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Who Is Fatima Zahra(A.s)'s Imam

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(wasalam) Br.

It is natural. Some people get angry or disagree with their Imam/leader. So just because someone disagree on a matter with his/her Imam or get angry on some of his decisions it doesn't mean he/she doesn't acknowledge his/her Imam anymore.   

 

Allah says in the Quran 4:59, just after ordering Muslims to obey their ruler, that if you disagree on anything then refer it to Allah and the Prophet (saw).

 

Salam. 

 

Brother, do you have any credible references that show that at any time and in any manner Fatima Zahra(a.s) accepted him as her Imam ? 

 

Since she is the daughter of Rasoulallah (pbuh) , you would think that there would be some record of this. I personally have never seen it, You can't just say that she acknowledged him as her Imam when there is no evidence of this (that I am aware of) and there is lots of evidence, some of which has been posted, to the contrary. 

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All the 'rebuttals' from our sunni brothers here are but red herrings, avoiding the main issue at hand which is firmly cemented in their Sahihs.

 

 

Allah’s Messenger (SAAWS) said, "He who sees from his ruler something he dislikes, let him be patient with him, for he who splits away from the Jamaa’ah by a handspan and then dies, dies a death of Jaahiliyyah" and in a narration, "then he has thrown off the yoke of Islaam from his neck."

 

Hadith - Al-Bukhari and Muslim, and other narration by at-Tirmidhee (no. 2867) and Ahmad (4/130)

 

 

We can conclude from history that;

 

  • Abu Bakr was the temporal "..ruler.."

 

  • Zahra (as) saw "..from her ruler something that she disliked.."

 

  • Zahra  "..splitted away from the Jamaa’ah by a handspan.."

 

Leading up to the inevitably false conclusion for our sunni brothers that Fatima Zahra, "..the chief of the women of Paradise.” (Sahih-Al-Bukhari Vol. V, chapter 29) "..died the death of Jaahiliyyah.."

 

 

I assume that the need to point out the obvious fallacy of the above notion is seemingly redundant.

The case remains, Ali Ameer al momineen (as) is her imam.

 

wassalam.

 

(salam)

Brother you didn't read the narration properly nor have understand it properly. Getting angry on a matter doesn't mean splitting way from the Jama'ah. It is human nature to get angry. 

 

Keep in mind that we the Ahlus Sunnah don't interpret nor approach these narrations with a Takfiri mindset to attack a specific companion (in this case Sayyida Fatima) like Shia brothers do. We put all narrations related to the issue together to get a better picture of the matter not cherry pick. 

 

 

Salam. 

 

Brother, do you have any credible references that show that at any time and in any manner Fatima Zahra(a.s) accepted him as her Imam ? 

 

Since she is the daughter of Rasoulallah (pbuh) , you would think that there would be some record of this. I personally have never seen it, You can't just say that she acknowledged him as her Imam when there is no evidence of this (that I am aware of) and there is lots of evidence, some of which has been posted, to the contrary. 

 

(salam)

It is was not necessary for the women to go and pledge their allegiance to a leader. In case of Sayyida Fatima (ra) her Husband represented her. 

 

Also, there are narrations that even on the matter of Fadak Sayyida Fatima (ra) became pleased with Abubakr (ra). I will try to quote these narrations later. Even if she remained angry on the matter of Fadak all her life then getting angry is something natural as I already explained in my previous post. 

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(salam)

Brother you didn't read the narration properly nor have understand it properly. Getting angry on a matter doesn't mean splitting way from the Jama'ah. It is human nature to get angry. 

 

Keep in mind that we the Ahlus Sunnah don't interpret nor approach these narrations with a Takfiri mindset to attack a specific companion (in this case Sayyida Fatima) like Shia brothers do. We put all narrations related to the issue together to get a better picture of the matter not cherry pick. 

 

 

 

(salam)

It is was not necessary for the women to go and pledge their allegiance to a leader. In case of Sayyida Fatima (ra) her Husband represented her. 

 

Also, there are narrations that even on the matter of Fadak Sayyida Fatima (ra) became pleased with Abubakr (ra). I will try to quote these narrations later. Even if she remained angry on the matter of Fadak all her life then getting angry is something natural as I already explained in my previous post. 

 

“When Fatima (as) became ill, Abu Bakr visited her and asked for permission to see her. Ali (as) said to Fatima (as): ‘Abu-Bakr is asking for permission to visit you.’ Fatima (as) said: ‘Would you like me to give him permission?” Ali (as) said: ‘Yes’, so Fatima (as) granted him permission and Abu-Bakr entered with the intention of pleasing her (as). He said: ‘By Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì, I did not leave my house, wealth, family and relatives, but to please Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì, His Messenger and you Ahl al-Bayt.’ Then he requested that she be pleased with him, and so she became pleased with him.” [1]

Al-Bayhaqi, Dala’il al-Nubuwwa, vol. 7, p. 281

Al-Bayhaqi, al-I’itiqad Wal-Hidaya, vol. 1, p. 354

 

First: The narration is Mursal (has people missing in the chain of narrators). Al-Sha’bi is amongst the Tabe’in (those who were born after the Prophet (PBUH&HF) passed away) and he himself was not a witness to the event and he does not mention from who he transmits this narration. Therefore this narration has the same problem that Sunnis attribute to the narrations of al- Baladhuri and al-Tabari.

 

Second: Even if we suppose that the chain of narrators is not flawed, we still cannot accept the narrations of al-Sha’bi, as he was amongst the enemies of Amir al-Mu'minin (as) and was a Nasebi (those who swear to the Ahl al-Bayt and Imams). Al-Baladhuri and al-Ghazali narrate from al-Sha’bi that he himself has said:

“In Basra we went to see al-Hajjaj (ibn Yusof) and a group of Medina’s reciters from the children of the Muhajirin and Ansar whom Abu-Salma ibn Abdul-Rahman ibn ‘Ouf -may Allah be satisfied with him- was also among, came to see him too… Al-Hajjaj was talking to them and discussing things with them and then Ali ibn Abi Talib (as) was mentioned. And he (Abu-Salma) insulted Him (Ali) and we also insulted him (Ali) to please him (al-Hajjaj) and be safe from his wickedness...” [2]

Al-Baladhuri, Ansab al-Ashraf, vol. 4, p. 315

Al-Ghazali, Ihyaa’ Uloom al-din, vol. 2, p. 346

 

 

 

Ibn Qutaybah narrates that when Abu-Bakr and Umar came to visit her, she did not give them permission to enter. They asked Ali (as) so when Imam Ali (as) asked Lady Fatima (as), she answered: “This house is your house” As if saying: “O Ali! The house is your house; you can allow whoever you like to enter.” Amir al-Mu’minin (as), in order to make issues clear and to avoid Abu-Bakr and Umar from accusing him of not allowing them to visit and please Fatima (as), allowed them into his home. When they apologized, Lady Fatima (as) didn’t accept their apologies, rather she asked them: “I ask you by Allah, didn’t you hear the Prophet of Allah (PBUH&HF) say: ‘The satisfaction of Fatima is of my satisfaction and her anger is of my anger, whoever loves Fatima, my daughter, has loved me and whoever pleases Fatima has pleased me and whoever makes her angry has made me angry ’” They both admitted: Yes, we heard this from Allah’s Messenger.” Then Lady Fatima (as) said: “So I hold Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì and the angels (as) witness that you two have enraged me and have not pleased me, and I will complain against you to the Prophet (PBUH&HF) when I meet him.” However, she did not stop there and continued to say: “By Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì I will make prayer to Allah against you in every Salat.

(prayer) I make.” [6]

Al-Dinawari, al-Imama Wal-Siyasa, vol. 1, p. 17

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Ibn Qutaybah narrates that when Abu-Bakr and Umar came to visit her, she did not give them permission to enter. They asked Ali (as) so when Imam Ali (as) asked Lady Fatima (as), she answered: “This house is your house” As if saying: “O Ali! The house is your house; you can allow whoever you like to enter.” Amir al-Mu’minin (as), in order to make issues clear and to avoid Abu-Bakr and Umar from accusing him of not allowing them to visit and please Fatima (as), allowed them into his home. When they apologized, Lady Fatima (as) didn’t accept their apologies, rather she asked them: “I ask you by Allah, didn’t you hear the Prophet of Allah (PBUH&HF) say: ‘The satisfaction of Fatima is of my satisfaction and her anger is of my anger, whoever loves Fatima, my daughter, has loved me and whoever pleases Fatima has pleased me and whoever makes her angry has made me angry ’” They both admitted: Yes, we heard this from Allah’s Messenger.” Then Lady Fatima (as) said: “So I hold Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì and the angels (as) witness that you two have enraged me and have not pleased me, and I will complain against you to the Prophet (PBUH&HF) when I meet him.” However, she did not stop there and continued to say: “By Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì I will make prayer to Allah against you in every Salat.

(prayer) I make.” [6]

Al-Dinawari, al-Imama Wal-Siyasa, vol. 1, p. 17

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Ibn Qutaybah narrates that when Abu-Bakr and Umar came to visit her, she did not give them permission to enter. They asked Ali (as) so when Imam Ali (as) asked Lady Fatima (as), she answered: “This house is your house” As if saying: “O Ali! The house is your house; you can allow whoever you like to enter.” Amir al-Mu’minin (as), in order to make issues clear and to avoid Abu-Bakr and Umar from accusing him of not allowing them to visit and please Fatima (as), allowed them into his home. When they apologized, Lady Fatima (as) didn’t accept their apologies, rather she asked them: “I ask you by Allah, didn’t you hear the Prophet of Allah (PBUH&HF) say: ‘The satisfaction of Fatima is of my satisfaction and her anger is of my anger, whoever loves Fatima, my daughter, has loved me and whoever pleases Fatima has pleased me and whoever makes her angry has made me angry ’” They both admitted: Yes, we heard this from Allah’s Messenger.” Then Lady Fatima (as) said: “So I hold Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì and the angels (as) witness that you two have enraged me and have not pleased me, and I will complain against you to the Prophet (PBUH&HF) when I meet him.” However, she did not stop there and continued to say: “By Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì I will make prayer to Allah against you in every Salat.

(prayer) I make.” [6]

Al-Dinawari, al-Imama Wal-Siyasa, vol. 1, p. 17

al-Imama Wal-Siyasa is falsely attributed to ibn qutaybah..good try tho..better luck next time

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(salam)

Brother you didn't read the narration properly nor have understand it properly. Getting angry on a matter doesn't mean splitting way from the Jama'ah. It is human nature to get angry. 

 

Keep in mind that we the Ahlus Sunnah don't interpret nor approach these narrations with a Takfiri mindset to attack a specific companion (in this case Sayyida Fatima) like Shia brothers do. We put all narrations related to the issue together to get a better picture of the matter not cherry pick. 

 

 

 

(salam)

It is was not necessary for the women to go and pledge their allegiance to a leader. In case of Sayyida Fatima (ra) her Husband represented her. 

 

Also, there are narrations that even on the matter of Fadak Sayyida Fatima (ra) became pleased with Abubakr (ra). I will try to quote these narrations later. Even if she remained angry on the matter of Fadak all her life then getting angry is something natural as I already explained in my previous post. 

 

(salam)

 

She is no ordinary lady. She is the daughter of Rasoulallah (pbuh) . There is no credible hadith that shows that she ever accepted Abu Bakr as her Imam in any way. If you can bring one, I will revise my statement. 

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(salam)

 

She is no ordinary lady. She is the daughter of Rasoulallah (pbuh) . There is no credible hadith that shows that she ever accepted Abu Bakr as her Imam in any way. If you can bring one, I will revise my statement. 

(salam) Br.

 

No doubt about her great status, may Allah be pleased with her.

 

I think I already answered this. It was not usual for the women to go and pledge their allegiance to a leader. Ali (ra) represented Sayyida Fatima (ra). I am also not aware of any narration that show Sayyida Aisha (ra) pledging Allegiance to Abubakr (ra). 

 

Do you have any evidence that Sayyida Fatima accepted Ali as her Imam? Any evidence that She called Abubakr the illegitimate Imam?

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(salam) Br.

 

No doubt about her great status, may Allah be pleased with her.

 

I think I already answered this. It was not usual for the women to go and pledge their allegiance to a leader. Ali (ra) represented Sayyida Fatima (ra). I am also not aware of any narration that show Sayyida Aisha (ra) pledging Allegiance to Abubakr (ra). 

 

Do you have any evidence that Sayyida Fatima accepted Ali as her Imam? Any evidence that She called Abubakr the illegitimate Imam?

She was angry with him until he died though. If she accepted him, why was she still angry?

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First of all you would have to prove it to me.

Al-Dinawari, Abu Muhammad Abdullah ibn Muslim Bin Qutaybah (d. 276 H), al-Imama Wal-Siyasa (The

Imamate/rule and politics), vol. 1, p. 17, on the topic of “How did the allegiance of Ali proceed”,

investigation/study: Khalil al-Mansoor, publisher: Dar al-Kutub al-Ilmiyya, Beirut, 1418 H / 1997 AD

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You can even see for yourself: http://www.ziyaraat.net/books/AlImamaWalSiyasa.pdf

Wow I have to prove it to YOU...nah pal you bought it to me so it's your job to prove its authencity to me....

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(salam) Br.

 

No doubt about her great status, may Allah be pleased with her.

 

I think I already answered this. It was not usual for the women to go and pledge their allegiance to a leader. Ali (ra) represented Sayyida Fatima (ra). I am also not aware of any narration that show Sayyida Aisha (ra) pledging Allegiance to Abubakr (ra). 

 

Do you have any evidence that Sayyida Fatima accepted Ali as her Imam? Any evidence that She called Abubakr the illegitimate Imam?

 

Salam, 

 

1) The thread is not about Aisha. 

2) Sayyida Fatima(a.s) was physically present when at the mubahilah, her father was the one who gave the announcement of Ghadir, 

She was there when ayat 33:33 was revealed and she was present under the Kisa with Imam Ali(a.s), etc, etc, etc. 

 

And then there's this, 

 

O son of Abu Quhafa! Where is it in the Book of Allah that you inherit your father and I do not inherit mine? Surely you have come up with an unprecedented thing. Do you intentionally abandon the Book of Allah and cast it behind your back? .....(it goes on in the same vain if you care to read) 

 

(Regarding Abu Bakr)

 

And Regarding Imam Ali(a.s)

 

(Ali is) diligent in Allah's affair, near to the Messenger of Allah, A master among Allah's worshippers, setting to work briskly, sincere in his advice, earnest and exerting himself (in service to Islam); While you were calm, gay, and feeling safe in your comfortable lives, waiting for us to meet disasters, awaiting the spread of news, you fell back during every battle, and took to your heels at times of fighting. (she is addressing  Abu Bakr)

Yet, When Allah chose His Prophet from the dwell of His prophets, and the abode of His sincere (servants); The thorns of hypocrisy appeared on you, the garment of faith became worn out, The misguided ignorant(s) spoke out, the sluggish ignorant came to the front and brayed. The he camel of the vain wiggled his tail in your courtyards and the your courtyards and the Devil stuck his head from its place of hiding and called upon you, he found you responsive to his invitation, and observing his deceits.

He then aroused you and found you quick (to answer him), and invited you to wrath, therefore; you branded other than your camels and proceeded to other than your drinking places (addressing  Abu Bakr)

 

Does any of this sound like She(a.s) accepted him as her Imam ? All this was shortly before her death, btw. 

 

 This speech should be memorized by all muslims for its beauty and its clarity regarding this issue. In saying the underlined, she is being absolutely clear that what was taken by Abu Bakr(i.e. the Imamate) does not belong to him, i.e. he is not the Imam. I don't see how it can be more clear than this. 

 

I don't usually make long posts, but I am going to post the full speech in Arabic and English because the link I have is not working for some reason.

 

Abullah son of Imam al-Hassan (ع) quotes his forefathers saying that Abu Bakr and ‘Umar decided to prevent Fatima (ع) from her Fadak property. When she came to know about it, she put her veil on her head, wrapped herself with her outer cloak and, accompanied by some of her relatives and men of her folks, stepping on her gown, her gait not differing from that of the Messenger of Allah (ص), went till she entered [the Mosque of the Prophet] where Abu Bakr was.

يا معشر النقيبة وأعضاد الملة وحضنة الإسلام، ما هذه الغميزة في حقي والسنة عن ظلامتي أما كان رسول الله أبي يقول المرء يحفظ في ولده سرعان ما أحدثتم وعجلان ذا إهالة ولكم طاقة بما أحاول وقوة على ما أطلب و أزاول أتقولون مات محمد ( ص ) فخطب جليل استوسع وهنه واستنهر فتقه وانفتق رتقه وأظلمت الأرض لغيبته وكسفت الشمس والقمر وانتثرت النجوم لمصيبته وأكدت الآمال وخشعت الجبال وأضيع الحريم وأزيلت الحرمة عند مماته، فتلك والله النازلة الكبرى والمصيبة العظمى لا مثلها نازلة ولا بائقة عاجلة أعلن بها كتاب الله جل ثناؤه في أفنيتكم وفي ممساكم ومصبحكم يهتف في أفنيتكم هتافا وصراخا وتلاوة وألحانا ولقبله ما حل بأنبياء الله ورسله حكم فصل وقضاء حتم "وَ ما مُحَمَّدٌ إِلَّا رَسُولٌ قَدْ خَلَتْ مِنْ قَبْلِهِ الرُّسُلُ أَ فَإِنْ ماتَ أَوْ قُتِلَ انْقَلَبْتُمْ عَلى أَعْقابِكُمْ وَ مَنْ يَنْقَلِبْ عَلى عَقِبَيْهِ فَلَنْ يَضُرَّ اللَّهَ شَيْئاً وَ سَيَجْزِي اللَّهُ الشَّاكِرِينَ . “إيها بني قيله أأهضم تراث أبي وأنتم بمرأى مني ومسمع ومنتدى ومجمع تلبسكم الدعوة وتشملكم الخبرة وأنتم ذوو العدد والعدة والأداة والقوة وعندكم السلاح والجنة توافيكم الدعوة فلا تجيبون وتأتيكم الصرخة فلا تغيثون؟ أنتم موصوفون بالكفاح معروفون بالخير والصلاح والنخبة التي انتخبت والخيرة التي اختيرت لنا أهل البيت قاتلتم العرب وتحملتم الكد والتعب وناطحتم الأمم كافحتم البهم لا نبرح أو تبرحون نأمركم فتأتمرون حتى إذا دارت بنا رحى الإسلام ودر حلب الأيام وخضعت ثغرة الشرك وسكنت فورة الإفك وخمدت نيران الكفر وهدأت دعوة الهرج واستوسق نظام الدين فأنى حزتم بعد البيان وأسررتم بعد الإعلان ونكصتم بعد الإقدام وأشركتم بعد الإيمان؛بؤسا لقوم نكثوا أيمانهم من بعد عهدهم وهموا بإخراج الرسول وهم بدءوكم أول مرة أ تخشونهم فالله أحق أن تخشوه إن كنتم مؤمنين ألا وقد أرى أن قد أخلدتم إلى الخفض وأبعدتم من هو أحق بالبسط والقبض وخلوتم بالدعة ونجوتم بالضيق من السعة فمججتم ما وعيتم ودسعتم الذي تسوغتم فإن تكفروا أنتم ومن في الأرض جميعا فإن الله لغني حميد ألا وقد قلت ما قلت هذا على معرفة مني بالجذلة التي خامرتكم والغدرة التي استشعرتها قلوبكم ولكنها فيضة النفس ونفثة الغيظ وخور القناة وبثة الصدر وتقدمة الحجة فدونكموها فاحتقبوها دبرة الظهر نقبة الخف باقية العار موسومة بغضب الجبار وشنار الأبد موصولة بنار الله الموقدة التي تطلع على الأفئدة ، فبعين الله ما تفعلون وسيعلم الذين ظلموا أي منقلب ينقلبون وأنا ابنة نذير لكم بين يدي عذاب شديد فاعملوا إنا عاملون و انتظروا إنا منتظرون.

ثم رمت بطرفها نحو الأنصار فقالت:

ثم قالت: أيها الناس اعلموا أني فاطمة و أبي محمد ص أقول عودا وبدوا ولا أقول ما أقول غلطا ولا أفعل ما أفعل شططا ، لَقَدْ جاءَكُمْ رَسُولٌ مِنْ أَنْفُسِكُمْ عَزِيزٌ عَلَيْهِ ما عَنِتُّمْ حَرِيصٌ عَلَيْكُمْ بِالْمُؤْمِنِينَ رَؤُفٌ رَحِيمٌ ، فإن تعزوه وتعرفوه تجدوه أبي دون نسائكم وأخا ابن عمي دون رجالكم ، ولنعم المعزى إليه ص فبلغ الرسالة صادعا بالنذارة مائلا عن مدرجة المشركين ضاربا ثبجهم آخذا بأكظامهم داعيا إلى سبيل ربه بالحكمة والموعظة الحسنة يجف الأصنام وينكث الهام حتى انهزم الجمع وولوا الدبر حتى تفرى الليل عن صبحه وأسفر الحق عن محضه ونطق زعيم الدين وخرست شقاشق الشياطين وطاح وشيظ النفاق وانحلت عقد الكفر والشقاق وفهتم بكلمة الإخلاص في نفر من البيض الخماص وكنتم على شفا حفرة من النار مذقة الشارب ونهزة الطامع وقبسة العجلان وموطئ الأقدام تشربون الطرق وتقتاتون القد و الورق أذلة خاسئين تخافون أن يتخطفكم الناس من حولكم فأنقذكم الله تبارك وتعالى بمحمد ص بعد اللتيا واللتي وبعد أن مني ببهم الرجال وذؤبان العرب ومردة أهل الكتاب كلما أوقدوانارا للحرب أطفأها الله أو نجم قرن الشيطان أو فغرت فاغرة من المشركين قذف أخاه في لهواتها فلا ينكفئ حتى يطأ جناحها بأخمصه ويخمد لهبها بسيفه مكدودا في ذات الله مجتهدا في أمر الله قريبا من رسول الله سيدا في أولياء الله مشمرا ناصحا مجدا كادحا لا تأخذه في الله لومة لائم وأنتم في رفاهية من العيش وادعون فاكهون آمنون تتربصون بنا الدوائر وتتوكفون الأخبار وتنكصون عند النزال وتفرون من القتال. فلما اختار الله لنبيه دار أنبيائه ومأوى أصفيائه ظهر فيكم حسكة النفاق وسمل جلباب الدين ونطق كاظم الغاوين ونبغ خامل الأقلين وهدر فنيق المبطلين فخطر في عرصاتكم وأطلع الشيطان رأسه من مغرزه هاتفا بكم فألفاكم لدعوته مستجيبين وللعزة فيه ملاحظين ثم استنهضكم فوجدكم خفافا وأحمشكم فألفاكم غضابا فوسمتم غير إبلكم ووردتم غير مشربكم هذا والعهد قريب والكلم رحيب والجرح لما يندمل والرسول لما يقبر ابتدارا زعمتم خوف الفتنة ألا في الفتنة سقطوا وإن جهنم لمحيطة بالكافرين فهيهات منكم وكيف بكم وأنى تؤفكون وكتاب الله بين أظهركم أموره ظاهرة وأحكامه زاهرة وأعلامه باهرة وزواجره لائحة وأوامره واضحة وقد خلفتموه وراء ظهوركم أرغبة عنه تريدون أم بغيره تحكمون بئس للظالمين بدلا ومن يتبع غير الإسلام دينا فلن يقبل منه وهو في الآخرة من الخاسرين ثم لم تلبثوا إلا ريث أن تسكن نفرتها ويسلس قيادها ثم أخذتم تورون وقدتها وتهيجون جمرتها وتستجيبون لهتاف الشيطان الغوي وإطفاء أنوار الدين الجلي وإهمال سنن النبي الصفي تشربون حسوا في ارتغاء وتمشون لأهله وولده في الخمرة والضراء ويصير منكم على مثل حز المدى ووخز السنان في الحشا وأنتم الآن تزعمون أن لا إرث لنا ، أ فحكم الجاهلية تبغون ومن أحسن من الله حكما لقوم يوقنون أفلا تعلمون ، بلى قد تجلى لكم كالشمس الضاحية أني ابنته أيها المسلمون أأغلب على إرثي يا ابن أبي قحافة أفي كتاب الله ترث أباك ولا أرث أبي لقد جئت شيئا فريا أفعلى عمد تركتم كتاب الله ونبذتموه وراء ظهوركم إذ يقول” :وَوَرِثَ سُلَيْمانُ داوُد"َ وقال فيما اقتص من خبر يحيى بن زكريا إذ قال : "فَهَبْ لِي مِنْ لَدُنْكَ وَلِيًّا يَرِثُنِي وَ يَرِثُ مِنْ آلِ يَعْقُوبَ" وقال” : وَ أُولُوا الْأَرْحامِ بَعْضُهُمْ أَوْلى بِبَعْضٍ فِي كِتابِ اللَّهِ" وقال”:يُوصِيكُمُ اللَّهُ فِي أَوْلادِكُمْ لِلذَّكَرِ مِثْلُ حَظِّ الْأُنْثَيَيْنِ “وقال” : إِنْ تَرَكَ خَيْراً الْوَصِيَّةُ لِلْوالِدَيْنِ وَ الْأَقْرَبِينَ بِالْمَعْرُوفِ حَقًّا عَلَى الْمُتَّقِينَ"، وزعمتم أن لا حظوة لي ولا إرث من أبي ولا رحم بيننا أ فخصكم الله بآية أخرج أبي منها أم هل تقولون إن أهل ملتين لا يتوارثان أو لست أنا وأبي من أهل ملة واحدة أم أنتم أعلم بخصوص القرآن وعمومه من أبي وابن عمي فدونكها مخطومة مرحولة تلقاك يوم حشرك فنعم الحكم الله والزعيم محمد والموعد القيامة وعند الساعة يخسر المبطلون ولا ينفعكم إذ تندمون ولكل نبأ مستقر وسوف تعلمون من يأتيه عذاب يخزيه ويحل عليه عذاب مقيم.

ثم التفتت إلى أهل المجلس وقالت : أنتم عباد الله نصب أمره ونهيه وحملة دينه ووحيه وأمناء الله على أنفسكم وبلغاءه إلى الأمم زعيم حق له فيكم وعهد قدمه إليكم وبقية استخلفها عليكم كتاب الله الناطق والقرآن الصادق والنور الساطع والضياء اللامع بينة بصائره منكشفة سرائره منجلية ظواهره مغتبطة به أشياعه قائدا إلى الرضوان اتباعه مؤد إلى النجاة استماعه به تنال حجج الله المنورة وعزائمه المفسرة ومحارمه المحذرة وبيناته الجالية وبراهينه الكافية وفضائله المندوبة ورخصه الموهوبة وشرائعه المكتوبة فجعل الله الإيمان تطهيرا لكم من الشرك والصلاة تنزيها لكم عن الكبر والزكاة تزكية للنفس ونماء في الرزق والصيام تثبيتا للإخلاص والحج تشييدا للدين والعدل تنسيقا للقلوب وطاعتنا نظاما للملة وإمامتنا أمانا للفرقة والجهاد عزا للإسلام والصبر معونة على استيجاب الأجر والأمر بالمعروف مصلحة للعامة وبر الوالدين وقاية من السخط وصلة الأرحام منسأة في العمر ومنماة للعدد والقصاص حقنا للدماء والوفاء بالنذر تعريضا للمغفرة وتوفية المكاييل والموازين تغييرا للبخس والنهي عن شرب الخمر تنزيها عن الرجس واجتناب القذف حجابا عن اللعنة وترك السرقة إيجابا للعفة وحرم الله الشرك إخلاصا له بالربوبية فاتقوا الله حق تقاته ولا تموتن إلا وأنتم مسلمون وأطيعوا الله فيما أمركم به ونهاكم عنه فإنه إنما يخشى الله من عباده العلماء.

الحمد لله على ما أنعم وله الشكر على ما ألهم والثناء بما قدم من عموم نعم ابتداها وسبوغ آلاء أسداها وتمام منن أولاها جم عن الإحصاء عددها ونأى عن الجزاء أمدها وتفاوت عن الإدراك أبدها وندبهم لاستزادتها بالشكر لاتصالها واستحمد إلى الخلائق بإجزالها وثنى بالندب إلى أمثالها وأشهد أن لا إله إلا الله وحده لا شريك له كلمة جعل الإخلاص تأويلها وضمن القلوب موصولها وأنار في التفكر معقولها الممتنع من الأبصار رؤيته ومن الألسن صفته ومن الأوهام كيفيته ابتدع الأشياء لا من شي‏ء كان قبلها وأنشأها بلا احتذاء أمثلة امتثلها كونها بقدرته وذرأها بمشيته من غير حاجة منه إلى تكوينها ولا فائدة له في تصويرها إلا تثبيتا لحكمته وتنبيها على طاعته وإظهارا لقدرته تعبدا لبريته وإعزازا لدعوته ثم جعل الثواب على طاعته ووضع العقاب على معصيته ذيادة لعباده من نقمته وحياشة لهم إلى جنته وأشهد أن أبي محمدا عبده ورسوله اختاره قبل أن أرسله وسماه قبل أن اجتباه واصطفاه قبل أن ابتعثه إذ الخلائق بالغيب مكنونة وبستر الأهاويل مصونة وبنهاية العدم مقرونة علما من الله تعالى بمآيل الأمور وإحاطة بحوادث الدهور ومعرفة بمواقع الأمور ابتعثه الله إتماما لأمره وعزيمة على إمضاء حكمه وإنفاذا لمقادير رحمته فرأى الأمم فرقا في أديانها عكفا على نيرانها عابدة لأوثانها منكرة لله مع عرفانها فأنار الله بأبي محمد ص ظلمها وكشف عن القلوب بهمها وجلى عن الأبصار غممها وقام في الناس بالهداية فأنقذهم من الغواية وبصرهم من العماية وهداهم إلى الدين القويم ودعاهم إلى الطريق المستقيم ثم قبضه الله إليه قبض رأفة واختيار ورغبة وإيثار فمحمد ( ص ) من تعب هذه الدار في راحة قد حف بالملائكة الأبرار ورضوان الرب الغفار ومجاورة الملك الجبار صلى الله على أبي نبيه وأمينه وخيرته من الخلق وصفيه والسلام عليه ورحمة الله وبركاته.

روى عبد الله بن الحسن باسناده عن آبائه ، أنه لما أجمع أبوبكر وعمر على منع فاطمة عليها السلام فدكا و بلغها ذلك لاثت خمارها على رأسها و اشتملت بجلبابها وأقبلت في لمةٍ من حفدتها ونساء قومها تطأ ذيولها، ما تخرم مشيتها مشية رسول الله ( ص )، حتى دخلت على أبي بكر وهو في حشد من المهاجرين والأنصار وغيرهم فنيطت دونها ملاءة فجلست ثم أنَت أنَةً أجهش القوم لها بالبكاء فأرتج المجلس ثم أمهلت هنيئة حتى إذا سكن نشيج القوم وهدأت فورتهم افتتحت الكلام بحمد الله و الثناء عليه والصلاة على رسوله فعاد القوم في بكائهم فلما أمسكوا عادت في كلامها فقالت عليها السلام:

خطبة فاطمة الزهراء بنت النبي محمد في مسجد أبيها (ص) عند مطالبتها بفدك وميراثها من أبيها:

Abu Bakr was in the company of a crowd of the Muhajirun and Ansar and others. A curtain was placed behind which she sat and moaned. Hearing her thus moaning, everyone present burst in tears, so much so that the meeting place shook. She waited for a moment till the sobbing stopped and the fervor abated. She started her speech by praising Allah and lauding Him, sending blessings to His Messenger, whereupon people resumed their cries. When they stopped, she resumed her speech saying,

“Praise to Allah for that which He bestowed (us). We thank and laud Him for all that which He inspired and offered, for the abundant boons which He initiated, the perfect grants which He presented. Such boons are too many to compute, too vast to measure. Their limit is too distant to grasp. He commended them (to His beings) so they would gain more by being grateful for their continuity.

He ordained Himself praiseworthy by giving generously to His creatures. I testify that there is no God but Allah, the One without a partner, a statement which sincere devotion is its interpretation, the hearts guarantee its continuation, and in the minds and hearts is its perpetuation. He is the One Who cannot be perceived with vision, nor can He be described by tongues, nor can imagination comprehend how He is.

He originated things but not from anything that existed before them, created them without pre-existing examples. Rather, He created them with His might and spread them according to His will. He did so not for a need for which He created them, nor for a benefit (for Him) did He shape them, but to establish His wisdom, bring attention to His obedience, manifest His might, lead His creatures to humbly venerate Him and exalt His decrees. He then made the reward for obedience to Him and punishment for disobedience so as to protect His creatures from His Wrath and amass them into His Paradise.

“I also testify that my Father, Muhammad, is His servant and messenger whom He chose and prior to sending him when the [souls of all] beings were still concealed in that which was transcendental, protected from anything appalling, associated with termination and nonexistence. Allah the Exalted One knew that which was to follow, comprehended that which would come to pass and realized the place of every event.

Allah sent him (Muhammad) to perfect His commands, a resolution to accomplish His decree, and an implementation of the dictates of His Mercy. So he (Muhammad) found nations differing in their creeds, obsessed by their fires [Zoroastrians], worshipping their idols [Pagans], and denying Allah [atheists] despite their knowledge of Him.

Therefore, Allah illuminated their darkness with my Father, Muhammad, uncovered obscurity from their hearts, and cleared the clouds from their insights. He revealed guidance to the people. He delivered them from being led astray, taking them away from misguidance, showing them the right religion and inviting them to the Straight Path (as-Sirat al-Mustaqeem).

“Allah then chose to recall him mercifully, with love and preference. So, Muhammad is now in comfort, released from the burden of this world, surrounded angels of devotion, satisfied with the Merciful Lord and with being near the powerful King. So, peace of Allah with my Father, His Prophet, the trusted one, the one whom He chose from among His servants, His sincere friend, and peace and blessings of Allah with him.”

Fatima ‎(‎ع‎)‎ then turned to the crowd and said:

“Surely you (people) are Allah's servants at His command and prohibition, bearers of His creed and revelation. You are the ones whom Allah entrusted to fare with your own selves, His messengers to the nations. Amongst you does He have the right authority, a covenant which He brought forth to you and an legacy which He left to guard you: The eloquent Book of Allah, the Qur’an of the truth, the brilliant light, the shining beam. Its insights are indisputable, its secrets are revealed, its indications are manifest and those who follow it are surely blessed.

(The Qur’an) leads its adherents to righteousness. Listening (and acting upon) it leads to salvation. Through it are the enlightening divine arguments achieved, His manifest determination acquired, His prohibited decrees avoided, His manifest evidence recognized, His convincing proofs made apparent, His permissions granted and His laws written.

So Allah made belief (in Islam) a purification for you from polytheism. He made prayers an exaltation for you from conceit, Zakat purification for the soul and a (cause of) growth in subsistence, fasting an implantation of devotion, pilgrimage a construction of the creed and justice (Adl) the harmony of the hearts. And He made obedience to us (Ahl al-Bayt) the management of the affairs of the nation and our leadership (Ahl al-Bayt) a safeguard from disunity.

He made jihad (struggle) a way for strengthening Islam and patience a helping course for deserving (divine) rewards. He made commending what is right (Amr Bil Ma’ruf) a cause for public welfare, kindness to parents a safeguard from (His) wrath, the maintaining of close ties with one's kin a cause for a longer life and for multiplying the number of offspring, in-kind reprisal (qisas قصاص) to save lives, fulfillment of vows the earning of mercy, the completion of weights and measures a cause for avoiding neglecting the rights of others, forbidding drinking wines an exaltation from atrocity, avoiding slander a veil from curse, abandoning theft a reason for deserving chastity.

Allah has also prohibited polytheism so that one can devote himself to His Mastership. Therefore; Fear Allah as He should be feared, and die not except in a state of Islam; Obey Allah in that which He has commanded you to do and that which He has forbidden, for surely those truly fear among His servants, who have knowledge.'

“O People! Be informed that I am Fatima, and my father is Muhammad I say that repeatedly and initiate it continually; I say not what I say mistakenly, nor do I do what I do aimlessly. Now has come unto you an Apostle from amongst yourselves; It grieves him that you should perish; ardently anxious is he over you; To the believers he is most kind and merciful. Thus, if you identify and recognize him, you shall realize that he is my father and not the father of any of your women; the brother of my cousin (Ali ‎(‎ع‎)‎) rather than any of your men.

What an excellent identity he was, may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him and his descendants Thus, he propagated the Message, by coming out openly with the warning, and while inclined away from the path of the polytheists, (whom he) struck their strength and seized their throats, while he invited (all) to the way of his Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching He destroyed idols, and defeated heroes, until their group fled and turned their backs. So night revealed its dawn; righteousness uncovered its genuineness; the voice of the religious authority spoke out loud; the evil discords were silenced.

The crown of hypocrisy was diminished; the tightening of infidelity and desertion were untied, So you spoke the statement of devotion amongst a band of starved ones; and you were on the edge of a hole of fire;(you were) the drink of the thirsty one; the opportunity of the desiring one; the fire brand of him who passes in haste; the step for feet; you used to drink from the water gathered on roads; eat jerked meat. (Lady Fatima (ع) was stating their lowly situation before Islam) You were despised outcasts always in fear of abduction from those around you.

Yet, Allah rescued you through my father, Muhammad after much ado, and after he was confronted by mighty men, the Arab beasts, and the demons of the people of the Book Who, whenever they ignited the fire of war, Allah extinguished it; and whenever the thorn of the devil appeared, or a mouth of the polytheists opened wide in defiance, he would strike its discords with his brother (Ali, (ع)), who comes not back until he treads its wing with the sole of his feet, and extinguishes its flames with his sword.

(Ali is) diligent in Allah's affair, near to the Messenger of Allah, A master among Allah's worshippers, setting to work briskly, sincere in his advice, earnest and exerting himself (in service to Islam); While you were calm, gay, and feeling safe in your comfortable lives, waiting for us to meet disasters, awaiting the spread of news, you fell back during every battle, and took to your heels at times of fighting.

Yet, When Allah chose His Prophet from the dwell of His prophets, and the abode of His sincere (servants); The thorns of hypocrisy appeared on you, the garment of faith became worn out, The misguided ignorant(s) spoke out, the sluggish ignorant came to the front and brayed. The he camel of the vain wiggled his tail in your courtyards and the your courtyards and the Devil stuck his head from its place of hiding and called upon you, he found you responsive to his invitation, and observing his deceits.

He then aroused you and found you quick (to answer him), and invited you to wrath, therefore; you branded other than your camels and proceeded to other than your drinking places. Then while the era of the Prophet was still near, the gash was still wide, the scar had not yet healed, and the Messenger was not yet buried. A (quick) undertaking as you claimed, aimed at preventing discord (trial), Surely, they have fallen into trial already! And indeed Hell surrounds the unbelievers.

How preposterous! What an idea! What a falsehood! For Allah's Book is still amongst you, its affairs are apparent; its rules are manifest; its signs are dazzling; its restrictions are visible, and its commands are evident. Yet, indeed you have cast it behind your backs! What! Do you detest it? Or according to something else you wish to rule?

Evil would be the exchange for the wrongdoers! And if anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), it never will it be accepted from him; And in the hereafter, he will be in the ranks of those who have lost. Surely you have not waited until its stampede seized, and it became obedient. You then started arousing its flames, instigating its coal, complying with the call of the misled devil, quenching the light of the manifest religion, and extinguished the light of the sincere Prophet.

You concealed sips on froth and proceeded towards his (the Prophet) kin and children in swamps and forests (meaning you plot against them in deceitful ways), but we are patient with you as if we are being notched with knives and stung by spearheads in our abdomens, Yet-now you claim that there is not inheritance for us! What! "Do they then seek after a judgment of (the Days of) ignorance? But How, for a people whose faith is assured, can give better judgment than Allah? Don't you know? Yes, indeed it is obvious to you that I am his daughter. O Muslims! Will my inheritance be usurped?

O son of Abu Quhafa! Where is it in the Book of Allah that you inherit your father and I do not inherit mine? Surely you have come up with an unprecedented thing. Do you intentionally abandon the Book of Allah and cast it behind your back? Do you not read where it says: And Solomon (Sulayman) inherited David (Dawood)'? And when it narrates the story of Zacharias and says: `So give me an heir as from thyself (One that) will inherit me, and inherit the posterity of Jacob (Yaqoob)'

And: `But kindred by hood have prior rights against each other in the Book of Allah' And: Allah (thus) directs you as regards your children's (inheritance) to the male, a portion equal to that of two females' And, If he leaves any goods, that he make a bequest to parents and next of kin, according to reasonable usage; this is due from the pious ones.'

You claim that I have no share! And that I do not inherit my father! What! Did Allah reveal a (Qur’anic) verse regarding you, from which He excluded my father? Or do you say: `These (Fatima and her father) are the people of two faiths, they do not inherit each other?!' Are we not, me and my father, a people adhering to one faith? Or is it that you have more knowledge about the specifications and generalizations of the Qur’an than my father and my cousin (Imam Ali)?

So, here you are! Take it! (Ready with) its nose rope and saddled! But if shall encounter you on the Day of Gathering; (thus) what a wonderful judge is Allah, a claimant is Muhammad, and a day is the Day of Rising. At the time of the Hour shall the wrongdoers lose; and it shall not benefit you to regret (your actions) then! For every Message, there is a time limit; and soon shall ye know who will be inflicted with torture that will humiliate him, and who will be confronted by an everlasting punishment. (Fatima then turned towards the Ansar and said:) O you people of intellect! The strong supporters of the nation! And those who embraced Islam; What is this shortcoming in defending my right? And what is this slumber (while you see) injustice (being done toward me)? Did not the Messenger of Allah, my father, used to say: A man is upheld (remembered) by his children'? O how quick have you violated (his orders)?!

How soon have you plotted against us? But you still are capable (of helping me in) my attempt, and powerful (to help me) in that which I request and (in) my pursuit (of it). Or do you say: "Muhammad has perished;" Surely this is a great calamity; Its damage is excessive its injury is great, Its wound (is much too deep) to heal.

The Earth became darkened with his departure; the stars eclipsed for his calamity; hopes were seized; mountains submitted; sanctity was violated, and holiness was encroached upon after his death. Therefore, this, by Allah, is the great affliction, and the grand calamity; there is not an affliction-which is the like of it; nor will there be a sudden misfortune (as surprising as this).

The Book of Allah-excellent in praising him-announced in the courtyards (of your houses) in the place where you spend your evenings and mornings; A call, A cry, A recitation, and (verses) in order. It had previously came upon His (Allah's) Prophets and Messengers; (for it is) A decree final, and a predestination fulfilled: "Muhammad is not but an Apostle: Many were the apostles that passed away before him. If he died or was slain, will ye then turn back on your heels? If any did turn back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah; but Allah (on the other hand) will swiftly reward those who (serve Him) with gratitude."

O you people of reflection; will I be usurped the inheritance of my father while you hear and see me?! (And while) You are sitting and gathered around me? You hear my call, and are included in the (news of the) affair? (But) You are numerous and well equipped! (You have) the means and the power, and the weapons and the shields.

Yet, the call reaches you but you do not answer; the cry comes to you but you do not come to help? (This) While you are characterized by struggle, known for goodness and welfare, the selected group (which was chosen), and the best ones chosen by the Messenger for us, Ahlul- Bayt. You fought the Arabs, bore with pain and exhaustion, struggled against the nations, and resisted their heroes. We were still, so were you in ordering you, and you in obeying us.

So that Islam became triumphant, the accomplishment of the days came near, the fort of polytheism was subjected, the outburst of was subjected, the outburst of infidelity calmed down, and the system of religion was well-ordered. Thus, (why have you) become confused after clearness? Conceal matters after announcing them? Do you thus turn on your heels after daring, associating (others with Allah) after believing? Will you not fight people who violated their oaths? Plotted to expel the Apostle and became aggressive by being the first (to assault) you? Do ye fear them? Nay, it is Allah Whom you should more justly fear, if you believe!

Now I see that you are inclined to easy living; having dismissed one who is more worthy of guardianship [referring to Ali (ع)]. You secluded yourselves with meekness and dismissed that which you accepted. Yet, if you show ingratitude, ye and all on earth together, yet, Allah free of all wants, worthy of all praise.

Surely I have said all that I have said with full knowledge that you intent to forsake me, and knowing the betrayal that your hearts sensed. But it is the state of soul, the effusion of fury, the dissemination of (what is) the chest and the presentation of the proof.

Hence, Here it is! Bag it (leadership and) put it on the back of an ill she camel, which has a thin hump with everlasting grace, marked with the wrath of Allah, and the blame of ever (which leads to) the Fire of (the wrath of Allah kindled (to a blaze), that which doth mount (right) to the hearts; For, Allah witnesses what you do, and soon will the unjust assailants know what vicissitudes their affairs will take! And I am the daughter of a warner (the Prophet) to you against a severe punishment. So, act and so will we, and wait, and we shall wait.'”

Edited by Abu Hadi

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And We gave him Ishaq and Ya'qub as a further gift; and We made (them) all righteous ones; and We made them Imams, to guide (people) by Our command... (21:72 - 73);

 

and He says in another place: And We made of them Imams to guide by Our command as they were patient, and they were certain of Our signs (32:24).

 

No where does Allah ever mention that the imam is to be chosen by people. It is only something He can command. Also conversely, whoever is not ma'sum, can never be an Imam, a guide to the truth.

 

2:124 And (remember) when his Lord tried Ibrahim with certain words, then he fulfilled them. He said: "Surely I am going to make you an Imam for men" (Ibrahim) said: "And of my offspring?" He said: "My covenant will not include the unjust"

 

 

Now, it is clear that the adjective, "the unjust", (in the Divine declaration, "My covenant will not include the unjust") covers everyone who might have done any injustice, for example, polytheism, idol-worship or any other sin, in any period of his life, even if he may have repented and been good afterwards.

 

Logically, we may divide mankind into four groups: (1) One who remains unjust throughout his life; (2) One who was never unjust in any period of his life; (3) One who was unjust in the beginning, but became just later on; and (4) One who was just in the beginning, but became unjust afterwards, Ibrahim was too sublime in position to ask for the imamah for the first or the fourth group. This leaves two groups (the second and the third), which could be included in his prayer. And Allah rejected one of them - the one who was unjust in the beginning but became just later on. Now, there remains only one group who could be given the imamah - the one who was never unjust in any period of his life; that is, who was ma'sum.*

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Salam, 

 

1) The thread is not about Aisha. 

2) Sayyida Fatima(a.s) was physically present when at the mubahilah, her father was the one who gave the announcement of Ghadir, 

She was there when ayat 33:33 was revealed and she was present under the Kisa with Imam Ali(a.s), etc, etc, etc. 

 

 

(salam) br.

1) I know.  

2) I don't think it has anything to do with the current topic. 

 

 

 

And then there's this, 

 

O son of Abu Quhafa! Where is it in the Book of Allah that you inherit your father and I do not inherit mine? Surely you have come up with an unprecedented thing. Do you intentionally abandon the Book of Allah and cast it behind your back? .....(it goes on in the same vain if you care to read) 

 

(Regarding Abu Bakr)

 

And Regarding Imam Ali(a.s)

 

(Ali is) diligent in Allah's affair, near to the Messenger of Allah, A master among Allah's worshippers, setting to work briskly, sincere in his advice, earnest and exerting himself (in service to Islam); While you were calm, gay, and feeling safe in your comfortable lives, waiting for us to meet disasters, awaiting the spread of news, you fell back during every battle, and took to your heels at times of fighting. (she is addressing  Abu Bakr)

Yet, When Allah chose His Prophet from the dwell of His prophets, and the abode of His sincere (servants); The thorns of hypocrisy appeared on you, the garment of faith became worn out, The misguided ignorant(s) spoke out, the sluggish ignorant came to the front and brayed. The he camel of the vain wiggled his tail in your courtyards and the your courtyards and the Devil stuck his head from its place of hiding and called upon you, he found you responsive to his invitation, and observing his deceits.

He then aroused you and found you quick (to answer him), and invited you to wrath, therefore; you branded other than your camels and proceeded to other than your drinking places (addressing  Abu Bakr)

 

Does any of this sound like She(a.s) accepted him as her Imam ? All this was shortly before her death, btw. 

 

 This speech should be memorized by all muslims for its beauty and its clarity regarding this issue. In saying the underlined, she is being absolutely clear that what was taken by Abu Bakr(i.e. the Imamate) does not belong to him, i.e. he is not the Imam. I don't see how it can be more clear than this. 

 

I don't usually make long posts, but I am going to post the full speech in Arabic and English because the link I have is not working for some reason.

 

Abullah son of Imam al-Hassan (ع) quotes his forefathers saying that Abu Bakr and ‘Umar decided to prevent Fatima (ع) from her Fadak property. When she came to know about it, she put her veil on her head, wrapped herself with her outer cloak and, accompanied by some of her relatives and men of her folks, stepping on her gown, her gait not differing from that of the Messenger of Allah (ص), went till she entered [the Mosque of the Prophet] where Abu Bakr was.

يا معشر النقيبة وأعضاد الملة وحضنة الإسلام، ما هذه الغميزة في حقي والسنة عن ظلامتي أما كان رسول الله أبي يقول المرء يحفظ في ولده سرعان ما أحدثتم وعجلان ذا إهالة ولكم طاقة بما أحاول وقوة على ما أطلب و أزاول أتقولون مات محمد ( ص ) فخطب جليل استوسع وهنه واستنهر فتقه وانفتق رتقه وأظلمت الأرض لغيبته وكسفت الشمس والقمر وانتثرت النجوم لمصيبته وأكدت الآمال وخشعت الجبال وأضيع الحريم وأزيلت الحرمة عند مماته، فتلك والله النازلة الكبرى والمصيبة العظمى لا مثلها نازلة ولا بائقة عاجلة أعلن بها كتاب الله جل ثناؤه في أفنيتكم وفي ممساكم ومصبحكم يهتف في أفنيتكم هتافا وصراخا وتلاوة وألحانا ولقبله ما حل بأنبياء الله ورسله حكم فصل وقضاء حتم "وَ ما مُحَمَّدٌ إِلَّا رَسُولٌ قَدْ خَلَتْ مِنْ قَبْلِهِ الرُّسُلُ أَ فَإِنْ ماتَ أَوْ قُتِلَ انْقَلَبْتُمْ عَلى أَعْقابِكُمْ وَ مَنْ يَنْقَلِبْ عَلى عَقِبَيْهِ فَلَنْ يَضُرَّ اللَّهَ شَيْئاً وَ سَيَجْزِي اللَّهُ الشَّاكِرِينَ . “إيها بني قيله أأهضم تراث أبي وأنتم بمرأى مني ومسمع ومنتدى ومجمع تلبسكم الدعوة وتشملكم الخبرة وأنتم ذوو العدد والعدة والأداة والقوة وعندكم السلاح والجنة توافيكم الدعوة فلا تجيبون وتأتيكم الصرخة فلا تغيثون؟ أنتم موصوفون بالكفاح معروفون بالخير والصلاح والنخبة التي انتخبت والخيرة التي اختيرت لنا أهل البيت قاتلتم العرب وتحملتم الكد والتعب وناطحتم الأمم كافحتم البهم لا نبرح أو تبرحون نأمركم فتأتمرون حتى إذا دارت بنا رحى الإسلام ودر حلب الأيام وخضعت ثغرة الشرك وسكنت فورة الإفك وخمدت نيران الكفر وهدأت دعوة الهرج واستوسق نظام الدين فأنى حزتم بعد البيان وأسررتم بعد الإعلان ونكصتم بعد الإقدام وأشركتم بعد الإيمان؛بؤسا لقوم نكثوا أيمانهم من بعد عهدهم وهموا بإخراج الرسول وهم بدءوكم أول مرة أ تخشونهم فالله أحق أن تخشوه إن كنتم مؤمنين ألا وقد أرى أن قد أخلدتم إلى الخفض وأبعدتم من هو أحق بالبسط والقبض وخلوتم بالدعة ونجوتم بالضيق من السعة فمججتم ما وعيتم ودسعتم الذي تسوغتم فإن تكفروا أنتم ومن في الأرض جميعا فإن الله لغني حميد ألا وقد قلت ما قلت هذا على معرفة مني بالجذلة التي خامرتكم والغدرة التي استشعرتها قلوبكم ولكنها فيضة النفس ونفثة الغيظ وخور القناة وبثة الصدر وتقدمة الحجة فدونكموها فاحتقبوها دبرة الظهر نقبة الخف باقية العار موسومة بغضب الجبار وشنار الأبد موصولة بنار الله الموقدة التي تطلع على الأفئدة ، فبعين الله ما تفعلون وسيعلم الذين ظلموا أي منقلب ينقلبون وأنا ابنة نذير لكم بين يدي عذاب شديد فاعملوا إنا عاملون و انتظروا إنا منتظرون.

ثم رمت بطرفها نحو الأنصار فقالت:

ثم قالت: أيها الناس اعلموا أني فاطمة و أبي محمد ص أقول عودا وبدوا ولا أقول ما أقول غلطا ولا أفعل ما أفعل شططا ، لَقَدْ جاءَكُمْ رَسُولٌ مِنْ أَنْفُسِكُمْ عَزِيزٌ عَلَيْهِ ما عَنِتُّمْ حَرِيصٌ عَلَيْكُمْ بِالْمُؤْمِنِينَ رَؤُفٌ رَحِيمٌ ، فإن تعزوه وتعرفوه تجدوه أبي دون نسائكم وأخا ابن عمي دون رجالكم ، ولنعم المعزى إليه ص فبلغ الرسالة صادعا بالنذارة مائلا عن مدرجة المشركين ضاربا ثبجهم آخذا بأكظامهم داعيا إلى سبيل ربه بالحكمة والموعظة الحسنة يجف الأصنام وينكث الهام حتى انهزم الجمع وولوا الدبر حتى تفرى الليل عن صبحه وأسفر الحق عن محضه ونطق زعيم الدين وخرست شقاشق الشياطين وطاح وشيظ النفاق وانحلت عقد الكفر والشقاق وفهتم بكلمة الإخلاص في نفر من البيض الخماص وكنتم على شفا حفرة من النار مذقة الشارب ونهزة الطامع وقبسة العجلان وموطئ الأقدام تشربون الطرق وتقتاتون القد و الورق أذلة خاسئين تخافون أن يتخطفكم الناس من حولكم فأنقذكم الله تبارك وتعالى بمحمد ص بعد اللتيا واللتي وبعد أن مني ببهم الرجال وذؤبان العرب ومردة أهل الكتاب كلما أوقدوانارا للحرب أطفأها الله أو نجم قرن الشيطان أو فغرت فاغرة من المشركين قذف أخاه في لهواتها فلا ينكفئ حتى يطأ جناحها بأخمصه ويخمد لهبها بسيفه مكدودا في ذات الله مجتهدا في أمر الله قريبا من رسول الله سيدا في أولياء الله مشمرا ناصحا مجدا كادحا لا تأخذه في الله لومة لائم وأنتم في رفاهية من العيش وادعون فاكهون آمنون تتربصون بنا الدوائر وتتوكفون الأخبار وتنكصون عند النزال وتفرون من القتال. فلما اختار الله لنبيه دار أنبيائه ومأوى أصفيائه ظهر فيكم حسكة النفاق وسمل جلباب الدين ونطق كاظم الغاوين ونبغ خامل الأقلين وهدر فنيق المبطلين فخطر في عرصاتكم وأطلع الشيطان رأسه من مغرزه هاتفا بكم فألفاكم لدعوته مستجيبين وللعزة فيه ملاحظين ثم استنهضكم فوجدكم خفافا وأحمشكم فألفاكم غضابا فوسمتم غير إبلكم ووردتم غير مشربكم هذا والعهد قريب والكلم رحيب والجرح لما يندمل والرسول لما يقبر ابتدارا زعمتم خوف الفتنة ألا في الفتنة سقطوا وإن جهنم لمحيطة بالكافرين فهيهات منكم وكيف بكم وأنى تؤفكون وكتاب الله بين أظهركم أموره ظاهرة وأحكامه زاهرة وأعلامه باهرة وزواجره لائحة وأوامره واضحة وقد خلفتموه وراء ظهوركم أرغبة عنه تريدون أم بغيره تحكمون بئس للظالمين بدلا ومن يتبع غير الإسلام دينا فلن يقبل منه وهو في الآخرة من الخاسرين ثم لم تلبثوا إلا ريث أن تسكن نفرتها ويسلس قيادها ثم أخذتم تورون وقدتها وتهيجون جمرتها وتستجيبون لهتاف الشيطان الغوي وإطفاء أنوار الدين الجلي وإهمال سنن النبي الصفي تشربون حسوا في ارتغاء وتمشون لأهله وولده في الخمرة والضراء ويصير منكم على مثل حز المدى ووخز السنان في الحشا وأنتم الآن تزعمون أن لا إرث لنا ، أ فحكم الجاهلية تبغون ومن أحسن من الله حكما لقوم يوقنون أفلا تعلمون ، بلى قد تجلى لكم كالشمس الضاحية أني ابنته أيها المسلمون أأغلب على إرثي يا ابن أبي قحافة أفي كتاب الله ترث أباك ولا أرث أبي لقد جئت شيئا فريا أفعلى عمد تركتم كتاب الله ونبذتموه وراء ظهوركم إذ يقول” :وَوَرِثَ سُلَيْمانُ داوُد"َ وقال فيما اقتص من خبر يحيى بن زكريا إذ قال : "فَهَبْ لِي مِنْ لَدُنْكَ وَلِيًّا يَرِثُنِي وَ يَرِثُ مِنْ آلِ يَعْقُوبَ" وقال” : وَ أُولُوا الْأَرْحامِ بَعْضُهُمْ أَوْلى بِبَعْضٍ فِي كِتابِ اللَّهِ" وقال”:يُوصِيكُمُ اللَّهُ فِي أَوْلادِكُمْ لِلذَّكَرِ مِثْلُ حَظِّ الْأُنْثَيَيْنِ “وقال” : إِنْ تَرَكَ خَيْراً الْوَصِيَّةُ لِلْوالِدَيْنِ وَ الْأَقْرَبِينَ بِالْمَعْرُوفِ حَقًّا عَلَى الْمُتَّقِينَ"، وزعمتم أن لا حظوة لي ولا إرث من أبي ولا رحم بيننا أ فخصكم الله بآية أخرج أبي منها أم هل تقولون إن أهل ملتين لا يتوارثان أو لست أنا وأبي من أهل ملة واحدة أم أنتم أعلم بخصوص القرآن وعمومه من أبي وابن عمي فدونكها مخطومة مرحولة تلقاك يوم حشرك فنعم الحكم الله والزعيم محمد والموعد القيامة وعند الساعة يخسر المبطلون ولا ينفعكم إذ تندمون ولكل نبأ مستقر وسوف تعلمون من يأتيه عذاب يخزيه ويحل عليه عذاب مقيم.

ثم التفتت إلى أهل المجلس وقالت : أنتم عباد الله نصب أمره ونهيه وحملة دينه ووحيه وأمناء الله على أنفسكم وبلغاءه إلى الأمم زعيم حق له فيكم وعهد قدمه إليكم وبقية استخلفها عليكم كتاب الله الناطق والقرآن الصادق والنور الساطع والضياء اللامع بينة بصائره منكشفة سرائره منجلية ظواهره مغتبطة به أشياعه قائدا إلى الرضوان اتباعه مؤد إلى النجاة استماعه به تنال حجج الله المنورة وعزائمه المفسرة ومحارمه المحذرة وبيناته الجالية وبراهينه الكافية وفضائله المندوبة ورخصه الموهوبة وشرائعه المكتوبة فجعل الله الإيمان تطهيرا لكم من الشرك والصلاة تنزيها لكم عن الكبر والزكاة تزكية للنفس ونماء في الرزق والصيام تثبيتا للإخلاص والحج تشييدا للدين والعدل تنسيقا للقلوب وطاعتنا نظاما للملة وإمامتنا أمانا للفرقة والجهاد عزا للإسلام والصبر معونة على استيجاب الأجر والأمر بالمعروف مصلحة للعامة وبر الوالدين وقاية من السخط وصلة الأرحام منسأة في العمر ومنماة للعدد والقصاص حقنا للدماء والوفاء بالنذر تعريضا للمغفرة وتوفية المكاييل والموازين تغييرا للبخس والنهي عن شرب الخمر تنزيها عن الرجس واجتناب القذف حجابا عن اللعنة وترك السرقة إيجابا للعفة وحرم الله الشرك إخلاصا له بالربوبية فاتقوا الله حق تقاته ولا تموتن إلا وأنتم مسلمون وأطيعوا الله فيما أمركم به ونهاكم عنه فإنه إنما يخشى الله من عباده العلماء.

الحمد لله على ما أنعم وله الشكر على ما ألهم والثناء بما قدم من عموم نعم ابتداها وسبوغ آلاء أسداها وتمام منن أولاها جم عن الإحصاء عددها ونأى عن الجزاء أمدها وتفاوت عن الإدراك أبدها وندبهم لاستزادتها بالشكر لاتصالها واستحمد إلى الخلائق بإجزالها وثنى بالندب إلى أمثالها وأشهد أن لا إله إلا الله وحده لا شريك له كلمة جعل الإخلاص تأويلها وضمن القلوب موصولها وأنار في التفكر معقولها الممتنع من الأبصار رؤيته ومن الألسن صفته ومن الأوهام كيفيته ابتدع الأشياء لا من شي‏ء كان قبلها وأنشأها بلا احتذاء أمثلة امتثلها كونها بقدرته وذرأها بمشيته من غير حاجة منه إلى تكوينها ولا فائدة له في تصويرها إلا تثبيتا لحكمته وتنبيها على طاعته وإظهارا لقدرته تعبدا لبريته وإعزازا لدعوته ثم جعل الثواب على طاعته ووضع العقاب على معصيته ذيادة لعباده من نقمته وحياشة لهم إلى جنته وأشهد أن أبي محمدا عبده ورسوله اختاره قبل أن أرسله وسماه قبل أن اجتباه واصطفاه قبل أن ابتعثه إذ الخلائق بالغيب مكنونة وبستر الأهاويل مصونة وبنهاية العدم مقرونة علما من الله تعالى بمآيل الأمور وإحاطة بحوادث الدهور ومعرفة بمواقع الأمور ابتعثه الله إتماما لأمره وعزيمة على إمضاء حكمه وإنفاذا لمقادير رحمته فرأى الأمم فرقا في أديانها عكفا على نيرانها عابدة لأوثانها منكرة لله مع عرفانها فأنار الله بأبي محمد ص ظلمها وكشف عن القلوب بهمها وجلى عن الأبصار غممها وقام في الناس بالهداية فأنقذهم من الغواية وبصرهم من العماية وهداهم إلى الدين القويم ودعاهم إلى الطريق المستقيم ثم قبضه الله إليه قبض رأفة واختيار ورغبة وإيثار فمحمد ( ص ) من تعب هذه الدار في راحة قد حف بالملائكة الأبرار ورضوان الرب الغفار ومجاورة الملك الجبار صلى الله على أبي نبيه وأمينه وخيرته من الخلق وصفيه والسلام عليه ورحمة الله وبركاته.

روى عبد الله بن الحسن باسناده عن آبائه ، أنه لما أجمع أبوبكر وعمر على منع فاطمة عليها السلام فدكا و بلغها ذلك لاثت خمارها على رأسها و اشتملت بجلبابها وأقبلت في لمةٍ من حفدتها ونساء قومها تطأ ذيولها، ما تخرم مشيتها مشية رسول الله ( ص )، حتى دخلت على أبي بكر وهو في حشد من المهاجرين والأنصار وغيرهم فنيطت دونها ملاءة فجلست ثم أنَت أنَةً أجهش القوم لها بالبكاء فأرتج المجلس ثم أمهلت هنيئة حتى إذا سكن نشيج القوم وهدأت فورتهم افتتحت الكلام بحمد الله و الثناء عليه والصلاة على رسوله فعاد القوم في بكائهم فلما أمسكوا عادت في كلامها فقالت عليها السلام:

خطبة فاطمة الزهراء بنت النبي محمد في مسجد أبيها (ص) عند مطالبتها بفدك وميراثها من أبيها:

Abu Bakr was in the company of a crowd of the Muhajirun and Ansar and others. A curtain was placed behind which she sat and moaned. Hearing her thus moaning, everyone present burst in tears, so much so that the meeting place shook. She waited for a moment till the sobbing stopped and the fervor abated. She started her speech by praising Allah and lauding Him, sending blessings to His Messenger, whereupon people resumed their cries. When they stopped, she resumed her speech saying,

“Praise to Allah for that which He bestowed (us). We thank and laud Him for all that which He inspired and offered, for the abundant boons which He initiated, the perfect grants which He presented. Such boons are too many to compute, too vast to measure. Their limit is too distant to grasp. He commended them (to His beings) so they would gain more by being grateful for their continuity.

He ordained Himself praiseworthy by giving generously to His creatures. I testify that there is no God but Allah, the One without a partner, a statement which sincere devotion is its interpretation, the hearts guarantee its continuation, and in the minds and hearts is its perpetuation. He is the One Who cannot be perceived with vision, nor can He be described by tongues, nor can imagination comprehend how He is.

He originated things but not from anything that existed before them, created them without pre-existing examples. Rather, He created them with His might and spread them according to His will. He did so not for a need for which He created them, nor for a benefit (for Him) did He shape them, but to establish His wisdom, bring attention to His obedience, manifest His might, lead His creatures to humbly venerate Him and exalt His decrees. He then made the reward for obedience to Him and punishment for disobedience so as to protect His creatures from His Wrath and amass them into His Paradise.

“I also testify that my Father, Muhammad, is His servant and messenger whom He chose and prior to sending him when the [souls of all] beings were still concealed in that which was transcendental, protected from anything appalling, associated with termination and nonexistence. Allah the Exalted One knew that which was to follow, comprehended that which would come to pass and realized the place of every event.

Allah sent him (Muhammad) to perfect His commands, a resolution to accomplish His decree, and an implementation of the dictates of His Mercy. So he (Muhammad) found nations differing in their creeds, obsessed by their fires [Zoroastrians], worshipping their idols [Pagans], and denying Allah [atheists] despite their knowledge of Him.

Therefore, Allah illuminated their darkness with my Father, Muhammad, uncovered obscurity from their hearts, and cleared the clouds from their insights. He revealed guidance to the people. He delivered them from being led astray, taking them away from misguidance, showing them the right religion and inviting them to the Straight Path (as-Sirat al-Mustaqeem).

“Allah then chose to recall him mercifully, with love and preference. So, Muhammad is now in comfort, released from the burden of this world, surrounded angels of devotion, satisfied with the Merciful Lord and with being near the powerful King. So, peace of Allah with my Father, His Prophet, the trusted one, the one whom He chose from among His servants, His sincere friend, and peace and blessings of Allah with him.”

Fatima ‎(‎ع‎)‎ then turned to the crowd and said:

“Surely you (people) are Allah's servants at His command and prohibition, bearers of His creed and revelation. You are the ones whom Allah entrusted to fare with your own selves, His messengers to the nations. Amongst you does He have the right authority, a covenant which He brought forth to you and an legacy which He left to guard you: The eloquent Book of Allah, the Qur’an of the truth, the brilliant light, the shining beam. Its insights are indisputable, its secrets are revealed, its indications are manifest and those who follow it are surely blessed.

(The Qur’an) leads its adherents to righteousness. Listening (and acting upon) it leads to salvation. Through it are the enlightening divine arguments achieved, His manifest determination acquired, His prohibited decrees avoided, His manifest evidence recognized, His convincing proofs made apparent, His permissions granted and His laws written.

So Allah made belief (in Islam) a purification for you from polytheism. He made prayers an exaltation for you from conceit, Zakat purification for the soul and a (cause of) growth in subsistence, fasting an implantation of devotion, pilgrimage a construction of the creed and justice (Adl) the harmony of the hearts. And He made obedience to us (Ahl al-Bayt) the management of the affairs of the nation and our leadership (Ahl al-Bayt) a safeguard from disunity.

He made jihad (struggle) a way for strengthening Islam and patience a helping course for deserving (divine) rewards. He made commending what is right (Amr Bil Ma’ruf) a cause for public welfare, kindness to parents a safeguard from (His) wrath, the maintaining of close ties with one's kin a cause for a longer life and for multiplying the number of offspring, in-kind reprisal (qisas قصاص) to save lives, fulfillment of vows the earning of mercy, the completion of weights and measures a cause for avoiding neglecting the rights of others, forbidding drinking wines an exaltation from atrocity, avoiding slander a veil from curse, abandoning theft a reason for deserving chastity.

Allah has also prohibited polytheism so that one can devote himself to His Mastership. Therefore; Fear Allah as He should be feared, and die not except in a state of Islam; Obey Allah in that which He has commanded you to do and that which He has forbidden, for surely those truly fear among His servants, who have knowledge.'

“O People! Be informed that I am Fatima, and my father is Muhammad I say that repeatedly and initiate it continually; I say not what I say mistakenly, nor do I do what I do aimlessly. Now has come unto you an Apostle from amongst yourselves; It grieves him that you should perish; ardently anxious is he over you; To the believers he is most kind and merciful. Thus, if you identify and recognize him, you shall realize that he is my father and not the father of any of your women; the brother of my cousin (Ali ‎(‎ع‎)‎) rather than any of your men.

What an excellent identity he was, may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him and his descendants Thus, he propagated the Message, by coming out openly with the warning, and while inclined away from the path of the polytheists, (whom he) struck their strength and seized their throats, while he invited (all) to the way of his Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching He destroyed idols, and defeated heroes, until their group fled and turned their backs. So night revealed its dawn; righteousness uncovered its genuineness; the voice of the religious authority spoke out loud; the evil discords were silenced.

The crown of hypocrisy was diminished; the tightening of infidelity and desertion were untied, So you spoke the statement of devotion amongst a band of starved ones; and you were on the edge of a hole of fire;(you were) the drink of the thirsty one; the opportunity of the desiring one; the fire brand of him who passes in haste; the step for feet; you used to drink from the water gathered on roads; eat jerked meat. (Lady Fatima (ع) was stating their lowly situation before Islam) You were despised outcasts always in fear of abduction from those around you.

Yet, Allah rescued you through my father, Muhammad after much ado, and after he was confronted by mighty men, the Arab beasts, and the demons of the people of the Book Who, whenever they ignited the fire of war, Allah extinguished it; and whenever the thorn of the devil appeared, or a mouth of the polytheists opened wide in defiance, he would strike its discords with his brother (Ali, (ع)), who comes not back until he treads its wing with the sole of his feet, and extinguishes its flames with his sword.

(Ali is) diligent in Allah's affair, near to the Messenger of Allah, A master among Allah's worshippers, setting to work briskly, sincere in his advice, earnest and exerting himself (in service to Islam); While you were calm, gay, and feeling safe in your comfortable lives, waiting for us to meet disasters, awaiting the spread of news, you fell back during every battle, and took to your heels at times of fighting.

Yet, When Allah chose His Prophet from the dwell of His prophets, and the abode of His sincere (servants); The thorns of hypocrisy appeared on you, the garment of faith became worn out, The misguided ignorant(s) spoke out, the sluggish ignorant came to the front and brayed. The he camel of the vain wiggled his tail in your courtyards and the your courtyards and the Devil stuck his head from its place of hiding and called upon you, he found you responsive to his invitation, and observing his deceits.

He then aroused you and found you quick (to answer him), and invited you to wrath, therefore; you branded other than your camels and proceeded to other than your drinking places. Then while the era of the Prophet was still near, the gash was still wide, the scar had not yet healed, and the Messenger was not yet buried. A (quick) undertaking as you claimed, aimed at preventing discord (trial), Surely, they have fallen into trial already! And indeed Hell surrounds the unbelievers.

How preposterous! What an idea! What a falsehood! For Allah's Book is still amongst you, its affairs are apparent; its rules are manifest; its signs are dazzling; its restrictions are visible, and its commands are evident. Yet, indeed you have cast it behind your backs! What! Do you detest it? Or according to something else you wish to rule?

Evil would be the exchange for the wrongdoers! And if anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), it never will it be accepted from him; And in the hereafter, he will be in the ranks of those who have lost. Surely you have not waited until its stampede seized, and it became obedient. You then started arousing its flames, instigating its coal, complying with the call of the misled devil, quenching the light of the manifest religion, and extinguished the light of the sincere Prophet.

You concealed sips on froth and proceeded towards his (the Prophet) kin and children in swamps and forests (meaning you plot against them in deceitful ways), but we are patient with you as if we are being notched with knives and stung by spearheads in our abdomens, Yet-now you claim that there is not inheritance for us! What! "Do they then seek after a judgment of (the Days of) ignorance? But How, for a people whose faith is assured, can give better judgment than Allah? Don't you know? Yes, indeed it is obvious to you that I am his daughter. O Muslims! Will my inheritance be usurped?

O son of Abu Quhafa! Where is it in the Book of Allah that you inherit your father and I do not inherit mine? Surely you have come up with an unprecedented thing. Do you intentionally abandon the Book of Allah and cast it behind your back? Do you not read where it says: And Solomon (Sulayman) inherited David (Dawood)'? And when it narrates the story of Zacharias and says: `So give me an heir as from thyself (One that) will inherit me, and inherit the posterity of Jacob (Yaqoob)'

And: `But kindred by hood have prior rights against each other in the Book of Allah' And: Allah (thus) directs you as regards your children's (inheritance) to the male, a portion equal to that of two females' And, If he leaves any goods, that he make a bequest to parents and next of kin, according to reasonable usage; this is due from the pious ones.'

You claim that I have no share! And that I do not inherit my father! What! Did Allah reveal a (Qur’anic) verse regarding you, from which He excluded my father? Or do you say: `These (Fatima and her father) are the people of two faiths, they do not inherit each other?!' Are we not, me and my father, a people adhering to one faith? Or is it that you have more knowledge about the specifications and generalizations of the Qur’an than my father and my cousin (Imam Ali)?

So, here you are! Take it! (Ready with) its nose rope and saddled! But if shall encounter you on the Day of Gathering; (thus) what a wonderful judge is Allah, a claimant is Muhammad, and a day is the Day of Rising. At the time of the Hour shall the wrongdoers lose; and it shall not benefit you to regret (your actions) then! For every Message, there is a time limit; and soon shall ye know who will be inflicted with torture that will humiliate him, and who will be confronted by an everlasting punishment. (Fatima then turned towards the Ansar and said:) O you people of intellect! The strong supporters of the nation! And those who embraced Islam; What is this shortcoming in defending my right? And what is this slumber (while you see) injustice (being done toward me)? Did not the Messenger of Allah, my father, used to say: A man is upheld (remembered) by his children'? O how quick have you violated (his orders)?!

How soon have you plotted against us? But you still are capable (of helping me in) my attempt, and powerful (to help me) in that which I request and (in) my pursuit (of it). Or do you say: "Muhammad has perished;" Surely this is a great calamity; Its damage is excessive its injury is great, Its wound (is much too deep) to heal.

The Earth became darkened with his departure; the stars eclipsed for his calamity; hopes were seized; mountains submitted; sanctity was violated, and holiness was encroached upon after his death. Therefore, this, by Allah, is the great affliction, and the grand calamity; there is not an affliction-which is the like of it; nor will there be a sudden misfortune (as surprising as this).

The Book of Allah-excellent in praising him-announced in the courtyards (of your houses) in the place where you spend your evenings and mornings; A call, A cry, A recitation, and (verses) in order. It had previously came upon His (Allah's) Prophets and Messengers; (for it is) A decree final, and a predestination fulfilled: "Muhammad is not but an Apostle: Many were the apostles that passed away before him. If he died or was slain, will ye then turn back on your heels? If any did turn back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah; but Allah (on the other hand) will swiftly reward those who (serve Him) with gratitude."

O you people of reflection; will I be usurped the inheritance of my father while you hear and see me?! (And while) You are sitting and gathered around me? You hear my call, and are included in the (news of the) affair? (But) You are numerous and well equipped! (You have) the means and the power, and the weapons and the shields.

Yet, the call reaches you but you do not answer; the cry comes to you but you do not come to help? (This) While you are characterized by struggle, known for goodness and welfare, the selected group (which was chosen), and the best ones chosen by the Messenger for us, Ahlul- Bayt. You fought the Arabs, bore with pain and exhaustion, struggled against the nations, and resisted their heroes. We were still, so were you in ordering you, and you in obeying us.

So that Islam became triumphant, the accomplishment of the days came near, the fort of polytheism was subjected, the outburst of was subjected, the outburst of infidelity calmed down, and the system of religion was well-ordered. Thus, (why have you) become confused after clearness? Conceal matters after announcing them? Do you thus turn on your heels after daring, associating (others with Allah) after believing? Will you not fight people who violated their oaths? Plotted to expel the Apostle and became aggressive by being the first (to assault) you? Do ye fear them? Nay, it is Allah Whom you should more justly fear, if you believe!

Now I see that you are inclined to easy living; having dismissed one who is more worthy of guardianship [referring to Ali (ع)]. You secluded yourselves with meekness and dismissed that which you accepted. Yet, if you show ingratitude, ye and all on earth together, yet, Allah free of all wants, worthy of all praise.

Surely I have said all that I have said with full knowledge that you intent to forsake me, and knowing the betrayal that your hearts sensed. But it is the state of soul, the effusion of fury, the dissemination of (what is) the chest and the presentation of the proof.

Hence, Here it is! Bag it (leadership and) put it on the back of an ill she camel, which has a thin hump with everlasting grace, marked with the wrath of Allah, and the blame of ever (which leads to) the Fire of (the wrath of Allah kindled (to a blaze), that which doth mount (right) to the hearts; For, Allah witnesses what you do, and soon will the unjust assailants know what vicissitudes their affairs will take! And I am the daughter of a warner (the Prophet) to you against a severe punishment. So, act and so will we, and wait, and we shall wait.'”

 

This Khutba Fadak is a fabrication and is this even reliable according to Shia standards? You shouldn't rely on this. Even in this sermon there is nothing in it where Fatima  (ra) acknowledge Ali as her Imam. 

 

What is more funny is that Fatima was attacked, her ribs were broken and her unborn child killed, her house burned, and divine caliphate of Ali was usurped. After all this she goes to the Mosque and gives a long sermon about the property of fadak? Was land of Fadak more important than the attack on her, the murder of her child and the usurpation of her husband's divine leadership that was announced by the Prophet (saw)?

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Salam , 

 

This speech is about alot more than Fadak. Did you read it ? 

 

And this speech is accepted by Shia and many Sunni brothers as reliable and accurate.

It is not a fabrication. It is read at Shia masjids all over the world during the Fatimiyyah and 

this has been happening for more that 1300 years. 

 

Anyway, you are attempting to divert the topic by asking for more proof about an obvious thing. 

 

This speech clearly shows that she did not accept Abu Bakr as her Imam and this was her 

position until her death. So based on that, you can only come to two conclusion, based on hadith

that you accept as authentic

 

1) Abu Bakr was not the Imam

2) Fatima Zahra(a.s), Cheif of the Women of Paradise, daughter of Rasoulallah (pbuh)  and the first women to accept Islam, Sayyida Khadija (as), died the death of Jahilliyah

 

Which one are you willing to accept 1 or 2 ? 

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Salam , 

 

This speech is about alot more than Fadak. Did you read it ? 

 

And this speech is accepted by Shia and many Sunni brothers as reliable and accurate.

It is not a fabrication. It is read at Shia masjids all over the world during the Fatimiyyah and 

this has been happening for more that 1300 years. 

 

Anyway, you are attempting to divert the topic by asking for more proof about an obvious thing. 

 

This speech clearly shows that she did not accept Abu Bakr as her Imam and this was her 

position until her death. So based on that, you can only come to two conclusion, based on hadith

that you accept as authentic

 

1) Abu Bakr was not the Imam

2) Fatima Zahra(a.s), Cheif of the Women of Paradise, daughter of Rasoulallah  (pbuh)  and the first women to accept Islam, Sayyida Khadija  (as), died the death of Jahilliyah

 

Which one are you willing to accept 1 or 2 ? 

(salam) Br.

 

Yes I read it. It is about Fadak, thats why it is called Khutba of Fadak. I also see that She bashes the Muhajirin and Ansar for not defending her right (land of Fadak). 

 

Anyways, it is a fabrication. What you said is not an evidence of its authenticity. Just because Shia read it in their Majalis doesn't make it authentic even according to Shia standards. If I am right by 'Sunni brothers' you mean Sunni scholars? If yes then can you name the 'many' who accepted this as reliable and accurate? Since the sermon is not mentioned in Sunni sources.  

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Fatimah (sa) raised a voice when Fadak was stolen from her, protesting to Abu Bakr, she said:

You have taken over possesion of Fadak although the Prophet had gifted it to me during his life time.

On this Abu Bakr asked her to produce witnesses of the gift. Consequently, Imam ‘Ali (as) and Umm Ayman gave evidence on her favor. (Umm Ayman was the freed bond maid and the dry nurse for the Holy Prophet (S), She was the mother of Usamah ibn Zayd ibn al Harith. The Holy Prophet usted to say Umm Ayman is my mother after my mother. The Holy Prophet (S) also bore witness that she is among the people of paradise.

Sunni references:

- al Mustadrak, vol 4 p 63

- History of Tabari, vol 3 p 3460

- al Istiab, vol 4 p 1793

- Usud al Ghabah, vol 5 p 567

- Tabaqat, vol 8 p 192

- al Isabah, vol 4 p 432

So it was gifted to her.

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surely her Imam was not Abubakr, because:

 

  فَغَضِبَتْ فَاطِمَةُ بِنْتُ رسول اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَهَجَرَتْ أَبَا بَكْرٍ فلم تَزَلْ مُهَاجِرَتَهُ حتى تُوُفِّيَتْ

صحيح البخاري، ج 3،‌ ص 1126، ح2926، باب فَرْضِ الْخُمُسِ، تحقيق د. مصطفى ديب البغا، ناشر: دار ابن كثير، اليمامة - بيروت، الطبعة: الثالثة، 1407 - 1987.

 

Sahih- al bukhari. vol.3, p.1126, h.2926

 

وَعَاشَتْ بَعْدَ النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم سِتَّةَ أَشْهُرٍ فلما تُوُفِّيَتْ دَفَنَهَا زَوْجُهَا عَلِيٌّ لَيْلًا ولم يُؤْذِنْ بها أَبَا بَكْرٍ وَصَلَّى عليها

 

البخاري الجعفي، محمد بن إسماعيل أبو عبدالله (متوفاي256هـ)، صحيح البخاري، ج 4، ص 1549، ح3998، كتاب المغازي، باب غزوة خيبر، تحقيق د. مصطفى ديب البغا، ناشر:

دار ابن كثير، اليمامة - بيروت، الطبعة: الثالثة، 1407 - 1987.

 

Sahih- al bukhari, vol.4 p.1549, h. 3998

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(salam) Br.

 

Yes I read it. It is about Fadak, thats why it is called Khutba of Fadak. I also see that She bashes the Muhajirin and Ansar for not defending her right (land of Fadak). 

 

Anyways, it is a fabrication. What you said is not an evidence of its authenticity. Just because Shia read it in their Majalis doesn't make it authentic even according to Shia standards. If I am right by 'Sunni brothers' you mean Sunni scholars? If yes then can you name the 'many' who accepted this as reliable and accurate? Since the sermon is not mentioned in Sunni sources.  

Salam, 

 

Just because you say it is a fabrication does not make it so. 

 

There are lots of references to the particulars of this event by Sunni Scholars. 

Here is the link to the article regarding this 

 

http://www.al-islam.org/shiite-encyclopedia-ahlul-bayt-dilp-team/short-history-fadak-after-martyrdom-fatimah

 

 

Since the evidence has been presented and is not disputed by you or anyone regarding the fact that Fatima Zahra(a.s)

 

DID NOT 

 

accept Abu Bakr as her Imam, then I will ask you again to tell me which conclusion can we reach from this

 

1) Abu Bakr was not the Imam

2) Fatima(a.s) died the death of Jahiliyyah. 

 

It has to be one of those two. You still haven't told me which conclusion is the right one, according to you. 

It's a simple question, why is it so difficult for your to answer ? 

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Salam, 

 

Just because you say it is a fabrication does not make it so. 

 

There are lots of references to the particulars of this event by Sunni Scholars. 

Here is the link to the article regarding this 

 

http://www.al-islam.org/shiite-encyclopedia-ahlul-bayt-dilp-team/short-history-fadak-after-martyrdom-fatimah

 

 

Since the evidence has been presented and is not disputed by you or anyone regarding the fact that Fatima Zahra(a.s)

 

DID NOT 

 

accept Abu Bakr as her Imam, then I will ask you again to tell me which conclusion can we reach from this

 

1) Abu Bakr was not the Imam

2) Fatima(a.s) died the death of Jahiliyyah. 

 

It has to be one of those two. You still haven't told me which conclusion is the right one, according to you. 

It's a simple question, why is it so difficult for your to answer ? 

 

(salam) Br. 

 

Can you please show me where in that link you provided there is anything about Khutba Fadak and Sunnis scholar accept it as reliable and accurate? The link is about Fadak nothing about the 'Khutba Fadakiya' that you used as evidence. 

 

Know that this khutba is not mentioned in Sunni sources at all nor it is authenticated by a single Sunni scholar. It is only mentioned in Shia sources and it is not even reliable according to Shia standards. 

 

 

My answers are clear:

 

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235020576-who-is-fatima-zahraass-imam/page-2#entry2675082

 

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235020576-who-is-fatima-zahraass-imam/page-2#entry2675443

 

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235020576-who-is-fatima-zahraass-imam/page-2#entry2675648

 

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235020576-who-is-fatima-zahraass-imam/page-2#entry2675804

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Salam, OK Brother, let's leave out this speech all together since you don't accept it. 

The main point is that there were many narrations, some acceptable to Sunni that show that

Fatima(a.s) was angry with Abu Bakr till the day she died. 

 

If she was angry with him, she didn't accept him as her Imam.

 

If you look at this issue objectively, you will see there is two sides, one that says that she 'made up' with Abu Bakr before her death, and these traditions are narrated by enemies of Imam Ali(a.s), as the other brothers on this thread have shone, 

 

The other side, the majority of the evidence, and the more credible evidence, shows that Fatima(a.s) was angry with Abu Bakr till the day she died and not one single authentic tradition from either side shows that she ever accepted Abu Bakr's Imamate. 

 

Since she is the daughter of Rasoulallah (pbuh) and not just some ordinary women, her bayyat was necessary for the government of Abu Bakr to be accepted., this fact stands as a very big and huge question mark in the history of Islam which you haven't discussed or addressed. You are merely criticizing one narration or another without looking at the main issue and ignoring all the evidence posted that disagrees with your point of view. If you want to know the truth, you will never know the truth except by looking at the issue as a whole and examining it. If you are willing to do that, then we can continue the discussion. Salam. 

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Salam, OK Brother, let's leave out this speech all together since you don't accept it. 

The main point is that there were many narrations, some acceptable to Sunni that show that

Fatima(a.s) was angry with Abu Bakr till the day she died. 

 

If she was angry with him, she didn't accept him as her Imam.

 

If you look at this issue objectively, you will see there is two sides, one that says that she 'made up' with Abu Bakr before her death, and these traditions are narrated by enemies of Imam Ali(a.s), as the other brothers on this thread have shone, 

 

The other side, the majority of the evidence, and the more credible evidence, shows that Fatima(a.s) was angry with Abu Bakr till the day she died and not one single authentic tradition from either side shows that she ever accepted Abu Bakr's Imamate. 

 

Since she is the daughter of Rasoulallah  (pbuh) and not just some ordinary women, her bayyat was necessary for the government of Abu Bakr to be accepted., this fact stands as a very big and huge question mark in the history of Islam which you haven't discussed or addressed. You are merely criticizing one narration or another without looking at the main issue and ignoring all the evidence posted that disagrees with your point of view. If you want to know the truth, you will never know the truth except by looking at the issue as a whole and examining it. If you are willing to do that, then we can continue the discussion. Salam. 

 

(salam) Br. 

 

Not just me but you also should reject something that is unreliable.

 

I already answered the issue of anger and bayah of Sayyida Fatima (ra) in previous pages so I am not going to repeat myself. 

 

I will post the links for you to read them again:

 

http://www.shiachat....-2#entry2675082

 

http://www.shiachat....-2#entry2675443

 

http://www.shiachat....-2#entry2675648

 

http://www.shiachat....-2#entry2675804

 

Also, here is an authentic narration, narrated by supporters of Ali, where Sayyida Fatima addressed Abubakr as "Khalifa of Rasoulullah":

 

عَنْ أَبِي الطُّفَيْلِ ، قَالَ : جَاءَتْ فَاطِمَةُ إِلَى أَبِي بَكْرٍ ، فَقَالَتْ : يَا خَلِيفَةَ رَسُولِ الله صَلَّى الله عَلَيه وسَلَّم ، أَنْتَ وَرِثت رَسُولِ الله أَمْ أَهْلُهُ ؟ قَالَ : بَلْ أَهْلُهُ 

 

...from abi al-Tufayl that he said: Fatima came to Abu Bakr and said: "O successor of Rassul-Allah (SAWS), did you inherit the messenger of Allah or his family?" He said: "His family."...

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(salam) Br. 

 

Not just me but you also should reject something that is unreliable.

 

I already answered the issue of anger and bayah of Sayyida Fatima (ra) in previous pages so I am not going to repeat myself. 

 

I will post the links for you to read them again:

 

http://www.shiachat....-2#entry2675082

 

http://www.shiachat....-2#entry2675443

 

http://www.shiachat....-2#entry2675648

 

http://www.shiachat....-2#entry2675804

 

Also, here is an authentic narration, narrated by supporters of Ali, where Sayyida Fatima addressed Abubakr as "Khalifa of Rasoulullah":

 

عَنْ أَبِي الطُّفَيْلِ ، قَالَ : جَاءَتْ فَاطِمَةُ إِلَى أَبِي بَكْرٍ ، فَقَالَتْ : يَا خَلِيفَةَ رَسُولِ الله صَلَّى الله عَلَيه وسَلَّم ، أَنْتَ وَرِثت رَسُولِ الله أَمْ أَهْلُهُ ؟ قَالَ : بَلْ أَهْلُهُ 

 

...from abi al-Tufayl that he said: Fatima came to Abu Bakr and said: "O successor of Rassul-Allah (SAWS), did you inherit the messenger of Allah or his family?" He said: "His family."...

 

Just because the term used is successor doesnt imply agreement or obedience. Besides the fact that it was true and literal as abu bakr himself believed to be the succesor of rasullah whether obtained unjustly or un-rightfully. You would have to show proof of the opinion of Fatima A.S and obviously its proven she did angry with him... It really is funny and contradictory on having a "authentic" hadith stating abu bakr inherited from Muhammad lool

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Also, here is an authentic narration, narrated by supporters of Ali, where Sayyida Fatima addressed Abubakr as "Khalifa of Rasoulullah":

 

عَنْ أَبِي الطُّفَيْلِ ، قَالَ : جَاءَتْ فَاطِمَةُ إِلَى أَبِي بَكْرٍ ، فَقَالَتْ : يَا خَلِيفَةَ رَسُولِ الله صَلَّى الله عَلَيه وسَلَّم ، أَنْتَ وَرِثت رَسُولِ الله أَمْ أَهْلُهُ ؟ قَالَ : بَلْ أَهْلُهُ 

 

...from abi al-Tufayl that he said: Fatima came to Abu Bakr and said: "O successor of Rassul-Allah (SAWS), did you inherit the messenger of Allah or his family?" He said: "His family."...

 

What is the source for this hadith ? 

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(bismillah)

 

(salam)

 

^ So the family of the Prophet does inherit from the Prophet, and Abu Bakr affirmed this.

Had he forgotten his own report from the Prophet, we prophets do not leave inheritance?

 

the root-word used in both is the same: warithta, nūrath --> waritha

 

 

 

(wasalam)

 

(wasalam)

 

I should have quoted the full narration to avoid confusion. Let me quote the full narration:

 

 

وَقَالَ أَبُو يَعْلَى الْمُوصِلِيُّ حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنُ صَالِحٍ ، حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ فُضَيْلٍ ، عَنِ الْوَلِيدِ بْنِ جُمَيْعٍ ، عَنْ أَبِي الطُّفَيْلِ ، قَالَ : جَاءَتْ فَاطِمَةُ إِلَى أَبِي بَكْرٍ ، فَقَالَتْ : يَا خَلِيفَةَ رَسُولِ الله صَلَّى الله عَلَيه وسَلَّم ، أَنْتَ وَرِثت رَسُولِ الله أَمْ أَهْلُهُ ؟ قَالَ : بَلْ أَهْلُهُ قَالَتْ : فَمَا بَالُ سَهْمِ رَسُولِ الله صَلَّى الله عَلَيه وسَلَّم ؟ قَالَ : إِنِّي سَمِعْتُ رَسُولَ الله صَلَّى الله عَلَيه وسَلَّم ، يَقُولُ : إِذَا أَطْعَمَ الله , عَزَّ وَجَلَّ , نَبِيًّا طُعْمَةً ، ثُمَّ قَبَضَهُ جَعَلَهُ لِلَّذِي يَقُومُ بَعْدَهُ فَرَأَيْتُ أَنْ أَرُدَّهُ عَلَى الْمِسْلِمِينَ ، فَقَالَتْ : أَنْتَ وَرَسُولُ الله أَعْلَمُ.

 

[Abu Ya`la al-Mousili said: `Abdul-Rahman bin Salih said: Muhammad bin Fudayl said, from al-Walid bin Jumay` (bin `Abdullah), from abi al-Tufayl that he said: Fatima came to Abu Bakr and said: "O successor of Rassul-Allah (SAWS), did you inherit the messenger of Allah or his family?" He said: "His family." She asked: "Then what of the share of the messenger (SAWS)?" He replied: "I heard the messenger of Allah (SAWS) say: "If Allah the majestic and great gave a prophet a blessing then took his soul, it becomes for the one who took his place after him." So I decided that I should distribute it among the Muslims." Fatima told him: "You and the messenger of Allah know best."]

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(wasalam)

 

I should have quoted the full narration to avoid confusion. Let me quote the full narration:

 

 

وَقَالَ أَبُو يَعْلَى الْمُوصِلِيُّ حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنُ صَالِحٍ ، حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ فُضَيْلٍ ، عَنِ الْوَلِيدِ بْنِ جُمَيْعٍ ، عَنْ أَبِي الطُّفَيْلِ ، قَالَ : جَاءَتْ فَاطِمَةُ إِلَى أَبِي بَكْرٍ ، فَقَالَتْ : يَا خَلِيفَةَ رَسُولِ الله صَلَّى الله عَلَيه وسَلَّم ، أَنْتَ وَرِثت رَسُولِ الله أَمْ أَهْلُهُ ؟ قَالَ : بَلْ أَهْلُهُ قَالَتْ : فَمَا بَالُ سَهْمِ رَسُولِ الله صَلَّى الله عَلَيه وسَلَّم ؟ قَالَ : إِنِّي سَمِعْتُ رَسُولَ الله صَلَّى الله عَلَيه وسَلَّم ، يَقُولُ : إِذَا أَطْعَمَ الله , عَزَّ وَجَلَّ , نَبِيًّا طُعْمَةً ، ثُمَّ قَبَضَهُ جَعَلَهُ لِلَّذِي يَقُومُ بَعْدَهُ فَرَأَيْتُ أَنْ أَرُدَّهُ عَلَى الْمِسْلِمِينَ ، فَقَالَتْ : أَنْتَ وَرَسُولُ الله أَعْلَمُ.

 

[Abu Ya`la al-Mousili said: `Abdul-Rahman bin Salih said: Muhammad bin Fudayl said, from al-Walid bin Jumay` (bin `Abdullah), from abi al-Tufayl that he said: Fatima came to Abu Bakr and said: "O successor of Rassul-Allah (SAWS), did you inherit the messenger of Allah or his family?" He said: "His family." She asked: "Then what of the share of the messenger (SAWS)?" He replied: "I heard the messenger of Allah (SAWS) say: "If Allah the majestic and great gave a prophet a blessing then took his soul, it becomes for the one who took his place after him." So I decided that I should distribute it among the Muslims." Fatima told him: "You and the messenger of Allah know best."]

 

 

Do you have a hadith where Muhammad A.S mentions "this" inheritance to bakr? Or is bakr just speaking out of his mouth? So why does bakr inherit anything at all? That doesnt make any sense. The prophet had his own family and supposedly he let bakr decide ??

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(wasalam)

 

I should have quoted the full narration to avoid confusion. Let me quote the full narration:

 

 

وَقَالَ أَبُو يَعْلَى الْمُوصِلِيُّ حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنُ صَالِحٍ ، حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ فُضَيْلٍ ، عَنِ الْوَلِيدِ بْنِ جُمَيْعٍ ، عَنْ أَبِي الطُّفَيْلِ ، قَالَ : جَاءَتْ فَاطِمَةُ إِلَى أَبِي بَكْرٍ ، فَقَالَتْ : يَا خَلِيفَةَ رَسُولِ الله صَلَّى الله عَلَيه وسَلَّم ، أَنْتَ وَرِثت رَسُولِ الله أَمْ أَهْلُهُ ؟ قَالَ : بَلْ أَهْلُهُ قَالَتْ : فَمَا بَالُ سَهْمِ رَسُولِ الله صَلَّى الله عَلَيه وسَلَّم ؟ قَالَ : إِنِّي سَمِعْتُ رَسُولَ الله صَلَّى الله عَلَيه وسَلَّم ، يَقُولُ : إِذَا أَطْعَمَ الله , عَزَّ وَجَلَّ , نَبِيًّا طُعْمَةً ، ثُمَّ قَبَضَهُ جَعَلَهُ لِلَّذِي يَقُومُ بَعْدَهُ فَرَأَيْتُ أَنْ أَرُدَّهُ عَلَى الْمِسْلِمِينَ ، فَقَالَتْ : أَنْتَ وَرَسُولُ الله أَعْلَمُ.

 

[Abu Ya`la al-Mousili said: `Abdul-Rahman bin Salih said: Muhammad bin Fudayl said, from al-Walid bin Jumay` (bin `Abdullah), from abi al-Tufayl that he said: Fatima came to Abu Bakr and said: "O successor of Rassul-Allah (SAWS), did you inherit the messenger of Allah or his family?" He said: "His family." She asked: "Then what of the share of the messenger (SAWS)?" He replied: "I heard the messenger of Allah (SAWS) say: "If Allah the majestic and great gave a prophet a blessing then took his soul, it becomes for the one who took his place after him." So I decided that I should distribute it among the Muslims." Fatima told him: "You and the messenger of Allah know best."]

Br. By the source i mean which book is the hadith recorded in. 

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(bismillah)

 

(salam) Akhī abdul hussein

 

 

 

I am not here to engage, as I am weaning myself from SC for the coming months, except for the odd comment here or there.

Inshallah the other brethren will take this up properly, with clear argumentation and, of course, with respect towards you.

 

 

The point remains, which inshallah the other brethren here will take up.

 

How is it that Abu Bakr agrees that the family inherits from the Prophet and not Abu Bakr, and yet he says the Prophets leave no inheritance and then says I decided to distribute it amongst the Muslims?

Which fiqhī madhhab in all of Islām permits another - even the ruler - to take from the inheritance of somebody else?

 

 

 

The problem your Shīʿī brethren have is quite clear:

he says the family inherit today, and says the family do not inherit tomorrow, and commits a clear contradiction.

if he was right the first time, then who gave him the right to distribute the inheritance of another among Muslims?

if he was right the second time, then how is it that only he remembered this ḥadīth of lā nūrath [we do not leave as inheritance], a khabar wāḥid, but the daughter of the Prophet herself was not told by her father [ṣ] that she is not receiving anything?

Did Abū Bakr know better about the Prophet's inheritance that the Prophet's daughter and the waṣī, the Executor of his [ṣ] Will, ʿAlī [a]?

You have to forgive your Shīʿī brethren for calling the Sunnī account entirely implausible and incoherent.

 

Inshallah, others will continue this discussion in a respectful and analytic manner.

This will be my last post.

 

(wasalam)

(wasalam)

 

I am Akhi Abul Hussain not Abdul Hussain :)

 

Anyways, brother you can open a new topic and we can discuss there not here as it is a different topic. 

Edited by Abul Hussain Hassani

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(salam)

 

Ithaf al-Khayarah al-Maharah by al-Bouwaysiri 

Musnad Abi Yala etc

 

The narration is Sahih. 

 

(wasalam)

 

I have never heard of this book or the author. 

When I googled it, there were only two results returned. 

One was a link to the Salafi website twelvershia.net

 

Interesting. Have any of the brothers ever heard of this book ? 

Edited by Abu Hadi

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(wasalam)

I have never heard of this book or the author.

When I googled it, there were only two results returned.

One was a link to the Salafi website twelvershia.net

Interesting. Have any of the brothers ever heard of this book ?

(Salam)

Musnad Abi Ya'ala is an important Sunni book

Edited by pyaro

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Oh. OK. Thanks for sharing that Br. Actually I googled the first reference he give, the one in italics. 

Have you heard of that one ? 

Edited by Abu Hadi

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(wasalam)

 

I have never heard of this book or the author. 

When I googled it, there were only two results returned. 

One was a link to the Salafi website twelvershia.net

 

Interesting. Have any of the brothers ever heard of this book ? 

(salam)

 

Also mentioned by:

 

Ahmad

Bayhaqi

etc

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