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The conveyer belt of petro dollar produced mass murderer terrorists seems to be perpetual. As the last 30+ years have shown us, Saudis Frankenstein monsters only seem to be growing in number and getting more unstable and dangerous.

 

The situation in syria is beyond repair, and these terrorists will probably continue fighting for another decade at least at the way things are going currently. The other countries in the region are at the brink of entering in to the conflict as well, especially lebanon and Iraq.

 

Does any one see any reasonable end to this situation, aside from mass chaos and darkness engulfing the region for god knows how long?

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(salam)

 

The situation in syria is beyond repair, and these terrorists will probably continue fighting for another decade at least at the way things are going currently. The other countries in the region are at the brink of entering in to the conflict as well, especially lebanon and Iraq.

 

Does any one see any reasonable end to this situation, aside from mass chaos and darkness engulfing the region for god knows how long?

 

Greetings Al-Mufeed,

 

What about the elections that are due to take place?  Will they serve no purpose to end the conflict?

asalaam.

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Greetings Al-Mufeed,

 

What about the elections that are due to take place?  Will they serve no purpose to end the conflict?

asalaam.

 

 

 

Do you honestly believe that the pack of demons posing as human beings – who behead people for minor disagreements, kill civilians, do indiscriminate suicide and car bombings, execute people for petty offenses, eat organs of dead soldiers etc  .. are actually going to have a change of “heart”  because of elections with in Syria?

 

Most of them are not even Syrian. They will not stop till they achieve their “Islamic” (satanic) state. Even then they will kill each other as they are blood thirsty power mongers, and feel threatened by any sort of rivalry – even amongst their own ranks.

They are large in number, armed to the teeth and there is an endless supply of them.

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(salam)

 

The conveyer belt of petro dollar produced mass murderer terrorists seems to be perpetual. As the last 30+ years have shown us, Saudis Frankenstein monsters only seem to be growing in number and getting more unstable and dangerous.

 

The situation in syria is beyond repair, and these terrorists will probably continue fighting for another decade at least at the way things are going currently. The other countries in the region are at the brink of entering in to the conflict as well, especially lebanon and Iraq.

 

Does any one see any reasonable end to this situation, aside from mass chaos and darkness engulfing the region for god knows how long?

 

IMO, it starts and ends with Israel. So long as its security is guaranteed the conflict will come to an abrupt end. And that guarantee does not pass through an avenue where President Assad emerges victorious, Hezbollah experienced and battle hardened, and Iran and Iraq adding to that 'shia crescent'  

 

an understanding with Israel would have these ugly terrorists done away for good in Syria.

Most of them are not even Syrian. They will not stop till they achieve their “Islamic” (satanic) state. Even then they will kill each other as they are blood thirsty power mongers, and feel threatened by any sort of rivalry – even amongst their own ranks.

Syria's situation is alot like Afghanistan in the 80s. Things were real bad then when the so called mujahideen were fighting the Afghan President Dr. Najib. But once he fell all hell broke loose and the state literally collapsed and....

the moment, god forbid, president assad is taken out current situation in syria will look alot like christmas.

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IMO, it starts and ends with Israel. So long as its security is guaranteed the conflict will come to an abrupt end. And that guarantee does not pass through an avenue where President Assad emerges victorious, Hezbollah experienced and battle hardened, and Iran and Iraq adding to that 'shia crescent'  

 

an understanding with Israel would have these ugly terrorists done away for good in Syria.

Syria's situation is alot like Afghanistan in the 80s. Things were real bad then when the so called mujahideen were fighting the Afghan President Dr. Najib. But once he fell all hell broke loose and the state literally collapsed and....

the moment, god forbid, president assad is taken out current situation in syria will look alot like christmas.

 

 

I agree with you that this situation is directly linked to the "israeli" state as they are at the top of the ladder. If they wanted to they could exercise their influence of the u.s state deparment and also over the gulf states, to have the funding for these rats turned off and have most of their leaders recall them back home.

However the problem with creating monsters is that they are often unstable, it may come to a point (and it may already have) that you can no longer control them and they will not even listen to their masters. Case in point ISIL - which has grown completely unstable and its level of brutality even makes al-qaeda look like moderates.

 

Hezbollah and the various Iraqi shia groups (along with Iranian sepah) are getting even more battle hardened than they already were, and this is troubling for israel, as was noted by some israeli news sources.

 

The war in syria has escalated and the "rebels" are no longer made up by a majority of inexperienced/incompetent fighters. Those people already got disillusioned and left, or got  killed etc. The bulk of what is left are hardened foreign fighters with many years of experience and extensive combat skills. They are well financed and have long reaching networks. The commanders are criminals and murderers (many of them are ex saddam officers) but they are competent on the battle field.

 

 

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(salam)

 

The conveyer belt of petro dollar produced mass murderer terrorists seems to be perpetual. As the last 30+ years have shown us, Saudis Frankenstein monsters only seem to be growing in number and getting more unstable and dangerous.

 

The situation in syria is beyond repair, and these terrorists will probably continue fighting for another decade at least at the way things are going currently. The other countries in the region are at the brink of entering in to the conflict as well, especially lebanon and Iraq.

 

Does any one see any reasonable end to this situation, aside from mass chaos and darkness engulfing the region for god knows how long?

 

I don't see it totally ending, but I do see a good end in sight. If the Assad government is smart, once they take over Western and Southern Syria along with a couple of other strategic locations (this might take up to two years), then the regime can simply let the terrorists rule themselves in the Eastern side of the desert. In such a scenario, the terrorists will most likely be busy fighting each other while the government reconstructs the West.

 

One particular good outcome for Assad's government despite it being an evil and immoral outcome, would be that a large chunk of the Sunni population will be out of Syria and spread out in the Middle East. Given that most of their homes have been demolished, they will probably stay out permanently. This will alter the demographics of the country to Assad's benefit. 

 

In addition to this, persistent Salafi rule in Eastern Syria will all but kill Sunni political Islam as a relevant movement. The rule of the Ikhwan in Egypt along with what the ISIS, Nusra, and the Islamic Front have done in areas they rule has already caused a big dent in their Utopian vision. I recall not long ago watching Salafis talk about how a government ruled by them would put an end to corruption, poverty, mismanagement etc. etc. but their vulgar rule has all but broken this illusion. The actions of the Salafis in Syria will alienate a lot of Sunni Arabs from Islam. Sunni Islam will be replaced not necessarily by Shi'ism, but by a mishmash of consumerism, secularism, a mishmash of selfie cults not unlike what we find in the West and Japan which usually goes by the name of "spirituality". All in all, it will usher in an era of nihilism among Sunni Arabs unfortunately. 

 

But I will say this. This event will be to Iran's and Shi'ism's benefit. First it has united most Shi'is under the leadership of Wilayat al-Faqih, has made Shi'is as a community much more united and coherent, and it will make them more powerful in the Middle East.

 

However, both Shi'is and Sunnis in the end I think will be losers out of all of this. The strife will weaken all Muslims even if Shias come out stronger, and more problematic is the that the Syria conflict has heavily damaged da'wa efforts. The videos of beheadings and killings with Allahu Akbar shouts has done A LOT of damage to all Muslims regardless of sect. Many of those who were born in Muslim families and had doubts will be put off and potential converts to Islam will also be put off. These videos will also be ammunition for Evangelical Christians or even militant atheists who compete with Muslims in converting people to their faith (and yes I consider atheism to be a kind of faith).  

 

 

The war in syria has escalated and the "rebels" are no longer made up by a majority of inexperienced/incompetent fighters. Those people already got disillusioned and left, or got  killed etc. The bulk of what is left are hardened foreign fighters with many years of experience and extensive combat skills. They are well financed and have long reaching networks. The commanders are criminals and murderers (many of them are ex saddam officers) but they are competent on the battle field.

 

 

 

I agree that they are battled hardened fighters these foreign fighters. But they are only organized as a micro-level, they're vision of the future is nihilistic and all they want is power and destruction. They are very stubborn and unstable and they will by the very nature of what they are fight each other till the last drop of blood. Assad and Shi'is only give them some larger abstract meaning to fight at this moment, but their true enemies are themselves because these groups in the end are not competing against Shi'ism but against each other for power, prestige, following and money. No Shi'a leader will inspire these guys and draw them away, but rival Salafi militia leaders can which makes them the real danger to other militia leaders.

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asslamallikum,

 

al-Mufeed: I know Israel is a persistent 'player', but I do not see "jewish conspiracies" behind everything. As someone who grew-up and lived with a jewish-sounding name, believe me, jews have a lot to be paranoid about --they just let this get-the-best-of-them sometimes.

 

But I do wonder why the "religious jewish students" -whatever their name is-- are now going to be drafted. After the last 65 years, why now.?

 

What is scaring their leadership?

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The only end I can see is if the conveyor belt of petro dollars is cut off somehow. 

 

1) A revolution or coup de etat in Hijaz that results in the removal of Al Saud from power.

2) A new power source that makes oil irrelevant - Nuclear Fusion, Cheap, Efficient batteries that have a large storage capacity

, Solar Panels, etc

3) In-fighting between the Al Saud family that results in them killing each other off (this is my favorite scenario, and the coolest one by far) 

 

A combination of 2 and 3 are the most likely. As alternative energy sources like wind, solar, hydrogen become cheaper and more practical (which has been happening steadily during the last 10 years), oil will become less valuble. Within a few years, I would say that alternative energy sources will start to become price competitive with oil, then you will see a mass movement away from oil and the price of oil will begin dropping. In addition to the price competitiveness of alternative energy sources, you have many people around the world who are sick and tired of the environment and the atmosphere being damaged almost to the point of no return in order to make a few people rich. Another incentive to abandon the petro based economy. 

 

 

Once that starts to happen, you will see the US/EU gradually pull away their support from Al Saud and the other Gulf monarchies. The govts of US and EU know very well that the taxpayers of their countries have no stomach for bankrolling the 'sheiks' and their gold plated 747s.  At the point where the dumb spoiled brats in Hijaz wake up from their cocaine induced comas and realize what is going on, it will be too late, and they will begin fighting with each other over the s[Edited Out]s left over from the kingdom. 

 

Then the petro dollar conveyor belt will disappear and the takfiris will disappear back into their caves. This is what I am hoping. It is one possibility, but there are other more scary ones. I like to think happy thoughts. 

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The most, it is going to take the Syrian government and its allies is (2 years) to finish the job. By the end of summer-2014, the entire rebel strongholds will fall... then it is going to be pockets ambushes or bombings across the country for another 16 months or so...

After Yabroud, I think Aleppo will be the target of the Syrian government.. which after a month or so of bloody battle will fall..once that happens, the rebels are done... East Syria and Kurdish regions are out of control because the government let it be and it does not want to be involved across the country.. those regions are easily controlled when the right times come... 1 year ago ppl on this forum or outside never seen the current developments and acheivements coming... they all believed Syria is not going to be under the 'regime' control again by force... BUT, the Syrian government and its allies FORCED the terrorists out of many cities!

 

In case you guys did not notice, Saudi, Qatar, Turkey and other Gulf states are already scared of the outcomes and they are enlisting them as terrorists and trying to distance themselves from them something that they don't enjoy, but out of helplessness!

 

And thank God, it is not going to spread to Lebanon or Iraq.... they wish! And that was the plan, but they lost it. They will never have the courage to go into an open war in Iraq (they could not even do it in Anbar with the backing of many locals) and in Lebanon even the terrorist groups like Azam brigades is announcing that it is sorry for Shia-civilians death that happened under their bombings some weeks ago.

 

All the Syrian government needs to do is to go strong against these ppl, never give them a chance, never stop ambushing them, going after them repeatedly every day! 2 years is the max I believe.

 

And as we speak, I got news from some sources that militants and Takfiris in Yabroud came to conclusion that they can no longer hold onto the areas and they must find ways to exit the areas and give up as they did in Qusayr. The west and Saudis or anybody else is in no position to help a divided and animal-like juncle boys or to organize them for current battles or the wars that will be imposed on them soon!

 

OP: you are giving in too much to these Salafi jungle boys with a lot of creditd to say they can hold on for "a decade" to fight in Syria. That is not going to happend.

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(salam)

 

He said: Amir al-Mu’mineen عليه السلام was asked about His verse, “But the factions among them differed” (43:65).

So he said: So wait for the relief from three [things].

So it was said: O Amir al-Mu’mineen, what are they?

So he said:

 

The schism of the people of Sham (Syria) between themselves,

 

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the black standards from Khurasan (greater Iran, inclusive of Afghanistan),

 

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and the terror in the month of Ramadan.

 

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So it was said: And what is the terror of the month of Ramadan?

 

So he said: Have you not heard the saying of Allah عزوجل in the Qur’an: “If We will, We can send down on them from the sky a sign so that their necks would remain bowed before it” (26:4)

 

It is the sign that will take the women out from their boudoirs, awaken the sleeper, and terrify the awake. (Nu`mani’s Ghayba) 

 

- www.imamiyya.com

 

The solution is the Qa'im (ajtf).

 

(wasalam) 

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The conveyer belt of petro dollar produced mass murderer terrorists seems to be perpetual. As the last 30+ years have shown us, Saudis Frankenstein monsters only seem to be growing in number and getting more unstable and dangerous.

 

The situation in syria is beyond repair, and these terrorists will probably continue fighting for another decade at least at the way things are going currently. The other countries in the region are at the brink of entering in to the conflict as well, especially lebanon and Iraq.

 

Does any one see any reasonable end to this situation, aside from mass chaos and darkness engulfing the region for god knows how long?

Its hard to tell whats gonna happen but my take is the west is waiting for Syrias chemical arsenal to be defanged. Its going ahead as we speak. During this time they will lay off Assad and this is the reason for the recent vctories. however he will not be able to finsh it off and when the threat to israel is gone from the chemicals falling into jihadist hands, then they will restart the arms flow to their groups. This does not mean the west want AQ or isis or nusra etc they would have these slaughtered anyway. They have their own groups been trained in Jordan made of of tribes bedoiuns who are close to the jordanian saudi tribes. My guess in a few years time maybe more when both assad hezbalah and the jihadists are exhausted waisted and depleted they will unleash the 3rd force to take over all of syria. This force will be trusted fresh and armed to the teeth unlike the fsa nusra etc which they used and never wanted in power. The end result will be another 5 years or more as the third force is only in early develpment and recruitment stage. As for anyone thinking this war will end soon with a victor you will be dissapointed as all sides on the ground today are doomed.

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The conveyer belt of petro dollar produced mass murderer terrorists seems to be perpetual. As the last 30+ years have shown us, Saudis Frankenstein monsters only seem to be growing in number and getting more unstable and dangerous.

The situation in syria is beyond repair, and these terrorists will probably continue fighting for another decade at least at the way things are going currently. The other countries in the region are at the brink of entering in to the conflict as well, especially lebanon and Iraq.

Does any one see any reasonable end to this situation, aside from mass chaos and darkness engulfing the region for god knows how long?

Yes end of takfiri terror is very near in Syria.

Gone are the days of hands in the glove approach of Shia towards Salafis. Shia by their religious makeup are extremely lousy at killing/hurting other Muslims (Sunnis or Salafis) but are top level fighters when it comes to defending their ground against non-Muslims (as we have seen in Lebanon, Pakistan, Afghanistan).

Salafis were lucky that they had Shia as their imaginary foes so they killed them and destroyed their lives and communities without the fear of reprisal.

Of late, Salafis messed with moral less, less ethical peoples. Thence comes the pictures of 'Morsi in the clown cage', 'free for all live bullet showers on Ikhwan in Egypt', some factions of Saudi thugs abandoning some of Salafi gangs so wait for evaporation of Salafis in certain parts of the world.

But the real fun would begin when secular Syrians will be done with protecting their keep. The Baathist Syria reprisal would be brutal, would be merciless, would be non-ethical. It won't surpirse me if all, 100% of, the Salafi mosques would be blown into pieces in Syria, anybody caught with a shaved mustache and long beard would be skinned alive in the Syrian prisons, all burqa clad would be chased off to the hell and so on.

Salafi honeymoon of terror was over when they moved away from killing only the Shia and started messing up with so called secular regimes.

Meanwhile when the gutters are being cleansed, just hunker down and watch the show, just like our righteous ancestors did when Banu Abbas were given blood ghusl by invading Mongols.

the end result will be another 5 years or more as the third force is only in early develpment and recruitment stage. As for anyone thinking this war will end soon with a victor you will be dissapointed as all sides on the ground today are doomed.

I agree but disagree, one thing I've learned about Lebanese' method of doing things (by following the news for past decade or so), contingency planning is given 100x more weight than a blind jump into the fire pit. All those who thought they got involved in Syria on a religious-emotional pretext to protect 'just' the Sayeeda Zainab are mistaken. It was a very calculated and thoughtful move. One dividend has already been showing up in the form of trained legions among Shia Arabs of greater ME, something which was unheard of 3 years ago.

Those who are tasked with contingency planning would already be aware of the 3rd, 4th, and 5th plans of the Saudi psychos and would be preparing accordingly.

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By the way, is it just me or are we gradually seeing a more and more polarized alliance between Shias and Orthodox Christians (+ Arab Marxists) on the one hand, and Sunnis and Zionists (Jewish and Christian) on the other? Obviously the division is not absolute, but it is visible. 

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By the way, is it just me or are we gradually seeing a more and more polarized alliance between Shias and Orthodox Christians (+ Arab Marxists) on the one hand, and Sunnis and Zionists (Jewish and Christian) on the other? Obviously the division is not absolute, but it is visible. 

In the future it will become more of an political alliance than ideological illiance - i.e. political Sunnis and their allies vs. political Shias with their allies. But it should not let Shia forget their ideological differences to their political allies. Also Sufi Sunnis seem to be on the side of Shia.

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There is another option which for some reason has eluded all of you here. A sunni majority nation lile Syria ousts the vicious alawite dictator whose family has oppressed them for generations. That might be a better outcome... I guess shi'ite regional dominance and shrines is more important then that though so it would be ideal if the sunni forces get crushed at the expense of these goals. Oh and btw dont forget to cry about the 'massacres' in Bahrain where in 3 years, 95 shi'ite protestors have died. Now that is truly an atrocity compared to the 100,000s of 'wahabi, takfiri, bakris' dying in Syria.

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 رواية النعماني في الغيبة/279 ، عن أبي جعفر عليه السلام قال: يا جابر لايظهر القائم حتى يشمل الناس بالشام فتنة يطلبون المخرج منها فلا يجدونه ، ويكون قتل بين الكوفة والحيرة قتلاهم على سواء ، وينادي مناد من السماء ).

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A lot of interesting replies. I think that br. Hannibal had a very good analysis. I had realized this for some time but what you said is true - sunni Islam as a political movement is on its death bed. It really started with the end of the ottoman empire - people had grown so tired of centuries of "islamic rule" they sided with the British and virtually the entire arab-muslim world took down the last sunni empire. Since then - there have been waves of sunni movements to try and restore a sunni "islamic- state" but all of them have been failed and usually bring  a long with them extreme savagery, No reasonable minded sunni - even those who are practicing put any faith in these groups or ideas any more.

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Paki government recently received the 1st installment of the $3 billon deal with Saudi government to ship battle hardened Takfiri Taliban to Syria. The terror man power will be shipped along with the paki made anti-tank and anti-air launch pads.

Although a very bad news for Syrians and resistance there but also a sure shot doom and gloom for Pakistan too as the blow back would reach Pakistan this time which is already sandwiched between three of the BRIIC nations.

Would Syria be able to counter this new waves of trained fighters?

How far the Paki terror exports would take the Syrian 'revolution'?

Of late these Paki Takfiris have been slaughtering defenseless men, women, and children; how would they fare against the revved up Syrian Arab Army and it's Shia allies?

Would Pakistan be able to counter the anti-takfiri political forces with deep pocket allies in its immediate neighbors?

Would Pakistan become the new Syria with Takfiris in the receiving end?

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The battle of qalamon that is going on now will be the final nail in the coffin. Once hizballah secures the Lebanese Syrian border then the war will be over. The whole plan from the beginning was to cut off syrian regime from Hizballah by controlling Qusayer, Arsal, and yabrud . Once they isolate Hizballah then takfiris have a clear path on Damascus and once they were done with that they were going turn and come after Hizballah. But Hizballah victory in Quysar changed everything. All Hizballah have to do now is secure yabrud and everything else will just be left overs. Thats why their are more then 10000 takfiris in yabrud and the battle is taking long its not an easy battle. Takfiris and Israel know all their hopes rest on The Qalamon battle.

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I honestly expect the rebels to take Damascus soon. There are rumors that Saudi Arabia is working with the US and Jordan to start a very powerful attack from the south upwards. Surprisingly, shia narrations say that Sufyani will emerge from the Daraa-Jordan area. I think it's close. Wallahu a3lam. 

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Salam,

Yes sufyani is an inenviable sign. However, are there any authentic narrations which tell whether it is going to be a person or will it a group/idealogy? How do we know that it is not something 100 years down the road, why now? It isn't like syria has not had its problems in the past. :)

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A lot of interesting replies. I think that br. Hannibal had a very good analysis. I had realized this for some time but what you said is true - sunni Islam as a political movement is on its death bed. It really started with the end of the ottoman empire - people had grown so tired of centuries of "islamic rule" they sided with the British and virtually the entire arab-muslim world took down the last sunni empire. Since then - there have been waves of sunni movements to try and restore a sunni "islamic- state" but all of them have been failed and usually bring  a long with them extreme savagery, No reasonable minded sunni - even those who are practicing put any faith in these groups or ideas any more.

 

I follow George Carlin's view on inteligence of the mass where the categorized more than half of any population as not so bright or as he call it 'below average'. Given the number of Sunnis, the stupid half would more than enough to wreak havoc and fuel conflicts for long to come. 100 years ago there was Khilafat movement and the likes, then the sunni passion downgraded to MB about 50-60 years ago, then it sank to AQ around 25 years ago and now to ISIS. The movement has gotten stupider, harsher, and more brutal as the time passes. While political Islam might be on its death bead, dumb sunni jihadis will outlast it through serving as proxies and conscripts for highest bidders for sometimes to come and of course under the banner of their caliphate.

Furthermore, while ordinary sunnis might distance themselves from these takfiris but push comes to shove they will side with them and even join them as history has shown. We did not have takfiris in Afghanistan or Iraq, Syria, or Lebanon before. We do now and that too from the local Sunni population.

In the future it will become more of an political alliance than ideological illiance - i.e. political Sunnis and their allies vs. political Shias with their allies. But it should not let Shia forget their ideological differences to their political allies. Also Sufi Sunnis seem to be on the side of Shia.

That is already the case. Russia, China, or Syria are hardly aligned with Iran based on ideology but political expedience and vice versa. Saudi, Qatar, Israel, and the West likewise.

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That is already the case. Russia, China, or Syria are hardly aligned with Iran based on ideology but political expedience and vice versa. Saudi, Qatar, Israel, and the West likewise.

Hello,

 

I have noticed the increased activity in Iranian State media trying to cement this Russia - China - Iran anti-Western block.  All activities of China and Russia are presented in a positive light and the activities of the West are presented as negative.

 

And yes, the ideologies certainly do not match.  In Iran you will not hear of the Qurans, altered by the Chinese Communist Party, that Muslims are forced to use.  You will not hear that all "legal" Mosques are controlled by the Chinese Communist Party.  And, you will not hear that the Chinese Communist Party prohibits women wearing head scarves.  But, let any of those things happen in the West and the Iranian media will churn out the news copy!   

 

This increase in activity seems to roughly correspond to the deletion of "Leader of the Islamic Revolution" title attributed to Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.  Now, in Iranian state news media, he is referred to as "Leader."  Has anyone else noticed this?

 

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David

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Hello,

 

I have noticed the increased activity in Iranian State media trying to cement this Russia - China - Iran anti-Western block.  All activities of China and Russia are presented in a positive light and the activities of the West are presented as negative.

 

And yes, the ideologies certainly do not match.  In Iran you will not hear of the Qurans, altered by the Chinese Communist Party, that Muslims are forced to use.  You will not hear that all "legal" Mosques are controlled by the Chinese Communist Party.  And, you will not hear that the Chinese Communist Party prohibits women wearing head scarves.  But, let any of those things happen in the West and the Iranian media will churn out the news copy!   

 

This increase in activity seems to roughly correspond to the deletion of "Leader of the Islamic Revolution" title attributed to Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.  Now, in Iranian state news media, he is referred to as "Leader."  Has anyone else noticed this?

 

All the Best,

David

 

The Quran is not altered by any political party within China. Every religious institution in China is under control of the communist government.

Muslim women are also not prohibited from wearing head scarves within China. What you stated is a lie.

You are a liar.

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^ Quite rude.  But, I realize you are a young man that has yet to gain control of his tongue.

 

Before you call me a liar, why don't you travel to Xinjiang and ask the Muslims there.  From your posts, I would guess it would be your first trip outside the State of Florida.

 

All the Best,

David

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(salam)

 

Back to Post #1 and the original Q: what will it take to end this?

 

Syria is fighting: -criminals massed released from prisons;

-experienced fighters,

-massive assistance from the hezshatan,

-western intelligence assets,

-a few covert drone strikes,

-disruption and infiltration of their mlty commo,

-influxes of wannabe jihadis

-et alia

 

There are only two basic paths now:

1) there is no choice but to kill this down

2) have a committee begin planning reconstruction estimates

.          --and committees to begin planning reconstruction from the sewers upward.

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I follow George Carlin's view on inteligence of the mass where the categorized more than half of any population as not so bright or as he call it 'below average'. Given the number of Sunnis, the stupid half would more than enough to wreak havoc and fuel conflicts for long to come. 100 years ago there was Khilafat movement and the likes, then the sunni passion downgraded to MB about 50-60 years ago, then it sank to AQ around 25 years ago and now to ISIS. The movement has gotten stupider, harsher, and more brutal as the time passes. While political Islam might be on its death bead, dumb sunni jihadis will outlast it through serving as proxies and conscripts for highest bidders for sometimes to come and of course under the banner of their caliphate.

Furthermore, while ordinary sunnis might distance themselves from these takfiris but push comes to shove they will side with them and even join them as history has shown. We did not have takfiris in Afghanistan or Iraq, Syria, or Lebanon before. We do now and that too from the local Sunni population.

 

 

The sunni world is going to regulate Islam to the masjid, and history books and thats it. Look at egypt for example. 

 

This is the biggest show case of that, ikhwan al muslimeen has been active in egypt for over 80 years.

 

80+  years of grass root level movement in egyptian society - and they couldnt even last 2 years. The backlash was so bad, they started burning their offices and killing ikhwan members in the streets, arrested every major ikhwan leader and deemed the entire organization an illegal terrorist group. 

 

Contrast with Islaimc Republic who has been in power for 30+ years and  has faced every sort of soft and hard war campaign imaginable - both externally and internally, and is at this point stronger than it probably ever has been.

 

And ikhwan were the supposed "moderate" sunnis. 

 

Ignorant sunni masses may be supporting these morons in Syria for now, but for how long?

 

Whats important is that most - if not all intellectual sunni ideologues have all essentially disbanded and given up on islamist ideas. Note that through out the sunni world almost all the major sunni ideologues eventually grow disillusioned and just accept democracy and western style governance as the only way "forward".

 

Either that or just accept and bow to what ever system is in place in their countries - like in saudi. 

 

With out intellectuals to mobilize the masses the people will eventually grow tired of these barbarian "jihadists" and essentially leave religion all together, and just become like westerners - go to masjid (church) once a week, fast in shahr ramadhan, and may be go to hajj once in their life, and thats about it.

 

Their leadership is getting more and more pathetic, if you look at the middle east - the leaders who these sunni groups admire and whose pictures they hold up is a real indication of how desperate they have become to hold on to any one who is sunni in any sort of leadership position - no matter what. 

For example:

 

Rafic Harriri

 

Saad Hariri

 

King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia

 

Erdogan

 

Bin Laden

 

Saddam

 

Their situation is absolutely pitiful. 

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There doesn't seem to be an end in sight as long as such staggering sums (if true) are being provided to prop up a dying regime. I mean the Iranian people would be shocked and outraged at this use of their treasure.

 

Azzam Tamimi عزام @AzzamTamimi Mar 16

Haitham Al-Malih in Copenhagen today: #Iran initially paid #Syria's regime $12 billion and has since been paying it $1/2 billion monthly

 

https://twitter.com/AzzamTamimi/status/445273966798983168

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