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Does Islam Support Socialism ,capitalism Or Commu?


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No, in fact it opposes all of them because each one of them have something that is against Islamic laws.

 

e.g. Capitalism is system which focuses on maximising capital, that means it cares for money before it cares for anything else, as a result take a look at America, where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer because its government is mainly looking to maximise capital, and they don't care where the capital goes.

 

Islam is opposed to all of them because Islam itself is one of a kind of government.

 

When Socialism, capitalism, communism has failed and the world realizes that they need a new sort of government, that will be when the Imam will establish the one and only true Islamic nation, which will also be global.

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I would say Islam supports a combination of sorts. However, muslims tend to overstate the socialist aspect and understate the capitalist aspect of it. Islam is in favour of property rights, inheritance across generations, low tax (20% khums and 2.5% zakat compared to up to 40% income tax alone in some socialist countries). I also dont see how islamic countries justify any tax on top of khums and zakat. Do they think they know better than God or that God's mandate is insufficient?

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I also dont see how islamic countries justify any tax on top of khums and zakat. Do they think they know better than God or that God's mandate is insufficient?

It has become clear to me the reason as to why you seem like such a hot head throughout this forum. You're somewhere between the scale of a Thatcherite and an anarchist.

It's unfortunate that you find it hard to comprehend that the market is only as free as the political actors determine it to be free.

It's unfortunate that you find it hard to comprehend that taxation forms the basis of a civilisation that is fair and just.

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(salam)

 

As writ above, Islam has no economic theory, but does have economic practices such as feeding the poor, charity, and so forth.

 

Capitalism was not an ideology until Schuappaur (sp?) wrote his book.

 

As with socialism, Unitarianism, etc, these are all administrative decisions in which to organize society.

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Islam has a full-fledged economic theory and is not confined to 'general principles' such as 'charity' or 'theft'

 

With that said, Islam opposes Socialism, Capitalism and Communism for the simple fact that it is based on classical economic reasoning i.e. economic materialism.

 

Islam does not presuppose material interests to be a prominent component of human action and development.

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It has become clear to me the reason as to why you seem like such a hot head throughout this forum. You're somewhere between the scale of a Thatcherite and an anarchist.

It's unfortunate that you find it hard to comprehend that the market is only as free as the political actors determine it to be free.

It's unfortunate that you find it hard to comprehend that taxation forms the basis of a civilisation that is fair and just.

 

Im am neither of those things. I am also not so ideologically shackled as to make blanket statements such as "taxation forms the basis of a civilisation that is fair and just". Cultural and political factors should also be taken into account when deciding on economic policy and on the grand scale of things i dont even think economic policy is as important as are the qualities innate in a given population. Norway and Japan would be just as successful under socialism as they would be under capitalism. Somalia and Sudan would remain poor and destitue regardless of what economic system is implemented in those countries

 

Also, no need to be upset and name call.

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(salam)

 

Gainzz: administration and organization of societies far preceded 'classical economics".

 

So, other than the Prohibitions Against Riba --which hasn't been mentioned, yet--, what economic "theory" do you suppose?

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None of the above, but of the three, I would say democratic socialism - as implemented in some parts of the world today - is probably closer to the ethos of Islam.  Capitalism and communism represent two extremes of economic theory.  One promotes profit above everyone else while the other stifles individualism.  

 

The message of the Quran and the lives of the infallibles are replete with examples emphasizing altruism, living modestly, and helping the needy.  Individuals are encouraged to seek profit and maintain individuality but unlike capitalism, Islam ultimately values humanity over profit.

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Because islam prohobits stealing it's automatically against marxism, socialism, communism. The system of the Quran contains everything the muslim community needs to provide for the sick & elderly by zakat while allowing the entrepeneurial spirit operate freely by someone creating something that someone else wants more than his accumulated wealth: thus creating a win-win transaction.

When someone voted for someone on the basis of getting increased welfare benefits: isnt this the same as theft & thus prohibited?

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Islam does not support 

1.) Socialism:

Do they distribute the mercy of your Lord? It is We who have apportioned among them their livelihood in the life of this world and have raised some of them above others in degrees [of rank] that they may make use of one another for service. But the mercy of your Lord is better than whatever they accumulate. 43:32

2.) Democracy (the way its used today):


If thou obeyedst most of those on earth they would mislead thee far from Allah's way. They follow naught but an opinion, and they do but guess. 6:116

3.) Capitalism:


Abundance diverts you, 102:1

4.) Idealistic and Post Modernist ontology:


And should the truth follow their low desires, surely the heavens and the earth and all those who are therein would have perished. Nay! We have brought to them their reminder, but from their reminder they turn aside. 23:71

5. ) Epicurism :


Have you seen him who takes his low desires for his god? Will you then be a protector over him? 25:43


Remember, Islam encompasses EVERYTHING and no ideology made by humans can encompass it. It is bigger and the widest ideology in itself. Socialism and Communism, in contrast to Capitalism are only human's guesses, all three based on material life:


They know the outward of this world's life, but of the hereafter they are absolutely heedless. 30:7

Islam is the only philosophy that allows and facilitates deeper thinking, understanding of the world, and thus making us humans.

Therefore, Islam cannot be limited into any 'ism'. 

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Salam

Islam  as  last revealed religion and the final one should have all advance keys the humanity needs to unlock any barriers  against their salvation, one of the keys is the advance theories based on the Qur'an and Hadith, e.g how to establish the society like ummah that People at the same time  can own their property and share it with other members  but in some conditions, like "money" can be lend to those need and afford it to pay back, or  be dedicated to some others need  in  form of Zakat , Khums or charitty. the economy that Isalm encourages is a productive form not opposite one, this is a famous Hadith says;من لا معاش له لا معاد لهmeans the one jobless has no good here after?! For being an obedient agent for Allah implies not be concern of your pocket ,food ,etc rather to be independent enough of wealth and money to free your mind of the things made it busy when u pray , making money in Islam is good as long as the way you earn is safe while observing the rights of other people not  to be violated, you earn money to live better in the name of God and to devote you life to Him, while you are caring to your personal affairs with God you  should remember the duty God shifted to you over His People, you can not be an obedient person when you are ignoring the rights of other people around you, you are not an obedient person if you don't keep balance between Din and Dunya( religion and the world) in Islam  money  is valuable  but not for money rather for getting upper and upper in  stages of Taghwa  to get closer to God to make a society healthier in its economy ans social interaction. its not the only aim and concern can be gained in any conditions even when it contradicts the rights of others,  for capitalism  in capitalism there is no place for religion , God or the rights of other people it's based on humanism the personal rights and interest, making money  more and more regardless to all  moral codes is an aim one should  struggle to reach to that in that system  money is valued for bringing power and luxuries, plenty of foods etc,  for one person, one country even in a case it leaves behind many other people and countries poor and deprived from their own granted rights,in this system the strongest considered the elite the the best the rest  weak always remains  poor this the fact.

Just to be  more brief and not wandering more, three models of the things referred to above does not exist in Islam because those r the result of secular and mistaken view as well toward the world that considers non of the needs of another aspect of  life , the fact of human beings: "the soul" which is ignored here, the world we departed from and we are moving toward  it because that is our home the place we ll belong to is lost here(capitalism,Socialism and Communism?!

Another fact we must refer to it is that Islam has all theory the humanity need in its best pack to go ahead  yes it  needs one to systematize it after discovering from The Quran and Hadith and put it into a comprehensive theory.

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None of those isms is uniform thoughout the world or for that matter, at all times. Fifty years ago, it was necessary for a communist to be an atheist. That is no longer the case. 

 

The Indian Communist party, for example, does have some religious people among its members. 

 

Anyway,  Islam has its own views on all matters that are attended to by those isms you have mentioned. Some of them do tie in with what Islam has to say.

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I feel this may be relevant to the discussion. I thought it was a pretty good read

Well, since you've read the book, can you please outline Sadr's alternative to interest?

Did he propose National Banking? If so, what would that banking system entail? Oversight by an independent committee or legislature? Give us some examples.

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