing. They followed the sunnah of Ibrahim a.s.w.s and sunnah of Muhammad a.s.w.s. Both of them broke idols. Both of them were harsh and extremists to the polytheists. If people worship the dead other than Allah in those shrines then this is the duty of believers to eliminate them. And those who find excuses are those who promote polytheism.

 

Extremism is what you guys do in the love of your imams, you exaggerate and cross the limits. Love turns to adore and then worship. Almost half of the sunnis also do the same, they also cross the limits and become polytheists.

 

Actually this is the age of fitnah, almost all the sects are wrong, because they don't call themselves Muslims, they call themselves with different names other than Muslims. They don't follow Quran. Money is the fitnah that has got them astray from the right path. Religion has turned into business, shia, sunni, wahabi scholars are making money using religion and religious personalities. Your zakirs and ayatullas and marjas are becoming richer day by day because they are fooling the masses using the names of Ali and Husain. Same is done by sunni or wahabi mullas, their majority. Modernist mullas are on the pay roll of western countries and pagans. So called Jihadists have become fascists and extremists. True mujahideen are rare, the way true Muslims are rare.

 

People like us fight on our sects when we don't ourselves obey our Lord, when we don't treat other humans well, when we don't ourselves perform our duties and responsibilities. I think if all the mullas who talk about sectarianism and disagreements, who talk about hadith and history but don't don't talk about Quran, die, the Muslim world will become peaceful and then it will be easy for everyone to be guided. 

Priceless as usual. Thank you for demonstrating for us how your mentality functions.

 

 

I don't think Wahabis are extremists. You can visit Saudi Arabia they are not extremists, they are monotheists. They don't blow themselves up killing their own people.

But of course. It is only halal to kill other people and spare your own.

 

 

I think if all the mullas who talk about sectarianism and disagreements, who talk about hadith and history but don't don't talk about Quran, die, the Muslim world will become peaceful and then it will be easy for everyone to be guided.

So although you are peaceful and do not kill your own people but you wish to eliminate all other scholars from the other sects. Death wishes can translate to death sentences in advanced stages.

 

 

Your zakirs and ayatullas and marjas are becoming richer day by day because they are fooling the masses using the names of Ali and Husain. Same is done by sunni or wahabi mullas, their majority. Modernist mullas are on the pay roll of western countries and pagans.

This is beautiful demonstration of yet another malady of Wahhabi mentality. We have established that they are Khwarij who like to see death eliminating other sects, who believe that only them deserve to live and they are Mujasimmah which is why they have problem with tawassul. Today we shall learn a new world "Rowaibidhah"

This word is used very often by Wahhabis. It is used with projection. They project their own faults on others, there is an arabic proverb that says "each man is seeing others through the eye of his own nature"

 

 

 

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Some Observations about the Salafi/Wahhabi sect

Many of us who are practising Muslims or otherwise, are familiar with the epithet  'Wahhabi'.  The founder of this sect was  Muhammad  ibn Abdal Wahhab (d.  1206 AH), from the Najd area of 'Saudi' Arabia.  He is also known as Shaykh  an-Najdi by his opponents and his  followers have been  labelled as either  'Najdi's'  or  'Wahhabi's'  by the Ahl al-Sunnah.  He  claimed  to be a Hanbali  in Fiqh.  It is well  known that he fully  digested  the aqeedah and ideas of Ibn  Taymiyya.  The scholars  of his time  warned the  Muslims to be on their  guard from accepting his  'reformatory'  ideas; and this work is still  existent among  the  scholars  of the  Ahl  al-Sunnah  even  today.  The  neo- 'Salafi's'  of  today  respect  Ibn  Abdal  Wahhab  quite  highly  by bestowing  upon him such great  titles like 'Shaykh  al-Islam'.  I do not want to say much about his  movement  and  activities,  but a few quotes from three well known scholars should suffice for now. 

 (1) The foremost  Hanafi  scholar of his time, Imam Muhammad Amin ibn Abidin  (d.  1252/1836  Rahimahullah)  said  in his  celebrated  work Hashiyya radd al-Mukhtar (vol.  3, pg.  309):  "In our time Ibn Abdal Wahhab  (Najdi)  appeared,  and  attacked  the two noble  sanctuaries (Makkah and  Madinah).  He claimed to be a Hanbali, but his  thinking was such  that only he alone was a Muslim,  and  everyone  else was a polytheist!  Under this guise, he said that killing the Ahl as-Sunnah was  permissible,  until Allah destroyed them (Wahhabi's) in the year 1233 AH by way of the Muslim army." 

 (2) Shaykh Zayni Dahlan  (Rahimahullah)  said in his book Futuhat al-Islamiyya  (vol.  2, pg.  268):  "The sign of the Khawarij (the first deviant sect that appeared in the time of the Companions)  concerning the  shaving of the head, was not found in the  Khawarij of the past, but only in the Najdi's of our time!" 

 (3) Shaykh al-Islam  Hussain Ahmad al-Madani  (Rahimahullah)  said in his book  ash-Shihab  as-saqib (pg.  42):  "Ibn Abdal Wahhab arose in the  beginning of the  thirteenth  Islamic  century in the Najd.  His thinking  was  false, and his  beliefs  were  corruptional;  on these grounds he opened the way for killing the Ahl as-Sunnah." 

 (4) A more contemporary view on the Wahhabite sect has been expressed by  Abdal-Hakim  Murad in the journal  Islamica (pg.  9):  "Ibn Abdal Wahhab, however, went far beyond this (i.e; of Ibn Taymiyya).  Raised in the wastelands of Najd in Central  Arabia, he had little access to mainstream  Muslim  scholarship  (I say:  This may be disputed by his supporters).  In fact, when his da'wah appeared and became notorious, the scholars and muftis of the day applied to it the famous hadith of Najd:  Ibn Umar  (Allah be pleased  with him)  reported  the  Prophet (Peace  be upon him) as  saying:  "Oh God,  bless us in our  Syria; O God, bless us in our Yemen."  Those  present said:  "And in our Najd, O  Messenger  of God!"  But he said, "O God, bless us in our Syria; O God, bless us in our Yemen."  Those present said, "And in our Najd, O Messenger of God!"  Ibn Umar said that he thought that he said on the third occasion:  "Earthquakes and dissensions (fitnah) are there, and there  shall arise the horn of the devil."  (Sahih  al-Bukhari).  And it is significant that almost uniquely among the lands of Islam, Najd has never produced scholars of any repute. 

 The Najd-based  da'wah of the  Wahhabi's,  however, began to be heard more loudly  following the explosion of Saudi oil wealth.  Many, even most,  Islamic publishing  houses  in  Cairo  and  Beirut  are  now subsidised  by  Wahhabi organisations, which  prevent  them  from publishing  traditional works on Sufism, and remove passages in other works considered unnacceptable to Wahhabist doctrine. 

 The  neo-Kharijite  nature of Wahhabism  makes it  intolerant  of all other  forms  of  Islamic  expression.  However,  because  it  has no coherent fiqh of its own - it rejects the orthodox madhhabs - and has only the most basic and primitively anthropomorphic 'aqidah, it has a fluid,  amoebalike  tendency to produce  divisions  and  subdivisions among  those  who  profess  it.  No  longer  are the  Islamic  groups essentially  united by a consistent  madhhab and the Ash'ari  'aqidah (see later).  Instead, they are all trying to derive the Shari'ah and the 'aqidah from the Qur'an and the Sunnah by themselves.  The result is the appaling state of division and conflict which  disfigures  the modern salafi condition." 

 Another  person who is a reference  for  today's  neo-"Salafi's",  is Muhammad  ibn  Ali  al-Shawkani  (d.  1250/1834).  He  was a  leading scholar of the Zaydi  (Shi'ah)  sect found  mainly in the  Yemen.  He claimed to have departed from his old Shi'ite ways and joined the Ahl al-Sunnah.  He was  attacked  by the  scholars  of his day for saying Taqleed  was  completely  haram, as well as other  important  issues. Some  scholars  had accused  him of still  holding on to his  deviant Zaydiyyah-Mu'tazilite  (rationalistic thinking that was propounded by one of the first deviant sects of Islam)  thinking, while  pretending to be within the fold of orthodox  Sunni Islam; but Allah knows best! It is a  well  known  fact  that  he  denied  the  consensus  of  the Companions (Ijma as-Sahaba), as well as rejecting the validity of the Fatwa of a  Companion!  One may  refer to Anwar  Ahmad  Qadri's  book Islamic Jurisprudence in the Modern World (pg.  142) for a lenghthier discussion. 

 Many  scholars  have  noticed  the  extreme tendencies  within  the "Salafiyya"  sect  around the world, for its lack of respect  for the scholars  of the  four  Madhhabs,  its  Aqeedah  and  some  untenable juristic  positions it has  produced  over a short  period of Islam's history.  The  scholars  have not been afraid of  declaring  the neo- "Salafi's" to be  neo-Kharijites  in their  behaviour and attitude to other Muslims.  Note,  the scholars are  not  saying  that  the neo-"Salafi's"  are  Kharijites, but rather they seem to have certain traits which were only found amongst the Kharijites of the past.  One of  the  most striking things  I  have  noticed amongst these 'neo-Kharijites',  is their  direction  of Qur'anic  verses that were revealed  specifically  for  the  unbelievers,  as  referring  to the believers  who do not seem to have their way of thinking!  This was a well known practise of the Kharijites of old; as we shall see below. 

 A well known scholar of the "Salafiyya",  Dr.  Yusuf  al-Qardawi (who has  himself  been  attacked  by other  members  of the  "Salafiyya", especially for holding some untenable  positions in his book al-Halal wal  Haram fil  Islam)  said in his book  Islamic  awakening  between Rejection and Extremism (pg.  41-3):  "Imam al-Shatibi (Rahimahullah) wrote (in his book  al-I'tisam,  2.  182-4):  'Ibn  Abbas  (Allah  be pleased with him) was right.  When a person knows the reason behind a certain  verse or surah, he knows  how to  interpret  it and what its objectives are.  However, ignorance  of  that  leads people  to misinterpret  it and to have different  opinions,  without an insight and  knowledge  which could lead them to the truth, and prevent  them from indulging ignorantly in such matters with no support or evidence from al Shari'ah,  and  therefore  go astray and lead people  astray. This can be  demonstrated by what is reported by Ibn Wahab from Bakir who asked  Nafi':  What does Ibn Umar  (Allah  be  pleased  with him) think  of  al-Haruriyyah  (i.e;  al-Khawarij  who  were  also  called al-Haruriyyah  after the place -Harawra- where they gathered and were found by Ali ibn Abu Talib and the  Companions  of the  Prophet  [may Allah be pleased with them all] who supported him)?  Nafi'  answered: He thinks they are the most evil of people.  They  applied the verses which pertain to the kuffar on the believers.'  (NB- Imam  al-Bukhari has recorded Ibn Umar as saying in his Sahih [vol.9,  pg.50;  English edn]:  These  people (the  Khawarij  and  heretics ) took some verses that had been revealed  concerning the  disbelievers  and interpreted them as describing the believers ). 

 Al-Qardawi also  said  (pg.  42):  One  of  the causes of  such shallowness  is that  extremists  never  listen  to  people  who hold different views (and I can personally  testify to that), never accept any  dialogue  with them or  imagine  that  their own views  could be tested in the light of others, and may thereby be either  accepted or rejected.  Most of them have not been taught by reliable Muslim ulama who  are  specialised  in  the  field.  Rather,  they  have  received semi-knowledge directly  from  books  and  newspapers  without  any opportunity for revision or discussion which could test the learner's understanding  and analyze the depth of his  knowledge.  They  simply read,  'understand',  then  deduce  what they  wish.  However,  their reading, understanding, and deduction may well be wrong or deficient. There  might be someone  somewhere  who  opposes  their  opinions  on stronger and more valid bases, but they are not aware of that because nobody has drawn their attention to such a possibility.  These devout young  people  have  ignored  the facts that if they want to study al Shari'ah, they must seek the help of reliable Muslim  scholars.  They cannot venture into this extensive and entangled  discipline  without the  guidance of  reliable  Muslim  scholars  who can  interpret  and explain  obscurities,  define terms, and point out the  relationships between the parts and the whole and also equate  similarities.  Those who  venture  into it alone  will  meet  with  the same  catastrophic results  which  could  certainly  befall the  unskilled  swimmer  who ventures  into  dangerous  waters.  Proper  knowledge  of al Shari'ah cannot be  perfected  without  practice  and close  contact  with the experts,  especially in those areas where opinions diverge, evidences seem to contradict  each other, and certain  matters seem to be under suspicion.  This is why our  venerable  'ulama' have warned us not to seek to study and  understand al Qur'an al Karim through a person who has only  memorized it without any knowledge of its contents,  nor to seek knowledge  through a person who has acquired his own "knowledge" from reading  newspapers  and journals  only, without being  properly instructed by reputable and qualified scholars." 

 This topic began with a brief  discussion on Taqleed and I would like to finish with the  following  two  questions for you to ponder over. Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã Would it not be classified as being Taqleed if one were to accept the  classifications  of Hadiths,  exegesis  of the Qur'an  etc; by a renowned  Islamic  scholar, if one was not to go back to the original sources  which are used to  authenticate  the Hadith and so on?  (For example,  if a scholar  claimed  that a Hadith  found in the Sunan of Imam Abu Dawood was Sahih and you  accepted it as being Sahih - since you trust him, then are you not practising  Taqleed; if you, yourself do not go back to the original sources used to classify the Hadith in question,  since  sometimes  a Hadith  classified  to be Sahih by one scholar can be  classified  as being Da'eef by  another!).  ( B) Is it not true that those who are calling for the  abandonment  of Taqleed, are calling for the Taqleed of their own books and  speeches;  hence creating their own little 'Madhhabs

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Could you explain how we worship the graves. (Btw I'm a Sunni)

 

Bro, honestly speaking, so many sunnis worship the graves in shrines of auliya and prophets. Thanks to the Saudi regime they slap in the face of those who try to worship the Prophet Muhammad a.s.w.s at his grave. 

The reason why Saudis didn't demolish the structure over the grave of the Prophet a.s.w.s is because there's hardly any chance of polytheistic activities over there which were / are common at the shrines of shia imams and other Muslim saints. 

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The reason why Saudis didn't demolish the structure over the grave of the Prophet a.s.w.s is because there's hardly any chance of polytheistic activities over there which were / are common at the shrines of shia imams and other Muslim saints.

False. The reason they don't do it is because they are afraid of the backlash from the Muslim ummah.

 

The reason why it has not been demolished:

The scholars have explained the shar’i rulings concerning the building of this dome and its obvious effects on the followers of bid’ah’ who have developed an attachment to this structure and its colour, and they praise and venerate it a great deal in their poetry and writings. Now it is up to the authorities to implement these fatwas, and this is nothing to do with the scholars.

The reason why it is not demolished is so as to ward off fitnah and for fear that it may lead to chaos among the ordinary people and the ignorant. Unfortunately the ordinary people have only reached this level of veneration towards this dome because of the leadership of misguided scholars and imams of innovation. They are the ones who incite the ordinary people against the land of the Two Holy Sanctuaries and its ‘aqeedah and its manhaj. They are very upset about many actions that are in accordance with sharee’ah in our view and contrary to innovation in their view.

Whatever the case, the shar’i ruling is quite clear, and the fact that this dome has not been demolished does not mean that it is permissible to build it or any dome over any grave, no matter what grave it is.

Shaykh Saalih al-‘Usaymi (may Allaah preserve him) said:

The fact that this dome has remained for eight centuries does not mean that it has become permissible, and being silent about it does not indicate approval of it or that it is permissible. Rather the Muslim authorities should remove it and put it back as it was at the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). They should remove the dome and the adornments and engravings that are found in the mosques, above all the Prophet’s Mosque, so long as that will not lead to an even greater fitnah. If it would lead to an even greater fitnah, then the ruler should postpone the matter until he finds an opportunity for that. End quote.

Bida’ al-Quboor, Anwaa’uha wa ahkaamuha (p. 253).

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False. The reason they don't do it is because they are afraid of the backlash from the Muslim ummah.

 

http://islamqa.info/en/110061

 

Well, it's better not to have any structure over the grave of the Prophet a.s.w.s but if there's no act of polytheism over there, then it's alright. And the reason why they didn't demolish the structure is not important, what's important is there shouldn't be any act of shirk over there.

 

Prophet Muhammad a.s.w.s is the blessing for mankind, an ordinary structure over his grave is not what he deserves. He deserves that his Ummah doesn't fall into shirk. 

 

 

And to prove that we do not worship the prophet, lets turn his house in Makkah to public toilet.

 

I bet if the house of Ali in Makkah is turned into public toilet, Lovers will go in there to worship the toilet bowls.

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Well, it's better not to have any structure over the grave of the Prophet a.s.w.s but if there's no act of polytheism over there, then it's alright. And the reason why they didn't demolish the structure is not important, what's important is there shouldn't be any act of shirk over there.

 

Prophet Muhammad a.s.w.s is the blessing for mankind, an ordinary structure over his grave is not what he deserves. He deserves that his Ummah doesn't fall into shirk. 

And to prove that we do not worship the prophet, lets turn his house in Makkah to public toilet.

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Well, it's better not to have any structure over the grave of the Prophet a.s.w.s but if there's no act of polytheism over there, then it's alright. And the reason why they didn't demolish the structure is not important, what's important is there shouldn't be any act of shirk over there.

 

Prophet Muhammad a.s.w.s is the blessing for mankind, an ordinary structure over his grave is not what he deserves. He deserves that his Ummah doesn't fall into shirk. 

 

You might think it's ok, but the Saudi scholars don't, and they would say that the only reason there is no shirk going on is because there are guards put there to stop it.

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Jealously and envy is the real cause here.

 

When you follow the Truth, you will find the right leader.

 

When you follow the political/power graber/usurpers you will lose the Truth.

 

If you do not even know where you're revered leaders are buried, let alone any one desiring to visit their remains, you will be jealous and envious of the ones - millions want to visit and people have given their arms and legs to visit them, look around how many are currently laying down their lives to protect these shrines.

 

When you don’t have anyone who will cry for your leaders, you will be jealous/envious.

 

When you don’t have anyone to hold a gathering for, you will be jealous/envious.

 

When you father was not muslim, you will ensure you fabricate history, regarding father of others so you are on the equal footing.

 

When you did not get the standard ( Alam ) of Islam from the Prophet(pbuhanp) you will be jealous/envious.

Above has  nothing to do with Shirk- its all a smokescreen. Think about all the fatwas, against, graves, Alam, crying for Imam Husain(as), Majlis, etc.. and reasons behind them is jealousy/envy. There mentality is, Others have it we don’t so we will brand it as shirk

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Prophet Muhammad a.s.w.s is the blessing for mankind, an ordinary structure over his grave is not what he deserves. He deserves that his Ummah doesn't fall into shirk. 

 

 

Why don't tel the real reason, At least, In-Laws get a visit. If graves were not important, why bury the in-laws next to the Prophet(pbuhahp), did he leave clear instructions, or was it a Shura (ex-Ahlul Bayth(AS)) decision.

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Bro, honestly speaking, so many sunnis worship the graves in shrines of auliya and prophets. Thanks to the Saudi regime they slap in the face of those who try to worship the Prophet Muhammad a.s.w.s at his grave.

The reason why Saudis didn't demolish the structure over the grave of the Prophet a.s.w.s is because there's hardly any chance of polytheistic activities over there which were / are common at the shrines of shia imams and other Muslim saints.

Brother you havnt told me how we worship the grave(s), you've just repeated your previous claims of grave worshipping. I'm asking how?

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Brother you havnt told me how we worship the grave(s), you've just repeated your previous claims of grave worshipping. I'm asking how?

 

Those of us who go to the shrines and pray to the dead in the name of tawassul. 

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Jealously and envy is the real cause here.

 

When you follow the Truth, you will find the right leader.

 

Shias didn't find a true leader for 24 years since the Prophet a.s.w.s departed from this world. That true leader didn't fight the bigger Satans because they were more powerful than the Imam. So Imam remained patient. And therefore all the fiction about Khaiber and tales of Dulfiqar are lies, to fool the fools. 

 

When you follow the political/power graber/usurpers you will lose the Truth.

 

Following Imam Khomeni was a mistake, he grabbed power from the Shah.

 

If you do not even know where you're revered leaders are buried, let alone any one desiring to visit their remains, you will be jealous and envious of the ones - millions want to visit and people have given their arms and legs to visit them, look around how many are currently laying down their lives to protect these shrines.

 

Hindus are also lucky, they also know where their holy men are buried or burnt, they also visit their remains for barakah, they get Wahabis jealous of them. Shias are also lucky in the same way.

 

When you don’t have anyone who will cry for your leaders, you will be jealous/envious.

 

Like cats cry for their lost kittens. 

 

When you don’t have anyone to hold a gathering for, you will be jealous/envious.

 

Lots of free food in those gatherings, lets go mate.

 

 

When you father was not muslim, you will ensure you fabricate history, regarding father of others so you are on the equal footing.

 

We know Abu Talib was not Muslim.

 

 

When you did not get the standard ( Alam ) of Islam from the Prophet(pbuhanp) you will be jealous/envious.

 

The real alamdar is Imam Ali not Ghazi Abbas, please correct your record.

 

 

Above has  nothing to do with Shirk- its all a smokescreen. Think about all the fatwas, against, graves, Alam, crying for Imam Husain(as), Majlis, etc.. and reasons behind them is jealousy/envy. There mentality is, Others have it we don’t so we will brand it as shirk

 

Calling upon the Prophet and the imams (also referred to as istighathat al-nabi wal-a’immah) is allegorical, not literal. The Noble Qur’an teaches people to worship and seek help from Allah (“iyyaka na‘budu wa iyyaka nasta‘in”); however, the allegorical seeking of help is permitted in the Noble Qur’an. For example, in the story of Prophet Musa (Moses), “And he found there two men fighting—one from his party (Shi‘a), and the other from his foes. The man of his own party asked him (istighathahu) for help against his foe, so Musa struck him with his fist and killed him.”1

 

http://www.al-islam.org/inquiries-about-shia-islam-sayyid-moustafa-al-qazwini/calling-upon-prophet-and-imams-help

 

 

 

 

Please tell al-islam.org that Musa a.s.w.s was alive, and that guy asked a living man (Musa) for help, he didn't ask a dead man or his grave for help.

 

If people call the shirk, tawassul then they should say

 

Ya Toilet Madad, when they want to use toilet, because it's the toilet that helps them,

 

Ya Slippers Madad, as slippers help them walk,

 

Ya Underwear Madad, as it covers their private parts, and so on.

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Shias didn't find a true leader for 24 years since the Prophet a.s.w.s departed from this world. 

Shias were there by their leader from day 1.

 

 

 

That true leader didn't fight the bigger Satans because they were more powerful than the Imam. So Imam remained patient. And therefore all the fiction about Khaiber and tales of Dulfiqar are lies, to fool the fools. 

 The incidents of Khaybar were symbolical feats to establish the superiority of Ali (a.s.)to the rest of sahabas. Allah was making a boast out of him in front of humanity, to cement his preference above others as the sole inheritor of the prophets (s.a.w.s) wilayah.

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Please tell al-islam.org that Musa a.s.w.s was alive, and that guy asked a living man (Musa) for help, he didn't ask a dead man or his grave for help.

 

I assume you haven't read the verse:

 

 وَلاَ تَحْسَبَنَّ الَّذِينَ قُتِلُواْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللّهِ أَمْوَاتاً بَلْ أَحْيَاء عِندَ رَبِّهِمْ يُرْزَقُونَ

 

Think not of those who are slain in Allah's way as dead. Nay, they live, finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord.

 

Not to mention the fact that numerous authentic sunni traditions testify to the use of tawassul.

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And therefore all the fiction about Khaiber and tales of Dulfiqar are lies, to fool the fools. 

 

 

 

 

 Prophet Mohammad (pbuhahp) declared that

 

"Tomorrow I will award the Standard of the Islamic forces to a man who loves Allah  and his Prophet  and Allah  and his Prophet love him. He is the one who attacks forcefully and does not run away from the battlefield and he will not return until Allah grants victory on his hand". Every companion was waiting and wishing to be awarded this honor.

 

 

 

 

The Conquest of Khyber

 

Khyber is a township 90 miles north of Medina, in a harra or volcanic tract, well-watered with many springs issuing forth from its basaltic rocks. It has an excellent irrigation system and produces rich harvests of dates and grain.

 

Long before the time of the Prophet of Islam, the valley of Khyber and other valleys in its north and south, were colonized by the Jews. As noted before, these Jews were not only the best farmers of the country, they were also its leaders in industry and business, and they enjoyed a monopoly of the armaments industry.

 

In the times of the Prophet, the best arsenals of Arabia were all in Khyber. Those Jews who had been banished from Medina, had also resettled in Khyber, and they were noted for their skills in metallurgy.

 

Betty Kelen

 

The Qaynuqa were banished from Medina. Chiefly they were metalworkers, having learned the art of beating out the splendid shining armor, the moon-curved swords and sun-catching helmets that glorified warfare in the desert. They made fine bronze armor, beaten and burnished, with helmets to match and gleaming swords whose swift cut could make the very air whistle. (Muhammad  the Messenger of God)

 

The Jews of Khyber also heard about the Treaty of Hudaybiyya and its terms. Just as the Quraysh in Makkah and Umar bin al-Khattab and some other “hawks” among the Muslims in Medina had interpreted the treaty as the “surrender” of the Muslims, so also did the Jews of Khyber consider it a symptom of the incipient decline of the power of the State of Medina.

 

Banking on this theory of “decline,” they began to instigate the Arab tribes between Khyber and Medina to attack the Muslims. One of these tribes was the Ghatafan, the allies of the Jews of Khyber.

 

They began to send their raiding expeditions into the pastures around Medina. One of these pastures belonged to the Prophet himself. On one occasion, the son of Abu Dharr el-Ghiffari was grazing the camels of the Prophet when the Ghatafan struck. They killed him, and captured his mother who was with him, and they drove with them the herd of camels. The Muslims, however, were able, just in time, to overtake the marauders and to rescue the wife of Abu Dharr el-Ghiffari.

 

Muhammad decided to put an end to these gratuitous provocation. He thought that it would not be prudent to wait until the Jews and their allies laid another siege to Medina, and that it would be better to forestall them. He, therefore, ordered the Muslims to mobilize, and to march on Khyber.

 

In September 628 the Prophet left Medina with 1600 soldiers. Some Muslim women also accompanied the army to work as nurses and to give first aid to the wounded and the sick.

 

Khyber had eight fortresses. The strongest and the most important of them all was the fortress of al-Qamus. The captain of its garrison was a famous champion called Merhab. He had, under his command, the best fighting men of Khyber, and they were the best-equipped soldiers of the time in all Arabia.

 

Muhammad Husayn Haykal

 

The campaign of Khaybar was one of the greatest. The masses of Jews living in Khaybar were the strongest, the richest, and the best equipped for war of all the peoples of Arabia. (The Life of Muhammad, Cairo, 1935)

 

The Muslims, however, were able to capture all the fortresses of Khyber except al-Qamus which proved to be impregnable. Muhammad send Abu Bakr on one occasion, and Umar on another, with hand-picked warriors, to attempt the conquest of al-Qamus. Both made the attempt and both failed. Some other captains also tried to capture the fortress but they also failed. These repeated failures began to undermine the morale of the army.

 

Muhammad realized that something dramatic had to be done to restore the wilting morale of the Muslims, and immediately. And when one more attempt to capture al-Qamus had also aborted, his mind was made up, and he declared: “Tomorrow I shall give the banner of Islam to a hero who loves God and His Apostle, and God and His Apostle love him. He is one who attacks the enemy but does not run, and he will conquer Khyber.”

 

The companions knew that the prediction of the Messenger of God would come true, and that Khyber would be conquered on the following day. Everyone of them, therefore, became a candidate for the glory and honor of conquering it. Many of them were kept awake all night by the ambition to become “the beloved of God and His Apostle,” and to become the hero who would capture Khyber.

 

On the following morning, the companions gathered in front of the tent of the Prophet. Each of them was decked out in martial array, and was vying with others in looking the most impressive figure.

 

Presently, the Messenger of God came out of his tent, and the vast throng began to show signs of restlessness. Each of the companions tried to make himself more conspicuous than others in the hope of catching the eye of the master. But the latter didn't appear to notice any of them and only posed one question: “Where is Ali?”

 

Ali at this time was in his tent. He knew that if he was the “beloved of God and His Apostle,” then he, and no one else would capture the fortress of al-Qamus. The Prophet sent for him.

 

When Ali came, the Prophet solemnly placed the banner of Islam in his hand. He invoked God's blessings upon him, prayed for his victory, and bade him farewell. The young hero then advanced toward the most formidable fortress in all Arabia where the bravest of the Hebrew warriors were awaiting him. He fought against them all, overcame them, and planted the banner of Islam on its main tower.

When the conqueror returned to the camp, the Messenger of God greeted him with smiles, kisses and embraces, and prayed to God to bestow His best rewards upon His lion.

 

Ibn Ishaq

Burayda b. Sufyan b. Farwa al-Aslami told me from his father Sufyan b. Amr b. Al-Akwa: the Apostle sent Abu Bakr with his banner against one of the forts of Khyber. He fought but returned having suffered losses and not taken it. On the morrow he sent Umar and the same thing happened. The Apostle said: “Tomorrow I will give the flag to a man who loves Allah and His Apostle. Allah will conquer it by his means. He is no runaway.” Next day he gave the flag to Ali. (The Life of the Messenger of God)

 

 

Edward Gibbon

North-east of Medina, the ancient and wealthy town of Khyber was the seat of the Jewish power in Arabia: the territory, a fertile spot in the desert, was covered with plantations and cattle, and protected by eight castles, some of which were esteemed of impregnable strength. The forces of Mohammed consisted of 200 horse and 1400 foot: in the succession of eight regular and painful sieges, they were exposed to danger and fatigue, and hunger; and the most undaunted chiefs despaired of the event.

 

The Apostle revived their faith and courage by the example of Ali, on whom he bestowed the surname of theLion of God, perhaps we may believe that a Hebrew champion of gigantic stature was cloven to the chest by his irresistible scimitar; but we cannot praise the modesty of romance, which represents him as tearing from its hinges the gate of a fortress and wielding the ponderous buckler in his left hand (sic). (The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire)

 

Washington Irving

The city of Khyber was strongly defended by outworks, and its citadel, Al-Kamus, built on a steep rock, was deemed impregnable. The siege of this city was the most important enterprise the Moslems had yet undertaken. When Mohammed came in sight of its strong and frowning walls, and its rock-built citadel, he is said to have prayed for Lord's succor in capturing it.

 

The siege of the citadel lasted for some time, and tasked the skill and patience of Mohammed and his troops, as yet little practiced in the attack of fortified places. Mohammed directed the attacks in person; the besiegers protected themselves by trenches, and brought battering-rams to play upon the walls; a breach was at length effected, but for several days every attempt to enter was vigorously repelled.

Abu Bakr at one time led the assault, bearing the standard of the Prophet; but, after fighting with great bravery, was compelled to retreat. The next attack was headed by Omar ibn Khattab, who fought until the close of day with no better success.

 

A third attack was led by Ali, whom Mohammed armed with his own scimitar, called Dhu'l-Fiqar, or the Trenchant. On confiding to his hands the sacred banner, he pronounced him “a man who loved God and His Prophet; and whom God and His Prophet loved; a man who knew not fear, nor ever turned his back upon a foe.”

 

And here it may be well to give a traditional account of the person and character of Ali. He was of the middle height, but robust and square, and of prodigious strength. He had a smiling countenance, exceedingly florid, with a bushy beard. He was distinguished for an amiable disposition, sagacious intellect, and religious zeal, and, from his undaunted courage, was surnamed the Lion of God.

 

Arabian writers dwell with fond exaggeration on the exploits of Khyber, of this their favorite hero. He was clad, they say, in a scarlet vest, over which was buckled a cuirass of steel. Scrambling with his followers up the great heap of stones in front of the breach, he planted the standard on the top, determined never to recede until the citadel was taken. The Jews sallied forth to drive down the assailants.

 

In the conflict which ensued, Ali fought hand to hand with the Jewish commander, Al-Hareth, whom he slew. The brother of the slain advanced to revenge his death. He was of gigantic stature; with a double cuirass, a double turban, wound round a helmet of proof, in front of which sparked an immense diamond.

 

He had a sword girt to each side, and brandished a three-pronged spear, like a trident. The warriors measured each other with the eye, and accosted each other in boasting oriental style. “I,” said the Jew, “am Merhab, armed at all points, and terrible in battle.” “And I am Ali, whom his mother, at his birth, surnamed Al-Haider (the rugged lion).

 

The Moslem writers make short work of the Jewish champion. He made a thrust at Ali with his three pronged lance, but it was dexterously parried; and before he could recover himself, a blow from the scimitar, Dhu'l-Fiqar divided his buckler, passed through the helm of proof, through double turban, and stubborn skull, cleaving his head even to his teeth. His gigantic form fell lifeless to the earth.

 

The Jews now retreated into the citadel, and a general assault took place. In the heat of the action the shield of Ali was severed from his arm, leaving his body exposed; wrenching a gate, however, from its hinges, he used it as a buckler through the remainder of the fight.

Abu Rafe, a servant of Mohammed, testified to the fact: “I afterwards,” says he, “examined this gate in company with seven men and all eight of us attempted in vain to wield it.”

 

(This stupendous feat is recorded by the historian Abul Fida. “Abu Rafe,” observes Gibbon, “was an eye-witness; but who will be witness for Abu Rafe?” We join with the distinguished historian in his doubt yet if we scrupulously question the testimony of an eye-witness, what will become of history?) (The Life of Mohammed)

 

Sir William Muir

The Jews rallied round their chief Kinana and posted themselves in front of the citadel Camuss, resolved on a desperate struggle. After some vain attempts to dislodge them, Mohammed planned a general attack. “I will give the eagle,” he said – the great black eagle – “into the hands of one that loveth the Lord, and His Apostle, even as he is beloved of them; he shall gain the victory. Next morning the flag was placed in Ali's hands, and troops advanced.

 

At this moment, a soldier stepped forth from the Jewish line, and challenged his adversaries to single combat: “I am Merhab,” he cried, “as all Khyber knows, a warrior bristling with arms, when the war fiercely burns.” Then Ali advanced saying: “I am he whom my mother named the Lion; like a lion of the howling wilderness. I weigh my foes in a giant's balance.”

 

The combatants closed, and Ali cleft the head of Merhab in two. The Moslem line now made a general advance, and, after a sharp conflict, drove back the enemy. In this battle, Ali performed great feats of prowess. Having lost his shield, he seized the lintel of a door, which he wielded effectually in its stead. Tradition, in its expansive process, has transformed this extemporized shield into a gigantic beam, and magnified the hero into a second Samson. The victory was decisive, for the Jews lost 93 men; while of the Moslems only 19 were killed throughout the whole campaign. (The Life of Mohammed, London, 1877)

 

R.V.C. Bodley

 

He (Mohammed) began the campaign (of Khyber) by reducing individually the minor strongholds. When this was done, he marched against Al-Kamus, the main fortress of Khaibar. It was a formidable looking place with frowning walls built out of the living rock. All accesses were strongly fortified, and within the ramparts was a well-equipped and well-provisioned garrison.

 

Siege warfare was unfamiliar to these nomads accustomed to desert raiding. However, Mohammed had a number of improvised siege engines put together on the spot. The most effective of these were palm-trunk battering rams which, eventually, made a small breach in the walls.

Into this Abu Bakr led a heroic attack, but he was driven back. Then Omar tried, but while he reached the mouth of the breach, he had to retire, losing most of his men. Finally, Ali went up against the wall, bearing the black standard. As he charged, he chanted: “I am Ali the Lion; and like a lion howling in the wilderness, I weigh my foes in the giant's balance.”

 

Ali was no giant, but he made up for his lack of height by his great breadth and prodigious strength. Today he was formidable in a scarlet tunic over which he wore his shining breastplate and backplate. On his head gleamed a spiked helmet encrusted with silver. In his right hand he brandished Mohammed's own scimitar, Dhu'l-Fiqar, which had been entrusted to him with the black banner.

 

Again and again Jewish veterans rushed at Ali. Again and again they staggered away with limbs or heads severed. Finally, the champion of all the Hebrews, a man called Merhab, who towered above the other warriors, planted himself before Ali. He wore a double cuirass, and round his helmet was a thick turban held in place by an enormous diamond. He was girt with a golden belt from which swung two swords. He did not use these, however, and killed right and left with a long three-pronged spear. For a moment the battle paused and the combatants rested on their arms to watch the duel

 

Marhab, like Goliath of Gath, had never been defeated. His size alone frightened opponents before they came close to him. His barbed fork disheartened the most skilled swordsman.

 

Marhab attacked first, driving at Ali with his trident. For a moment, Ali, unaccustomed to this form of weapon gave ground. Then he steadied himself and fenced with the Hebrew. A feint and a parry sent the spear flying. Before Merhab could draw one of his swords, Ali's scimitar had cloven his head through his helmet and turban so that it fell on either side of his shoulders. The Jews, seeing their champion dead, retreated into the city.

 

Mohammed gave the signal for a general assault. The Moslems surged forward. Ali led the onslaught. He had lost his shield during the duel and, to replace it, had torn a door from its hinges, which he carried before him.(The Messenger  the Life of Mohammed, 1946)

 

Muhammad Husayn Haykal

Realizing that this was their last stand in Arabia, the Jews fought desperately. As the days went by, the Prophet sent Abu Bakr with a contingent and a flag to the fortress of Na'im; but he was not able to conquer it despite heavy fighting. The Prophet then sent Umar bin al-Khattab on the following day, but he fared no better than Abu Bakr.

 

On the third day, the Prophet called Ali ibn Abu Talib, and, blessing him, commanded him to storm the fortress. Ali led his forces and fought valiantly. In the engagement, he lost his armor and, shielding himself with a portal he had seized, he continued to fight until the fortress was stormed by his troops. The same portal was used by Ali as a little bridge to enable the Muslim soldiers to enter the houses within the fortress... (The Life of Muhammad, Cairo, 1935)

Khyber was the first campaign in which non-Muslims were made the subjects of the Islamic State. It was the first time that the principles of government in Islam were defined and applied. Therefore, Khyber is the first successful campaign of Islam.The conquest of Khyber is a landmark in the history of Islam as it is the beginning of the Islamic State and Empire. The Indian historian, M. Shibli, says in his biography of the Prophet:

 

At Khyber, the nascent Islamic State acquired new subjects and new territories. It was the beginning, not only of the Islamic State but also of its expansion. If the conquest of Khyber is the beginning of the Islamic State, then Ali ibn Abi Talib, its conqueror, is its principal architect.

Before the conquest of Khyber, the Muslims were destitutes or semi-destitutes. Khyber suddenly made them rich. Imam Bukhari has quoted Abdullah bin Umar bin al-Khattab as saying: “We were hungry at all times until the conquest of Khyber.” And the same authority has quoted Ayesha, the wife of the Prophet, as saying: “It was not until the conquest of Khyber that I could eat dates to my heart's content.”

The Muhajireen in Medina had no means of making a living and therefore had no steady income. They had barely managed to survive until the conquest of Khyber. Once Khyber was conquered, there was a sudden change in their fortunes.

 

Montgomery Watt

Until the capture of Khyber the finances of the Islamic community were precarious, and the Emigrants lived partly off the charity or hospitality of the Helpers(Mohammed, Prophet and Statesman)

Khyber spelled the difference for the Muslim community between abject poverty and material abundance.

 

S. Margoliouth

When the Muslims came to apportion their spoils they found that the conquest of Khaibar surpassed every other benefit that God had conferred on their Prophet. (Mohammed and the Rise of Islam, 1931)

The conquest of Khyber conferred unlimited benefits upon the Muslims; some of them were:

1.Immense quantities of gold and silver that the Jews had been accumulating for many generations.

2.The finest arsenals of Arabia containing the newest weapons of the times such as swords, spears, lances, maces, shields, armor, bows and arrows.

3.Vast herds of horses, camels and cattle, and flocks of sheep and goats.

4.Rich arable lands with palm groves.

 

Sir John Glubb

The people of Khyber, like those of Medina, made their living by agriculture, particularly the date palm. Even today, the tribes have a saying, “To take dates to Khaiber,” which means the same as our expression, “To carry coals to Newcastle.” Khyber was said to be the richest oasis in the Hijaz. (The Life and Times of Mohammed)

 

After the surrender of the Jews in Khyber, the Prophet had to make some new arrangements for the administration of the newly-won territories.

S. Margoliouth

 

Presently Mohammed bethought him of the plan which became a prominent institution of Islam. To kill or banish the industrious inhabitants of Khaibar would not be good policy, since it was not desirable that the Moslems, who would constantly be wanted for active service, should be settled so far from Medina. Moreover, their skill as cultivators would not equal that of the former owners of the soil. So he decided to leave the Jews in occupation on payment of half their produce, estimated by Abdullah son of Rawahah at 200,000 wasks of dates. (Mohammed and the Rise of Islam, 1931)

 

One mighty stroke of Ali's sword solved the economic problems of the Muslim community, and put an end to its poverty forever. He also put an end to the dependence of the Muslims upon a fickle and temperamental nature, to feed them, once he delivered the fertile lands of Khyber to them.

 

There is yet another sense in which the campaign of Khyber was of immense importance not only to the Muslims of the time of the Prophet but also to the generations of the future. It was a departure, for the first time, from the classical tradition of Arabian warfare. The Arab mode of fighting was often chivalrous but most often inefficient. The Arabs knew less than nothing about strategy, and all that they knew about tactics was hit-and­run. They placed their hopes of victory in their ability to catch their victims by surprise.

For centuries, they had fought against each other, and had consistently followed the ancient pattern of hit-and-run, with no variation in tactics. We have seen how a trench checked an army of ten thousand warriors, and immobilized it at the siege of Medina in A.D. 627. The greatest captains of the idolaters like Khalid bin Walid and Ikrama bin Abu Jahl were baffled by the moat, and became helpless before it.

All this was to change after Khyber. Ali ibn Abi Talib taught the Muslims the art of laying siege to, and of capturing fortified positions. He taught them how to map out the strategy of a campaign, and how to fight pitched and decisive battles like disciplined armies. At Khyber, Ali placed the key to the conquest of the whole world in the hands of the Muslims.

 

 

The Estate of Fadak

Fadak was another Jewish settlement near Khyber. The people of Fadak voluntarily sent their representatives to the Prophet offering to negotiate the terms of surrender. He accepted their offer of surrender, and gave them the right to stay on their lands as subjects of the Islamic State. Fadak was acquired in this manner without any effort on the part of the army of the Muslims. It was, therefore, considered to be the private property of the Prophet.

 

Muhammad Husayn Haykal

The wealth of Khaybar was to be distributed among the members of the Muslim armed forces according to rule because they had fought to secure it. The wealth of Fadak, on the other hand, fell to Muhammad, as no Muslims and no fighting were involved in its acquisition. (The Life of Muhammad, Cairo, 1935)

 

In the early days of the history of Islam, the Muslims, when they were still in Makkah, were very poor, and had no means of making a living. Khadija, the wife of the Prophet, fed and housed most of them. She spent all her wealth on them so that when she died, there was nothing that she could leave for her daughter, Fatima Zahra.

Now when the estate of Fadak was acquired by the Prophet, he decided to make it a gift to his daughter as a recompense for the great sacrifices her mother had made for Islam. He, therefore, gave the estate of Fadak to his daughter, and it became her property.

The Jews of Wadi-ul-Qura and Tayma, other oases in Hijaz, also agreed to surrender to the Prophet on the same terms as those of Khyber and Fadak, and stayed on their lands.

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The battle of Badr

 

 History preserved in its records only fifth of the names out of the 70 pagan loses. Twenty2or twenty two3 of them died at Ali's hand.

 

The Battle of Uhud

 

Ibn Al-Atheer reported that ‘Ali, alone, destroyed all the standard bearers at the Battle of Uhud and said that Abu Rafi reported that. And so did Al-Tabari.2

 

From what we read in Al-Mustadrak by Al-Hakim, we understand that ‘Ali Ibn Abu Talib was the only defender who stayed with the Prophet for the duration of the battle. The other companions who were mentioned to be among those who remained with the Prophet were actually the first ones to come back to the Messenger of God after they left him. Al-Hakim recorded that Ibn Abbas said:

‘Ali has four distinctions no one shares with him: He was the first male who prayed with the Messenger of God. He was the bearer of his banner in every battle and he was the one who stayed with him at the Battle on the day of Al- Mihras (the Battle of Uhud, where there is gathered water called Al-Mihras ), and he is the one who washed his blessed body and laid him in his tomb.4

 

Battle of Khandaq

 

Three times did the Holy Prophet exhort the Muslims to give battle to Amr. Three times it was only 'Ali who stood up. In the third time, the Holy Prophet allowed 'Ali to go. When 'Ali was going to the battlefield, the Holy Prophet said:

 

"The whole faith is going to fight the whole infidelity."

 

'Ali invited 'Amr to accept Islam, or to return to Mecca, or to come down from his horse since 'Ali had no horse and was on foot. 'Amr alighted from his horse and a fierce battle ensued. For a while, so much dust covered both warriors that nobody knew what was going on. Once 'Amr succeeded in inflicting a serious cut on 'Ali's head, yet after some time, 'Ali killed 'Amr. Concerning this battle, the Holy Prophet said:

 

"Verily, one attack of 'Ali in the Battle of Khandaq is better than the worship of all human beings and jinns, up to the Day of Resurrection."

 

 

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Nishan-e-Haider

  is Pakistan's highest military gallantry award. "Nishan-e-Haider" literally means "Mark of the Lion" i. The word "Haider" is also the epithet of Imam Ali.

 

The highest Military Award of Pakistan has been awarded to Shaheed Soldiers who have shown bravery and courage in Times of War & Border battles(1948,1956,1965,1971,1999)

 Although some consider it equivalent of the British Victoria Cros and theUnited States Medal of Honor, however, it has no equivalent since the Nishan-e-Haider is unique in that it can only be awarded posthumously. Its exclusivity can be gauged by the fact that, since Pakistan's independence in 1947, there have been only ten recipients.

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This topic is not about Tawssul nor it is about imam Ali superiority nor it is about who can use the most offensive language and get away with it.

This topic purpose is to illustrate the faulty methodology of Salafists who claim to be the most adherent to prophet Sanna in comparison to the rest of all Muslim ummah.

I ask all brothers to keep focus and not fall in the trap of our resident wahhabis who are experts in igniting hatred and mindless shouting .

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The wahabi ideology is sponsored by ale saud, but why wants IS now destroy the ka'aba?I guess that ale saud just use wahabism to reach their goals like power and stable petrodollars but are they so stupid not to know that their dogs will bite the helping hand?Or are there saudi rich individuals that sponsor wahabi terrorist?

Sry if it is the wrong thread but i felt that i could get answer here.May Allah t reward u.

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