Are The Men Of 'lot' Heterosexual Not Homosexual?

[Faithfully999]

Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name of Allah, The All Compassionate, The All Merciful. As salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh; The peace be upon you, and The Mercy of Allah and HIS Blessings.

 

 

 

 

When Science is Context Three Questions Show

 

 

 

"Applying these studies as an element of context within the Quranic Lot story, the story shows a condemnation of lustful homosexual acts of heterosexual men, and not a condemnation of homosexual acts of homosexual men. In other words, and the thesis of this short article, the men of the Quranic Lot story are heterosexual men not homosexual men. To support this thesis, I will share three commonsensical questions that must be asked about the Quranic Lot story when these studies become part of the story's context."

 

 

I wasn't able to watch all of this study. I pray that you have better results.   Wassalaam.   Faithfully999

 

 

 

[Ali Musaaa :)]

This is beyond a joke. 

[shiamehdi14]

Where the people of Lut really the first ones to do homosexual acts as it states in the Quran, "And [mention] Lot, when he said to his people, "Indeed, you commit such immorality as no one has preceded you with from among the worlds. (surah Ankabut; ayat 28). Because some historians think homosexuality existed in civilizations prior to that of Lut.

[baqar]

homosexuality existed in civilizations prior to that of Lut.

 

Of course,  it did.

 

It is a way of speech. 

 

If you brother or sister falls into the crevice, you could say something like that.

 

You could say -  'No one in the family has done this sort of thing'.

 

Such statements are not to be taken literally. 

 

The Quran's style precludes it from being a book that should be taken word for word.

[shiamehdi14]

Of course,  it did.

 

It is a way of speech. 

 

If you brother or sister falls into the crevice, you could say something like that.

 

You could say -  'No one in the family has done this sort of thing'.

 

Such statements are not to be taken literally. 

 

The Quran's style precludes it from being a book that should be taken word for word.

Thank you for clearing that up brother. The reason i asked in the first place was beecause there was an article i read saying that the Quraan contained inaccuracies because of this and that. The article didn't phase me too much because i was thinking the same thing that you posted.

[baqar]

The Quran has a style of its own.

 

You cannot just assume what the literal might seem to indicate.  You have to understand  the style.

 

There are heaps of examples like the one you have given.

[baqar]

For example, when Lot says 'here are my daughters', he may not have meant his own daughters only, rather the daughters of the community.

 

It is very unlikely that addressing a large audience, he could have just meant only the two daughters of his own.

[IloveImamHussain]

Not only were the people of Lot homosexuals, but they practiced a very aggressive form of homosexuality (public displays of homosexual acts etc.) which wasn't prevalent before. 

 

Perhaps like sex is being trivialized in the modern world.  

[Sumerian]

Surah Al-Araf (TMQ Dr Mohsin)

And (remember) Lût (Lot), when he said to his people: "Do you commit the worst sin such as none preceding you has committed in the 'Alamîn (mankind and jinn)? (80) "Verily, you practise your lusts on men instead of women. Nay, but you are a people transgressing beyond bounds (by committing great sins)." (81)

He says "you practise your lusts on MEN instead of women".

[Son of Placid]

This is beyond a joke. 

I wish I could agree.

In our minds it's ridiculous and we would never think about it but that is because we are not of those trying to make homosexuality a "norm" in today's society. Lies quickly become truth to the wanting if the right person says so. This is why we see Sochi as the "rainbow" Olympics.

[baqar]

This is why we see Sochi as the "rainbow" Olympics.

 

In 100 years or may be even 20, our planet will probably be the most 'rainbow' planet in the entire universe. 

[Son of Placid]

In 100 years or may be even 20, our planet will probably be the most 'rainbow' planet in the entire universe. 

Imagine the day we have to publically admit we're not gay...Those who chant peace and love will hate us.

[ChristianVisitor]

The people of Sodom were homosexuals. Not only did they engage in private homosexual activities between two men, but practiced homosexual gang-rape. In this case, they wanted to gang rape two messengers of God. That is why God wanted to destroy that filthy city according to Genesis 18:20-33.

In 100 years or may be even 20, our planet will probably be the most 'rainbow' planet in the entire universe. 

 

And then Jesus will come back and destroy his enemies.

Edited March 10, 2014 by ChristianVisitor

[Faithfully999]

Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name of Allah, The All Compassionate, The All Merciful. As salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh; The peace be upon you, and The Mercy of Allah and HIS Blessings.

 

 

I cannot believe that Allaah, Glory and Honour, Be To HIM, sent two angels to destroy a city, simply because it was heterosexual. Since when is homosexuality not sinful.  And what of gay marriage? The precept be fruitful and multiply, is meaningless in a gay marriage, or, am I being remiss here?  It appears that only the most sincere believers, Muslims, will accept the fact that the first trumpet sounded, in the early 1980's (thirty-four years ago). Everybody else seems to be laughing it off. Why is it said, that he who laughs last, laughs best? 

 

 

Wassalaam.   Faithfully999

[Faithfully999]

Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name of Allah, The All Compassionate, The All Merciful. As salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh; The peace be upon you, and The Mercy of Allah and HIS Blessings.

 

 

Just curious, however, is it commonly accepted in (any) religion, that (the community of) Adam PBUH, and Eve, were homo-sexually oriented?  Is it to be understood that this was the reason for their being expelled from paradise?

 

 

I have a problem with celebrities using their status for indecent means, and today it is widespread. It seems to be, a new form of prostitution.

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/no-hesitation-for-networks-airing-sam-reaction1-051214  No hesitation for networks airing Sam reaction

 

 

 

 

Wassalaam.   Faithfully999

Edited May 18, 2014 by Faithfully999

[Son of Placid]

Just curious, however, is it commonly accepted in (any) religion, that (the community of) Adam PBUH, and Eve, were homo-sexually oriented?  Is it to be understood that this was the reason for their being expelled from paradise?

 

Where did you get that from? Adam and Evan? Must be different book.

[Faithfully999]

Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name of Allah, The All Compassionate, The All Merciful. As salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh; The peace be upon you, and The Mercy of Allah and HIS Blessings.

 

 

Salaam Son of Placid.

 

Where did you get that from? Adam and Evan? Must be different book.

 

See my PM.   Wassalaam.   Faithfully999

[Son of Placid]

Many people are willing to change history for the sake of keeping the lifestyle they like.

I wouldn't buy a car from them either.

[andres]

Imagine the day we have to publically admit we're not gay...Those who chant peace and love will hate us.

Sorry to say Son of Placid but this is nothing but ignorant rubbish. The percentage heterosexuals have always been above 90% of the human population and there is no reason this will change.

In 100 years or may be even 20, our planet will probably be the most 'rainbow' planet in the entire universe.

The only reason our planet is more rainbow than before is that the rainbow people, that always have been a small minority, in civilised countries today can admit they are different without being mobbed, or even risking their life

The American Psychological Association, American Psychiatric Association, and National Association of Social Workers stated in 2006:

“ Currently, there is no scientific consensus about the specific factors that cause an individual to become heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual—including possible biological, psychological, or social effects of the parents' sexual orientation. However, the available evidence indicates that the vast majority of lesbian and gay adults were raised by heterosexual parents and the vast majority of children raised by lesbian and gay parents eventually grow up to be heterosexual.[2] ”

The Royal College of Psychiatrists stated in 2007:

“ Despite almost a century of psychoanalytic and psychological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person's fundamental heterosexual or homosexual orientation. It would appear that sexual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of genetic factors and the early uterine environment. Sexual orientation is therefore not a choice.[4]

Edited May 18, 2014 by andres

[Son of Placid]

Sorry to say Son of Placid but this is nothing but ignorant rubbish. The percentage heterosexuals have always been above 90% of the human population and there is no reason this will change.

The only reason our planet is more rainbow than before is that the rainbow people, that always have been a small minority, in civilised countries today can admit they are different without being mobbed, or even risking their life

The American Psychological Association, American Psychiatric Association, and National Association of Social Workers stated in 2006:

“ Currently, there is no scientific consensus about the specific factors that cause an individual to become heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual—including possible biological, psychological, or social effects of the parents' sexual orientation. However, the available evidence indicates that the vast majority of lesbian and gay adults were raised by heterosexual parents and the vast majority of children raised by lesbian and gay parents eventually grow up to be heterosexual.[2] ”

The Royal College of Psychiatrists stated in 2007:

“ Despite almost a century of psychoanalytic and psychological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person's fundamental heterosexual or homosexual orientation. It would appear that sexual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of genetic factors and the early uterine environment. Sexual orientation is therefore not a choice.[4]

Minority rules...In NA anyway. It won't be long before we will have to apologize to every gay person for every infraction our fore fathers ever imposed on them in the past, much the same as we are suppose to apologize to every native American for stealing their land a century or so ago..

[baqar]

It won't be long before we will have to apologize to every gay person for every infraction our fore fathers ever imposed on them in the past

 

We are lucky to be born in times when God seems to be overlooking our faults far more than in the days of yore.

 

If He decides to go back to HIs earlier Ways, the world would probably be destroyed before the day comes when we need to apologize to homosexuals for the infractions imposed on them in the past.  

[andres]

Minority rules...In NA anyway. It won't be long before we will have to apologize to every gay person for every infraction our fore fathers ever imposed on them in the past, much the same as we are suppose to apologize to every native American for stealing their land a century or so ago..

Hmmmm.... Minorities rule in NA???? Gays and Indians??? Maybe you should reconsider this?

[Son of Placid]

Hmmmm.... Minorities rule in NA???? Gays and Indians??? Maybe you should reconsider this?

Maybe I should consider moving to Sweden?

Not saying gays and Indians rule NA. Can't forget the atheist lobbyists, and any other small movement that can afford to lobby. The majority of people go to work every day, come home and wonder what the world is coming to. What they don't know is that another lobbyist has managed to wiggle his way in and get another law passed.

 

Imagine if all of the USA prohibited pick-up trucks from being parked on the street or in your own driveway from 7 pm to 7 am. It is in Florida. A law was passed to hide the ugly vehicles, although the two top vehicles sold in the US are the Ford F series, and the Chevy Silverado. Pick-up trucks. Obviously this law was not an American majority vote.

[andres]

Hi Son

We do have a much smaller indian population but the 5% gays is the same as everywhere. Sweden is less religious than USA thou. But life is good here, high taxes ensure everybody free education and free health care. Maybe the reason.

[baqar]

We do have a much smaller indian population 

 

Your Indian population comes from India. His Indian population is native North American for thousands of years. 

[andres]

Your Indian population comes from India. His Indian population is native North American for thousands of years.

Actually I was thinking about American Indians in Sweden as a paralell to SoP. But if course you are right. There are many more Asian Indians than American ones in Europe. Maybe also in USA.

[Son of Placid]

Hi Son

We do have a much smaller indian population but the 5% gays is the same as everywhere. Sweden is less religious than USA thou. But life is good here, high taxes ensure everybody free education and free health care. Maybe the reason.

As I was saying, when was the last time a 5% population took over, the Olympics, had a parade, stole the whole rainbow, changed words in the English language, etc?

[baqar]

As I was saying, when was the last time a 5% population took over, the Olympics, had a parade, stole the whole rainbow, changed words in the English language, etc?

 

They have sanitized their ungodly sinfulness by  abusing the beautiful word "gay" to mean "homosexual" - a lovely word which used to mean "happy".  

[Son of Placid]

They didn't like being called queer, although the definition is much closer to reality. Now they've taken a rainbow as their symbol of...pride.

So are the rest of us to be referred to as "non-gays" soon? 

 

In the face of every pro gay argument, I remember an interview with Little Richard. (Richard Wayne Penniman)

 

One of a dozen kids in a very religious family, except his father. His uncles were ministers, and he spent most of his time in one church or another. He learned to sing, and play piano there.

 

His father kicked him out of the house at 13 for his effeminate homosexual tendencies.

 

He went on to become one of the top chart leaders in the evolving world of rock n roll. Won a lifetime achievement award for his music. 

 

In this interview he mentioned his homosexual past. Past... He was on an airplane when something happened and they all thought they were going to die. He prayed if God got him through this he'd give up his homosexuality. God got him through it, not only did he go straight, but dropped out of the R&R scene to concentrate on gospel music. He also got married...to a woman. He said he never looked back. As usual, God is the best cure.

[baqar]

As usual, God is the best cure.

 

Absolutely

[andres]

As I was saying, when was the last time a 5% population took over, the Olympics, had a parade, stole the whole rainbow, changed words in the English language, etc?

Dont be silly. Homos are being persecuted in many societies, but to find an example of the opposite is rather impossible. A rainbow parade and an anti-rainbow parade changes little.

[Son of Placid]

Dont be silly. Homos are being persecuted in many societies, but to find an example of the opposite is rather impossible. A rainbow parade and an anti-rainbow parade changes little.

Of course it changes little, but it's videoed, and promoted in such a way children hear it and think they have a choice.

 

Then there's the findings of the Russian doctors.

[andres]

Of course it changes little, but it's videoed, and promoted in such a way children hear it and think they have a choice.

Then there's the findings of the Russian doctors.

I have never seen a video that say you can choose your sexual orientation. I have seen those ssying you do not have to deny your sexual orientation. This is not the same. Wake up.

As for your link. If it is true, it verifies that sexual orientation is something you are born with and not something you can choose. Do you really think you could choose to become a homosexual and enjoy it, just like that??

[Son of Placid]

I have never seen a video that say you can choose your sexual orientation. I have seen those ssying you do not have to deny your sexual orientation. This is not the same. Wake up.

As for your link. If it is true, it verifies that sexual orientation is something you are born with and not something you can choose. Do you really think you could choose to become a homosexual and enjoy it, just like that??

Nobody is going to make a video telling people they have the choice to become homo, but if it's promoted in every way, it will confuse kids. I'm awake already.

 

If the link is true, it verifies that sexual orientation comes from a deficiency that can be cured. Regardless of people choosing to be homo, at least those who are have a choice to become normal. I know at least one who would gladly make that choice.

[andres]

Nobody is going to make a video telling people they have the choice to become homo, but if it's promoted in every way, it will confuse kids. I'm awake already.

If the link is true, it verifies that sexual orientation comes from a deficiency that can be cured. Regardless of people choosing to be homo, at least those who are have a choice to become normal. I know at least one who would gladly make that choice.

I guess most homosexuals would wish they were normal, but was it not so that the cure had to be made in the early childhood, before the lack of testosterone had had a permanent effect on the sexual orientation?