Jump to content
Guests can now reply in ALL forum topics (No registration required!) ×
ShiaChat.com
Guests can now reply in ALL forum topics (No registration required!)
In the Name of God بسم الله

Erdogan Insulting Shiite Muslims

Rate this topic


Recommended Posts

  • Advanced Member

Amen. It is interesting a month ago, while in Islamic Iran, where the majority of the people are shiite muslims, he said it is like his second home. And now he talks like this. Wondering what a lie and hypocricy is according to his dictionary.

Edited by HamzaTR
Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Veteran Member

To the 666ers, CLynn and David666, "different perspectives" are good --if they are learned perspectives.

 

To use an old idiomatic expression:

 

"Based on his iconic picture, I bet David666 just 'goes ape' over some of our comments."

 

You all know how chimps and monkeys act when they get excited.  Hu,hu,hu,hu,ahhh, ahhhhh, :shifty: :wacko:, plus...

 

jump up-&-down.....

 

 

 

 

even when seated. <----gottcha, didn't I? :yaali:

 

OK, that's it no more evilgelical bashing...for now, anyway. 

 

David66, your comment on the other thread accusing me of being "racist" is not only unfounded (I'm in a mixed marriage), but suggests to me you are only high school aged ---which we all were. So be a little more 'laid-back' because at your age ---as new physiological research evidence now confirms-- your 'speed of judgment ' is not only slow but incompletely formed. It will be normal, inshallah.

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Veteran Member

I'm sure C. Lynn and David are enraged at this, being the two truly unbiased and humanitarian posters on here. ^^^

 

Ha!

 

Classic.

 

 

 

 

I have a question for Bro Hamza. I am mostly ignorant on Turkish politics, which is why I ask. But from what I can see, it seems that there are only two options for the future of the country, and neither are good. One of them is AK Partisi, which has now completely solidified its status as the Turkish Brotherhood, and the other are the radical secularists.

 

Is this the case? Or is there another way for Turkey?

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Advanced Member

Brother, Turkey has a 90 year old history. Yet, it is the 61th government ruling today. Noting that until 1946, the single pary period was there (founding other parties was banned by Mr. Ataturk and his successors, even in that period there were 14 times changes in the cabinet), it really is like every ONE year, we had a new government mostly through early elections and few with coups.

 

Yes, we had numerous early elections, because, the so-called Independence Tribunals prosecuting every people who were against the government, the army attacks on Islamic revolutionary movements (e.g. Sheikh Said, etc.), arming and sending fascist fools on muslims (a sad example of the many is that of a brave young man, Metin Yüksel) and on especially Kurds (e.g. Dersim), on Alewites (e.g. Maraş Massacre, Çorum Massacre), on Socialists, etc.. None of these attacks were enough to stop the people standing against the regime. That is why the government was always in the verge of a greater revolution, and that is why they always had early elections with new promises by many parties.

 

This might silly to you all, but I believe all parties (ruling and ''opposition'') are the same and they are working together, like in a collusion. And when their tricks had some results that they could not handle, (e.g. when people were fooled by the ''opposition'' parties, and the oppositon parties win and they could not stop or shape their fans, when the people wanted to act by the early promises of their leaders, a revolution was about to emerge with which sincere people could get into the power), so, there was millitary coups to stop this. (Like that of in Egypt lately. Both the early govt. and Mursi were in collusion. But when Mursi, the cunning man, could not handle his followers, sincere people among the movement were on the verge of getting into power. Thus, a millitary coup they had. 1997 coup in Turkey was just like that. Necmettin Erbakan was like the teacher of Mursi. lol. They know the trick of collusion well. And they know how to step back, even ''suffer'' when their sincere followers may have the chance to come into power.)

 

Anyway, you asked me about the options people have. Yes, if the people don't act themselves, rather they let the politicians do anything they want, it seems there only is two options (other parties can not win, they don't have many supporters). And the CHP will probably lose, because the AKP, just with letting the girls wear hijab in certain schools was enough to fool Muslims here. Erdogan will probably get their votes and then continue to work harder for the NATO agenda in and outside the country. (If CHP wins, they can only make Turkish nation suffer, but no other nation, this is the requirement of the policy they have had in this collusion. Whereas if AKP wins, they can make every neighbouring country suffer along with Turks. That's why, to them, the AKP has to win).

 

But, of course, there is always a way out. And it can only be achieved, if people make decisions for themselves, and not let the politicians use them (religious, non-religious; fascist turks, racist kurds, etc.). So inshaAllah the nation gets what they have always wished for, to become a sovereign state.

Edited by HamzaTR
Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Advanced Member

How big a percentage of the population of Turkey is shi'ite? Of any kind; alevite, ithna asheri, zaydi, ismaili etc.?

 

I Believe Erdogan is a very machiavellian character in his ideology. His country is a part of NATO and an de-facto ally of Israel (of who there's even said to be military co operation). and therefor his nation is a part of the very problem that many in the middle-east are trying to get out of to assert independence. He probably believed that if he did a few favors for the saudis, americans and israelis, the turkish "model" of a pacified islamic democracy "light" would be "implemented" allover the region after the arab spring to establish a counter force and narrative to the iranian revolution.

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Advanced Member

Erdogan is not a person innocently making mistakes. Oh, speaking of lies and hypocricy, here's a short video, where in the first part, he tells the "opposition" that they accuse him of working for a new Middle East project of the US, and that if they can't prove what they say, they are dishonest filths. Whereas in the second and next clips, he openly admits that, the US has a big ME and North African Project and he is one of the main allies of the US in it.

 

 

As for the question on minorities, 25-30 % of the population is Alevi, and there are about 3 million twelvers.

Edited by HamzaTR
Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Advanced Member

Amen. It is interesting a month ago, while in Islamic Iran, where the majority of the people are shiite muslims, he said it is like his second home. And now he talks like this. Wondering what a lie and hypocricy is according to his dictionary.

???? Huh??? He is saying the GULEN are WORSE than Shia ........ He isn't insulting them

Shia do taqiya don't they ?

Erdogan doesn't say anything insulting to Shia on the vid .....unless someone can point it out

He said they have traits and one is taqiyya but they surpass them on it.......he never said that Shia colluded with gulen

He said them gulenists SURPASS shia in it!!......and then he says they surpass in lies.....and then it gets cut propbaly someone did it deliberately to make it assume he is referring to Shia ......unless someone can post the full vid

Whoever posted this vid I don't think he had a clue what erdogan was talking about lol

Edited by Wisdom007
Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Advanced Member

Brother, Wisdom007, "worse" is the comparative form of the adjective "bad". And in order for Gülen to be worse, shia needs to be bad in the first place. Secondly, yes he says Gülen Movement surpasses shiite muslims in taqiyya and lies. And shiites can not compete with them. And I am from Turkey and I speak Turkish. It is my mother tongue. So I know what he says and means. And no, shia islam does not lie, because taqiyya is not to lie, it is to hide the things people are not ready to hear. And it is there in sunni islam (Quran and Sunnah) also, whether one admits it or not. Lastly, I  did not say shiites colude with gulenists. I said Gülenists and Erdoğan are in collusion. Gülen movement were losing fans, and now they are playing the victim in order to get the anti-regime muslims on their side. Otherwise, in all the media (tv, newspapers, etc) Gülen Movement's tv (Samanyolu) and newspaper (Zaman) attack the Mohammedan-Shia islam and Islamic Iran most. And they are Americanizing Muslims. It is the same reason, their TV channel was banned in Azarbeijan earlier.

Edited by HamzaTR
Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
×
  • Create New...