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To my knowledge, Mr. Khamenei has had some speeches about people of Afghanistan and Pakistan:

 

حضرت آيت الله خامنه اى ملت افغانستان را ملتى بشدت پايبند دين اسلام، استقلال طلب - ضد بيگانه و برخوردار از استعدادهاى فراوان دانستند و افزودند: امريكايى ها بعلت ناتوانى در درك فرهنگ عميق ملت افغانستان فكر مى كنند در اين كشور جاى پايى پيدا كرده اند اما بدون شك ملت افغانستان سرانجام هويت ملى و عزت شايسته خويش را بدست خواهد آورد و بر سرنوشت خود كاملاً حاكم خواهد شد. (1383)

 

رهبر انقلاب اسلامی با اشاره به روحیه سلحشوری مردم افغانستان در مقابل بیگانگان و اشغالگران، افزودند: ایستادگی که مردم افغانستان از خود، در مقابل شوروی سابق بعنوان یکی از دو ابرقدرت آن زمان نشان دادند، در طول تاریخ کم نظیر است. (1390)

 

ايشان در تبيين مواضع و اقدامات غيرمنطقي دولتمردان امريكايي و دولتهاي غربيِ دنباله رو آنها، به بيان نمونه هاي عيني پرداختند و افزودند: آنها ادعا مي كنند كه متعهد به حقوق بشر هستند و پرچم حقوق بشر را در دنيا بلند كرده اند، اما در عمل بيشترين ضربه را به حقوق بشر مي زنند و با فجايعي نظير گوانتانامو و ابوغريب و كشتار مردم افغانستان و پاكستان بيشترين اهانتها را به حقوق انسانها مي كنند. (1391)

 

با قلبى سرشار از حمد و سپاس خداوند و با اميدى بى‌پايان به فضل و رحمت الهى، پيروزى درخشان ملت مسلمان و شجاع و فداكار افغانستان را به همه‌ى آن ملت عزيز، مخصوصاً به آنان كه در طول اين جهاد مستمر، در صحنه‌هاى رزم بى‌امان با دشمن متجاوز، جان خود يا عزيزانشان را در معرض خطرها گذارده و مشقات وصف‌ناپذير آن دوران طولانى را تحمل كرده‌اند، و نيز به خانواده‌هاى محترم شهيدان عالى‌قدر آن جهاد خونين، صميمانه تبريك و تهنيت عرض مى‌كنم. (1371)

 

در ويتنام، آدم كشى كردند؛ در عراق دستگاه‌هاى امنيّتى و شركتهاى مزدور امنيّتى آنها مثل بلك واتر - كه من آن سال اشاره كردم -(۱۱) جنايت كردند؛ در پاكستان با هواپيماهاى بدون سرنشين هنوز دارند جنايت ميكنند؛ در افغانستان بمباران ميكنند و جنايت ميكنند؛ هر جايى كه دستشان برسد و منافعشان اقتضا كند، ايجاب كند، از جنايت اِبا ندارند (1392)

 

رهبر انقلاب کشتار و شکنجه مردم در ويتنام، عراق، پاکستان و افغانستان را يادآور شدند وافزودند: شکنجه هاي نفرت آور در گوانتانامو و ابوغريب هچيگاه از ياد ملتها نمي رود. (1392)

 

 

 

I am sorry that some of you Afghans have had unpleasant experiences in Iran. There are ignorant people everywhere. I hate their behavior towards Afghans as much as you do.

 

As to parks, I read somewhere that in Isfahan, during Noruz, some single Afghans had a conflict between each other (I read somewhere else that they danced in the public) in one of the parks and this made the families annoyed, so they were not allowed anymore to enter the parks. However, many Iranian citizens opposed this ban using the slogan "we are all Afghans".This is what I know and I don't know if the story is true or not (the police denied it). Anyway, in Tehran I have seen Afghans in parks specially in Eram Park.

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My Afghan friend from LA got told to leave the shrine of Imam Rida when she spoke Dari, but when she starts in English they apologize. If these were isolated incidents I would believe it's a minority. But all I have heard from Iranians is justifications.

 

 

It is sad to hear such stories. But who asked her to leave there and why? Every year many people from different nationalities go there and they speak in their own languages. I saw some women there talking in Arabic or other languages. Such bad behaviors can be seen from random ignorant people but this doesn't mean that Dari-speaking people are not allowed to visit the shrines. And still we can not say that the majority are racists because how many people misbehaved her? 1%? 2%? 10%?

 

Whenever we see that more than 50% of the people show racialistic behaviors then we can say that the majority are racists.

 

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Pathetic excuses from Iranians. I've heard them say it first hand.

"The Mongolian hoards attacked and pillaged us Persians, so WE have a right to oppress the Hazara people"

They almost sound like Pashtuns, except with an effeminate accent.

However, I do consider the possibility of there being Iranians that truely view the Hazaras as humans, so if any of youse read this, know that I dont intend to offend the small minority that you are.

 

 

You are a sad human being

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It was a joke about Iranians being mad at hazaras because of Genghis Khan. I doubt anybody in Iran thinks that as a reason

"The Hazara are Turko-Mongol. The Hazara are of predominantly Mongolian ethnic stock. They look like Mongolians and East Asians, but they share a cultural heritage with many of the Turkic peoples of Central Asia. Some scholars speculate that the Hazara are descendants of the warriors that flooded into Central Asia under the command of the infamous and brilliant leader, Ghengis Khan."

http://www.hazaranet.com/who.html

I love Hazara people. I found out about then after watching the Kite Runner, one of my favorite movies and books

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Many hazara would be offended by that, they claim to be the original settlers in Afghanistan. Although it is hard to believe.

 

Could you elaborate on that please?

Pathetic excuses from Iranians. I've heard them say it first hand.

"The Mongolian hoards attacked and pillaged us Persians, so WE have a right to oppress the Hazara people"

They almost sound like Pashtuns, except with an effeminate accent.

However, I do consider the possibility of there being Iranians that truely view the Hazaras as humans, so if any of youse read this, know that I dont intend to offend the small minority that you are.

 

Yes a minority few do hold that primitive look but I believe they are just excuses. Why? Because Turks & Mongols are sister nations and Ayatollah Khamenei is a Turk. Turks are a major part of Iran.

It was a joke about Iranians being mad at hazaras because of Genghis Khan. I doubt anybody in Iran thinks that as a reason

"The Hazara are Turko-Mongol. The Hazara are of predominantly Mongolian ethnic stock. They look like Mongolians and East Asians, but they share a cultural heritage with many of the Turkic peoples of Central Asia. Some scholars speculate that the Hazara are descendants of the warriors that flooded into Central Asia under the command of the infamous and brilliant leader, Ghengis Khan."

http://www.hazaranet.com/who.html

I love Hazara people. I found out about then after watching the Kite Runner, one of my favorite movies and books

 

Lots of stereotypes.

Where do you think this guy is from?

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or this girl

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or this guy

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Could you elaborate on that please?

 

 

 

Well, Hazara only make up a very small portion of Afghanistan, the percentage is in single numbers, it is hard to believe that an entire population can be wiped out by foreign nomads (as you claim pashtons were). Also Afghanistan's history is muddled up, very hard to determine who was who.

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feel like osolonor now ughhhhhhh


Well, Hazara only make up a very small portion of Afghanistan, the percentage is in single numbers, it is hard to believe that an entire population can be wiped out by foreign nomads (as you claim pashtons were). Also Afghanistan's history is muddled up, very hard to determine who was who.

 

So few (2+) millions in Iran, at least another 2 million in Kabul make for 4 million. From a population of 25 million it alone makes for well over 18 percent- double digit.

And who talked about nomads wiping out and where did I say such a thing? Refresh my memory please.

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feel like osolonor now ughhhhhhh

 

So few (2+) millions in Iran, at least another 2 million in Kabul make for 4 million. From a population of 25 million it alone makes for well over 18 percent- double digit.

And who talked about nomads wiping out and where did I say such a thing? Refresh my memory please.

Well, I don't know about those digits, there hasn't been a proper census to find out how many hazara there are. 

 

However the claim is that the Hazara were original settlers in Afghanistan then they became weak and power was taken by pastoens who massacred Hazaras.

 

which is why it is hard to believe. that the original settlers can fall to below 10% and nomads can become over 60% of Afghanistan.

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It wouldn't be unheard of is all I'm saying, especially since many Afghans depend on heroin growing and smuggling for their livelihoods. 

 

This is got to go down as STUPIDEST post in ShiaChat..... ever.

Hazara shias are one of the very devout religious groups in one of the most devout countries of the world. Heroin and heroin related activities are deemed Haram by marjas like Ayatollah Fayaz or Ayatollah Kabuli and just about very other religious figure. Heroin cultivation, production, and transportation happen outside Hazara areas and away from Hazara people 99.9999999 percent of the time.

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Are you serious?

Yes, 

Well, I don't know about those digits, there hasn't been a proper census to find out how many hazara there are. 

 

However the claim is that the Hazara were original settlers in Afghanistan then they became weak and power was taken by pastoens who massacred Hazaras.

 

which is why it is hard to believe. that the original settlers can fall to below 10% and nomads can become over 60% of Afghanistan.

 

Saddam and Mubarak also used to win their elections with 99 percent of the votes. When you have power you can create numbers.

 

Its funny how you sound so sure about Hazaras being lower than 10 percent when you yourself admit that 'there has not been a census and no way to find out how many hazaras are there'

What we need is moral support, which Iran gives, but anything more than that is only going to make things worse for the Shias not improve or help them. In that sense, I agree with Iran's lack of active political involvement in the said countries.

 

I believe Iran is very active in those countries...specially specially in Afghanistan. And it is strictly for its own interests. When big billboards of Ayt. Khomenei (ra) or Ayt. Khamenei are all over West Kabul and paid for by the embassy of Iran one cant help but see it as an active political involvement. Jerusalem Day where the poor sect of the shia community is invited for lunch and then on a march with big posters of the aforementioned individuals is also a very active political involvement. Hazaras are very religious and Iran is the source of religious everything. It uses this fact prudently but also unfairly to preserve its own interests. 

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Why is this a surprise?  What kind of an idiot would actually believe that shia interests supersede nationalist or regime self interests?  And why is it a surprise that certain groups are discriminated against?  What is Iran supposed to be? Some multicultural paradise? It's amazing how some of the staunchest and most passionate IRI supporters are Pakistani's.  

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Yes, 

 

Saddam and Mubarak also used to win their elections with 99 percent of the votes. When you have power you can create numbers.

 

Its funny how you sound so sure about Hazaras being lower than 10 percent when you yourself admit that 'there has not been a census and no way to find out how many hazaras are there'

below ten percent is what most of Afghans agree on including hazaras, they barely exist, I am also from a Hazara community btw, they all agree its lower than 10% of course there are some people who try saying that 25% is hazara in Afghanistan.

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It's amazing how some of the staunchest and most passionate IRI supporters are Pakistani's.  

Exactly, you find many Afghans the same. Many fought in the Iran Vs Iraq war. Yet, their shuhada were put as shuhada gomnam, "The unknown martyrs". 

 

below ten percent is what most of Afghans agree on including hazaras, they barely exist, I am also from a Hazara community btw, they all agree its lower than 10% of course there are some people who try saying that 25% is hazara in Afghanistan.

You are completely wrong here. I don't know where do you take your information from. According to the most recent US countries studies, it estimates the population of Hazaras as of 1996 to be, 18%. Besides that many other sources, confirm it to be around19%. http://www.hazara.net/downloads/docs/Politics_and_Modern_History-of_Hazaras-Humayun_Sarabi.pdf 

 

Now lets take that 18%. Don't forget the massacre of shias during the time of Abdurahman Khan (May Allah curse him and burn him in hellfire), which wiped out 62% of the Hazaras. After doing some calculations, that would give, the population of Hazaras to be 47%, if the shia-Hazara massacre had not taken place. So that would mean that early on, Hazaras did have a very substantial population in Afghanistan. 

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below ten percent is what most of Afghans agree on including hazaras, they barely exist, I am also from a Hazara community btw, they all agree its lower than 10% of course there are some people who try saying that 25% is hazara in Afghanistan.

 

And where did you meet 'most people' that agree on 10%? Since when the population of a community is determined by consensus? And no you are not Hazara.

10% of 25 million makes for 2.5 Million. The population of Hazaras in Iran alone around that number. End of the day its the word of those you have meet who admit that they are less than 10 percent and that of the UN or govt of Iran whose claims are not based on consensus but solid data. 

Kabul is also at times referred to the Shia capital of South Asia. thats hardly possible with 10% of the population.

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Wahdat:

 

There is a wiki site "afghans in Iran".

 

It says there were 2.8M in Iran in 1992, and in 2009 there were 1M.

 

Iran, like Pakistan, was flooded by refugees during the Soviet Invasion/Occupation.

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In 1992 the population of Afghanistan was also around 15 million. 

This figure of 6% or 10% are thrown around by the Saddams and Mubaraks of Afghanistan as means to justify usurpation of Hazara lands, exclusion from govt employment and other public services..... Whats worse is that the Sayids and other non-Hazara shias take those claims more serious than Ayas of Qurran as means of sucking up to the vested powers....some twisted form of taqqiyan imo.

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Well, I don't know about those digits, there hasn't been a proper census to find out how many hazara there are. 

 

However the claim is that the Hazara were original settlers in Afghanistan then they became weak and power was taken by pastoens who massacred Hazaras.

 

which is why it is hard to believe. that the original settlers can fall to below 10% and nomads can become over 60% of Afghanistan.

This is a continuation from my previous post.

 

Now lets take that 18%. Don't forget the massacre of shias during the time of Abdurahman Khan (May Allah curse him and burn him in hellfire), which wiped out 62% of the Hazaras. After doing some calculations, that would give, the population of Hazaras to be 47%, if the shia-Hazara massacre had not taken place. So that would mean that early on, Hazaras did have a very substantial population in Afghanistan. 

 

Well, even before Abdur-Rahman Khan's time, there were conflict between shias and Pushtons (who were the rulers). The Pushtons failed miserably in trying to infiltrate into Hazarajat. However, the big massacre only took place, when some shias  became traitors to the shia-Hazaras, and went for the golds that were promised by the Pushtons. 

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To my knowledge, Mr. Khamenei has had some speeches about people of Afghanistan and Pakistan:

 

حضرت آيت الله خامنه اى ملت افغانستان را ملتى بشدت پايبند دين اسلام، استقلال طلب - ضد بيگانه و برخوردار از استعدادهاى فراوان دانستند و افزودند: امريكايى ها بعلت ناتوانى در درك فرهنگ عميق ملت افغانستان فكر مى كنند در اين كشور جاى پايى پيدا كرده اند اما بدون شك ملت افغانستان سرانجام هويت ملى و عزت شايسته خويش را بدست خواهد آورد و بر سرنوشت خود كاملاً حاكم خواهد شد. (1383)

 

رهبر انقلاب اسلامی با اشاره به روحیه سلحشوری مردم افغانستان در مقابل بیگانگان و اشغالگران، افزودند: ایستادگی که مردم افغانستان از خود، در مقابل شوروی سابق بعنوان یکی از دو ابرقدرت آن زمان نشان دادند، در طول تاریخ کم نظیر است. (1390)

 

ايشان در تبيين مواضع و اقدامات غيرمنطقي دولتمردان امريكايي و دولتهاي غربيِ دنباله رو آنها، به بيان نمونه هاي عيني پرداختند و افزودند: آنها ادعا مي كنند كه متعهد به حقوق بشر هستند و پرچم حقوق بشر را در دنيا بلند كرده اند، اما در عمل بيشترين ضربه را به حقوق بشر مي زنند و با فجايعي نظير گوانتانامو و ابوغريب و كشتار مردم افغانستان و پاكستان بيشترين اهانتها را به حقوق انسانها مي كنند. (1391)

 

با قلبى سرشار از حمد و سپاس خداوند و با اميدى بى‌پايان به فضل و رحمت الهى، پيروزى درخشان ملت مسلمان و شجاع و فداكار افغانستان را به همه‌ى آن ملت عزيز، مخصوصاً به آنان كه در طول اين جهاد مستمر، در صحنه‌هاى رزم بى‌امان با دشمن متجاوز، جان خود يا عزيزانشان را در معرض خطرها گذارده و مشقات وصف‌ناپذير آن دوران طولانى را تحمل كرده‌اند، و نيز به خانواده‌هاى محترم شهيدان عالى‌قدر آن جهاد خونين، صميمانه تبريك و تهنيت عرض مى‌كنم. (1371)

 

در ويتنام، آدم كشى كردند؛ در عراق دستگاه‌هاى امنيّتى و شركتهاى مزدور امنيّتى آنها مثل بلك واتر - كه من آن سال اشاره كردم -(۱۱) جنايت كردند؛ در پاكستان با هواپيماهاى بدون سرنشين هنوز دارند جنايت ميكنند؛ در افغانستان بمباران ميكنند و جنايت ميكنند؛ هر جايى كه دستشان برسد و منافعشان اقتضا كند، ايجاب كند، از جنايت اِبا ندارند (1392)

 

رهبر انقلاب کشتار و شکنجه مردم در ويتنام، عراق، پاکستان و افغانستان را يادآور شدند وافزودند: شکنجه هاي نفرت آور در گوانتانامو و ابوغريب هچيگاه از ياد ملتها نمي رود. (1392)

 

 

 

I am sorry that some of you Afghans have had unpleasant experiences in Iran. There are ignorant people everywhere. I hate their behavior towards Afghans as much as you do.

 

As to parks, I read somewhere that in Isfahan, during Noruz, some single Afghans had a conflict between each other (I read somewhere else that they danced in the public) in one of the parks and this made the families annoyed, so they were not allowed anymore to enter the parks. However, many Iranian citizens opposed this ban using the slogan "we are all Afghans".This is what I know and I don't know if the story is true or not (the police denied it). Anyway, in Tehran I have seen Afghans in parks specially in Eram Park.

 

Finally, someone who doesn't turn a blind eye to the racism that takes place in Iran.

 

The sheikh in our local mosque, Sydney, has recently came from Qom, Iran. He is a Hawza Lecturer in Qom, whom was invited to Sydney for Ramadhan. He says, "A very weak point of Iranians, are that they ignore their weakness and turn a blind eye towards it."

 

This is so true, considering that the iranian government is doing nothing to battle racism in their country. Instead, putting on laws and restrictions which promotes it, such as: not allowing them in some Parks, on which case, a Tehran university lecturer strongly condemned it in his writings, or the restriction of citizenship of a child born from Iranian mother and Afghan father, or deporting men who doesn't have the residential card, while their family is in Iran. In some cases, the men and their family couldn't get reunion for many many years. 

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i dont know much about Afghanistan but i can say with complete surety that representatives of Rehbar syed Ali khamenei (HA) in pakistan is working on several projects.

That includes education,welfare and different religious projects etc.

 

The problem is,people dont understand the position of Rehbar when it comes to the people of pakistan.We (shias) have no friend here in pakistan(i am talking about major stake holders).we have not played any role in our national politics.we always like to be victims.

What we need is awareness and progress of society and shia nation as a whole.

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Lol the brother meant kashmiri, Khomeini isn't originally from Iran.

Yes he is, his father migrated to kashmir/india from iran. So they are iranian and they moved back.

This he is indian thing is some lie people keep saying, specially the exiled iranians.

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Yes he is, his father migrated to kashmir/india from iran. So they are iranian and they moved back.

Well, my ancestors came to Afghanistan through Iran, you can't call me Iranian now can you?

 

Its about where Khomeini was born

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