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Youtube: Shia Vs Sunni Discussions

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Selam everyone,

 

So I have watched some islamic videos on youtube on this channel: SoldierOfAllah2 

 

There were 2 videos that caught my attention regarding the comments bellow in which shia and sunni brothers were discussing about a wide range of topics such as: the prophet mentioning who his successor would be , that umar and abu bakr were tirans, that they threatened to burn the house of Hz.Ali and killed his wife fatima and her unborn child by kicking in the door.

 

Here are some quotes of a Shia brother: 

 

The Prophet chose and favored and talked about and presented Ali to people more than any one else ever lived. Yet you still say he is equal to the Caliphs. Ali was courageous, two caliphs started running away from Khaybar. Yet Ali is still equal. Okay. Two caliphs killed the daughter of the Prophet, they're still equal. One angered Fatima, yet he is still equal to Ali. Ali slept in the bed of the Prophet, another didn't give the pencil to the Prophet when he was in the bed.

 

Anyway, Ali is the first rightly guided caliph, not the fourth, as his right was deprived. Ali is infallible and an Imam using the proofs and evidence we put on the table from Quran and the hadiths.

 

We do not blame the Prophet; we blame the people after the Prophet. Abu Bakr and Umar and Uthman. The Prophet did his job and chose Ali as his successor. Said the Quran and the progeny. You took one and threw the other away.

 

 

 

I really want clarification on this subject as sunnis came with comments as:

 

ollowing two narrations were reported by both sunni's and Shee'ahs. The first one is quoted from Saheeh al Bukhaaree and the second one is quoted from a Shee'ah book: "Takhlees ash-Shaafee"

It is mutawaatir upon 'Alee radhiallaahu anhu 

((Which of the people is best after the Messenger salallaahu alaihi wa salam? He said: "Aboo Bakr" I said: "Then whom?" he said "Then Umar" and I feared he would say Uthmaan then I said "then you?" he said "I am not except a man from the Muslims"))


The second from a shia book.
Shareek bin 'Abdillaah, the Taabi'ee, when he was asked, "who is better.. Abu Bakr or 'Alee" He said "Abu Bakr". The one who asked him said, "You say this while you are a Shee'ee?" He said, "Yes any one who does not say this is not a Shee'ah by Allaah, Alee took up this pulpit and said, "ألا إن خير هذه الأمة بعد رسول الله، أبي بكر ثم عمر" By Allaah the best of this Ummah after its prophet is Abu Bakr and then 'Umar so how can we turn down and reject his saying? By Allaah he was not a liar." Narrated from Alee from more than 80 ways of narration (Talkhees ash-Shaafee Vol. 2, 428)

That is ali saying it in your own book. I don't take it as authentic because it has no chain of narration like all other shia books but just to prove a point to you I will use it.

 

 

 

 

they try to tell that after our prophet(PBUH) passed away the people fairly chose abu bakr as his successor, and this while Hz.Ali was washing the body of our prophet even! Could I get some clarifications concerning what the prophet actually said in his speech about his successor and leaving 2 weights behind: the holy quran and the ahlul al bayt. furthermore about what abu bakr and umar did in their lives did they do bad things? also why do sunnis think that shia are making everything up?

 

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There are some points my friend:

1-In such discussions in order for proving your assumption it is necessary to  bring a proof that is accepted whether by both sides or at least by your listeners. Therefor the first narration is not valid since it is not existed in shia books

2-I am surprised with these people!! Talkhees ash-Shaafee is not a hadith book but rather it is a theology book and the funny point is these have said about reporting this narrator but they did read ( maybe prefered not to read ) the rest. The author has raised this sunni narrator to reply not to report.If I report some part of a falsified scripture of Bible regarding trinity in my theology book in order to prove it is wrong  does that mean I had reported some narrators  about trinity and accepted it ??!! :no: 

3- How could it be a fair choice while Prophet had mentioned hundred times about his successorship during his life ?Do they really think with what happened  in Ghadir, or with Manzilah narration , or all those verses it is still a FAIR choise. No it is not unless they ask Oxford to raise a new definition for fair!! :shifty: 

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