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isnt it interesting that this group alone, everyone in it has had some journey, some of the people had a journey that led them out and back in again, while others from out to in , still while others in to out(permanently)

most of the people here come from converting-reverting-giving up-leaving-returning-background-disbelieving-believing-born into

quiet a bunch of people we got here

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Salam brothers and sisters!  I grew up in a not so religious family, but my whole family identifies as Christians. My grandparents were raised baptists and raised my mom that way, but ever since

As-salamu 3alaykum wa rahmatullah I am a young convert to islam, one year ago. I recently « converted » to shia islam a few days ago.

Thanks for the warm welcom brothers! Alhamdulillah.  I will definitely stick around, i have already learned a lot from these forums and i know i Can learn more. May the blessings of Allah be

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Unity of God
Justice of God

Prophethood
Imamate
Final Day of judhment

Bold has some differences, philosophical differences
Justice philosophy leads to freedom of man, thus a corrupt monarch can't use argument of Gods will in his favor for whatever wrong he do.

Shias donot recognize frst 3 caliphs as righteous, but most importantly6th caliph muahwiya is considered Upsurper (but Imam Hassan accepted him defacto for practical reasons).

When he appointed his son as next caliph, that eventually led to Karbals

Saudi chief cleric even today says Yazid was legitmate ruler and Imam Hussain should not have led the rebellion

This legitimacy argument which is bullsh*t by western standards was used to get Edicts from Clergy to legitimize killing Imam Hussain

You can see where its leading, hard sunni believes will not allow you to enjoy things like Freedom of Speech, Freedom to protest etc as unfortunately those things were crushed in early islam and that history is part of their believe system.

Amar bil Maroof nahi an al munkar (promote truth/right. stop wrong), which for shia are obligatory (i think for sunnis as well) is comparable to Freedom of Speech and protest.

Basically issues are debatable today but they can not agree to a  reasoning that will lead them to denounce muahwiya, his rule, even rule of 1st 3 caliphs, sins of many Sahabis etc. While its much easier for shias to curse muahwiya and other sahabs who did many wrong things, because for us no sahaba has some special exaclted status like our imams.

And there is no such controversy about our 12 imams.

But as Sunni justify 1st 3 caliphs and muahwiya for being sahabi, they ignor many other proven things that sahaba did.

Basically a lot of double think

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12 minutes ago, HGW_XX/7 said:

Unity of God
Justice of God

Prophethood
Imamate
Final Day of judhment

Bold has some differences, philosophical differences
Justice philosophy leads to freedom of man, thus a corrupt monarch can't use argument of Gods will in his favor for whatever wrong he do.

Shias donot recognize frst 3 caliphs as righteous, but most importantly6th caliph muahwiya is considered Upsurper (but Imam Hassan accepted him defacto for practical reasons).

When he appointed his son as next caliph, that eventually led to Karbals

Saudi chief cleric even today says Yazid was legitmate ruler and Imam Hussain should not have led the rebellion

This legitimacy argument which is bullsh*t by western standards was used to get Edicts from Clergy to legitimize killing Imam Hussain

You can see where its leading, hard sunni believes will not allow you to enjoy things like Freedom of Speech, Freedom to protest etc as unfortunately those things were crushed in early islam and that history is part of their believe system.

Amar bil Maroof nahi an al munkar (promote truth/right. stop wrong), which for shia are obligatory (i think for sunnis as well) is comparable to Freedom of Speech and protest.

Basically issues are debatable today but they can not agree to a  reasoning that will lead them to denounce muahwiya, his rule, even rule of 1st 3 caliphs, sins of many Sahabis etc. While its much easier for shias to curse muahwiya and other sahabs who did many wrong things, because for us no sahaba has some special exaclted status like our imams.

And there is no such controversy about our 12 imams.

But as Sunni justify 1st 3 caliphs and muahwiya for being sahabi, they ignor many other proven things that sahaba did.

Basically a lot of double think

JazakAllah for that piece of knowledge. May I ask, are you Sunni or Shia? 

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13 hours ago, HGW_XX/7 said:

Shias donot recognize frst 3 caliphs as righteous, but most importantly6th caliph muahwiya is considered Upsurper (but Imam Hassan accepted him defacto for practical reasons).

When he appointed his son as next caliph, that eventually led to Karbals

Saudi chief cleric even today says Yazid was legitmate ruler and Imam Hussain should not have led the rebellion

I believe the reason Imam Hassan(AS) "accepted" muahwiyas leadership  was in order to show people what kind of "calpihs" the unrightful rulers was, they agreed that leadership would not be passed on to muahwiyas son but that it would return to Imam Hassan(AS), as we now know, they assassinated the Imam and muawiyas son yazid got the leadership.

This lead to the actions of Imam Hussein(AS), he did what he did in order to again show us what kind of "calphis" the unrightful rulers was. If you doubt to who was right, just look at the events of Karbala, if you have a heart in your chest and a brain in your skull you cannot argue regarding the wrongdoing that was done to the family of the Prophet, to our Imam.

As in the case of Imam Hassan(AS), he showed us how the enemy was wrong in their words.

As in the case of Imam Hussein(AS), he showed us how the enemy was wrong in their actions.

With their blood they made it clear for us, so that he who searches and reasons may see truth among the mists of lies but it is up to us to search and reason. For me, one of the absolute major reasons to why I decided to follow Shia islam over Sunni islam was the events of Karbala and the events that lead to it. It is not a question of picking sects, it is a question of picking truth and there can only be one truth.

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14 hours ago, RevertSister said:

Has anyone got any links for comparing the Sunni belief and Shia belief, as to what is the major difference between the two.

 JazakAllah in advance :) 

There's more, alot more....be prepared to be stunned. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Szj3GaYXJQ&list=PLVC7olsi0U34hld6api5Xjr8GJhuVuZi8

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On 2/8/2016 at 3:20 AM, RevertSister said:

Has anyone got any links for comparing the Sunni belief and Shia belief, as to what is the major difference between the two.

 JazakAllah in advance :) 

http://www.al-islam.org/feature/explore-shia-sunni

When you open it, you will find some useful links to the left under "Explore Shia & Sunni"

May Allah bless your path.

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On ‎2‎/‎5‎/‎2016 at 3:48 AM, RevertSister said:

I'm white British along with my parents, I believe we are not supposed to be divided into such sects.

The Quran says, 

"And hold fast,

All together, by the rope, 

Which Allah ( stretches out for you ), 

and be not divided among yourselves;"

[ Al-Quran 3:103 ]

 

What is the rope of Allah that is being referred to in this verse? It is the Glorious Qur’an. The Glorious Qur’an is the rope of Allah which all Muslims should hold fast together. There is double emphasis in this verse. Besides saying ‘hold fast all together’ it also says, ‘be not divided’.

Qur’an further says,

"Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger"
                [Al-Qur’an 4:59]

 

"As for those who divide 

Their religion and break up into sects, 

thou hast no part in them in the least:

Their affair is with Allah:

He will in the end 

Tell them the truth

Of all that they did." 

[Al-Quran 6:159]

 

In this verse Allah (swt) says that one should disassociate oneself from those who divide their religion and break it up into sects.

But when one asks a Muslim, "who are you?", the common answer is either ‘I am a Sunni, or ‘I am a Shia’. Some call themselves Hanafi, or Shafi or Maliki or Humbali. Some say ‘I am a Deobandi’, while some others say ‘I am a Barelvi’.

One may ask such Muslims, "Who was our beloved prophet (pbuh)? Was he a Hanafi or a Shafi, or a Humbali or a Maliki?" No! He was a Muslim, like all the other prophets and messengers of Allah before him.

It is mentioned in chapter 3 verse 52 of Al-Qur’an that Jesus (pbuh) was a Muslim.

Further, in chapter 3 verse 67, Al-Qur’an says that Ibrahim (pbuh) was not a Jew or a Christian but was a Muslim.

 

If anyone poses a Muslim the question who are you, he should say "I am a MUSLIM, not a Hanafi or a Shafi". Surah Fussilat chapter 41 verse 33 says

    "Who is better in speech
Than one who calls (men)
To Allah, works righteousness,
And says, ‘I am of those
Who bow in Islam (Muslim)?’ "

               [Al-Qur’an 41:33]

The Qur’an says "Say I am of those who bow in Islam". In other words, say, "I am a Muslim".

 

We must respect all the great scholars of Islam, including the four Imaams, Imam Abu Hanifa, Imam Shafi, Imam Humbal and Imam Malik (may Allah be pleased with them all). They were great scholars and may Allah reward them for their research and hardwork. One can have no objection if someone agrees with the views and research of Imam Abu Hanifa or Imam Shafi, etc. But when posed a question, ‘who are you?’, the reply should only be ‘I am a Muslim’.


Some may argue by quoting the hadith of our beloved Prophet from Sunan Abu Dawood Hadith No. 4579. In this hadith the prophet (pbuh) is reported to have said, "My community will be split up into seventy-three sects."

This hadith reports that the prophet predicted the emergence of seventy-three sects. He did not say that Muslims should be active in dividing themselves into sects. The Glorious Qur’an commands us not to create sects.

The Glorious Qur’an mentions in several verses, "Obey Allah and obey His Messenger". A true Muslim should only follow the Glorious Qur’an. He can agree with the views of any scholar as long as they conform to the teachings of the Qur’an. If such views go against the Word of Allah, or the Sunnah of His Prophet, then they carry no weight, regardless of how learned the scholar might be.

as salaam alaikum, and if I've offended anyone please forgive me. 

 

 

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Dear sister in Islam. Congratulations and welcome to Islam. Shia is not a sect, people make you think its a sect. Who knows the Holy Quran than the last Prophet and messenger,  Mohammad s.a.w ? It was Mohammad s.a.w. that said: "I will leave you two weighty things for Umma to follow, 1) the Holy Quran, 2) and my Ahlul Bait(my family/household) follow these two and you will never go astray. The Prophet did not say this out of choice, but this was Allah's command! Other than that, I 100 % agree with you where we should say, we are Muslims. Good luck to sister and I pray to Allah s.w.t to keep guiding you and make you stay on the right path INSHALLAH.

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On 09/02/2016 at 1:32 AM, Abu Hadi said:

There's more, alot more....be prepared to be stunned. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Szj3GaYXJQ&list=PLVC7olsi0U34hld6api5Xjr8GJhuVuZi8

Thank you for this link.  I'm watching the first video.  I know I really shouldn't say what I'm about to say.  I'm feeling very angry at this Abdul Raheem Green whoever he is.  He strikes me as a bit of an intellectual retard. (Forgive me).

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 Deffo best to cut right down on the caffeine (incuding fizzy drinks) before hand so you dont get the withdrawal. The problem with filling up with water is that it can disturb sleep (waking up to go to the loo) if youre going back to sleep after suhur. I recommend eating protein at suhur and/or slow release carbs like porridge. Also, thrist and hunger comes and goes. One moment you can feel so thristy that you fear it may become unbearable, then a short time later you feel fine again (alhamdullillah). Im not sure why that happens, anyone know?

 

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As a naturally born Muslim.

For Ramadan, I usually go to a mosque for iftar. Then I stay up during the night going on the internet checking the Super Mario Boards, GameFAQs, and checking ShiaChat alongside posting on those places to pass my time & watching YouTube. When suhoor time hits, I start eating.

I could say that going at mosque for Iftar is the best way to go about and then staying up for suhoor. I like to eat some leftovers as well.

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Having some plain yogurt with suhoor helps with thirst. Using a tablespoon or two of molasses (maybe in your coffee or oatmeal) keeps hunger at bay. Definitely drink plenty of water and juice, and make sure you have fiber rich slowly digested foods and avoid much sweet or greasy/oily foods in the early meal.

The hardest thing for me is that the long days of fasting make my metabolism slow and by iftar time I'd rather sleep than eat. Actually, I always want to sleep by the middle of the third week, and I have to force myself to eat anything for any meal. And I gain 10 lbs. 

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You usually have 6-7 cups of coffee...?! And I thought I was caffed up

Try swapping green tea for some of those cups....it's really good for us.

may Allah (swt) help us all....

The rewards for fasting in rajab and shaban have been extremely emphasized, and are famously know as the months of preparation. Not only preparing yourself physically, but mentally as well. I've even heard of scholars preparing for the following Ramadan right when that Ramadan is over--that's how precious each second of Ramadan is, and the importance of having the right mindset. Don't lose time because your body has to still adjust to the routine.

Use these two months to prepare Insha'Allah.

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Ah Wow!! 18 Hours!!!! And i certainly didn't know that some muslims starts preparing for the month of ramadan this early.

What i find interesting is that till this very day i'm still discovering how much important Month of Ramadan is. I live in a christian household, they found out about my conversion 1 years ago and since then (Because I'm still a fresh graduate and my salary isn't enough for me to move out and live alone) I've been struggling with them telling them convincing them that I'm a christian again because they wanted to kick me out of the house and causing me numerous problems that i don't need to mention...

So when it comes to Ramadan i should fast covering it all up without them noticing it which is the hard part because my parents were watching every step i make. And truly my brothers and sisters, with the Grace of God with His power with His blessing they were blinded to the fact that I was staying without no food nor water for 15 hours plus a day. Just because I jumped and took the risk for God tho i was afraid, He was there for me. We should have a strong faith in Allah, because when we understand His power, when we, as committing shia believers, understand the power that is behind us we would never have to fear anything ever again.

I usually find it hard to fast the first two days cause of the headaches and dizziness, but after that I manage to pass normally the month. And i don't even eat during Sahr, because if i wake up during the night to eat my parents will notice, so i manage to fast each day on a one meal.

This is my third Ramadan and Insha'Allah it will be Alright. With the help of God and with our faith everything can be done.

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6 hours ago, HayderM said:

All of my end of year exams are in Ramadan, every one of them! Have to get prepared :pushup::pushup2: 

Same here buddy! And I normally take chocolate into my exams as a snack :( I guess I'll just bring a tasbih instead :hahaha:

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1 hour ago, zainabamy said:

Same here buddy! And I normally take chocolate into my exams as a snack :( I guess I'll just bring a tasbih instead :hahaha:

Ahh yeah I see ur from the UK so we will be fasting the same duration! Hopefully it goes by easy, im expecting first couple days as a challenge, studying in the library at like 2/3am everyone will think iv'e lost it :einstein::clap:

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14 hours ago, yasahebalzaman.313 said:

And i don't even eat during Sahr, because if i wake up during the night to eat my parents will notice

Oh please at least take a large bottle of water and a granola bar or some fruit into your room before you sleep and eat it before fajr time! May your hard efforts be rewarded! If I tried to start fast on an empty stomach I would faint by noon!

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Wish we could all have the Saudi schedule during Ramadan, 

Get up at 11 am, go harass your secretary for a few hours,

throw a few taekwondo punches,

leave the office,

Do Salat Dhuhr, take a nap,

wake up for Salat Asr, take another nap,

Then time to eat a whole cow and fall into a diabetic coma at 3 am.

Then wake up the next day and do it all again. 

 

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On 4/5/2016 at 8:44 PM, Abu Hadi said:

Wish we could all have the Saudi schedule during Ramadan, 

Get up at 11 am, go harass your secretary for a few hours,

throw a few taekwondo punches,

leave the office,

Do Salat Dhuhr, take a nap,

wake up for Salat Asr, take another nap,

Then time to eat a whole cow and fall into a diabetic coma at 3 am.

Then wake up the next day and do it all again. 

Lol....is that how it's done? My daughter has a couple of friends from school  who are from there and they really do sleep almost all day during Ramadan,but I thought it was because they were students and Ramadan has fallen during the summer vacation since she has known them. I keep wondering if  severely cutting down on all activities in such a climate was the historical norm when even taking water was forbidden?

Not my business and I don't intend to linger on this thread, but as a purely academic question, I also wonder if the hours of fast times shouldn't be tied to sunrise/sunset in Arabia since it is a very strict fast and there were no near-polar Muslims at the time of institution? 

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10 hours ago, notme said:

Oh please at least take a large bottle of water and a granola bar or some fruit into your room before you sleep and eat it before fajr time! May your hard efforts be rewarded! If I tried to start fast on an empty stomach I would faint by noon!

Thank you :) I do it for the love of God and Ahlulbayt.

I don't like eating at night it's unhealthy for the body... it stores fat easily and it makes you bloat but sure i drink water. And plus i don't know why but before when i used to stay up at night very late, i used to eat big meals but when i wake up i would feel so hungry so it's like i never ate. I won't say that fasting Ramadan is easy but it teaches us self discipline and patience. I like it. I feel that some people forget why we have Ramadan. All we have to do is to change our state of mind, keep ourselves busy and the month will be easily finished.

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On 4/8/2016 at 7:06 PM, Sumayyeh said:

@yasahebalzaman.313 

There's a famous sermon that the Prophet (s) gave right before Ramadhan...its amazing. When I get the chance I wanted to share it, or maybe someone can find it...I think you'll that very interesting...

Well looking forward to see it. 

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@yasahebalzaman.313 @zainabamy @IbnSina (tagging you guys cuz I thought you might find this useful Inshallah :) )

So, I read this famous sermon usually right before Ramadhan to remind myself of how precious every single moment of this month is, and to not let even a second go by. So thank you for reminding me to read this from now.

According to this famous sermon:

Every breath you take and even your sleep is considered worship in this holy month. 

In this month, you are literally considered the guest of Allah--how do hosts usually treat their guests?

Just think--Allah is your host in this holy month!

Reading one Ayah of the Quran in this month is the equivalent to reading the entire Quran.

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Remember the nights of the 19th, 21st, and 23rd are the nights of Qadr, and they are when your destiny for the entire year are determined. Every Dua that you want answered, any situation that you're looking forward to happening in the year ahead--it is of utmost importance to make dua on these nights. The most important and highest probability of is the night of the 23rd.

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The Sermon Given By The Prophet (s) On The Last Friday Of Sha'ban On The Reception Of The Month of Ramadhan

“O People !

“Indeed ahead of you is the blessed month of Allah. A month of blessing, mercy and forgiveness. A month which with Allah is the best of months. Its days, the best of days, its nights, the best of nights, and its hours, the best of hours. It is the month which invites you to be the guests of Allah and invites you to be one of those near to Him. Each breath you take glorifies him; your sleep is worship, your deeds are accepted and your supplications are answered.

So, ask Allah, your Lord; to give you a sound body and an enlightened heart so you may be able to fast and recite his book, for only he is unhappy who is devoid of Allah’s forgiveness during this great month. Remember the hunger and thirst of the day of Qiyamah (Judgement) with your hunger and thirst; give alms to the needy and poor, honor your old, show kindness to the young ones, maintain relations with your blood relations; guard your tongues, close your eyes to that which is not permissible for your sight, close your ears to that which is forbidden to hear, show compassion to the orphans of people so compassion may be shown to your orphans.

Repent to Allah for your sins and raise your hands in dua during these times, for they are the best of times and Allah looks towards his creatures with kindness, replying to them during the hours and granting their needs if he is asked...

“O People! Indeed your souls are dependant on your deeds, free it with Istighfar (repentance) lighten its loads by long prostrations; and know that Allah swears by his might: That there is no punishment for the one who prays and prostrates and he shall have no fear of the fire on the day when man stands before the Lord of the worlds.

“O People! One who gives Iftaar to a fasting person during this month will be like one who has freed someone and his past sins will be forgiven.

Some of the people who were there then asked the Prophet (s): “Not all of us are able to invite those who are fasting?”

The Prophet (s) replied: “Allah gives this reward even if the Iftaar (meal) is a drink of water.”

“One who has good morals (Akhlaq) during this month will be able to pass the ‘Siraat’...on the day that feet will slip...

“One who covers the faults of others will benefit in that Allah will curb His anger on the day of Judgement...

“As for one who honors an orphan; Allah will honor him on the day of judgement,

“And for the one who spreads his kindness, Allah will spread His mercy over him on the day of Judgement.

“As for the one who cuts the ties of relation; Allah will cut His mercy from him...

“Who so ever performs a recommended prayer in this month Allah will keep the fire of Hell away from him...

“Whoever performs an obligator prayer Allah will reward him with seventy prayers [worth] in this month.

“And who so ever prays a lot during this month will have his load lightened on the day of measure.

“He who recites one verse of the holy Quran will be given the rewards of reciting the hole Qur’an during other months.

“O People! Indeed during this month the doors of heaven are open, therefore ask Allah not to close them for you; The doors of hell are closed, so ask Allah to keep them closed for you. During this month Shaytan (Saten) is imprisoned so ask your Lord not to let him have power over you.”

Source: http://www.al-islam.org/supplications-month-ramadhan/sermon-given-prophet-s-last-friday-shaban-reception-month-ramadhan

(btw, this was an excellent source in general for Ramadhan; please take a look)

Eltemase dua (plz keep me in your duas :) )

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