Why Is The Quran Only Focused On One Region?

[catman]

If the Quran is the word of God then why is it only focused on one specific region of the world?

 

I have the same issue with the Bible.

[Ibn-Ahmed Aliyy Herz]

Because following a religion is useless unless it is the truth rationally speaking. To answer your question and to correct you, the Qur'an does mention other religions and points out the ironies and obviousness of Islam with in them.

[Ethics]

If the Quran is the word of God then why is it only focused on one specific region of the world?

I have the same issue with the Bible.

Salaam.

The Quran is the word of Allah, but not the only one. It is the completion of the bible and Torah (not the changed ones of today but the true ones). Quran repeatedly mentions over an over again "mankind". But uses the Meccans most of the time as an example because it was revelations brought down to Muhammad A.S in his time. Islam is not the religion of the Middle East but of mankind. Tell me, which verse cannot be directed at mankind? You will not find a single one. I would like to ask you, why would this be an issue? In Islam there were 124000 prophets for mankind. The Quran happens to be the one and last holy book revealed upon mankind during the last prophet of Allah.

(Wasalam)

If the Quran is the word of God then why is it only focused on one specific region of the world?

I have the same issue with the Bible.

Edited February 16, 2014 by PureEthics

[eThErEaL]

If the Quran is the word of God then why is it only focused on one specific region of the world?

 

I have the same issue with the Bible.

The reality of the Quran, being eternal, is accessible to every single person in every single era but in a different language and in a different form (what we call "other revelations", "other divinely revealed religions" and "other Books" etc..).

The Quran that was on the tongue of the Prophet (S) is just one of the many unique expressions, in historical time and space, of the Eternal Word of God.  

[Ibn-Ahmed Aliyy Herz]

The Qur'an is not eternal.

[dff]

salaam can you please post ayat, with which u have concern?

[Sumerian]

The Qur'an is not eternal.

Yes it is.

[Al-Hassan]

Yes it is.

The Quran is not eternal. The Shia school of thought,unlike other schools does not believe that it is eternal. 

 

The Noble Quran was created by Allah(swt) to help us understand his attributes. Here are a couple of Ahadith from Kitab Al-Tawhid in Al-Kafi that will help explain this. 

 

H 230, Ch. 5, h2 Ali ibn Ibrahim has narrated from his father from al-Nadr ibn Suwayd from Hisham ibn al-Hakam who has said the following: “Once I asked Imam abu ‘Abd Allah, recipient of divine supreme covenant, about the names of Allah and about the root or derivative forms of those names, ‘What is the root word for the word Allah?’ The Imam replied, ‘The word Allah is derived from the word ’aliha and ‘Ilah (Lord), which requires Ma’luh (servant). Note that names are something other than that to which they apply. O Hisham, whoever worships the name without the fact for which the name stands he has denied the existence of Allah and has not worshipped anything. Whoever worships the name and the meaning for which the name stands he has worshipped two things. Whoever worships the meaning without the name he is a monotheist. Did you understand it, O Hisham?’ Hisham then asked, ‘Please explain further.’ The

Imam then said, ‘Allah has ninety-nine names. If names were the same thing for which they stand every one of them would be a Lord. However, Allah is a meaning for which these names stand and they all are something other than Him. O Hisham, bread is the name for a certain kind of food, water is the name for a certain kind of drink, cloth is the name for a certain kind of garment and fire is the name for a thing that burns. Did you understand, O Hisham, in a manner of understanding that would help you to defend our cause against our enemies and those who worship things other than Allah?’ I said, ‘Yes, I have gained such understanding.’ The Imam then said, ‘May Allah grant you success in it and keep you steadfast (in your belief).Hisham has said, ‘I swear by Allah that since then, no one has been able to defeat me in an argument on the issue of the Oneness of Allah and that has made me reach this position that I hold.’”

 

H 229, Ch. 5, h1 Ali ibn Ibrahim has narrated from Muhammad ibn ‘Isa ibn ‘Ubayd from Hassan ibn Mahbub from ibn Ri’ab from more than one person from abu ‘Abd Allah, recipient of divine supreme covenant, who said the following: “Whoever worships Allah on the basis of Wahm, (a degree of acknowledgement that in terms of knowledge about His existence is valued less than fifty percent), has certainly denied His existence. Whoever worships the names without their meaning certainly has denied His existence also. Whoever worships both the names and the meanings he certainly has become a polytheist. There are those who worship the meaning, with an understanding that names only point to the attributes that He Himself has said are His. They firmly tie this up to their hearts and make their tongues speak it up in private and in public. These are certainly of the friends of ’Amirul al- Mu’minin Ali ibn abu Talib, recipient of divine supreme covenant.”

 

Only Allah(swt) is eternal, and not his creation. 

Edited February 16, 2014 by Taqwa

[Ruq]

The Quran first and foremost had to be accepted by the first community that it was revealed to in order for it to be accepted and spread; so it is, to some extent, catered specifically to that first community - It deals with their cultural situations/social set up and talks to them about a world they recognise (also in descriptions of heaven/hell). But Quran also talks of things that speak more to later generations (like the realities of embryology etc) that the first community would have been pretty much oblivious to. I know where youre coming from though: If the Quran had mentioned eskimo's or native Australians or something it would have meant nothing to the people of the time, but would have been mind blowing to later generations and made it very difficult for the detractors. The language would have always been somewhat ambiguous though i think, unless Arabs had words for 'snow' and 'ice' back then and describing a digereedoo would have probably confused them a great deal and strengthened the accusations that the Prophet(saw) was mad.

[catman]

Like the Bible all these prophets are all in the same region. God/Allah decided that only the Middle East was worthy of his attention. I find it incredibly hard to believe that the Quran and the Bible can reveal the secrets to the creation of man but nothing is mentioned of the outside world.

[eThErEaL]

The Qur'an is not eternal.

The "reality" of the Quran is eternal. I made that bold for a reason.

[baqar]

The Qur'an is not eternal.

 

What do you mean, brother?

[Abu Nur]

What do you mean, brother?

In Kitab al Tawheed by Sheik saduq, there is Editor note about the al-Rida saying:

"It (Qur'an) is neither creator nor created; rather it is the Word of Allah, the Mighty and High"

 

Editor note: "If the Quran is eternal, then both Allah and Quran, have always existed, and this is infidelity. If the Quran is not eternal, then the Word of Allah is separate from Him, and this is infidelity. The truth is other altogether; the Quran is neither creator nor created. The Quran is part of the Word of Allah, and the Word of Allah is part of His Essence, and not separate in any sense.

 

Page 437;

Edited February 20, 2014 by Dhulfikar

[baqar]

Like the Bible all these prophets are all in the same region. God/Allah decided that only the Middle East was worthy of his attention. 

 

Not at all.

 

Prophets were sent to all parts of the world. In Islamic tradition, the total number is 124,000.  They came at different places in different times in history.

 

Ancient Hindu books and teachings of spiritual greats like Confucius and Tao point to a strong possibility that God wanted His prophets to impart His teachings also in other parts of the world.   

 

I believe the indigenous people of North and South America have also received their traditions.

 

All these teachings tend to be changed by the people.

 

But the originals, which may or may not exist any more,  have very likely come from God. 

 

I find it incredibly hard to believe that the Quran and the Bible can reveal the secrets to the creation of man but nothing is mentioned of the outside world.

 

 The Quran is nether a history nor a geography book.

 

The author decides what He needs to put in there, as He deems fit, to serve His objectives.

 

In any case, to teach ethics, morals and spirituality, there is no need to talk about every part of the world.

 

If I write a book or an article, I will decide what best suits my objectives.

 

Others may criticize me for not talking about something that interests them, but my decision is my decision.

 

It is nobody's business and I would regard the expression of surprise as interference or malicious fault-finding.

Edited February 21, 2014 by baqar

[Ibn-Ahmed Aliyy Herz]

The "reality" of the Quran is eternal. I made that bold for a reason.

 

I know you made it bold, however you used the term incorrectly, because reality is an attribute that manifests an objects existence. If something has the attribute of reality then by definition it is real. So to say the reality of the Qur'an is eternal,  you are saying the Qur'an is eternal.

Edited February 21, 2014 by Ibn-Ahmed Aliyy Herz

[Ibn-Ahmed Aliyy Herz]

In Kitab al Tawheed by Sheik saduq, there is Editor note about the al-Rida saying:

"It (Qur'an) is neither creator nor created; rather it is the Word of Allah, the Mighty and High"

 

Editor note: "If the Quran is eternal, then both Allah and Quran, have always existed, and this is infidelity. If the Quran is not eternal, then the Word of Allah is separate from Him, and this is infidelity. The truth is other altogether; the Quran is neither creator nor created. The Quran is part of the Word of Allah, and the Word of Allah is part of His Essence, and not separate in any sense.

 

Page 437;

 

 

The words of Allah are not a part of his essence nor are they eternal, they are muhdath (originated) but not by creation, rather by being spoken as Allah (swt) is a speaker. 

[Abu Nur]

There is interesting hadith from our Imam referred in Kitab Al Tawheed:

 

Abu Abd Allah al-Sadiq (a.s.) said:

 

‘Even in His Essence, and before anything existed, Allah, our Lord, the High and the Mighty, possessed all knowledge. Even in His Essence, and before a sound could be heard, He was All-Hearing. Even in His Essence, when there was nothing to be seen, He was All-Seeing. Even in his Essence, when there was no physical existence, He was Omnipotent. Although they existed prior to creation, it was only upon creation that these attributes manifested themselves: His Hearing upon the heard, His Seeing upon the seen, and His Omnipotence over the physical world.’

 

I asked, ‘Then, Allah was not a Speaker?’

 

He (a.s.) replied, ‘Verily, speech is an accidental [muhdathah] attribute and not sempiternal [azaliyyah]. Allah, the Mighty and High, existed when no speakers existed.”

 

Sheik Saduq explain about one long tradition in page 447 and says: The purpose of this tradition is to prove that the words of the Quran have not been created or made-up. It does not mean that the Quran is not accidental (muhdath), because he who (as) said: "accidental, not created, and not sempiternal with Allah, may His Remembrance be Exalted"

Edited February 21, 2014 by Dhulfikar

[catman]

So why didn't Allah reveal himself to any other parts of the world? Why did they have different Deities and were completely unaware of Allah?

[Ethics]

So why didn't Allah reveal himself to any other parts of the world? Why did they have different Deities and were completely unaware of Allah?

God cant reveal himself. However Allah in the holy Quran states:

"For We assuredly sent amongst every People an apostle, (with the Command), "Serve God, and eschew Evil": of the People were some whom God guided, and some on whom error became inevitably (established). So travel through the earth, and see what was the end of those who denied (the Truth). (The Noble Quran, 16:36)"

"To every people (was sent) an apostle: when their apostle comes (before them), the matter will be judged between them with justice, and they will not be wronged. (The Noble Quran, 10:47)"

"We sent not an apostle except (to teach) in the language of his (own) people, in order to make (things) clear to them. (The Noble Quran, 14:4)"

"Verily We have sent thee in truth, as a bearer of glad tidings, and as a warner: and there never was a people, without a warner having lived among them (in the past). (The Noble Quran, 35:24)"

"We did send apostles before thee, and appointed for them wives and children: and it was never the part of an apostle to bring a sign except as God permitted (or commanded). For each period is a Book (revealed). (The Noble Quran, 13:38)"

So there has no been a place where a prophet has not preached oneness of God. The point is clearly they rejected Allah. Allah states truth is clear from error. These people rejected the truth and stuck to their evil.

Edited February 22, 2014 by PureEthics

[Ruq]

I know you made it bold, however you used the term incorrectly, because reality is an attribute that manifests an objects existence. If something has the attribute of reality then by definition it is real. So to say the reality of the Qur'an is eternal,  you are saying the Qur'an is eternal.

 

This definition of 'reality' isnt an Islamic one though is it? the etymology of the English word has 'things' ascribed to it ('res'), but the Arabic is 'haqiqa', the root word being 'haqq' and is used as an attribute of Allah. The word for 'thing' ('shay') comes from a meaning of that which is willed into existence. So the Arabic word for 'reality' transcends the word for 'things', as it is related to the devine.

[eThErEaL]

I know you made it bold, however you used the term incorrectly, because reality is an attribute that manifests an objects existence. If something has the attribute of reality then by definition it is real. So to say the reality of the Qur'an is eternal,  you are saying the Qur'an is eternal.

All I am saying is that the Quran is God's Self-Expression. The Quran manifests God (who is Eternal). There is nothing to philosophize abut it. Just take it for it is.

[Ibn-Ahmed Aliyy Herz]

This definition of 'reality' isnt an Islamic one though is it? the etymology of the English word has 'things' ascribed to it ('res'), but the Arabic is 'haqiqa', the root word being 'haqq' and is used as an attribute of Allah. The word for 'thing' ('shay') comes from a meaning of that which is willed into existence. So the Arabic word for 'reality' transcends the word for 'things', as it is related to the devine.

 

I don't see how this ties into the Qur'an being eternal? When we say reality in Arabic we can say haqiqa or waaqi3, if we say that the Qur'an has the attribute of  حقيقة

 then it is حقيقي.  

 

Also Allah SWT is a "shay".

 

 

 

All I am saying is that the Quran is God's Self-Expression. The Quran manifests God (who is Eternal). There is nothing to philosophize abut it. Just take it for it is. 

 

 

The Qur'an manifests God?

 

Allah SWT essence is not manifested in his creation and it is completely cut off and irrelevant to his creation.

 

Let's take the attribute of mercy for example, if you wish to say that the Qur'an is a representation/cause of god's mercy then yes, however if you wish to say that the Qur'an is an actual manifestation of the essence of his mercy then this is wrong.

[wonderer]

thought: breakfast.... 

[Ruq]

 

I don't see how this ties into the Qur'an being eternal? When we say reality in Arabic we can say haqiqa or waaqi3, if we say that the Qur'an has the attribute of  حقيقة

 then it is حقيقي.  

 

Also Allah SWT is a "shay".

 

 

 

 

Allah is not a 'thing'.

[Ibn-Ahmed Aliyy Herz]

Allah is not a 'thing'.

 

 

There is a whole chapter in al-kafi explaining that Allah swt is a "shay" unlike other "ishya2" ( things).

 

- محمد بن أبي عبد الله، عن محمد بن إسماعيل (3)، عن الحسين بن الحسن، عن بكر بن صالح، عن الحسين بن سعيد (4) قال: سئل أبو جعفر الثاني عليه السلام: يجوز أن يقال لله: إنه شئ؟ قال: نعم، يخرجه من الحدين: حد التعطيل وحد التشبيه

 

Hussayn Ibn saeed said, "I asked abu jafar ath-thaani(as), is it permissible for one to say that Allah is a thing"? The Imam replied, "yes, if two limits are removed from him, the limit of hindrance and the limit of similitude to him".

Dear sister Ruq, please don't let the word "shay" make you think something that isn't true, when we say that Allah is a shay we are simple saying that Allah is "something", he is "present and tangible", that  is all.

[Abu Nur]

Qur'an verse 6:19 refer Allah (SWT) as Thing:

Qul ayyu shay-in akbaru shahadatanquli Allahu shaheedun baynee wabaynakum waoohiyailayya hatha alqur-anu li-onthirakum bihiwaman balagha a-innakum latashhadoona anna maAAa Allahi alihatanokhra qul la ashhadu qul innama huwa ilahunwahidun wa-innanee baree-on mimma tushrikoon

 

Say, "What thing is greatest in testimony?" Say, " Allah is witness between me and you. And this Qur'an was revealed to me that I may warn you thereby and whomever it reaches. Do you [truly] testify that with Allah there are other deities?" Say, "I will not testify [with you]." Say, "Indeed, He is but one God, and indeed, I am free of what you associate [with Him]."

Abu al-Hasan al-Rida (as) said of this verse: He is a Thing unlike other things, as negating that He is a Thing would negate Him and deny Him.
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Others hadiths:

An atheist asked Abu 'Abd Allah as-Sadiq (as) " What is He?" He (as) replied;

"He is a Thing unlike other things. If you consider the meaning of "thing", He is indeed a Thing by definition [al-shay'iyyah], with the exception that He has neither substance nor shape.

Also in another hadith;

I heard Abu 'Abd Allah al-Sadiq (as) say: "Verily, Allah, the Blessed and Exalted, is free from His Creation, and His Creation is free from Him. Whatever can be defined by the word 'thing' is a creation other than Almighty Allah. Exalted is He who is beyond compare.


 

[eThErEaL]

The Qur'an manifests God?

Yes. Why do you find this surprising? If the Quran is not God's Self-expression or Self-Manifestation, then what is the Quran? What is the purpose of speech but to show and express the self of the speaker? So, is God not the Speaker with regards the Quran? Is it not His Speech?

Allah SWT essence is not manifested in his creation and it is completely cut off and irrelevant to his creation.

His Essence is His Self. and He manifests Himself (His Essence). He doesn't manifest something other than Himself. This is just common sense. The creation is a manifestation of His Essence. What dos the creation show if it doesn't show God?

Let's take the attribute of mercy for example, if you wish to say that the Qur'an is a representation/cause of god's mercy then yes, however if you wish to say that the Qur'an is an actual manifestation of the essence of his mercy then this is wrong.

The Quran itself is His mercy and is His guidance (the Quran doesn't "represent" or "cause" His mercy, astaghfirullah). Nothing causes Those qualities except God because all these qualities are found in God. And mercy and guidance (which is the Quran: huda wa rahma lil muhsineen) show The One who is Merciful and the One who Guides. An the One who is Merciful and the One who Guides is but God Himself, not other than God.

The creation is the way God appears to us. The Quran is the way God appears to us. God appears to us through this and that creation, through this and that verse and name. Creation is nothing but the appearance of The One and only God (God alone and nothing other than God). This is tawhid, this is the principle of unity. That the many manifests nothing but the One. That "wherever you look there is the Face of thy Lord".

Edited February 26, 2014 by eThErEaL

[Ali Musaaa :)]

Like the Bible all these prophets are all in the same region. God/Allah decided that only the Middle East was worthy of his attention. I find it incredibly hard to believe that the Quran and the Bible can reveal the secrets to the creation of man but nothing is mentioned of the outside world.

 

You are mistaken. The Qur'ān clearly states all nations were sent guides and warners (i.e.., prophets). It was just the case that many of the Prophets were Jewish prophets sent to the Children of Israel and they (this group of believers) were Middle Eastern. The Qur'an reports the accounts and narratives of many of the Children of Israel's events in their history because, like Muslims, they were a community God has chose to guide the people of that region through and subsequently sent prophets to them. They persistently disobeyed God and killed many prophets. The Qur'an reminds us, as Muslims, of their errors in order for us not to make the same mistakes and fall into disobedience to God.  

 

Additionally, what is now called: the Middle East, was the centre of civilisation for many groups of people. Its only logical to assume God would send prophets to this region as well (as we already have established all nations at one point in time received a Warner).

Allah is not a 'thing'.

 

Ibn Ahmed is right. Perhaps the following will be of benefit:

 

Muhammad b. Ya`qub from `Ali b. Ibrahim from Muhammad b. `Isa from `Abd ar-Rahman b. Abi Najran.

 

 

He said: I asked Abu Ja`far [imam al-Baqir] علﯾﻳﮫﻪ اﺍلسلامﻡ about monotheism (tawhid), so I said: Can I think of Him as a thing? So he said: Yes, [but a thing that is] not understood and not defined within limits. Whatever subject dwells out of your imagination regarding Him is different from Him. No thing resembles Him, and imaginations cannot attain Him. How could imaginations attain Him when He is different from what can be understood, and different from what is perceived in one’s thoughts?! He can be thought of a thing that is not understood and not defined.

(al-Kafi, Volume 1, hadith 217) (sahih)

[Ethics]

 

You are mistaken. The Qur'ān clearly states all nations were sent guides and warners (i.e.., prophets). It was just the case that many of the Prophets were Jewish prophets sent to the Children of Israel and they (this group of believers) were Middle Eastern. The Qur'an reports the accounts and narratives of many of the Children of Israel's events in their history because, like Muslims, they were a community God has chose to guide the people of that region through and subsequently sent prophets to them. They persistently disobeyed God and killed many prophets. The Qur'an reminds us, as Muslims, of their errors in order for us not to make the same mistakes and fall into disobedience to God.  

 

Additionally, what is now called: the Middle East, was the centre of civilisation for many groups of people. Its only logical to assume God would send prophets to this region as well (as we already have established all nations at one point in time received a Warner).

 

Ibn Ahmed is right. Perhaps the following will be of benefit:

 

Muhammad b. Ya`qub from `Ali b. Ibrahim from Muhammad b. `Isa from `Abd ar-Rahman b. Abi Najran.

 

 

He said: I asked Abu Ja`far [imam al-Baqir] علﯾﻳﮫﻪ اﺍلسلامﻡ about monotheism (tawhid), so I said: Can I think of Him as a thing? So he said: Yes, [but a thing that is] not understood and not defined within limits. Whatever subject dwells out of your imagination regarding Him is different from Him. No thing resembles Him, and imaginations cannot attain Him. How could imaginations attain Him when He is different from what can be understood, and different from what is perceived in one’s thoughts?! He can be thought of a thing that is not understood and not defined.

(al-Kafi, Volume 1, hadith 217) (sahih)

 

 

So I believe what the hadith you and Ahmed posted basically means in terms of limited human understanding/communication. Obviously Allah isnt a thing, but we still refer to Him as "He" or "Him" or "Absolute being". But even when we do, we dont put limitations on Him. Its just a matter of human communications and limited understandings. Correct me if Im wrong.

 

(wasalam)

[narsis]

Bismillah.

 

Salaamun Alaykum dear friend,

 

Firstly you have to take this point into the consideration that the Qur’an is not only for one region, because there are many verses their addressees are all people around the world like “يا أَيُّهَا النَّاس” (O mankind!) [2:21 & 168, 4:170 & 174, 7:158, 10:23 & 57 & 104 & 108, 22:1 & 5 & 49 & 73, 31:33, 35:3 & 5 & 15, 83:6, 84:6], so the addressee of Allah’s word is the whole world.

 

Secondly, the Qur’an is a book to show the right path to all human kinds, whether in Asia or Europe or any other part of the world. Thus its program for perfection is applicable to all situations, all humanity and all times and places.

 

Best Duas.

 

Narsis.

[Ibn-Ahmed Aliyy Herz]

Yes. Why do you find this surprising? If the Quran is not God's Self-expression or Self-Manifestation, then what is the Quran? What is the purpose of speech but to show and express the self of the speaker? So, is God not the Speaker with regards the Quran? Is it not His Speech?

His Essence is His Self. and He manifests Himself (His Essence). He doesn't manifest something other than Himself. This is just common sense. The creation is a manifestation of His Essence. What dos the creation show if it doesn't show God?

The Quran itself is His mercy and is His guidance (the Quran doesn't "represent" or "cause" His mercy, astaghfirullah). Nothing causes Those qualities except God because all these qualities are found in God. And mercy and guidance (which is the Quran: huda wa rahma lil muhsineen) show The One who is Merciful and the One who Guides. An the One who is Merciful and the One who Guides is but God Himself, not other than God.

The creation is the way God appears to us. The Quran is the way God appears to us. God appears to us through this and that creation, through this and that verse and name. Creation is nothing but the appearance of The One and only God (God alone and nothing other than God). This is tawhid, this is the principle of unity. That the many manifests nothing but the One. That "wherever you look there is the Face of thy Lord".

 

 

 

The essence of Allah is completely cut off and has no relation to created bodies, this has come down to us via tawatur.

 

Also you seem to be influenced by sufi material so allow me to clarify my position.

 

When I say the Qur'an is a representation of Allah's mercy, you said "astaghfurallah". Either you don't know what the word representation means, or you have some kind of weird Islamic cosmology that you are operating upon.

 

Also Allah is "masabab al asbaab", he causes things and uses the causes of other things as a means of his mercy so this is also clear.

[eThErEaL]

The essence of Allah is completely cut off and has no relation to created bodies, this has come down to us via tawatur.

The Essence of God is so "cut off" from creation that we cannot even say It has no relation with creation. We are therefore left with just utter muteness.

So I am not referring to God in Himself (His Essence) when I talk about the Quran being His Self-expression.

In any case.. Are you denying that God makes Himself known to us by speaking and creating?

[Ibn-Ahmed Aliyy Herz]

If you mean that Allah's swt expresses himself by saying he speaks, then this is fine, but if you mean that he expresses himself literally in that he is expressing his essence(since his essence is himself) then this is impossible since his self/essence is unknowable.

 

We say that Allah originates his speech not by creation but rather by speaking, do you know the difference between these two? 

 

When we say someone spoke, what we mean to say is that this person using his mouth is creating sounds.

 

We say the Qur'an is speech originated, not created, do you know why? What is the difference between speaking and creating when it comes to Allah?

 

The difference is that Allah speech is a reflectional expression of his knowledge that rests in his essence that is completely and utterly cut off from his essence , this is because his speech is originated, and Allah's essence  is eternal (not originated).

 

When Allah creates, he creates an object from nothing, this is the difference and this is why the Imams (as) differed with both ahlul hadith and the mutazila.

 

I hope you understand now.

Edited March 4, 2014 by Ibn-Ahmed Aliyy Herz

[eThErEaL]

If you mean that Allah's swt expresses himself by saying he speaks, then this is fine, but if you mean that he expresses himself literally in that he is expressing his essence(since his essence is himself) then this is impossible since his self/essence is unknowable.

What do you mean by "He speaks"? Who is Speaking? God or other than God? I thought you said God in Himself is cut off from creation.

 

We say that Allah originates his speech not by creation but rather by speaking, do you know the difference between these two? 

 

When we say someone spoke, what we mean to say is that this person using his mouth is creating sounds.

 

We say the Qur'an is speech originated, not created, do you know why? What is the difference between speaking and creating when it comes to Allah?

Even the world is a reflection of His knowledge. In fact the each creature or thing was created by God speaking "when He desires a thing He just says to it 'Be, and it is'". Thre is no real difference between the world out there and the Quran. They are simply different versions of each other. That is why the verses of the Quran, as well as the creatures, are equally called "ayaat". The only difference is that one kind of aya is explicit (since it is written in a conventional language) while the other kind of aya is implicit (written in the form of things and entities, drawn and sculpted..if you will). I hope you understand this now.

 

[Ibn-Ahmed Aliyy Herz]

What do you mean by "He speaks"? Who is Speaking? God or other than God? I thought you said God in Himself is cut off from creation.

 

Even the world is a reflection of His knowledge. In fact the each creature or thing was created by God speaking "when He desires a thing He just says to it 'Be, and it is'". Thre is no real difference between the world out there and the Quran. They are simply different versions of each other. That is why the verses of the Quran, as well as the creatures, are equally called "ayaat". The only difference is that one kind of aya is explicit (since it is written in a conventional language) while the other kind of aya is implicit (written in the form of things and entities, drawn and sculpted..if you will). I hope you understand this now.

 

 

When you put it that way I cannot disagree with you.