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The Oppression Of Sayeda Faatima (S.a.) Part Vii-I

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Salam,       Read here: http://www.revisitingthesalaf.org/2014/06/the-oppression-of-sayeda-faatima-sa_2037.html

Who cares what works with you or not. This is the case, your stance regarding this incident is utterly insignificant

(salam)   From what I'm seeing to be honest, the discussion in this thread has slowly turned into personal insults and emotional rants being thrown back and forth from each side with nothing construct

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Accusing me of having the blood of a nasibi & quoting me the words of shawkani who was an ex shia & grew in godi of yemeni rulers? sadqay jaon teray reference pe! written in nayl al awtar that it is written in al-bahr that someone should not be accused of being a rebel or else it would be....... inside the mosque. ullu ka patha na ho to!!

 

 

#copypaste #shiapen #chapter6 #doobmaro

 

 

 

 

LOL...o tukhm-e-na tahqeeq, aaj Shokani jaisa scholar bhi bekr hogya. Wah !!

 

 

 

 

 

 

According to ibn taymiyya abu bakr never harmed saad bin ubayda.

 

 

 

That it self is sufficient to prove his Nasb !!! By the way it also proves that the picture was not as rosy as painted by nawasib and not all sahaba were happy with the caliphate of abu bakar. 

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Salam,

 

 

 

In This Section - This Article Will Cover:

  • The Sunnah of The Companions And Its Hostile Implications
  • The Gathering of Wood At The House of Sayeda Faatima (s.a)
  • Umar Threatens To Burn The House Of Sayeda Faatima (s.a)
  • The Breaking Of Zubayrs Sword
  • Why Did Imam Alee (a.s) Not Declare War Against The Usurpers?
  • Was Imam Alee (a.s) A Coward?
  • Prophet Muhammad (saw) Did Not Intervene While The Family Of Ammar Ibn Yassir (r.a) Were Tortured
  • The Attack On Uthman Ibn Affan's House And Molestation Of His Wife
  • The Existence of Hadhrat Mohsin (a.s)
  • Mohsin (a.s) Dies At Birth
  • Confession of Aboo Bakr and Umar Ibn Al-Khattab
  • Scholars Who Endorsed The Attack On Sayeda Faatima's (s.a) House

 

 

Read here: http://www.revisitingthesalaf.org/2014/06/the-oppression-of-sayeda-faatima-sa_2037.html

 

(bismillah)

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And as expected, they have not addressed Ibn Taymiyyah's [Imam al Nawasib] statement where he admits the incident occurred.

 

 

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I have been ignoring this mockery by u & rest of the members just because of ramadhan kareem but u on the other hand are a hard ass!

 

 

i havent seen anyone even a bit more ignorant like u akhi haidar aka thaqalayn. 

 

 

 

 

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The answer: The attack (against Abu Bakr) is not acceptable unless this narration is sahih [accompanied by an authentic chain,

 

 

 

 

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and unless the text of this narration proves explicitly the accusation (of Fatimah being attacked), if either if these two are missing, then this accusation is rejected, so how then (can we accept it) when both are missing?  and we know with certainty, that Abu Bakr never harmed `Ali or al-Zubayr at all, he never even caused any harm to Sa`d bin `Ubadah who refrained from giving him a Bay`ah throughout his reign.

 

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The most that has been argued: Is that he searched the house for any of Allah's money so he may divide it and give it to those deserving of it, but then (before his death) he realized that if he had left them the money it wouldn't be an issue since it's permissible for them to recieve from the money of Fay'.

 

 

As for causing them any harm, this is completely false according to the people of knowledge and religion. These narrations are only reported by ignorants and liars and the only ones believing them are the dumbest of humankind, those who say: "The companions demolished Fatimah's house and caused her miscarriage."

 

These are all fabricated accusations and malicious lies by consensus of the people of Islam, the ones who advertise such stories are wild beasts. [end quote]

 

 

 

 

 

 

So he gives his decision in the very beginning,  he said both the chain is not Sahih and the text is not an argument.

 

 

 

I am not going to debate with u (Imam al kazibeen) anymore cuz i havent seen a shameless guy who not only embarrasses himself but his other members as well. 

 

 

 

LOL...o tukhm-e-na tahqeeq, aaj Shokani jaisa scholar bhi bekr hogya. Wah !!

 

 

 

 

 

 

That it self is sufficient to prove his Nasb !!! By the way it also proves that the picture was not as rosy as painted by nawasib and not all sahaba were happy with the caliphate of abu bakar. 

 

 

 

aale saba ki pedawaar!  Fadhlullah, Khalisi aur Dhakoo jese log hmaray haan b mojud hain aur. tum logo ne na to kabhi khush hona hai & na kisi ko khush rehnay dena hai. Rona aur matam krna he likha hai tmhara taqdeer mai. Is jahan mai b aur aglay mai b InshAllah

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aale saba ki pedawaar!  

 

Ooops..lagta hai hasb o nasab chair kar dukhti ragg par haath rakhdia main nay :P Talking of Ibn Saba then lemme show you some of your beloved ancestors (sahaba and tabayeen) who were adherents of you Ibn Saba :)

 

Whilst discussing Abdullah Ibn Saba, one of the greatest Salafi scholar Uthman al-Khamis of the modern era made the following admission in his book Hoqba min al-Tarikh, pages 130 -131:
 
And his advocates who contributed in spreading his doctrine were al-Ghafeqi bin Harb, Abdulrahman bin Udays al-Balawi [sAHABI], Kanana bin Bashr, Sawdan bin Hamran, Abdullah bin Zayd bin Warqa, Amr bin Hamiq al-Khuzai [sAHABI], Harqous bin Zuhair, Hakim bin Jabala, Qateera al-Sakooni and others.
Hoqba min al-Tarikh,pages 130 -131
 
In fact Sahabi like that of Ammar Yasir (ra) has not been spared by you people from the accusation that he also became follower of Abdullah Ibn Sabba.  Ibn Khaldun proudly names yet another follower of Abdullah Ibn Saba. We read in his Tarikh:
 
 وتأخر عمار بن ياسر بمصر واستماله ابن السوداء وأصحابه خالد بن ملجم وسودان بن حمران وكنانة بن بشر
 
 Ammar bin Yasir was late in returning from Egypt thus Ibn al-Sawda (Abdullah ibn Saba) attracted him along with his companions Khalid bin Muljim, Sawdan bin Hamran, and Kanana bin Beshr.
 
So i can understand your 'tarap' and 'baytaabi' and frustration since you can only accuse Shias of being follower of Abdullah Ibn Saba but cannot substantiate the claim on the contrary it is proved from yuor own books that the sahaba and tabayeen you admire where themsevles followers of Ibn Saba :)
Fadhlullah, Khalisi aur Dhakoo jese log hmaray haan b mojud hain aur.
 

 

 

Coming back to Shawkani thing, since your ignorance knows no bounds therefore i shall apprise you that his books are being taught in maddrassas such high is his stature. In fiqh, his book 'Nail al Awtar' is taught and in Usool his book 'Irshad al Fuhul' is taught only then a hardcore Nasibi/Salafi appears from a maddrassa. He is consdiered as 'Imam' in your Nasibi/Salafi cult. Shaokani is even counted among the lights of Imam Ahmed, Imam Malik etc. We read in  Al-Subh al-Shareq, by Yehya al-Hujuri, p135
 
فأيها أهدى بالله كتب الإمام أحمد بن حنبل والإمام البخاري والإمام الشافعي والإمام البربَهاري والإمام اللالكائي والإمام أبي عمرو الداني والإمام ابن قتيبة والإمام الدارمي والإمام مالك وشيخ الإسلام ابن تيمية وشيخ الإسلام ابن القيم والإمام محمد بن إسماعيل الأمير الصنعاني والإمام الشوكاني رحمهم الله وأمثال هؤلاء أم تلك الكتب الحركية لفتحي يكن وأمثاله؟
 
who are leading to guidance to Allah, the books of Imam Ahmed bin Hanbal, Imam Bukhari, Imam Shafeei, Imam Barbahari, imam Lalekaei, Imam Abu Amr al-Dani, Imam ibn Qutaiba, Imam Daremi, Imam Malik, Sheikhul islam ibn Taymia, Sheikhul islam Ibn Qaym, Imam Mohamed bin Ismail al-Amir al-Sanaani and Imam Shawkani may Allah's mercy be upon them, or those books which are written by Fatehi Yakan and those who are his likes?
 
 
Majmo Fatawa ibn Baz, by Ibn Baz and Mohamed Shou'aeir, v1 p355
 
العلامة الكبير الشيخ محمد بن علي الشوكاني
The Allahmah al Kabeer Al Sheikh Mohamed bin Ali Shawkani
 
 
Mosoat al-Albani fi al-Aqida, by Albani and Shadi al-Noman, v4 p245
 
إمام من أئمة المسلمين، ألا وهو محمد بن علي الشوكاني
Imam among the Imams of the Muslims, he is Mohamed bin Ali Shawkani
 
 As for his being former Shia (actually an ex-Zaidi) then its provides no apportunity to an igorant like you to get rid of his works, at least for you Salaifs, because the Salafi cult itself is like an intruder into the religion of Islam and does not have any chain of knowledge (unlike Shias or Sufis), prominent names of your Salafi cult were not born-Salafies rather they converted to this cult in later part of their lives eg Ibn Tamiyah, Abdul Wahab etc
 
 
 tum logo ne na to kabhi khush hona hai & na kisi ko khush rehnay dena hai. Rona aur matam krna he likha hai tmhara taqdeer mai. Is jahan mai b aur aglay mai b InshAllah

 

Inshallah, matam e Hussain is dunia main bhi hoga aur agli duniya main bhi , inshallah aur har tukhm e na tahqeeq o tukhm e muawiya kay seenay jalatay rehega. By the way, Rasulallah (s) ki death par kabhi amaaan jaan ka rona aur apnay chahray ko peeetna bhi dekhlo aur poocho kay amaan kia takleef hai shia kion ban gayi ho :P Furthermore, as per Shaykh Addul Qadir Jilani, seventy thousand angels have been deployed by Allah for weeping for Imam Hussain (as), thus it should not worry you if we Shias likewise indulge in this act. Moreover, Hakeem al Ummat of Deoband school namely Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi is quoted to have stated in Imdad al Fatawa, v5 p 273 that incident of kabala is of such a nature that even if entire creation (human beings, jins, angels, animals etc) keep on weeping till qamayah still it is insufficient, to quote his actual words:

 

 

واقعہ کربلا اس قابل ھے کہ اگر تمام زمین،آسمان،حوریں،  فرشتے، انسان، جنات، جمادات،نباتات، اور حیوانات قیامت تک بھی یہ کہ کر روتے رہیں:

صبت علی مصائب لو انھا : صبت علی الایام صرن لیالیا :

تب بھی تھوڑا ھے

 

To qayamat tak rona to farishton, jin aur hoor etc ki taqdeer main bhi hai :)

 

(For those who didnt grasp some part of the post, this thick nasibi taunted that its in our fate that we keep weeping in this world and the hereafter and cant remain happy to which i have cited couple of examples).

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Ooops..lagta hai hasb o nasab chair kar dukhti ragg par haath rakhdia main nay :P Talking of Ibn Saba then lemme show you some of your beloved ancestors (sahaba and tabayeen) who were adherents of you Ibn Saba :)

 

Whilst discussing Abdullah Ibn Saba, one of the greatest Salafi scholar Uthman al-Khamis of the modern era made the following admission in his book Hoqba min al-Tarikh, pages 130 -131:
 
And his advocates who contributed in spreading his doctrine were al-Ghafeqi bin Harb, Abdulrahman bin Udays al-Balawi [sAHABI], Kanana bin Bashr, Sawdan bin Hamran, Abdullah bin Zayd bin Warqa, Amr bin Hamiq al-Khuzai [sAHABI], Harqous bin Zuhair, Hakim bin Jabala, Qateera al-Sakooni and others.
Hoqba min al-Tarikh,pages 130 -131
 
In fact Sahabi like that of Ammar Yasir (ra) has not been spared by you people from the accusation that he also became follower of Abdullah Ibn Sabba.  Ibn Khaldun proudly names yet another follower of Abdullah Ibn Saba. We read in his Tarikh:
 
 وتأخر عمار بن ياسر بمصر واستماله ابن السوداء وأصحابه خالد بن ملجم وسودان بن حمران وكنانة بن بشر
 
 Ammar bin Yasir was late in returning from Egypt thus Ibn al-Sawda (Abdullah ibn Saba) attracted him along with his companions Khalid bin Muljim, Sawdan bin Hamran, and Kanana bin Beshr.
 
So i can understand your 'tarap' and 'baytaabi' and frustration since you can only accuse Shias of being follower of Abdullah Ibn Saba but cannot substantiate the claim on the contrary it is proved from yuor own books that the sahaba and tabayeen you admire where themsevles followers of Ibn Saba :)

 

 

Who are these sahaba mentioned by Uthman khamis? Have u any idea? Next time just post the link instead of ur usual copy paste habit.

 

 

#shiapen #Besharam #laanti

 

 

 

 

Coming back to Shawkani thing, since your ignorance knows no bounds therefore i shall apprise you that his books are being taught in maddrassas such high is his stature. In fiqh, his book 'Nail al Awtar' is taught and in Usool his book 'Irshad al Fuhul' is taught only then a hardcore Nasibi/Salafi appears from a maddrassa. He is consdiered as 'Imam' in your Nasibi/Salafi cult. Shaokani is even counted among the lights of Imam Ahmed, Imam Malik etc. We read in  Al-Subh al-Shareq, by Yehya al-Hujuri, p135
 
فأيها أهدى بالله كتب الإمام أحمد بن حنبل والإمام البخاري والإمام الشافعي والإمام البربَهاري والإمام اللالكائي والإمام أبي عمرو الداني والإمام ابن قتيبة والإمام الدارمي والإمام مالك وشيخ الإسلام ابن تيمية وشيخ الإسلام ابن القيم والإمام محمد بن إسماعيل الأمير الصنعاني والإمام الشوكاني رحمهم الله وأمثال هؤلاء أم تلك الكتب الحركية لفتحي يكن وأمثاله؟
 
who are leading to guidance to Allah, the books of Imam Ahmed bin Hanbal, Imam Bukhari, Imam Shafeei, Imam Barbahari, imam Lalekaei, Imam Abu Amr al-Dani, Imam ibn Qutaiba, Imam Daremi, Imam Malik, Sheikhul islam ibn Taymia, Sheikhul islam Ibn Qaym, Imam Mohamed bin Ismail al-Amir al-Sanaani and Imam Shawkani may Allah's mercy be upon them, or those books which are written by Fatehi Yakan and those who are his likes?
 
 
Majmo Fatawa ibn Baz, by Ibn Baz and Mohamed Shou'aeir, v1 p355
 
العلامة الكبير الشيخ محمد بن علي الشوكاني
The Allahmah al Kabeer Al Sheikh Mohamed bin Ali Shawkani
 
 
Mosoat al-Albani fi al-Aqida, by Albani and Shadi al-Noman, v4 p245
 
إمام من أئمة المسلمين، ألا وهو محمد بن علي الشوكاني
Imam among the Imams of the Muslims, he is Mohamed bin Ali Shawkani
 
 As for his being former Shia (actually an ex-Zaidi) then its provides no apportunity to an igorant like you to get rid of his works, 
 

 

 

If that is the case than im afraid u'll have to follow all ur GREAT scholars on the issue of tahreef. Kulayni's Al Kafi, Majlisi's Bihar ul anwar, Ali ibn ibrahim al qummi's Tafseer qummi, Tusi's two main books of hadith, Sheikh Mufid & many more.... All of these scholars believed in tahreef of quran (whether of any kind). So i am pretty sure a douchebag like u is not in a position to disown the scholars i have mentioned. Either believe them or disown them. What will you do? Ab bata! TERA KYA HOGA KAALIYA?

 

 

at least for you Salaifs, because the Salafi cult itself is like an intruder into the religion of Islam and does not have any chain of knowledge (unlike Shias or Sufis), prominent names of your Salafi cult were not born-Salafies rather they converted to this cult in later part of their lives eg Ibn Tamiyah, Abdul Wahab etc

 

 

 

Tera damagh kharab hogya hai! Aik minority ko represent kar raha hai aur baatain dekh apni ... itna ooncha dekhnay ki adat na daal

 

 

 

Inshallah, matam e Hussain is dunia main bhi hoga aur agli duniya main bhi , inshallah aur har tukhm e na tahqeeq o tukhm e muawiya kay seenay jalatay rehega. By the way, Rasulallah (s) ki death par kabhi amaaan jaan ka rona aur apnay chahray ko peeetna bhi dekhlo aur poocho kay amaan kia takleef hai shia kion ban gayi ho :P Furthermore, as per Shaykh Addul Qadir Jilani, seventy thousand angels have been deployed by Allah for weeping for Imam Hussain (as), thus it should not worry you if we Shias likewise indulge in this act. Moreover, Hakeem al Ummat of Deoband school namely Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi is quoted to have stated in Imdad al Fatawa, v5 p 273 that incident of kabala is of such a nature that even if entire creation (human beings, jins, angels, animals etc) keep on weeping till qamayah still it is insufficient, to quote his actual words:

 

 

واقعہ کربلا اس قابل ھے کہ اگر تمام زمین،آسمان،حوریں،  فرشتے، انسان، جنات، جمادات،نباتات، اور حیوانات قیامت تک بھی یہ کہ کر روتے رہیں:

صبت علی مصائب لو انھا : صبت علی الایام صرن لیالیا :

تب بھی تھوڑا ھے

 

To qayamat tak rona to farishton, jin aur hoor etc ki taqdeer main bhi hai :)

 

 

 

G g bilkul sayydina Hussain  ra k naam par jo karobar aur blackmailing tum logo nai lagai hui hai woh sab ko pata hai. Sufi jinko tu neutral samajta hai woh b nafrat krtay hain tum logo se.

 

 

Khulfa e rashideen aur ummahat ul momineen par takfir krnay walay woh laanti jab kuttay ki maut martay hain to un ki shaklain b ni pechani jaati. to advice yehi hai k apnay ap ko durust kr. Ye shiapen se copy paste krnay ki adat chorday. aur kitni dafa be izzat hokar jaye ga?

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Who are these sahaba mentioned by Uthman khamis? Have u any idea? Next time just post the link instead of ur usual copy paste habit.

 

 

#shiapen #Besharam #laanti

 

 

 

Thats it? Thats all what you have to say in this response? Ok I take it as your acceptance that according to your filthy cult, sahaba and tabayeen were also followers of Abdullah Ibn Saba. 

And the very reason to create SP was to use its stuff in the internet debates where the najis nawasib throw barrage of filth so your time and again showing that stuff has been taken from SP is nothing but waste of time.  

 

 

 

 

If that is the case than im afraid u'll have to follow all ur GREAT scholars on the issue of tahreef. Kulayni's Al Kafi, Majlisi's Bihar ul anwar, Ali ibn ibrahim al qummi's Tafseer qummi, Tusi's two main books of hadith, Sheikh Mufid & many more.... All of these scholars believed in tahreef of quran (whether of any kind). So i am pretty sure a douchebag like u is not in a position to disown the scholars i have mentioned. Either believe them or disown them. What will you do? Ab bata! TERA KYA HOGA KAALIYA?

 

 

 

Stupid, the refs quoted by me where by hardcore Salafi scholars in praise of Showkani from whom you were trying to get rid of, so dont try to be smart and switch the topics. Once again, i take it as as if you have conceded that Shokani is regarded as one of the celebrated Imams of Salafi cult. 

 

 

 

Tera damagh kharab hogya hai! Aik minority ko represent kar raha hai aur baatain dekh apni ... itna ooncha dekhnay ki adat na daal

 

Abay tukhm e muawia, we have always been in minority, starting from Karbala till today, being in minority is not something to get worried for rather we see Quranic cerses condemning the majority, so its rather for you to get worried :)

 

 

 

G g bilkul sayydina Hussain  ra k naam par jo karobar aur blackmailing tum logo nai lagai hui hai woh sab ko pata hai. Sufi jinko tu neutral samajta hai woh b nafrat krtay hain tum logo se.

 

 

Bhaar main gyay Sufi... who cares? Wen our Imams were hated by your ancestors such as Muawiya bin Char Yaar, Marwan (laeen ibn Laeen), Hareez bin Uthman al-Himsi, Thawr bin Yazeed, Ziyad bin Alaqah (may Allah curse all of them and those who love or take guidance from them) then even if any or all the cults hate us, it doesnt make any difference.

 

 

Khulfa e rashideen aur ummahat ul momineen par takfir krnay walay woh laanti jab kuttay ki maut martay hain to un ki shaklain b ni pechani jaati. 

 

 

Oh yeah? Look who is talking! So that means those laantis who had audacity to fought your fourth caliph died and their faces were not even ascertainable? 

 

aur kitni dafa be izzat hokar jaye ga?

 

 

Again look who is talking, shaid ab tak 2 say ziada baar tum ko zaleeel kia ja chuka hai is forum par...just remember who confidently you had claied that the hadiths i had relied upon were weak and that i was a lair and then i made you mouth shut:

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235022942-khalid-bin-waleed-the-horrific-event/page-4#entry2708806

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