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Lordofgemini

A Serious Question!

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Salaam!

I have been using the app called "freedom" for a while now. The purpose of this app us to make the in-app purchases free. Now I am worried if this is counted as stealing. Because I have purchased more then $ 3000 for free.

If this lawful. And if its not then piracy is also unlawful right?

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(Salam)

Well, According to http://www.sistani.org/english/qa/01153/ , if it has a copy right, then it is haram to copy it.

I was thinking what about those torrents, can we still torrent movies and softwares, where someone else already uploaded it for us to download for free. And maybe they paid for it in the first place.

(Wasalam)

Edited by SlaveOfAllah14

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Yes, it is stealing.  Perhaps it is overpriced.  Perhaps the software companies are unjust.  But it is still stealing to knowingly use a software to get things for free that are supposed to be paid.  

 

The question is not "is it stealing" but "is this stealing justified".

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^Stealing would be, if you take something and you can return it. Try to return apps worth $ 3000.

So if you steal a loaf of bread and eat it, it wasn't stealing?

 

You can rationalize it however you like.  If it isn't illegal where you live, have fun with it.  But it is still stealing.  Maybe sometimes some stealing is justified.  If you were a programmer, would you object to people having your work without paying for it?  Some people would, others wouldn't.  

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The user Sami would tell you it is not stealing as the person who created that created the app on something already loaned so there is no stealing unless you steal somebody's cow

My dear baby brother who is grasshopper in the making , ( my kids are older than you btw) .

Let me clarify what I said as you seem to go around SC putting "words in people's mouths ".

 

Under :Islamic definition of stealing ;

the thief must be a real living man/woman e.g.. :John : Smith ( of John , of the family of Smith )

the good stolen must be  a real commodity, e.g.  gold . silver , livestock 

the victim must be a real living man /woman . , once again like above , and must prove he/she owns the good .

 

let's use the example of the app ,

 

 

Who downloaded the app ?

cannot be a real living man/woman , as a real man or woman cannot go into a computer and buy such things .

so an account had to be created using your fiction entity JOHN SMITH , this is not you as defined in the :Quran.

It is your company .

and this company called JOHN SMITH , is not owned by you , because when it was registered with the STATE's birth registry , it became their property .

But the name is leased to you with their rules and conditions . like this SC account.

The commodity is not real , and the owner does not own it , as per :Islamic definitions , as he cannot prove his ownership , as a real man /woman cannot own something in the cyberspace .

And who are the victims ? , other corporations and non-living entities .

the OP mentioned $3000, what is $3000 ?

It has no valve and it's not money as defined in the :Quran,therefore it is not stealing as stated in the :Quran.

And lastly where are the real living witnesses that has witnessed the crime ?

However , you as a fiction entity has entered into contracts with other parties .

this is covered under :Islamic laws of business contracts and exchange.

you must honour it provided there is no conditions that go against :Islam.

When you break a business agreement , the laws of dealing with this is not the same as stealing in the :Quran.

eg. if you steal , and there are witnesses , the penalty is severe  .

if you break a business contract than the punishment is almost negligible , and is what you have agreed upon as compensation.

 

The laws of the corporate STATE , is not the same as the laws of the :Quran.

one deals with dead people , and the other the living .

 

I hoped I have further clarified my position.

with brotherly love and :Duas to you and to your parents .

 

ws

Edited by :Sami II

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My dear baby brother who is grasshopper in the making , ( my kids are older than you btw) .

Let me clarify what I said as you seem to go around SC putting "words in people's mouths ".

 

Under :Islamic definition of stealing ;

the thief must be a real living man/woman e.g.. :John : Smith ( of John , of the family of Smith )

the good stolen must be  a real commodity, e.g.  gold . silver , livestock 

the victim must be a real living man /woman . , once again like above , and must prove he/she owns the good .

 

let's use the example of the app ,

 

 

Who downloaded the app ?

cannot be a real living man/woman , as a real man or woman cannot go into a computer and buy such things .

so an account had to be created using your fiction entity JOHN SMITH , this is not you as defined in the :Quran.

It is your company .

and this company called JOHN SMITH , is not owned by you , because when it was registered with the STATE's birth registry , it became their property .

But the name is leased to you with their rules and conditions . like this SC account.

The commodity is not real , and the owner does not own it , as per :Islamic definitions , as he cannot prove his ownership , as a real man /woman cannot own something in the cyberspace .

And who are the victims ? , other corporations and non-living entities .

the OP mentioned $3000, what is $3000 ?

It has no valve and it's not money as defined in the :Quran,therefore it is not stealing as stated in the :Quran.

And lastly where are the real living witnesses that has witnessed the crime ?

However , you as a fiction entity has entered into contracts with other parties .

this is covered under :Islamic laws of business contracts and exchange.

you must honour it provided there is no conditions that go against :Islam.

When you break a business agreement , the laws of dealing with this is not the same as stealing in the :Quran.

eg. if you steal , and there are witnesses , the penalty is severe  .

if you break a business contract than the punishment is almost negligible , and is what you have agreed upon as compensation.

 

The laws of the corporate STATE , is not the same as the laws of the :Quran.

one deals with dead people , and the other the living .

 

I hoped I have further clarified my position.

with brotherly love and :Duas to you and to your parents .

 

ws

I never said that that is not true. It's something I didn't think about that actually does make sense. 

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so if someone hack into your bank account and emptied it all it's not stealing.

 

very nice definition, i wonder where did you get it from?!

how can a living being enter cyber space and take something that's not there ?

where are the living witnesses ?

and what did he steal ?

Money or just digits ?

as there's  no money is existence than , it must be some digits on a screen .

and if he did steal them where are they now?

in another account held by a bank .

did you know any money held by the bank belongs to the bank and not you , though it's in your name .

So who's stealing what ?

the fiat money that is also used does not belong to you therefore , how can it be stolen if it's not yours.

( did you know in Australia it is illegal for an individual to carry $250 k + in cash with him/her, even though it is legally acquired and belong to him/her , because it's not his/her at the end of the day  )

Br omer2708, has got it right so far , as we are discussing this from an :Islamic perspective .

Edited by :Sami II

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