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I don't get it. Every day we are hearing of new gains by ISIS. What on earth is the government doing? Where is the counterinsurgency initiative ?

 

Lets face it....... Iraqs army is very week. And air force almost non existent. Many of them just deserted instead of fighting.

So now what you are left with is the left over army, Shia militias and volunteers. It will take them some time to organize, train and equip. Unless there is foreign intervention or a miracle, it will not be easy to take territory back from ISIS without air support. It would be a great achievement if they prevent the capital Baghdad from falling and defend the Holy Sites.

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Lets face it....... Iraqs army is very week. And air force almost non existent. Many of them just deserted instead of fighting.

So now what you are left with is the left over army, Shia militias and volunteers. It will take them some time to organize, train and equip. Unless there is foreign intervention or a miracle, it will not be easy to take territory back from ISIS without air support. It would be a great achievement if they prevent the capital Baghdad from falling and defend the Holy Sites.

Where's Iran? Their intervention would wipe out these takfiris very fast.

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Last night I watched a sickening video of a poor Christian girl/woman being raped in Mosul and all the while you hear the evil crows shouting God is Great!!!!!

 

Their God is not our God... these Sunni beasts need to be wiped off the face of the earth. Carpet bomb the lot of them.. show no mercy to these evil people.

 

Al-Malky has no fire in his belly... he needs to wipe Tikirt, Falluja, Mosul and Tikirt off the face of the Iraqi map.

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"Crowd": the people of the Bashir village and the town of Tuz Khurmatu subjected to full-fledged genocide and militants have cut off the heads of babies and filming rapes of women…

the"crowd" campaign revealed that village Bashir and the town of Tuz Khurmatu subjected to "genocide fledged" by terrorist groups that swept through the province of Kirkuk during the month, with the detection of the beheading of infants and filming rapes of women, called for the United Nations and the International Criminal Court to Proceed immediately open investigations into these crimes.

The " People National Campaign for the inclusion of Iraq bombings on the list of crimes of genocide" (crowd) " said in a report that "terrorist groups managed on 12 and 13 June, from storming the village of Bashir, which lies to the south of the city of Kirkuk and four villages in the Tuz armed with the latest types of weapons In addition to military vehicles , seized after clashes with the Iraqi army, "noting that" people were not able to withstand the resistance due to the imbalance of the kit and the number ".

The report added that "these groups began immediately committing serious violations of the right of People and defenseless innocent and can be described as an full-fledged genocide, according to the provisions of the Convention on the Prevention of the Crime of Genocide of 1948," explaining that "women and children have got the largest share of those violations because of lack of where they can escape, the resistance men managed to flee to the within the Taza Khurmatu, fearing the wrath of the terrorists".

The report pointed out that "the residents of the Bashir village estimated about 2750 people, While amount a population of four villages in Tuz (Brauejli, Jrdagli, Kurnaz, and Shah Siwan) six thousand people, is dominated by one sectarian color making them targeted by terrorist organizations," adding that he " No infinite numbers of martyrs and wounded because the terrorist organizations is still holding dozens of men and women in addition to the non-delivery of the bodies to their relatives or to hospitals and medico-legal restriction which hampers the preparation of the victims, while deliberately throw the bodies after the disintegration but their number is estimated in the hundreds".

The report revealed that "armed men crucifying the number of men and women after killing them on electricity poles and water tanks for several days Among those cases, a child in the second ten-year-old according to reports from witnesses and local sources for the campaign," pointing out that "one of the most heinous crimes committed is to break into houses and slaughtered all family members, including about five babies had their heads cut off".

But in cases of rape were reported to the report, "those groups carried out the rape of a very heinous and brutal, and sometimes carried out mass rapes, where the number of militants of raping a woman in front of a number of women, and because of the ugliness of rape led to the occurrence of the death of a number of women and wounding other mental illness, as happened in the district of Tuz Khurmatu, near Kirkuk, which follows the administrator to the Salahuddin province north of Iraq".

the campaign showed that "the insurgents were not content with all these atrocities, but they filmed the rapes, and put films on the CDs and give a copy of it to the women people after the receipt of the body or release them, causing a collapse psychologically to those families," pointing out that "a local official told the campaign that he can not be limited preparation women who have been subjected to rapes because discreetly families due to the environment and preservation of those tribal areas".

The report continued, "The militants looted and the theft of homes and contents of money and gold jewelry, and then baptized into the burning of the houses and four villages inhabited by the majority of Turkmen Shiites by 80%, making it uninhabitable again," indicating that "more than 15 000 people displaced of those areas toward the center of the province of Kirkuk, they do not have any money and suffer from catastrophic humanitarian conditions so that some of them live in the open, others are distributed to houses of worship, schools and government buildings".

The campaign indicated that it "contacted some local officials, who strongly criticized government actions toward the displaced people of those areas, where it is confirmed that she do not provide any of the necessary supplies, especially since the majority of the displaced are women and children, in addition to the presence of difficult medical conditions". 

the campaign stressed in its report that "should the United Nations and the International Criminal Court to initiate open urgent investigations in these grave violations, dangerous and perhaps unheard of the world before, and the moratorium on how to get those weapons and equipment and who supplied them out," asserting that "the crimes committed daily by these terrorist groups are subjected to full- fledged genocide and crimes against humanity, according to the provisions of Articles VI and VII of the Rome Statute". 
The campaign warned of continuing what it called "international silence and inaction suspicious about what is happening in Iraq," asserting that "the country and the entire region is now in front of a crossroads because of the size of the threat posed by these terrorist groups".


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Last night I watched a sickening video of a poor Christian girl/woman being raped in Mosul and all the while you hear the evil crows shouting God is Great!!!!!

 

Their God is not our God... these Sunni beasts need to be wiped off the face of the earth. Carpet bomb the lot of them.. show no mercy to these evil people.

 

Al-Malky has no fire in his belly... he needs to wipe Tikirt, Falluja, Mosul and Tikirt off the face of the Iraqi map.

The Sunnis who are with the ISIS are Kurd sunnis and Bat'his. In these places are also innocent Sunnis that should be protected.

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Lets face it....... Iraqs army is very week. And air force almost non existent. Many of them just deserted instead of fighting.

So now what you are left with is the left over army, Shia militias and volunteers. It will take them some time to organize, train and equip. Unless there is foreign intervention or a miracle, it will not be easy to take territory back from ISIS without air support. It would be a great achievement if they prevent the capital Baghdad from falling and defend the Holy Sites.

Unfortunately, this is the reality. They are indeed too weak and not well trained to launch an offensive attack against ISIS to reclaim Al-Anbar. The only well trained soldiers are the "Al-Firqa Al-Dhahabiyia", a special force created by the the ministry of defense some years ago to help combat terrorism in Iraq. They are well trained and able to defeat ISIS, but their numbers don't exceed 2500. We need much more of them to combat the almost 30000 and growing numbers of ISIS members in Mosul.

 

As for air support, Maliki ordered a few F15's from USA as of last year, but there are no well trained pilots to fly them. Most of the jets are just sitting in their hangers waiting for well trained pilots to fly them.

 

As for Iranian intervention, I think it should only become necessary when the Holy shrines are potentially and seriously threatened. In such critical situation, say where Baghdad is about to fall, Iran, Hezbollah and every other Shia has every right to enter Iraqi soil, fight ISIS and defend the shrines.

 

Also, Sunnis do not have the right to accuse foreign Shias and Iran for promoting sectarianism by intervening, because technically, the holy Shrines belong to every Shia world wide and not exclusively for Iraqis only, and hence becomes obligatory for every Shia world wide to defend them.

 

Nevertheless, I still don't believe that Baghdad can fall and that ISIS can reach Baghdad. It's important to remember that the only reason ISIS were successful in their gains is due to the support they received from the local people in Mosul, Falujah, Takrit and generally all of Al-Anbar. 

 

ISIS originally started out as only 800 rebels, but suddenly they grew to 30000 in just a week and a half and it has become clear that after treason was committed by the generals in Al-Anbar, a significant portion of the locals and police and army member gave their support to ISIS. If those 800 rebels were directly confronted by the 2500 Al-Dhahabiyia of Abu Al-Waleed, ISIS would have been wiped out in a matter of hours easily. However, when you have your own people backstabbing you and taking the sides of terrorists against you, how can you expect your army not retreat and see the fall of Mosul happening? What I'm trying to say is, another problem aside from ISIS is the support by the locals themselves. They might not be the majority, but they are a significant minority and strong enough have full control over Al-Anbar with an iron fist like they are doing now.

 

Mosul locals showing their support to ISIS on the first days:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lu5gNx65BE

 

In central Mosul. At 0:15, one local is chanting: " May Allah support us against the Rawafidth"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_Xz6VgL1r4

 

 

These are Iraqi border patrols that have been captured and slaughtered by ISIS foreigners(Tunsians and Saudis) who got support from locals in Al-Anbar in entering Iraqi soil and capturing the borders.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeE7Z3kRbMg

 

 

Another video. Title translates: " Most of the locals in Mosul and Al-Anbar are with Daesh. Watch the video and judge for yourself"

 

Although, at the same time, I'm not sure if one can officially say that the majority do support Daesh, especially considering that many tribal leaders in Al-Anbar and Shayokh have waged war on them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2pPnT1Ixt8

 

 

Saudi ISIS fighter greeted by Mosul locals on the first day of the fall of their city.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77B413MSGfg

 

 

With that being said, it has become clear, that the only reason that the 800 foreign ISIS fighters were successful in capturing Mosul was due to the support they received from the thousands of locals in Al-Anbar. However, the same cannot happen in other areas in Iraq, like Baghdad and the south, because the majority, if not, 90% are against Daesh. For example in Basrah, all the Sunni Shayokh have came out on TV and declared their stance against Daesh and called for every Sunni to support the Iraqi army. In Baghdad, where there are 7 million people, only a few Sunnis, a minority within the Al-'Adhamiya Sunni district(district where Abu Hanifa mosque is) will support Daesh, but their numbers will not exceed the hundreds. Therefore, Baghdad is almost impossible to take over, especially when considering that Mahdi army is patrolling the streets as well as the thousands of Iraqi army members and also the full support of the millions of people living there. The worst thing that would happen if Daesh does indeed enter Baghdad, is the locals will come out in mass protests against them and kick them out.

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Last night I watched a sickening video of a poor Christian girl/woman being raped in Mosul and all the while you hear the evil crows shouting God is Great!!!!!

 

Their God is not our God... these Sunni beasts need to be wiped off the face of the earth. Carpet bomb the lot of them.. show no mercy to these evil people.

 

Al-Malky has no fire in his belly... he needs to wipe Tikirt, Falluja, Mosul and Tikirt off the face of the Iraqi map.

 

how can i get a link to that video?

IMO its always go to share & spread the evil acts of these devils who hide behind the curtains of sectarianism.

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Iraqi PM Nouri Maliki confirms to that Syria has carried out air strikes on ISIS inside Iraqi territory. #NO2ISIS

 

[Mustafa Ali Masoods twitter]

 

 

Iran transfers 88 Russian Sukhoi fighter planes to Iraq. #NO2ISIS http://www.iraqinews.com/iraq-war/iran-transfers-88-russian-sukhoi-fighter-planes-iraq/ 

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Syrian regime warplanes bomb ISIS on Iraq border, becoming our ally

Warplanes from the regime of Syria's president Bashar al-Assad struck at positions held by the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) along the border between Syria and Iraq. Initial reports indicated that the warplanes' targets were within Iraq, though reports differ. According to Iraq's president Nouri al-Maliki: 

"There was no coordination involved, but we welcome this action. We welcome any Syrian strike against Isis, because this group targets both Iraq and Syria... But we didn't make any request from Syria. They carry out their strikes and we carry out ours. The final winners are our two countries."

This makes the Syria regime our ally in Iraq, but our enemy in Syria. Iran is also our ally in Iraq, and our enemy in Syria. 

In fact, late news is that the Obama administration is asking the US Congress to approve $500 million to train and equip "moderate" opposition forces in Syria. So keep your scorecards up to date, Dear Reader. 

As I said many years ago, based on a Generational Dynamics analysis, Iran will be our ally and the Sunni Arab states will be our enemy in the approaching Clash of Civilizations world war. These trends are moving the region in that direction. BBC and Guardian (London)

Saudi Arabia's armed forces on high alert as ISIS approaches

With the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) having taken control of border posts in Iraq on the border with Jordan, putting Saudi Arabia's security in danger, Saudi King Abdullah has put the army and security forces on the highest alert. According to the Saudi state-run news agency:

"Anticipating (that) the terrorist organizations or others might carry out actions that might disturb the security of the homeland, the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques has ordered taking all necessary measures to protect the gains of the homeland and its territories in addition to the security and stability of the Saudi people."

Saudi reconnaissance planes have found ISIS terrorists heading for the Saudi border, aiming to seize control of the Iraqi-Saudi border crossing at Ar Ar. CNN and Debka

Four questions ISIS uses to tell Sunni from Shia

When the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) conquers a new village, one chore the terrorists have to go through is to decide whom in the village to let live, and whom to torture, rape, mutilate and kill. Since ISIS is devoted to exterminating apostate Shia Muslims, making that decision requires figuring out whether each citizen is Shia or Sunni. According to reports that are coming out of Iraq, the ISIS terrorists ask four questions to determine whom to kill: 

  • "What's your name?" Some names are more likely to be Shia.

"What's your address?" Shias often live in enclaves in the village being conquered.

"How do you pray?" Shias and Sunnis have slightly different hand and arm positions during praying.

"What music do you like?" Even the ringtone on a person's telephone might be a clue.

People can easily get tripped up if they try to lie. Others refuse to lie about their faith.Times of India

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(Reuters) - Israel told the United States on Thursday Kurdish independence in northern Iraq was a "foregone conclusion" and Israeli experts predicted the Jewish state would be quick to recognise a Kurdish state, should it emerge.


Israel has maintained discreet military, intelligence and business ties with the Kurds since the 1960s, seeing in the minority ethnic group a buffer against shared Arab adversaries.


The Kurds have seized on recent sectarian chaos in Iraq to expand their autonomous northern territory to include Kirkuk, which sits on vast oil deposits that could make the independent state many dream of economically viable.


Washington wants Iraq's crumbling unity restored. On Tuesday, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry visited Iraqi Kurdish leaders and urged them to seek political integration with Baghdad.


Kerry discussed the Iraqi crisis with Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman in Paris on Thursday.


"Iraq is breaking up before our eyes and it would appear that the creation of an independent Kurdish state is a foregone conclusion," Lieberman's spokesman quoted him as telling Kerry.


A day earlier, Israeli President Shimon Peres had a similar message for U.S. PresidentBarack Obama, who hosted the dovish elder statesman at the White House.


Briefing reporters, Peres said he had told Obama he did not see unifying Iraq as possible without "massive" foreign military intervention and that this underscored Kurdish separation from the Shi'ite Muslim majority and Sunni Arab minority.


"The Kurds have, de facto, created their own state, which is democratic. One of the signs of a democracy is the granting of equality to women," Peres said.


He added that neighbouring Turkey appeared to accept the Kurds' status as it was helping them pump out oil for sale.


 


A HISTORY OF SILENCE


Israel last Friday took its first delivery of the disputed crude from Iraqi Kurdistan's new pipeline. The United States disapproves of such go-it-alone Kurdish exports. [iD:nL6N0P11TE]


There are some 30 million Kurds on a swathe of land running through eastern Turkey, northern Syria, northern Iraq and western Iran. They have hesitated to declare independence in Iraq, mindful of opposition from neighbouring states with Kurdish populations.


Israel's Foreign Ministry said there were currently no formal diplomatic relations with the Kurds. Israeli officials declined to comment, however, on the more clandestine ties.


"Our silence - in public, at least – is best. Any unnecessary utterance on our part can only harm them (Kurds),” senior Israeli defence official Amos Gilad said on Tuesday.


Asked on Israel's Army Radio whether Kurdish independence was desirable, Gilad noted the strength of the Israeli-Kurdish partnership in the past and said: "One can look at history and draw conclusions about the future."


Israeli intelligence veterans say that cooperation took the form of military training for Kurds in northern Iraq, in return for their help in smuggling out Jews as well as in spying on Saddam Hussein’s regime in Baghdad and, more recently, on Iran.


Eliezer Tsafrir, a former Mossad station chief in Kurdish northern Iraq who is now retired from Israeli government service, said the secrecy around the ties had been maintained at the request of the Kurds.


"We'd love it to be out in the open, to have an embassy there, to have normal relations. But we keep it clandestine because that’s what they want,” he told Reuters.


Ofra Bengio, an Iraq expert at Tel Aviv University and the author of two books on the Kurds, said last week's oil delivery and other commercial ties between Israel and Kurdistan were “obviously” part of wider statecraft.


"I certainly think that the moment (Kurdish President Masoud) Barzani declares independence, these ties would be upgraded into open relations,” she said. “It depends on the Kurds.”


The Kurdish Regional Government in northern Iraq has denied selling oil to Israel, whether directly or indirectly. The Israeli government declined to comment on Friday's oil delivery.


 


(Additional reporting by Isabel Coles in Arbil; Editing by Jeffrey Heller and Andrew Roche)


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(Reuters) - Israel told the United States on Thursday Kurdish independence in northern Iraq was a "foregone conclusion" and Israeli experts predicted the Jewish state would be quick to recognise a Kurdish state, should it emerge.

Israel has maintained discreet military, intelligence and business ties with the Kurds since the 1960s, seeing in the minority ethnic group a buffer against shared Arab adversaries.

The Kurds have seized on recent sectarian chaos in Iraq to expand their autonomous northern territory to include Kirkuk, which sits on vast oil deposits that could make the independent state many dream of economically viable.

Washington wants Iraq's crumbling unity restored. On Tuesday, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry visited Iraqi Kurdish leaders and urged them to seek political integration with Baghdad.

Kerry discussed the Iraqi crisis with Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman in Paris on Thursday.

"Iraq is breaking up before our eyes and it would appear that the creation of an independent Kurdish state is a foregone conclusion," Lieberman's spokesman quoted him as telling Kerry.

A day earlier, Israeli President Shimon Peres had a similar message for U.S. PresidentBarack Obama, who hosted the dovish elder statesman at the White House.

Briefing reporters, Peres said he had told Obama he did not see unifying Iraq as possible without "massive" foreign military intervention and that this underscored Kurdish separation from the Shi'ite Muslim majority and Sunni Arab minority.

"The Kurds have, de facto, created their own state, which is democratic. One of the signs of a democracy is the granting of equality to women," Peres said.

He added that neighbouring Turkey appeared to accept the Kurds' status as it was helping them pump out oil for sale.

We all know this is their plan, to divide Iraq no matter what.

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Jets from Russia and Belarus will hopefully make a key difference in the fight against ISIS in Iraq, the country’s Prime Minister Nouri Maliki said. He expressed regrets over Iraq's contract with the US, saying their jets are taking too long to arrive.


"God willing within one week this force will be effective and will destroy the terrorists' dens," he told BBC Arabic.


Meanwhile, Maliki criticized the process of purchasing US jets as “long-winded,” adding that the radicals could have been repelled if Iraq had proper air defense.


"I'll be frank and say that we were deluded when we signed the contract [with the US]," Maliki said. "We should have sought to buy other jet fighters like British, French and Russian to secure the air cover for our forces; if we had air cover we would have averted what had happened," he went on.


Maliki said Iraq bought second-hand jet fighters from Russia and Belarus "that should arrive in Iraq in two or three days.”



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Indian Muslims sign up to fight against Dawlatul Umawiyah in the thousands, Masha'Allah. May Allah [awj] protect them.

 

According to a report by The India Express on Wednesday more than 100,000 people have registered at the NGO to travel to Iraq. 

 

http://rt.com/news/168688-india-muslims-volunteer-iraq/

http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/06/26/iraq-security-india-idINKBN0F117I20140626

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What is the opinion of Maliki amongst the Shia now? With the Ayatollah (HA) essentially withdrawing support, and Moqtada Al-Sadr speaking more explicitly against Maliki, and the internal Shia opposition speaking out, it is time for a new PM in my opinion. Doesn't matter if Maliki is good or bad, his departure could break a stalemate. However, since we know the true motive of the Sunnis; they can't breathe without having 100% of the power and putting down Shias, if Maliki were to be replaced they would have to change their façade, probably to a "Shia=Kuffar that's all the excuse we need" motive. At the moment it's all about Maliki and it angers me to think where their thoughts would redirect if he were to go.

Basically the sunnis are not going to calm down if Maliki goes, they'll look for another excuse. Think about what excuses these Sunnis could come up with.

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Indian Muslims sign up to fight against Dawlatul Umawiyah in the thousands, Masha'Allah. May Allah [awj] protect them.

 

 

http://rt.com/news/168688-india-muslims-volunteer-iraq/

http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/06/26/iraq-security-india-idINKBN0F117I20140626

 

Brother, it's not fighting:

 

The organizers have stated that their aim is not to respond with violence, but to provide relief and medical aid, as well as to protect their holy sites.

"We could travel to Iraq to form a human chain to save people from being tortured. We could fetch water and donate blood and do anything to save our shrines,” said Syed Bilal Hussain Abidi, a senior member of the group as quoted by Reuters.

Haider said that the group will not participate in fighting. "We will not respond to terror with terror," he told local media.   

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Malkie should not leave, I dont care if sunnis want him to go. They want to be incharge of everything those sunnis. Sunnis should be given less positions because their unfaithful and anyone that disagrees can.....

They wanted ja3fari to go and now malkie.

Why isint brazian letting the shia people that have been kick out of mousel in arbeel,they literally have no way out,they dont even have weapons to defend themselves. Wheres human rights why are innocent people not in arbel,why dont they have food and water. Why the hell do they need prove of idenity,these people want running for there live. Why do people need a visa to get to arbel from iraq. This is just wrong. The more power sunnis get the more they will hurt the shia.

I say shove a shoe down their throat those ungreatful sunnis. And that osama al najafi and his back stubber brother should be died by now,why hasnt anyone punched him in his face. Gosh, I dont know how malikie can look at these backstabbers faces and not react,that man is so calm it's unbelievable.

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What is the opinion of Maliki amongst the Shia now? With the Ayatollah (HA) essentially withdrawing support, and Moqtada Al-Sadr speaking more explicitly against Maliki, and the internal Shia opposition speaking out, it is time for a new PM in my opinion. Doesn't matter if Maliki is good or bad, his departure could break a stalemate. However, since we know the true motive of the Sunnis; they can't breathe without having 100% of the power and putting down Shias, if Maliki were to be replaced they would have to change their façade, probably to a "Shia=Kuffar that's all the excuse we need" motive. At the moment it's all about Maliki and it angers me to think where their thoughts would redirect if he were to go.

Basically the sunnis are not going to calm down if Maliki goes, they'll look for another excuse. Think about what excuses these Sunnis could come up with.

I really don't know how authentic Ayatollah or Al-Sadr statement is. I once thought that Maliki should withdraw but after research and how much he have done to Iraq, he should stay. I believe the Maliki withdraw is what America, Bathis, Kurds  wants. Surely his withdraw means strenght to Kurds , they will get for sure Kirkuk and its oil, which means they almost can form their dream state.

 

There are basicly two Sunnis in Iraq. Those sunnis who are ageinst the sectarian and who wants all iraqis live peacfully and develop peacully.Such a sunnis you can find from almost every town in Iraq. The other Sunnis in Iraq are those who want Iraq wholly to them and want separate the Shias from Iraq, these are the exactly those who call us Rawifid and support the ISIS. These are very minotary. It is these people who actually lies about their affairs, saying Maliki did nothing to them, when in reality it is not true.

 

Anyone who say Iraq Goverment did nothing much to Kurds, he/she should be very ashamed!

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That was the problem of these losers... who remain calm and even DO NOT KNOW how to defend themselves against attacks, propaganda and plots... staying calm is not going to do anything... I remember the days that it was REALLY BOTHERING me when the Iraqi government(s) repeatedly tried to please the ex-baathists and allowed the 'ban' to be removed, they were included in everything... the ex-murderers, the Takfiris were freed and was called for 'unity' purposes... In one point they freed 400 Saudi terrorists and transfered them directly to Saudi Arabia... they went all with all the demands of Sunni Arabs and Sunni Kurds...they played all the plans step by step and it was even clear to a 5 yr old kid what these Sunni Arabs and Kurds were up to and how they want to make links between themselves and the western/gulf states in order to go back into Saddam era with a mini kurdish-saddam state on the side.

 

Today, Barzani said he will not give back Kirkuk to the central government according to PressTv.

 

It is either that the Shia parties and militants are also playing along the lines where they want a partition of Iraq into 3 states, or they are VERY fool.. else they would wage and allow the Shia militants including the foreign ones to storm into different states and ATTACK.. including the cities where the Kurds create headaches for them.

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Today, Barzani said he will not give back Kirkuk to the central government according to PressTv.

 

How in the world they can claim Kirkuk for them, when 21% are Kurds in that area. Well of course as long as America and Israel make sure to give it to them.

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 Surely his withdraw means strenght to Kurds , they will get for sure Kirkut and its oil, which means they almost can form their dream state.

 

What is wrong with that? I mean if the majority of people living in that area (Kurds) want a separate state for themselves what is wrong with that?

 

In fact, looking at ethnic and religious differences, after Saddam why on earth did they not divide Iraq into smaller semi-autonomous states (emirates) with a central (federal) government with limited functions, something like United Emirates of Iraq?

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What is wrong with that? I mean if the majority of people living in that area (Kurds) want a separate state for themselves what is wrong with that?

I don't see any wrong if Kurds want their state. But Kirkuk is not for kurds only, the majority are arabs and turkmen, do you see any justice that Kirkuk oil should wholly go to kurdistan?

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Kurds may ask for their own state, like Turkmen and others. Barzani though should not dare to ask for his own state, he is a war criminal and the only thing he should get is his own cell. He facilitated the invasion of ISIS, did not protect the Shia Turkmen villages when they were brutally attacked by the ISIS. He is directly or indirectly associated with ISIS crimes. Kurd activists even said that he is war criminal a year ago:

http://www.ekurd.net/mismas/articles/misc2013/6/state7139.htm

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Too many Iraqi politicians that are only in it for the money. It has resulted in traitors, power-grabs, shaky-alliances and so forth.

If this were a game of chess, Iraq's remaining pieces would all be concentrated on only one part of the board.

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I highly doubt this will happen. These so called moderate syrian militants (so moderate they literally eat the heart of dead Syrian soldiers) have practically lost the war in Syria. Why would they want to waste resources on a futile attempt to invade Iraq to supposedly 'help' the 'Rawafid' Iraqi government that is strongly allied to Iran? It does not make the slightest bit of sense. The only way I see this happening is if these so called moderate syrian rebels recognise ISIS as the bigger threat, admit defeat in their insurgency against Syria, offer a truce to Dr Al-Assad with some concessions (not costly) on part of the Syrian government to bring them somewhat back into the fold, then counter the ISIS threat in Syria and offer some support in Iraq. Otherwise, what is their place in Iraq? I don't think the Iraqi government, Russia, Syria or Iran would allow their incursion into Iraq. They are fighting for Syrian soil, not a caliphate; I doubt they even have interest in Iraq!

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I highly doubt this will happen. These so called moderate syrian militants (so moderate they literally eat the heart of dead Syrian soldiers) have practically lost the war in Syria. Why would they want to waste resources on a futile attempt to invade Iraq to supposedly 'help' the 'Rawafid' Iraqi government that is strongly allied to Iran? It does not make the slightest bit of sense. The only way I see this happening is if these so called moderate syrian rebels recognise ISIS as the bigger threat, admit defeat in their insurgency against Syria, offer a truce to Dr Al-Assad with some concessions (not costly) on part of the Syrian government to bring them somewhat back into the fold, then counter the ISIS threat in Syria and offer some support in Iraq. Otherwise, what is their place in Iraq? I don't think the Iraqi government, Russia, Syria or Iran would allow their incursion into Iraq. They are fighting for Syrian soil, not a caliphate; I doubt they even have interest in Iraq!

 

 

Agreed. It doesn't make any sense. I think that these rebels have the same agenda and are all one group even though some say they are different. The US my hunch is, they are funding the rebels in syria(who they say are different but are really allied to the takfiri rats in iraq) to help the rebels in Iraq topple the government. The US was also sending drones over baghdad for this same reason, to gather intelligence on the defenses of baghdad and share it with the militants. 

 

The US has acquiesced to the isis demands for a caliphate in Iraq and Syria because it serves their interests and will put a bunch of weak militants with no army in charge instead of a strong government and strong army which israel does not want.

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Kurds are being backed by the Zionists - that is just one reason why cannot have their own "state" - besides, this is just an imperial plan to break up nations and reconfigure them according to the desire of the imperialists - of-course there are the backers of the empire - who don't really care about such issues, these are just childish people. 

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why do u want every race to have their own state? that's a ludicrous proposition - and very zionist btw - that is what zionism is about a racist entity ("state")

Are you serious? It is the Zionists that are against the Palestinians having their own State. The Kurdish people having feelings too. Edited by DaBeast313
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The Zionists have a race based state, the Palestinian land was stolen by the Zionist to create their own racist entity - you want the Kurds to also take Iraqi and other land, create a race based state. That is ludicrous - and a tribalist mentality. 

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