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How are children born of adulterous realtionships considered in Shia Islam?Are theyinnocent of their parents' sins or are they shunned and even punished like Sunnis do in Pakistan when it happens on a regular basis that these kids are murdered and Sunni clerics sometimes order the kids to be stoned.

I've read this thing on Islamic Awakening,so it's not western islamophobic propaganda.

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Most Shias and Sunnis are both making a grievous mistake today and it is the root cause of a lot of injustice in the world. 

 

What is that grievous mistake? It is using conjecture to deduce Islamic beliefs, prohibitions, commandments and penal code.

 

As I have already explained several times here, Solitary narrations (khabar al-wahid) are classified as conjecture by the mujtahids themselves!

 

Here is a quote from Rizvi's book:

 

 

The mujtahid will consider the dalil qat'i (the convincing proof) as a valid source for the shari'ah laws. But he will not consider the dalil dhanni as such because dalil dhanni does not create conviction it just gives rise to assumption. A mujtahid cannot rely on a dhanni proof or source for deriving laws unless the shari'ah itself approves its use for this purpose. Below I will give examples of two dhanni sources, one approved by the shari'ah and another disapproved by it.

The First Example: Among the various categories of hadith, there is a category known as khabar wahid thiqah - a hadith reported by a single reliable person. Khabar wahid thiqah is a dhanni source. Why? Because a hadith reported by a single person does not create conviction about its contents even if the reporter is reliable; there is the chance of forgetting, misunderstanding or unintended misquotation on the part of the truthful, reliable reporter.

However, in spite of being a dhanni source, khabar wahid thiqah is considered by most of Shi'ah mujtahids as a valid source for the shari'ah laws.

http://www.al-islam.org/introduction-islamic-shariah-sayyid-muhammad-rizvi/system-ijtihad

 

Rizvi' admits that most not all mujtahids accepted using khabar al-wahid. Well I am here to tell you that that minority of mujtahids in our history who rejected khabar al-wahid to deduce beliefs and laws in Islam were following the correct Islamic methodology. Most mujtahids before Shaykh Tusi rejected khabar al-wahid and most after him accepted it.

 

Rizvi also admits that the "proof" for using khabar al-wahid is an implicit, not explicit, but implicit understanding of 49:6. Well I say that most mujtahids before Shaykh Tusi would not accept this implicit proof in a million years. For 500 years Shi'ah mujtahids read this verse and didn't see in it what these pro khabar al-wahid mujtahids see. What do you see? Use your own brain and make a choice of the type of mujtahid you want to follow; pro khabar al-wahid or anti khabar al-wahid.

 

All this discrimination against people born from a non-marriage is from the conjecture of khabar al-wahid.

 

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235021871-do-you-believe-it-is-fine-to-rely-on-conjecture/

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235021749-why-is-homosexuality-haram/?p=2691750

 

40% of US births are out of wedlock! If you are so stupid so as to tell 40% of converts to Islam in the US that they never lead prayers because they were born out of wedlock, good luck. Most will say, how could a true religion be so unjust? We did not choose to be born out of wedlock.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/360990/latest-statistics-out-wedlock-births-roger-clegg

So I am telling you the real religion of the ahlul-bayt (as) is not based on conjecture even 1%, but most modern mujtahids employee conjecture in 90% of laws in the name of the infallibles. Subhanallah!

Please don't follow their mistake. Return to the original Shi'ah law methodology of the first 500 years of Islam. It is the truth.

Edited by followthetruth

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Such chldren should be excluded from public office and should not be allowed to lead Muslims but physically harming them or even killing them is barbaric and not part of islam.

Discriminating against children because of the sins of their parents is barbaric.

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Such chldren should be excluded from public office and should not be allowed to lead Muslims but physically harming them or even killing them is barbaric and not part of islam.

Maybe they can exclude you, such ignorant thinking is dangerous to society. 

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Youre acting as if being able ot run for public office is a human right. stop crying.

You're acting as if it's moral to punish somebody for someone else's mistakes. Do you support discrimination against Muslims in the west? I mean, 9/11 was done by Muslims so obviously we have to keep an eye on all of you ...

See where this is going? It's ridiculous discrimination. You support it when it includes groups that you look down on but you would be the first person to be against it if it was against you.

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You're acting as if it's moral to punish somebody for someone else's mistakes. Do you support discrimination against Muslims in the west? I mean, 9/11 was done by Muslims so obviously we have to keep an eye on all of you ...

See where this is going? It's ridiculous discrimination. You support it when it includes groups that you look down on but you would be the first person to be against it if it was against you.

 

This is like not allowing those born outisde the US to become president. There is nothing wrong with these types of restrictions. Americans dont want a foreigner being their president and I dont want a [Edited Out] child of zina leading muslims.

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How are children born of adulterous realtionships considered in Shia Islam?Are theyinnocent of their parents' sins or are they shunned and even punished like Sunnis do in Pakistan when it happens on a regular basis that these kids are murdered and Sunni clerics sometimes order the kids to be stoned.

I've read this thing on Islamic Awakening,so it's not western islamophobic propaganda.

Its just parents who are shamed that do this. Bring the page from Islamic Awakening that speaks about this.

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Question: Whereas we know that the children born due to illegal relations have no role in their illegitimacy and have not committed any sins, then also according to Islamic traditions they are not treated fairly. And they are not allowed to take the important posts like that of a judge, Imam-e-Jamat and Maraja etc.

 

Why a person who has not committed any sin, just because the fault of his parents, should be ill-treated and kept away from important posts in the society?

 

Some people also say that such children will neither go to Paradise nor see any goodness. Is it right? Whereas we also know that Allah will not write one person's sin in another person's account?

 

And no soul earns (evil) but against itself, and no bearer of burden shall bear the burden of another1

 

Answer: Before we give the answer it is necessary to discuss the following points which are the basis of this topic and then we can conclude from it.

(1)    Due to illegal relationship, the relation between father and son is finished from the point of view of law and economics and thus it cuts off the family relationship and sentiments, which is the basis of a society. Sometimes the female doesn't know that from the sperm of which man she had become pregnant.

 

In this way a child does not know his father, grandfather, grandmother and relatives. And generally many ethical, psychological, social, training, family, financially and sentimental defects come into existence because of it. This is the reason that the Holy Prophets (s.a.w.a.) and laws makers of the society prohibited things, which are against sanctity; the Shari’ah also prohibits the illegal relationship.

 

(2) In every community there are rules of marriage; that is why to establish illegal relationships is against the law. This is the reason that the person doing this type of deed feels guilty due to this, which stems from the sinful soul and has bad results, which arise from this type of deed.

And when a person repeats this deed or due to other factors the guilt of the person becomes less or if the fornicator does not have the feeling of guilt, then also there is a thief present in his inner self, and he become ill mannered, breaks the law, and deviates.

 

(3) According to the law of inheritance, like the other physical effects, inner qualities and thinking of the mother and father is also transferred to the children. In the same way the special traits of the parents are transferred to children like the color of eyes, hair, shape of the eyebrows etc.

In reality inheritance is the base for a person's future and makes the personality of an individual and prepares the ground for them for their good or bad fortune.

 

From these points we can derive the following results:

Illegitimate children inherit bad manners, breaking of laws and sins from their parents. For them the ground for sins and crime is more feasible. As compared to others they are more prepared for sins and if they personally get wrong training or if the environment is not good, then it is enough for them that their polluted soul, like sparks beneath the ash become fire and burn their good fortune.

As for the question about social posts for illegitimate persons, it is a logical precaution for the protection of social good on the basis of whatever is said above about their psychological state.

 

Islam gives much importance to persons who are supposed to take these social posts, for acquiring the confidence of the people. Therefore those families which have some defects or whose past is not praiseworthy have been deprived of posts that require spiritual purity.

But we should not be that a person of illegitimate birth has the license to commit all sins and go against the Shari’ah, and that he be deprived of true Islamic teachings and training, and he by following the right principles cannot be fortunate - No, it is not like that.

 

Illegitimate children also like natural and lawful children are free to choose the right or wrong path. They also with their intentions and powers can choose the path of righteousness and goodness and acquire salvation and be one of the Heavenly people. It is not that they are born criminals and at any cost cannot be freed from the web of crimes and sins, but as Imam as-Sadiq (a.s.) has said:

When an illegitimate child is prepared to perform his duties and able to do work of training, if his deeds are good he will get rewards for it and if he does bad he will be punished.

 

Although the rebellious nature of illegitimate children (which have more interest and are more inclined to break the laws and commit sins) makes it difficult for them to avoid sin, and it is also difficult for them to perform their duties, but if they go against their desires and follow the orders of Almighty and right principles they will be given the best of the rewards.

 

That is why Islam reproaches illegitimate children. It is so, to make them aware that they are facing a dangerous situation; they should fulfill their duties, remain away from sins and take precautions. It doesn't mean that knowledge and training has no effect on them and they will certainly go to Hell.

 

In other words those children who are illegitimately born are like those children who are born to the parents having diseases (T.B, and sexual disorders). These children have more chances of contracting these diseases and if they are not cured as early as possible they are more likely to get these diseases. This is the reason that to protect the interest of the people, those children who are possible to contract the disease of T.B. should not be given whatever food and other things are available.

 

Like the ill parents, illegitimate children are also prepared to break the laws and fall into crime if their training and studies are not provided in the right environment and healthy intentions. It is possible they may fall into a great depth and ally with the criminals. For those reasons, in order to protect the social cause, precautions should be taken that they remain away from some posts.

 

Although it is wrong as some people think that illegitimate children will never be happy, lucky and acquire salvation. They can also be fortunate and happy like other people, but as we have told earlier their inner self in comparison to others is not favorable for this; that is why they should be stricter and take more precautions.

 

Just as it is not necessary that consumptive person's son should also be consumptive; maybe he follows the rules of health becomes stronger than other people and may remain away from the diseases. The result is that the ground for sins is not necessarily proof for doing them but with strong intentions and good training it can be avoided.

 

It is important to mention that such illegitimate children if they remain staunch on the good path can acquire higher positions and a better life because they have practiced more self control.

 

http://www.al-islam.org/philosophy-islamic-laws-ayatullah-al-uzma-shaykh-nasir-makarim-shirazi-ayatullah-jafar-subhani-16

 

(wasalam)

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Godzapostle,I am still waiting for your sources!

Jahangiram,since I am not able to copy and paste on this forum(and I don't understand why),go to Islamic awakening in section "Politics,Jihad and current affiars" and you'll find the threac called "Illegitimate newborns murdered".

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