Which Quran Is The Correct One?

[godzapostle]

The sunnis believe there are 7 (maybe more?) different ways the Quran was revealed to the prophet and can be recited today.

 

Do shia accept this belief or not?

 

If we do then how do we know which 'Quran' is the correct one? (In which traditions did the Imams(as) recite the Quran?)

 

 

And before you dismiss these differences as "meaningless", take a look at some of the differences highlighted in this article:

 

http://www.free-minds.org/which-quran

(This isnt an anti-islam site. Ironically, it is a quranist website)

 

Granted, these differences dont have any effect on Islamic theology but they do change how we read particular verses and what those verses are really saying. These differences should matter because the word of God matters. They matter to me.

[mesbah]

it was an excuse for sunnis to justify their countless disagreements and misapplication of Qur'an in social and political affairs.

al-Kafi vol.2 p.630

 

 عَلِيُّ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ عَنْ أَبِيهِ عَنِ ابْنِ أَبِي عُمَيْرٍ عَنْ عُمَرَ بْنِ أُذَيْنَةَ عَنِ الْفُضَيْلِ بْنِ يَسَارٍ قَالَ: قُلْتُ لِأَبِي عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ع إِنَّ النَّاسَ يَقُولُونَ إِنَّ الْقُرْآنَ نَزَلَ عَلَى سَبْعَةِ أَحْرُفٍ‏ فَقَالَ

كَذَبُوا أَعْدَاءُ اللَّهِ وَ لَكِنَّهُ نَزَلَ عَلَى حَرْفٍ وَاحِدٍ مِنْ عِنْدِ الْوَاحِدِ.

Fudayl b. Yasar said: I told Imam al-Sadiq (as) : these people (sunnis) say: Qur'an was revealed in seven ways; the Imam said: lied the enemies of Allah, rather it (Qur'an) was revealed in one way from the One.

 

however, in another sense, there have been introduced for Qur'an seven hidden layers of interpretation, the concept is referred to as: Butun al-Qur'an, but that's for interpretation not textual consistency.

for integrity of the Holy Qur'an according to Shia point of view, please refer to the link below:

http://en.wikishia.net/Integrity_of_the_Holy_Qur'an

Edited July 22, 2014 by mesbah

[GermanShia]

and which way is the one?

[mesbah]

and which way is the one?

The One in that narration means Allah the One

[RationalDeen]

You are mixing the Qiraat with the ahruf.

[godzapostle]

You are mixing the Qiraat with the ahruf.

 

Please enlighten me.

 

it was an excuse for sunnis to justify their countless disagreements and misapplication of Qur'an in social and political affairs.

al-Kafi vol.2 p.630

 

 عَلِيُّ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ عَنْ أَبِيهِ عَنِ ابْنِ أَبِي عُمَيْرٍ عَنْ عُمَرَ بْنِ أُذَيْنَةَ عَنِ الْفُضَيْلِ بْنِ يَسَارٍ قَالَ: قُلْتُ لِأَبِي عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ع إِنَّ النَّاسَ يَقُولُونَ إِنَّ الْقُرْآنَ نَزَلَ عَلَى سَبْعَةِ أَحْرُفٍ‏ فَقَالَ

كَذَبُوا أَعْدَاءُ اللَّهِ وَ لَكِنَّهُ نَزَلَ عَلَى حَرْفٍ وَاحِدٍ مِنْ عِنْدِ الْوَاحِدِ.

Fudayl b. Yasar said: I told Imam al-Sadiq (as) : these people (sunnis) say: Qur'an was revealed in seven ways; the Imam said: lied the enemies of Allah, rather it (Qur'an) was revealed in one way from the One.

 

however, in another sense, there have been introduced for Qur'an seven hidden layers of interpretation, the concept is referred to as: Butun al-Qur'an, but that's for interpretation not textual consistency.

for integrity of the Holy Qur'an according to Shia point of view, please refer to the link below:

 

 

Ok but then why dont we have any hadiths where any of the imams explain which reading of the quran is the correct one?

Am i to believe that people thought it important to write down the sayings of the Imams(as) prohibiting chess but not the ones relating to which reading of the quran is the correct one?

This doesnt make sense.

Edited July 22, 2014 by godzapostle

[GermanShia]

in  which way do we have to read the quran?

[mesbah]

Please enlighten me.

Ok but then why dont we have any hadiths where any of the imams explain which reading of the quran is the correct one?

Am i to believe that people thought it important to write down the sayings of the Imams(as) prohibiting chess but not the ones relating to which reading of the quran is the correct one?

This doesnt make sense.

Imams (as) didn't believe in difference of revelation and they believed the present Qur'an is sufficient for guidance.

Didn't you read the link I gave about the integrity of Qur'an according to Shia mainstream scholars?

The accusation of Tahrif is one of Takfiri allegations against Shia, like shirk and other rubbish.

Qira'aat:

Different recitations

Ahruf:

Different revelations!!

The latter is one of umar's lies and confusions that has puzzled all sunnis throughout history; as what could possibly be the meaning of different revelations.

However, these different recitations are no big deal, some minute details, mainly because of different pronunciations in differnt arab tribes, or sometimes different calculations of the verses.

http://www.alameli.net/books/?id=1535

[godzapostle]

Imams (as) didn't believe in difference of revelation and they believed the present Qur'an is sufficient for guidance.

Didn't you read the link I gave about the integrity of Qur'an according to Shia mainstream scholars?

The accusation of Tahrif is one of Takfiri allegations against Shia, like shirk and other rubbish.

Qira'aat:

Different recitations

Ahruf:

Different revelations!!

The latter is one of umar's lies and confusions that has puzzled all sunnis throughout history; as what could possibly be the meaning of different revelations.

However, these different recitations are no big deal, some minute details, mainly because of different pronunciations in differnt arab tribes, or sometimes different calculations of the verses.

http://www.alameli.net/books/?id=1535

 

The link you gave on wikishia doesnt work but im not questioning whether the quran is complete or not . Im simply asking which recitation of the Quran is the correct one?

 

And stop saying it is no big deal. Im sick of hearing this line from muslims when i read about these differences. How could it not be a big deal which word was revealed by God? The differences change the meaning, these arent "minute" differences because there can be no such thing as a minute difference when dealing with the word of God. Either God said x or God said y, there is no middle ground. Any difference is a big deal.

[mesbah]

In that case, it is the version of Hafs from 'aasim who narrated the Holy Qur'an from Amir al-Mu'minin (as)

[godzapostle]

In that case, it is the version of Hafs from 'aasim who narrated the Holy Qur'an from Amir al-Mu'minin (as)

 

Any sahih hadiths to back up this claim?

[GermanShia]

is it prooven that the whole quran should be read in hafs?

[Ethics]

This research is done by Ayatullah Sayyid Abulqasim al-Khui .

 

Credit goes to Al-Islam.org for providing this source (http://www.al-islam....l-qasim-al-khui)

 

This is a very deep article which tackles both Shia and Sunni views in regarding "tahrif" or distortion of the Quran. I highly suggest everyone to even just skim it if you have time. Its interesting to note the pro tahrif in sunni hadith books while they accuse us of having a different quran. Well, one of our top ulema highly rejects this false claim. Also the author goes on to bring various hadiths from Shia books which pro tahrif opinions may use and he dissects and explains them.  inshAllah may we all learn something from this.

 

Simple logic: IF the quran has been changed, then Allah is unjust and He misguides. Which implies, Muhammad A.S was misguided, since he was the walking talking quran. Which implies the imams were useless. The quran is and must be perfect. This is agreed upon by all our ulema. It begs the question, if you think the imams or anyone else thought the quran is imperfect, then what were the imams for? They were protectors of Muhammad A.S and they are the ones that must have made sure the quran is clear from distortion. That is part of their purpose endowed by Allah. Any hadith which implies otherwise is to be thrown out the window, for it goes against the very quran.

 

(wasalam)

Edited July 22, 2014 by PureEthics

[mesbah]

Any sahih hadiths to back up this claim?

 

well we don't need narrations for historical facts, you should ask for historical reports and accounts and yes there are different historical accounts for this and it is established in both sunni and Shia schools that 'aasim narrated from Amir al-Mu'minin  (as)  even some Shia scholars believe 'aasim was a Shia.

 

وكان عاصم يقرئ حفصاًبقراءة علي بن أبي طالب التي يرويها من طريق أبي عبد الرحمن. توفي عاصم سنة 120 من هـ.

 

and 'aasim narrated for Hafs the recitation of Ali b. Abi Talib which was transmitted to 'aasim through Abi abd al-Rahman.

Edited July 22, 2014 by mesbah

[godzapostle]

This research is done by Ayatullah Sayyid Abulqasim al-Khui .

 

Credit goes to Al-Islam.org for providing this source (http://www.al-islam....l-qasim-al-khui)

 

This is a very deep article which tackles both Shia and Sunni views in regarding "tahrif" or distortion of the Quran. I highly suggest everyone to even just skim it if you have time. Its interesting to note the pro tahrif in sunni hadith books while they accuse us of having a different quran. Well, one of our top ulema highly rejects this false claim. Also the author goes on to bring various hadiths from Shia books which pro tahrif opinions may use and he dissects and explains them.  inshAllah may we all learn something from this.

 

Simple logic: IF the quran has been changed, then Allah is unjust and He misguides. Which implies, Muhammad A.S was misguided, since he was the walking talking quran. Which implies the imams were useless. The quran is and must be perfect. This is agreed upon by all our ulema. It begs the question, if you think the imams or anyone else thought the quran is imperfect, then what were the imams for? They were protectors of Muhammad A.S and they are the ones that must have made sure the quran is clear from distortion. That is part of their purpose endowed by Allah. Any hadith which implies otherwise is to be thrown out the window, for it goes against the very quran.

 

(wasalam)

 

I agree that there is no tahrif in the quran and i now agree that there has only been 1 revelation of the quran in one ahrf. All that remains to be settled is the different recitations of the quran. These different recitations can lead to different meanings of the text. Thus, i'm simply asking which of the recitations of the Quran among the several that exist today and have existed throughout history is the correct one.

well we don't need narrations for historical facts, you should ask for historical reports and accounts and yes there are different historical accounts for this and it is established in both sunni and Shia schools that 'aasim narrated from Amir al-Mu'minin  (as)  even some Shia scholars believe 'aasim was a Shia.

 

وكان عاصم يقرئ حفصاًبقراءة علي بن أبي طالب التي يرويها من طريق أبي عبد الرحمن. توفي عاصم سنة 120 من هـ.

 

Ok, this is reasonable. Does hafs predominate among shias as well?

[mesbah]

Ok, this is reasonable. Does hafs predominate among shias as well?

 

are you kidding us bro?! sure yes.