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Marrying Someone For A Green Card,how Risky Is It?

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Salaam to all of you,

Hope everyone is doing well.

 

I have a serious question for anyone who are residing in the US. My situation is that I'm a student on an F-1 visa and have been here for quite some time now. I was thinking, is it risky for me to legally marry an American just for a green card? I have a friend who can actually help me get it. I know it is illegal, and it seems wrong to me, but I know a guy who has gone through getting his green card and was telling me that this can work for me. And my time period is going to end soon, so not much choice. I need your opinion on this, anyone who has gone through this process. How risky is it? And how exactly is the marriage process here?

 

I would really appreciate some help on this.

 

Thank You.

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If they found out that you married for just a visa you can get banned from the united states permanently. Also you are going to have to provide proof that you are genuinely married such as wedding pictures, text messages,etc.

That's what I want to know. I have been told we will be interviewed about this. So what kind of questions will be asked? What else do they do to make sure its genuine?

Wedding pictures must not be necessary right? Since its not required in the US to do a ceremony.

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What you should do is go on a marriage website, set up a profile, and write your interest in a green card in BIG letters as your front headline. 

Yup, that'll do it.

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Do you have a genuine interest in getting married, or just want to manipulate the system? If you don't intend a real marriage, it seems a very bad idea. As I understand it, they ask VERY personal questions in the interview.

If you really want to marry, I wish you success.

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these days immigration department's all around world are too smart, spcecially if u are desi Indian or pakistani dont take a risk.


specially if u have Interest to become companion of Imam, I think avoid scams :D

 

  • Interests:To be from the companions of the Imam of our time, Imam Mohammad Al Mehdi [AS]
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Getting ready for a marriage-based green card interview? The below are sample questions to help you prepare.  Start studying…… :P

If you were an immigration officer, what would you ask? Try to imagine possible questions, and ask them of each other as you prepare for your visa or green card interview.

 

:D :D :D

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these days immigration department's all around world are too smart, spcecially if u are desi Indian or pakistani dont take a risk.

specially if u have Interest to become companion of Imam, I think avoid scams :D

 

  • Interests:To be from the companions of the Imam of our time, Imam Mohammad Al Mehdi [AS]

 

Honestly, I do feel its wrong to do it. If there was any other option for me I would have considered it, no. But I really don't have any choice at this point. This seems to be only way.

And yeah, you are right about that. Thanks for pointing out. Well, anyways I'm still thinking about this nothing's for sure now.

Getting ready for a marriage-based green card interview? The below are sample questions to help you prepare.  Start studying…… :P

Development of Your Relationship
  • Where did you meet?
  • What did the two of you have in common?
  • Where did you go for dates?
  • When did your relationship turn romantic?
  • How long was it before you decided to get married?
  • Who proposed to whom?
  • Why did you decide to have a [long, short] engagement?
  • Did your parents approve of the match? Why or why not?
The Wedding
  • How many people attended your wedding?
  • Did each of your parents attend?
  • Where was the wedding held?
  • Was there music or other entertainment?
  • What kind of cake (or other food) did you serve?
  • Who were the bridesmaids/groomsmen?
  • How late did the guests stay?
  • Did the bride change clothes for the reception?
  • Did you serve liquor? What kind?
  • Did anyone get drunk or otherwise embarrass themselves at the reception? Who? Describe.
  • What time did you and the [bride or groom] leave the reception?
  • Did you go on a honeymoon? When did you leave? How did you get there? What airlines?
Regular Routines
  • Who gets up first? At what time?
  • How many alarm clocks do you set in the morning?
  • Who makes breakfast?
  • What do each of you eat for breakfast?
  • Does your spouse drink coffee in the morning?
  • What time do the working spouse or spouses arrive home?
  • Who cleans the house?
  • What day is your garbage picked up?
  • Who takes care of paying the bills?
  • Do you have a joint bank account? Where?
  • Do you have a cat, dog, or other pet? Who feeds it? Who walks it (or cleans its kitty litter box, cage, etc.)?
  • Do you and/or your spouse attend regular religious services? Where?
  • Where do you keep the spare toilet paper?
The Kids
  • Who picks up the children at school?
  • Who packs lunches for the kids?
  • What are their favorite toys/activities?
  • What are their least favorite foods?
  • Which children (if any) still use a car seat?
  • What is your usual babysitter’s name?
The Cooking
  • How many times a week on average do you eat out?
  • What is your favorite restaurant for special occasions? For weekly outings?
  • Who does most of the cooking?
  • Who does the grocery shopping? Where?
  • Is there a particular food that you eat every week?
  • What is your spouse’s favorite/least favorite food?
  • What color are the kitchen curtains?
  • Do you have a barbecue grill? Do you use it?
Other Family Members
  • Have you met each other’s parents?
  • How often do you see each other’s parents?
  • When was the last time you saw them? Where? For how long?
  • On important holidays, do you buy individual gifts for your parents-in-law? Do they buy individual gifts for you?
  • How do each of you get along with your parents-in-law?
  • Which other members of your spouse’s family do you see frequently? When was the last time you saw them? What did you do together?
Home Technology
  • How many land-line telephones are in your house? Where are they?
  • Do you have an answering machine on your home telephone? Who checks the messages?
  • How many televisions are in the house? In which rooms? Do you watch shows together, or separately? Name one show that you always watch together.
  • Do you record any television shows?
  • Do you subscribe to a DVD rental service?
  • Does your spouse listen to the radio? What station?
  • How many cars do you have?
  • Do you have a garage? Who parks in it? Do you use a garage door opener?
  • Do you have a camera? Who uses it most often? Who takes pictures at important family occasions?
In the Bedroom
  • What size is your bed (Twin, Queen, or King)?
  • Do you have a regular mattress, futon, or waterbed?
  • How many windows are there in your bedroom?
  • What color are your spouse’s pajamas?
  • Who sleeps on each side of the bed?
  • What form of contraception (birth control) do you use?
  • When was your wife’s last menstrual period?
  • Where do you keep your toothbrushes? What kind of toothpaste, soap, and shampoo does each of you use?
  • Do either of you read or watch television before going to sleep? Do you have lamps next to your bed?
  • Have you ever had an argument that resulted in one of you sleeping in another room? Who, and which room?
The Rest of the House
  • Do you live in a home or apartment? Who pays the mortgage or rent? How much is it?
  • Is there a carpet in your front hallway? What color?Is your sofa a regular one or does it have a pull-out bed?
  • Have you ever had houseguests sleep there?
  • What type of curtains or window coverings are in your living room? What color?
  • How many staircases are in your house?
  • How many sinks, toilets, and showers are there in your house or apartment in total?
  • Do you leave any lights on when you go to sleep at night?
Celebrations
  • When is your spouse’s birthday?
  • What did you do for your spouse’s last birthday?
  • How did you celebrate your most recent wedding anniversary?
  • What religious holidays do you celebrate together?
  • What’s the most important holiday of the year in your household? Where do you typically celebrate it?
  • Have you and your spouse gone to see a movie or other form of entertainment lately? When, and what did you see?
  • What did the two of you do last New Year’s Eve? Fourth of July?

If you were an immigration officer, what would you ask? Try to imagine possible questions, and ask them of each other as you prepare for your visa or green card interview.

Thanks for the list. That'll take a while man! Yeah I was told they get very personal. 

Do you have a genuine interest in getting married, or just want to manipulate the system? If you don't intend a real marriage, it seems a very bad idea. As I understand it, they ask VERY personal questions in the interview.

If you really want to marry, I wish you success.

No, just so that I can stay and continue my education. That's it.

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(salam)

Want my honest advice? Don't do this... Since you've already posted your intentions online, some DHS agent will subpoena your online records from the peeping NSA and will find this topic (even if it gets deleted from SC). I've heard that this happens quite frequently.

 

So in short, give up and continue working with transparency...

 

Lol you're almost saying NSA will conduct his marriage-related green card interview.

 

Chill, there might have been some cases of busted online identity but so long as you remain anonymous and don't give out crucial details no one is going to find out during your interview that you're 'that online guy from SC'.

OP, It's fraud but lets face it, more than half immigrants or their parents on this website must have misrepresented their case at one time or another just to get to the glorious West. That's just how it works. If it was based on complete honestly then only the rich and the extremely skilled would be able to migrate. Anyway

 

You're already there and if it's very important for you stay there to earn or any other reason then brave up and do it. As long as you do it cleverly, wisely and with minimum noise, there shouldn't be any problem. But one thing is very important: The girl with whom you're going to have a drama of marriage should be fully on board and understand the whole thing. If you're just registering your marriage but not living together or don't know each other well, it may cause trouble gathering the requisite evidence and during the interview. You've got to produce wedding pictures (yes, a ceremony may not be necessary in the US but when you're going for a marriage-related green card interview you're expected to provide all sorts of evidence that will strengthen your case), utility bills on the same address, joint house mortgage if possible, and other such things that prove that you're having a shared life together.

 

The girl is key. Avoid those who do it for money. They might already have a past or could land you on trouble with slips of tongue. Better enroll a friend of yours if she's willing.

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Asalam Alykum,

 

Finish your studies and look for a job. Make yourself skilled enough for them to seek you. I know things are bad in most of our native countries. However, you do not know, perhaps if you apply for jobs through Bayt.com or other websites such as Reed.co.uk etc you may land a job outside of the country that will change your life for better. Don't get involved in silly stuff. I know its easier said then done because you have your situation to deal with but consider this, if that girl gets caught ever, she will give out details of everyone she may have done this with perhaps in order to obtain some sort of a a deal. If you are really interested, find a decent girl and marry her properly. It will take you same amount of time and effort to do both.

 

Good piece of advice but if he could do it that simply, he'd already have done it. The fact that he's contemplating this way means legal, straightforward options are being stymied for one reason or another. He shouldn't sign up a professional to do that. But get a friend of his who is sympathetic to his situation. This is as safe as it can get.

 

Anyway, don't know about the United States but European countries with their strict and stringent new criteria are pushing people towards shady ways to stay in those countries.

 

And it is becoming as ridiculous as it can get. During a job interview they asked a hijabi woman to tell them how frequently she and her husband have sex together and what he liked most intimate-wise. They then asked the same question to husband to match the info the woman provided.

 

New inquisition has set in. Deceive them, pull the wool over their eyes, do all you can to frustrate their retarded laws.

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You have to actually live together to prove you're married so I'm not sure how you're planning on pulling that off. Unless you're going to do katb-ktab and then get divorced? Why get yourself in such a mess? Marriage isn't a toy. 

 

I suggest trying every other option first and if that's you're final option then I suggest looking for a real-marriage. And if a real-marriage does not interest you than don't even consider this fake marriage business. 

 

My sister brought her husband here, she had to prove through pictures, whatsapp convo's, facebook convos, phone bills, interview questions and residency that they are a couple. That wasn't hard being that they actually are a couple lol. 

 

False marriages are illegal, incredibly risky and you could ruin your life playing with the law. If marriage is your only option just try to get married legit. Find a girl that will understand your situation, get to know her and see if you might actually click.

 

Lots of my gf's are married to college students and are doing fine with their partners. It's not wrong if its a legitimate marriage to someone that will be your life partner.

 

But like I said marriage isn't a tool , not in Islam nor in the legal American way. 

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I suggest trying every other option first and if that's you're final option then I suggest looking for a real-marriage. And if a real-marriage does not interest you than don't even consider this fake marriage business. 

 

 

Right now that's the only option. If I could get married for real that would be great, but I don't have that much time for that. I'm really saying this is the only option for me at this point. 

 

 

You have to actually live together to prove you're married so I'm not sure how you're planning on pulling that off. Unless you're going to do katb-ktab and then get divorced? Why get yourself in such a mess? Marriage isn't a toy. 

 

Yeah, I know marriage isn't a toy. But consider this, what if a guy did a temporary marriage with someone for this purpose, what about that? I know it seems really difficult to happen and yeah it is pretty messy, but I'm just asking if islamically is it allowed?

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.... but I'm just asking if islamically is it allowed?

 

This is something you will not get a definite answer to. This is, at best, a grey area and then there's a lot of emphasis on the Third World people to 'behave' and 'follow the law of the land' to maintain their image in the eyes of the privileged societies of the world.

 

Islam doesn't recognise borders, countries, visas and passports and with that point of view a person should be able to freely move on God's created earth. If there are laws in place that contravene the basic human right of free movement then it is probably in your right to subvert it so long as you do not harm any person or persons in the process.

 

Lest someone accuses me of laundering the fraud and justifying it through Islam, no I am not doing that. To begin with, I don't accept or recognise the restrictions in place in today's world on ordinary people (unless they are terrorists, gangsters or criminals), and this is the wellspring of my opinion.

 

The fact that in today's Orwellian world anyone found with an overdate sticker in their passports is treated like a paedophiliac rapist murderous zombie to be quarantined and banished like how hapless Jews were banished from medieval Europe speaks volumes about the sort of apartheid that has come to be accepted as norm the world over with nary a whimper from the so called champions of human rights.

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It is illegal and risky. I think you should try and exhaust all other options, is there no way you can extend your student visa? Or get some work (possibly even part time) to give you a work permit to stay there? Sorry if these are stupid suggestions or ones you may have already considered.

It seems from your posts you're somewhat uncomfortable with the idea of marriage for this purpose. Inshallah you find a solution to your problem.

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The OP is an inspiration to guys everywhere, giving us guys more trust in the eyes of our future mates.  Well done, man. 

 

Not really, he mustn't be deceiving the girl into marriage. If this is not conducted as a business transaction and everything made clear ab initio then this falls into the category of inflicting harm on a person which then would make his actions morally repugnant.

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Op, when you want to get married for real be prepared to explain to her how you obtained your green card if she asks. You may find the ladies you approach are not prepared to accept your deceitful past.

 

Yes, this is something to be considered carefully.

 

Never mind if that girl's parents themselves deceived the "system" to obtain their citizenship in the first place, their children today are too politically correct.

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Op, when you want to get married for real be prepared to explain to her how you obtained your green card if she asks. You may find the ladies you approach are not prepared to accept your deceitful past.

What's deceitful? I said I will be honest to the person I'm involving now. When getting married for real I'll say the same. What's wrong with that? The intention is to get a green card, not to fool around I said that earlier. How else do you expect me to stay and continue my education?

Anyways this is just what I'm considering now. Even I don't like to do this. But I've still got time t think this through this isn't a last minute thing. 

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  (salam)

 

Dear Brother,

 

Women these days are much smarter than they were during the 1980's or 1990's back when there was a big immigration of Pakistani and Indian immigrants. Of course you can marry a non Muslim and go that route but do you really want to use the person you will marry, and break her heart, just for a Green Card? I say use because even if suppose you were honest with her, you will only be marrying for a green card. Most may get offended.

 

I would advise you to try and find an honest American born Muslim sister who you are compatible with so that you will get what you want and will not come to regret it.

 

(wasalam)   

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Lol you're almost saying NSA will conduct his marriage-related green card interview.

 

Chill, there might have been some cases of busted online identity but so long as you remain anonymous and don't give out crucial details no one is going to find out during your interview that you're 'that online guy from SC'.

NSA can tap into your laptop's camera without the indicator light turning on. What makes you think they cannot ascertain your identity through some posts online on a public forum, let alone one of the few Shia forums??? The collusive bundle of the CIA/FBI/NSA/DIA/DHS can subpoena records among one another at ANY TIME, ANYWHERE. It also doesn't help that the OP has uploaded a selfie as his display picture, which can be easily identified by any low-level face recognition software or algorithm. 

 

In this day and age, it's a very hit-and-miss thing to fool and exploit the system in our favor. One's best bet is to work within it with as much transparency and invocation of our rights as possible. And there is no such thing as anonymity from surveillance agencies...

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No, just so that I can stay and continue my education. That's it.

The only way I could imagine anything resembling a positive outcome is if you have lots of money and marry a widow or divorcee with kids and support them, and that will only work out positively if she has no interest in ever marrying again for real.

That or marry a closet lesbian who wants a "husband" to take places so people won't gossip. If you don't have a lot of money this might be your best option.

Given that women can't have multiple husbands, you would be asking her to agree to a life alone, at least until you are done with her.

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salaam, i find this topic to be very important & op i can understand ur concern & it is very risky indeed. a close neighbour of mine went through the same thing & let me tell u the girl he made the deal with ended up showing him a living hell. he spent soooo much $$$$ on her more than he ever spent on himself since he came to the US. when he got his passport he hid the information from her cuz he didnt want to pay her large sums of money no more. it lasted only 6 months & this girl found out about the whole thing and went crazy!! threatening him that if he didnt pay her as what the deal said, she would report him to Immigration service & take everything from him. so its been like that for 1 & half years she keeps harrasing him to pay her more or she will tell immigration. 

 

so my point is u never know the type of girl u will make deal with , how do u know if she's mean & will become sneaky and conniving like the one in my story?? she might be nice at first & agree to ur deal & all , but later on she could request more than u made a deal for , or keep threaten to do u harm. as some1 above said the american women are smarter, wiser, & more informed now than 10-20 years ago. its hard to get ur way anymore with this types of things.

 

just be careful that's all & good luck.


NSA can tap into your laptop's camera without the indicator light turning on. What makes you think they cannot ascertain your identity through some posts online on a public forum, let alone one of the few Shia forums??? The collusive bundle of the CIA/FBI/NSA/DIA/DHS can subpoena records among one another at ANY TIME, ANYWHERE. It also doesn't help that the OP has uploaded a selfie as his display picture, which can be easily identified by any low-level face recognition software or algorithm. 

 

In this day and age, it's a very hit-and-miss thing to fool and exploit the system in our favor. One's best bet is to work within it with as much transparency and invocation of our rights as possible. And there is no such thing as anonymity from surveillance agencies...

 i undertsand what ur saying but maybe those things are for hunting international criminals or whatever. like do they have all the time in the world to follow a bunch of students on some online forum? how many ppl in the usa & world use the Internet? i think like hundreds of millions each week. are they really gonna follow ALL of them like they got nothing better to do? 

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