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Rank Of Ambiya'a Is Greater That 12 Imams, Right?

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(bismillah)

 

Salam Muslims :)

 

I was very worried when I made this post, I searched for it on the internet..  I found this one reference from Qur'aan Hakeem

 

http://quran.com/2/124

 

And [mention, O Muhammad], when Abraham was tried by his Lord with commands and he fulfilled them. [ Allah ] said, "Indeed, I will make you a leader for the people." [Abraham] said, "And of my descendants?" [ Allah ] said, "My covenant does not include the wrongdoers." Qur'aan (2:124)

 

by this Ayat, my frnd misunderstood that the rank of 12 Imams is greater than Ambiya'a because in this Ayat, Allah Congratulates Ibrahim (A.S.) that Allah will Promote Him as Imam-un-Naas (Linnas-i-Imama)... here is the real thing... Here Allah Promoted Ibrahim as Imam of All Humanity (Linnas = Nas = All Humans) not only of Momins, but our 12 Imams(our  Leaders after Prophet Muhammad (A.S.) ) are only Imams of Muslims.. there is a whole lot differences between The Orders to Muslims and Orders to all humans by Allah.. just like before the Hijrat-e-Madina, Allah Addressed the people as "Ya-Ayyuhan-Naasu", Meaning to Address all the Humans including Muslims and Non-Muslims.... but after Hijrat, He started to Address as "Ya-Ayyuhal-Lazeena-Aamanu".... after Hijrat there were Orders like Zakat, Usher, Namaz, Roza etc but before Hijrat there were Orders like Tauheed, Iman etc to tell the Muslims the Orders is easy compared to telling all the humanity their Orders... and a difficult task is given to a more authentic person.... so the thing is that Imam of All Humanity is Leader of All Humanity and is Greater compared to Leader of Muslims, simply to say that, the Rank and Rutba of Ambiya'a is greater compared to 12 Imams of Muslims.. I hope that there is no confusion now :) May Allah make me and all of us His Grateful Servants... May Allah mold me and all of us towards the right path, Path of Muhammad (A.S.), Path of Ali (A.S.)... Amen

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The prophets, imams, and divine apostles all have specific ranks and statuses in our teachings, and the superiority of the imams over all other prophets except Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is something that can be proven. Here, we will point to some of the reasons for this claim:

 

1- The rank of imamate is higher than that of prophethood; regarding Prophet Ibrahim (pbuh), the Quran says: “وَ إِذِ ابْتَلى‏ إِبْراهیمَ رَبُّهُ بِکَلِماتٍ فَأَتَمَّهُنَّ قالَ إِنِّی جاعِلُکَ لِلنَّاسِ إِماماً قالَ وَ مِنْ ذُرِّیَّتی‏ قالَ لا یَنالُ عَهْدِی الظَّالِمینَ”. [1]

 

Allamah Tabatabai interprets this verse like this: “Towards the end of his life, after passing many hard exams, Prophet Ibrahim (pbuh) reached the level of imamate, although he had it before, but at the same time didn’t bear the capacity necessary for it.” [2]

 

2- The imam (as) is one who guides with a divine entity he bears. In essence, imamate is an authority and impact that the imam has regarding the actions of the people. His guidance isn't like that of the prophets; the prophets only advise and preach, while the imam’s guidance is to actually take the hand of his followers and help them reach the straight path. [3]

 

3- Prophet Isa (pbuh), which was one of the five highest prophets (Ulul-Azm) bearing prophethood, will return during the time of Imam Mahdi (aj) and will follow him in prayer. [4]

 

In order to explain how such a matter is possible, one must say that according to the rules of the Quran and tradition, and philosophical and gnostic rules, which are actually an explanation and interpretation of the secrets that lie in the Quran and tradition, it is possible for a person who bears the truths and secrets of the names of Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì, but doesn’t bear prophethood, which is only a legislative rank (a rank in which allows one to legislate religious law), to be ahead of a prophet and be his guide; like the person who bears the rank of being judge, his decision has credibility and it is he who gives the final verdict, nevertheless, this rank is temporary and can always be taken away. On the other hand, there might be someone next to him that isn't a formal judge, but is more learned and has more virtues than him. Therefore, although Prophet Isa (pbuh) is a prophet and bears a legislative or tashri’i rank, thus being higher than the imam from this perspective, but the imam has generative or takwini authority which the prophet (pbuh) doesn’t, making him higher than him, although he is one of the great Ulul-Azm prophets. [5] The fact that Prophet Musa (pbuh) followed Khidhr (pbuh) is good proof of this matter. The Quran has pointed to this event in some of its verses. These verses disclose that Prophet Musa (pbuh), who had his own religion and also bore the ranks of prophethood and imamate and was known as Kalimullah (the one who spoke with Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì), went to a servant of Allah’s ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì who had been taught divine knowledge, but had no religion and no book, and asked him if he (Prophet Musa (pbuh)) could accompany and learn from him. Khidhr tells him that he (Prophet Musa) doesn’t have the tolerance needed to accompany him, and later scolds him harshly saying: “Didn’t I tell you that you can't accompany me?!”, and scolds him afterwards even harsher saying: “You can't stay with me anymore!”. [6]

 

4- “The Great Name” of Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì consists of seventy three “letters” in which Asef ibn Barqiya knew of one, Prophet Isa (pbuh) knew of two, Prophet Musa (pbuh) knew of four, Prophet Ibrahim (pbuh) knew of eight, Prophet Nuh (pbuh) knew of fifteen, Prophet Adam (pbuh) knew of twenty five and Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) knew of seventy two of them in which he passed on to the imams after him. [7]

 

5- All of the things that the prophets had, such as the Prophet Musa’s (pbuh) staff, were in the possession of the imams and are now in the possession of Imam Mahdi (as). [8]

 

6- The imams (as) share all of that which the prophet of Islam (pbuh) had, except for being prophet. The great prophet of Islam (pbuh) says to Imam Ali (as): “You see what I see, hear what I hear, the only difference being that you aren't a prophet.” [9] [10] Imam Hasan (as) says: “None of the previous prophets have fallen ahead of any of the imams in any virtue, other than the virtue of prophethood.” [11]

 

Therefore, just as the prophet of Islam (pbuh) is higher than all other prophets, the infallible imams the Shia follow are all higher than them as well, other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), the seal of the prophets.

 

[1] Baqarah:124.

[2] Seyyid Mohammad Baqir Musavi Hamedani, Translation of Tafsir Al-Mizan, vol. 1, pg. 405.

[3] Ibid, pg., 411.

[4] Majlisi, Biharul-Anwar (translation of Davani), pg. 167.

[5] Hasan Hasanzadeh Amoli, Ensane Kamel az Didgahe Nahjul-Balagheh, pg. 84.

[6] Kahf:60-82.

[7] With help from Question 3218 (website: 3665).

[8] Kuleini, Usul Kafi (translation of Kamare’i), vol. 2, pg. 215.

[9] Seyyid Radhiyy, Nahjul-Balaghah, sermon 192 (Qase’ah).

[10] Hasan Hasanzadeh Amoli, Ensane Kamel az Didgahe Nahjul-Balaghahi, pg. 80.

[11] Mas’udi, Murujul-Dhahab, vol. 1, pg. 341.

 

 

http://www.islamquest.net/en/archive/question/fa6067

 

Imamate vs Prophethood Part1

Imamate vs PRophethood Part2

 

(wasalam)

Edited by PureEthics

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According to certain narrations, the very reason the ulil azm prophets were granted that station was due to being the hastiest in accepting the wilayat of ameer al momineen (as).

Either way, the vast majority of present scholars consider the pure progeny to be superior in terms of rank, dignity and closeness to Allah to all creation with the exception of the holy prophet (s.a.w.s)

Wish y'all a Successfull and blessed ramadan.

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Dar'ul Islam.. I think discussion about Islam and concepts of Islam is right no matter which Muslim are we talking to, Shia Muslim or Sunni Muslim, and no matter where are we talking about it, given that a place where people like to talk about Islam... if this forum is specifically for Shias and Shia beliefs, then I dont see the reason why during the registration process are we asked our religion, then other religion followers shouldnt be allowed here either... I believe that one should gather knowledge from anywhere possible.. this was no where near to disagreement or agreement between sects.. this was about the conceptual mistake many used to make.. I follow "Amar-Bil-Ma'aroof Wa Nahi-A'ani-l-Munkar" that if I see any fellow Muslim in any conceptual mistake then I must help him correct it if possible so that in Makafat-e-Amal, if I am at any conceptual mistake (May Allah keep me on the right path and show me the Light) then someone who cares about fellow Muslims helps me correct my mistake.. there was no politics at all behind this post, this was as simple as written.. I do not lie Alhamdulillah :) May Allah Guide us all to the Light.. Ameen

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(bismillah)

 

 

 

Brother, I don't think you understood my post and I, personally, am having difficulty understanding your post.

 

My post was upon the assumption that you are trying to learn about Twelver Imami Shiism. With that in mind, these secondary and tertiary topics - meaning those topics not to do with the core differences between the two sects (because your posts as of late tend be trying to understand the two sects and their differences) - are not as important in this context. The secondary and tertiary concepts won't make sense or be understood properly unless one grasps those basic and fundamental differences first.

 

في أمان الله

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Hello,

 

Where does this desire to "rank" religious figures come from? 

 

And, PureEthics, your post left me baffled.  If there were verses from the Qur'an sited in your post please point them out.

 

To be honest, it sounds like a "my Daddy can beat up your Daddy" argument between children.

 

In my opinion, our closeness to God, supposing there are degrees of closeness which I question, will be determined by our actions.  Not what title we held or who our supposed ancestors are.

 

All the Best,

David

Edited by David66

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Hello,

 

Where does this desire to "rank" religious figures come from? 

 

And, PureEthics, your post left me baffled.  If there were verses from the Qur'an sited in your post please point them out.

 

To be honest, it sounds like a "my Daddy can beat up your Daddy" argument between children.

 

In my opinion, our closeness to God, supposing there are degrees of closeness which I question, will be determined by our actions.  Not what title we held or who our supposed ancestors are.

 

All the Best,

David

We all descend from Adam.

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