A New Approach To An Old Problem...

[Servidor]

 

 

With love,

For the moderator or administrator who kindly restores my private messages to me

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:angel: Please?

[Laayla]

Lol I would add cheese cake, that would work for me.

[Servidor]

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[Abbas.]

awww infidel...   :wub: 

 

If it helps, I can send you a copy of our private conversations  :D 

[Servidor]

awww infidel...   :wub: 

 

If it helps, I can send you a copy of our private conversations  :D 

 

:cry: You make me sad. Why not fix it? These anti-me private message sanctions are inhuman! macisaac isn't even an admin anymore... :dry:

 

By the way, you ought to totally move to Melbourne. Ten trillion times better in any respect than Sydney! The public transport is sublime and there is an art gallery, bookstore or museum for every eyelash in the city. Can't way to go back at the end of August.

 

Anyway, I am reasonable. You'll see what happens if you don't give me back my private messages...

[PeaceLoving]

Who then is this, that even the wind and the sea obey Him?

 

You are talking about Jesus.

 

We also believe that Jesus performed miracles. Every prophet was given a different set of miracles.

 

Strangely, Muslims don't speak much of our Prophet's miracles.

 

Biut he too had heaps.  Countless.

[Abbas.]

:cry: You make me sad. Why not fix it? These anti-me private message sanctions are inhuman! macisaac isn't even an admin anymore... :dry:

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It was a collective decision bro. I'll ask the team to review it once again.

[Haydar Husayn]

Out of interest, Servidor, it looks like you have converted to the Eastern Orthodox Church. Is this the case?

[Servidor]

Out of interest, Servidor, it looks like you have converted to the Eastern Orthodox Church. Is this the case?

 

Yes. I converted to Holy Orthodoxy last year, but it took time and I was baptized early in this year. The day before the feast-day of the Holy New Martyrs of Russia. The day before, so that my first Communion would be on that Sunday. There was a little article about it on the website of the temple where I was baptized...

 

Крещение Мартина Калиньюк - 08/02/14

 

В субботу 8-го февраля настоятель прихода перевел из католицизма в православие Мартина Калиньюк. С благословения Митрополита Илариона были прочитаны молитвы Обращения из Римо-Латинского Исповедания, а не молитвы о оглашенных. Затем он был крещён и миропомазан. Его восприемниками были Николай Гура и Женя Милард. Его небесным покровителем стал Св. Мартин Турский (+397) один из великих святых православного запада. Да подаст Господь новообращенному рабу Божию Мартину многа лета.

 

A baptism - M. K. - 08/02/2014

 

On Saturday 8 February the parish rector received into Orthodoxy a young convert from Roman Catholicism, M. K. With Metropolitan Hilarion's blessing, 'The Office for Receiving Converts from the Roman-Latin Confession' was used in the place of the 'Prayers at the Making of a Catechumen', followed by the Holy Mysteries of Baptism and Chrismation. M's sponsors were Nikolai G. and Evgenia M., and his heavenly protector is Saint Martin of Tours (+397), one of the great saints of the Orthodox West. May God grant his servant M., newly united to the Holy Orthodox Church, many years!

[Haydar Husayn]

Yes. I converted to Holy Orthodoxy last year, but it took time and I was baptized early in this year. The day before the feast-day of the Holy New Martyrs of Russia. The day before, so that my first Communion would be on that Sunday. There was a little article about it on the website of the temple where I was baptized...

 

Крещение Мартина Калиньюк - 08/02/14

 

В субботу 8-го февраля настоятель прихода перевел из католицизма в православие Мартина Калиньюк. С благословения Митрополита Илариона были прочитаны молитвы Обращения из Римо-Латинского Исповедания, а не молитвы о оглашенных. Затем он был крещён и миропомазан. Его восприемниками были Николай Гура и Женя Милард. Его небесным покровителем стал Св. Мартин Турский (+397) один из великих святых православного запада. Да подаст Господь новообращенному рабу Божию Мартину многа лета.

 

A baptism - M. K. - 08/02/2014

 

On Saturday 8 February the parish rector received into Orthodoxy a young convert from Roman Catholicism, M. K. With Metropolitan Hilarion's blessing, 'The Office for Receiving Converts from the Roman-Latin Confession' was used in the place of the 'Prayers at the Making of a Catechumen', followed by the Holy Mysteries of Baptism and Chrismation. M's sponsors were Nikolai G. and Evgenia M., and his heavenly protector is Saint Martin of Tours (+397), one of the great saints of the Orthodox West. May God grant his servant M., newly united to the Holy Orthodox Church, many years!

Interesting. Did it have anything to do with the actions and words of the current Roman Catholic Pope?

[Servidor]

Interesting.

 

Me? Interesting?  :angel:

 

Ha!

 

Did it have anything to do with the actions and words of the current Roman Catholic Pope?

 

Well, I am afraid I am going to have to postpone the undertaking of that discussion until you kindly like my original post.

[Haydar Husayn]

Me? Interesting?  :angel:

 

Ha!

 

 

Well, I am afraid I am going to have to postpone the undertaking of that discussion until you kindly like my original post.

Ok, done.

[Servidor]

Ok, done.

 

Thank you.

 

Did it have anything to do with the actions and words of the current Roman Catholic Pope?

 

Yes. But that was only the beginning — because it was a beginning. It was not an end of my being a Catholic, it was the beginning of my becoming Orthodox.

 

But — yes. The sad retirement of Benedictus affected me greatly and the prompt undoing of everything he had done by Bergoglio upset me words can't tell how much. 

 

Authentic Roman Catholicism is a very attractive answer to that problem of having to think and feel one's way through those things: God, the spiritual world, meaning, suffering, sin. It is the answer of authority. The Roman Catholic Church is an institution that claims to answer those questions with the delegated authority of God Himself. You accept it's authority and it's answers and you will have peace. —Pax Romana. And it works, or it did.

 

In the last sixty years or so it disproved itself and it's claim to authority by contradiction. A contradiction cannot be true. There has been a succession of popes, the embodiment and expression of that authority alleged to have been given by God, who have contradicted everything that went before them. But their predecessors were Vicars of Christ also. So who is right? They both cannot be. And what does that authority amount to given that we even have to ask? Not very much I don't think. No. The Roman Catholic Church has proven to us that it is not the divinely incorruptible vehicle of the Truth. 

 

Bergoglio was an exclamation mark to me. Benedictus was the only reason I had remained a Catholic as long as I did, he was our hope and after him we expected only better. And God gave us Bergoglio. I could not in honest conscience stay where I was. The distinction between the office and the man broke under the strain. I felt tricked. Like I had wasted much time. Like how a soldier might have felt coming back from war and seeing that everything he fought for was destroyed not by enemies but by themselves while he was away.

 

So I called a priest and went to an Orthodox temple wanting to find there what I had thought I had in Roman Catholicism. And I didn't. I found something inexpressibly better. Now my heart owns a peace that proves the Roman one was artificial. And it is mine and it's bigger than all of me! It overflows my soul, it is bright and pure. Some times it nearly sends me mad for happiness! Благодать.

 

And so, here we are. Enough?

[Haydar Husayn]

Thank you.

Yes. But that was only the beginning — because it was a beginning. It was not an end of my being a Catholic, it was the beginning of my becoming Orthodox.

But — yes. The sad retirement of Benedictus affected me greatly and the prompt undoing of everything he had done by Bergoglio upset me words can't tell how much.

Authentic Roman Catholicism is a very attractive answer to that problem of having to think and feel one's way through those things: God, the spiritual world, meaning, suffering, sin. It is the answer of authority. The Roman Catholic Church is an institution that claims to answer those questions with the delegated authority of God Himself. You accept it's authority and it's answers and you will have peace. —Pax Romana. And it works, or it did.

In the last sixty years or so it disproved itself and it's claim to authority by contradiction. A contradiction cannot be true. There has been a succession of popes, the embodiment and expression of that authority alleged to have been given by God, who have contradicted everything that went before them. But their predecessors were Vicars of Christ also. So who is right? They both cannot be. And what does that authority amount to given that we even have to ask? Not very much I don't think. No. The Roman Catholic Church has proven to us that it is not the divinely incorruptible vehicle of the Truth.

Bergoglio was an exclamation mark to me. Benedictus was the only reason I had remained a Catholic as long as I did, he was our hope and after him we expected only better. And God gave us Bergoglio. I could not in honest conscience stay where I was. The distinction between the office and the man broke under the strain. I felt tricked. Like I had wasted much time. Like how a soldier might have felt coming back from war and seeing that everything he fought for was destroyed not by enemies but by themselves while he was away.

So I called a priest and went to an Orthodox temple wanting to find there what I had thought I had in Roman Catholicism. And I didn't. I found something inexpressibly better. Now my heart owns a peace that proves the Roman one was artificial. And it is mine and it's bigger than all of me! It overflows my soul, it is bright and pure. Some times it nearly sends me mad for happiness! Благодать.

And so, here we are. Enough?

Thank you, that was very interesting. I only asked because as I've observed the current Pope, I've been wondering how traditional Roman Catholics were feeling about him. I know some former Roman Catholics have been unhappy with the Papacy for a while, and view the last few Popes (since Vatican II I believe) as anti-Popes. I think they are known as sedevacantists. But yes, I suppose it does become difficult for a thinking person to pretend that the teachings of the Church has remaining consistent.

How do you foresee the future of the Catholic Church? How widespread do you think the discontent is among traditionalists?

Edited July 31, 2014 by Haydar Husayn

[Servidor]

Thank you, that was very interesting. I only asked because as I've observed the current Pope, I've been wondering how traditional Roman Catholics were feeling about him. I know some former Roman Catholics have been unhappy with the Papacy for a while, and view the last few Popes (since Vatican II I believe) as anti-Popes. I think they are known as sedevacantists. But yes, I suppose it does become difficult for a thinking person to pretend that the teachings of the Church has remaining consistent.

How do you foresee the future of the Catholic Church? How widespread do you think the discontent is among traditionalists?

 

I don't know. Suppose there are three possibilities. After Bergoglio the Curia will have a choice.

 

They can elect a traditionalist, like his eminence Cardinal Raymond Burke, and doctrinally and morally things would get better quickly. Dialogue could be resumed with us and the pope might even be allowed to come to Moscow (love that the pope isn't allowed in our ancient Orthodox Moscow).

 

They can elect a liberal, and then we would see more of the same. This would win them more adherents with the Church willing to sell itself by any means.

 

Then they could make a British compromise choice and elect a moderate, like Benedictus was. Very little would happen slowly.

 

God knows though.

 

Traditionalists, were upset when I left. I have stopped reading Catholic blogs and don't have anymore Catholic friends. So I can't say, I'm sorry. I do know I was not the only one leaving.

Edited August 2, 2014 by Servidor

[Servidor]

For the moderators, can i just add that i think that i am now Orthodox should have some bearing on the question. The reason i had my private message access disabled was for jokingly saying that i would convert someone to Catholicism if they wanted to send me a private message.

 

Orthodox people are much more respectful of Islam and other religions. Holy Orthodoxy is against proselytizing and we ourselves have been the victim of it in the last few decades. Foreign Protestants swarmed post-Soviet Republics after the collapse of the Soviet Union, targeting Orthodox and Uniates alike. In the Russian Federation they had to be legally regulated to prevent them from buying up media and institutions and so gaining a purchased hegemony based on the fact that they come from countries whose currency is stronger than the rouble.

 

In Russia Islam is recognised as one of the traditional religions of the region. There is more than one Muslim majority Russian Republic. In places where there is a significant Muslim presence the local religious leaders are invited to help form the curriculum for religious education in schools.

 

Holy Orthodoxy is against proselytizing. God knows we are not all holy equal-to-the-apostles. Someone who didn't ask the question does not want to hear the answer.

[Atomic Silver]

I welcome any discussion about religion. I yearn for those individuals to come up to me and attempt to bring me to Christianity. They usually are surprised how much I know about the bible. Unfortunately, I'm even more surprised how little they know about the Quran yet have excluded the possibility of any other religion.

[Abbas.]

Sorry for the delay Servidor. Just asked the team to review this matter. 

[Servidor]

Sorry for the delay Servidor. Just asked the team to review this matter. 

 

Guess who gets the flowers, chocolates and teddy bear... :wub:

[Agora]

Servidor deserves his messaging abilities more than I do. I implore the admin team to restore it to him. Take mine away. Take everything away from me. I won't complain as long as Servidor's abilities are restored.