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Hamas/Qassam keep dreaming, your little Khilafa of Omar and Abubakar will never be established in Syria...... You proven that the enemy--Israel is way better than you backstabbers. You are worse than political-prostitutes who does not even deserve any sympathy-----at all. And now it is Hizbullah and Shias who kill women and children and rape women in the name of Ali and Hussain?

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Geneva Talks must consign Assad regime to dustbin of history

 

By Khalid Amayreh - With Syria virtually completely destroyed by its own regime, and with 150,000 -200,000 Syrians killed, hundreds of thousands injured and maimed  and many millions displaced, the murderous gang of Bashar el-Assad has finally accepted to hold talks with the opposition in an effort to reach a peaceful solution.

 

However, it is highly unlikely that there is any modicum of sincerity or good-will behind the Syrian regime's consent to attend the Geneva talks, slated to take place Wednesday.

 

In the final analysis, a regime that destroys its own country, murders its own citizens and rapes its own women can't be expected to suddenly undergo an awakening of conscience.

 

The more likely prospect is that this sectarian regime will go all the way to the abyss in order to prolong the life span of its grip on power in Syria.

 

The Nusseiri sect, an offshoot of Shiism, accounts for less than 8% of Syria's population.

 

However, since 1963, that sect has been in tight control of the Syrian state, including the army, especially the elite forces, air-force, the security forces, the economy and every conceivable center of power.

 

The virtually total stranglehold was often justified by the confrontation with Israel. However, a more honest explanation of this insidious state of affair is the relentless overwhelming desire to consolidate the sectarian Nusseiri control, using the confrontation with Israel as a sort of red herring.

 

Hence, it is probably safe to conclude that the Geneva conference will die a natural death, like that of a still child, either before birth, or upon birth or soon after birth.

 

Indeed, if the survival of the murderous regime continues to be the ultimate strategy and paramount goal of Assad and his Iranian and Russian allies, then there can be no hope for a breakthrough in Geneva.

 

The survival of the Assad regime after all this monumental bloodshed and pornographic destruction would be a huge affront to human morality and humanity itself.

 

We all know that the proper place for Bashar el-Assad is before a firing squad. But perfect justice doesn't belong to this world. It is a world that allows its Assads, Hitlers and Sharons, even its Sisis and Mubaraks to escape unpunished for their crimes against their own and other peoples.  This is really sad. It is also an expression of the moral imbalance and inequity plaguing our world. Only God knows where this moral imbalance and inequity will lead us. Certainly, it won't take us to salvation but to annihilation- all thanks to our greed, rapacity, depravity and evil-mindedness.

 

We all hope and pray that Syrians could reach a common-ground in order to save whatever can be saved of their nation and country.

 

However, the worst possible outcome of the Geneva conference would be the survival of the Assad regime.

 

Such an outcome would vindicate all the genocidal crimes the Assad regime and its equally criminal allies have committed against the Syrian people.

 

Moreover, the survival of the regime would enable the far-from-innocent Nusseiri sect to reconsolidate itself in power and tighten its sinister grip on Syria for a hundred years to come. That would be Syria's ultimate nightmare.

 

We are not against the Nusseiri sect per se, e.g. because of its religion, however heretical it may be. No one can play God in this world and all citizens must be treated equally under a modern civil state.

 

But we cannot escape the fact that this sect has effectively been at the forefront of Assad's genocidal blitz against the Syrian people.

 

And by readily accepting this nefarious role, the Nusseiri sect effectively put itself on a collision course with the rest of the Syrian people. We would be dishonest if we ignored or overlooked this fact.

 

I know it is politically incorrect to invoke sectarian issues. However, we all know that the sectarian dimension was conspicuous from the very inception in the Syrian quagmire.

 

And we can't pretend that sectarianism is not at the heart of the conflict, especially with the presence in Syria of tens of thousands of Hizbullah, Iraqi Shiite and Iranian fighters who are sent to Syria to murder Syrian children and rape Syrian women in the name of Hussein, Ali and Zaynab.

 

This evil is absolutely and totally unacceptable. It must be stopped.

 

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Al Afasy.. Iran still supports these Takfiris.. And no they are Takfiris because they support a Takfiris war in the region backed by Saudi and Qatar. For ur info I was calling them Takfiris since 2008 on this forum and lost any hope in such groups..

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Palestinian groups change political agenda all the time. Same thing happened with PLO during the cold war era. Would the right thing be to bomb them out of existence? No. We don't care about Hamas or any other Takfiri. We care about the poor children and other civilians who are being opressed by the Zionists and the Takfiris.

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Al Afasy.. Iran still supports these Takfiris.. And no they are Takfiris because they support a Takfiris war in the region backed by Saudi and Qatar. For ur info I was calling them Takfiris since 2008 on this forum and lost any hope in such groups..

If handled by incompetent Iranian generals, they would forge ties again with the Hams. If they are any smarter, they have the carrot and the stick to erect new players who play nicely.

 

One thing for sure, Shia learned (or not) by their blood to never trust Sunni cult of Takfiris; Takfiri terrorists used Hizb methods learned by Hamas in Qusayr and other places.

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Palestinian groups change political agenda all the time. Same thing happened with PLO during the cold war era. Would the right thing be to bomb them out of existence? No. We don't care about Hamas or any other Takfiri. We care about the poor children and other civilians who are being opressed by the Zionists and the Takfiris.

 

Right, we care about ALL children, from Yemen to Bahrain to Palestine/Syria.. We did not discuss oppressed children here!!

I don't know why many of you act so surprised. Hamas belong the Muslim Brotherhood since it was first established. Tadaaa..

 

Nobody is suprised to know if Hamas is Ikhwan or not.. but the official page of Qassam-brigades publishes trash, saying that Shia-Iraqis, Lebanese Hizbullah and Iranian Shias went to Syria for a sectarian war and are killing the Syrian children and raping their women in the name of Hussain, Ali and Zaynab, that is nothing but a HUGE slap to the face of those Shias who still insist that Iran should help these Palestinian movements.

 

There is not a single evidence to suggest that any Shia from any of the countries mentioned ever killed a Syrian child or raped a Syrian woman... on the other hand their Takfiri friends from 52 countries claimed responsibility for thousands of crimes including killing 'Alawite/Shia Children' to beheading-party on cameras, to rape and mass-killing of civilians.

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I think Assad should go. I agree with Hamas.. Don't know how that is backstabbing though

The Assad monarchy has gone on too long in Syria.. It is not needed anymore

People should choose who their leaders are. The Assad regime was too brutal and oppressive.

Any way the only reason Iran supports Hamas is because they are opposed to Israel.. As Iran plays political football with Israel all so often. Iran's allies are disappearing and they need all they can get

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I think Assad should go. I agree with Hamas.. Don't know how that is backstabbing though

The Assad monarchy has gone on too long in Syria.. It is not needed anymore

People should choose who their leaders are. The Assad regime was too brutal and oppressive.

Any way the only reason Iran supports Hamas is because they are opposed to Israel.. As Iran plays political football with Israel all so often. Iran's allies are disappearing and they need all they can get

 

I agree, the monarchy regimes must go. BUT, first we start with Saudi, then Bahrain, Qatar, UAE, Kuwait, Jordan, Oman, and of coure Syria will come next.

Need free and clean elections, people need to choose.

 

We cannot pick on one country and one president only because the west-alqaida alliance do not like them.

 

Also, who the heck is Hamas (an extremist Takfiri movement) to speak of elections and democracy in other countries. They NEVER believe in these terms to begin with. It is a pure Sunni-Islamicst movement who wants to impose Salafi-Sharia on ppl.. and they never allowed the opposition movements to have a say where they rule, in Gaza.

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 that is nothing but a HUGE slap to the face of those Shias who still insist that Iran should help these Palestinian movements.

 

My friend, you follow Ahlul Bayt, and you follow the footsteps of Ahlul Bayt. Didn't Shimr ask for Imam Hussein to lighten the rope around his hands because it was hurting him? And didn't Imam Hussein agree? And didn't Imam Hussein know that he is lightening the rope that is bothering a person who is going to kill him?

 

This is Ahlul Bayt, and the Shia Movement from Iran to Lebanon are followers of Ahlul Bayt. 

Don't get lost in sectarian branches and get angry, in the end those who follow Allah are nothing but victorious. 

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My friend, you follow Ahlul Bayt, and you follow the footsteps of Ahlul Bayt. Didn't Shimr ask for Imam Hussein to lighten the rope around his hands because it was hurting him? And didn't Imam Hussein agree? And didn't Imam Hussein know that he is lightening the rope that is bothering a person who is going to kill him?

 

This is Ahlul Bayt, and the Shia Movement from Iran to Lebanon are followers of Ahlul Bayt. 

Don't get lost in sectarian branches and get angry, in the end those who follow Allah are nothing but victorious. 

 

"And we can't pretend that sectarianism is not at the heart of the conflict, especially with the presence in Syria of tens of thousands of Hizbullah, Iraqi Shiite and Iranian fighters who are sent to Syria to murder Syrian children and rape Syrian women in the name of Hussein, Ali and Zaynab"

 

That's way too far.

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The only one who is vicious and sectarian is you who adamantly and blindly support a vicious tyrant in the face of mountains of evidence simply because it benefits shiite interest to support him. There is no difference between the likes of you and the 'wahaabis' you so hate when they supported Saddam Hussein. You can draw may parallels between Bashar and Saddam, yet its quite perplexing tht you hate one and support the other.

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I agree, the monarchy regimes must go. BUT, first we start with Saudi, then Bahrain, Qatar, UAE, Kuwait, Jordan, Oman, and of coure Syria will come next.

Need free and clean elections, people need to choose.

We cannot pick on one country and one president only because the west-alqaida alliance do not like them.

Also, who the heck is Hamas (an extremist Takfiri movement) to speak of elections and democracy in other countries. They NEVER believe in these terms to begin with. It is a pure Sunni-Islamicst movement who wants to impose Salafi-Sharia on ppl.. and they never allowed the opposition movements to have a say where they rule, in Gaza.

Well we'll just have to wait to see if in any of the other countries if there is enough dislike for the regime to create mass army defections like we saw in Syria.

Or demand and protests like in Syria.

And by the looks of it these regimes seem to be in favour with the people. So I don't see much happening on the horizon. The Arab spring seems to be over all apart from Syria.

Out of all the middle eastern states, Syria was the worse in human and political rights and freedom. So I guess it created more backlash.

Also I believe that Hamas voted in anyway.

The only one who is vicious and sectarian is you who adamantly and blindly support a vicious tyrant in the face of mountains of evidence simply because it benefits shiite interest to support him. There is no difference between the likes of you and the 'wahaabis' you so hate when they supported Saddam Hussein. You can draw may parallels between Bashar and Saddam, yet its quite perplexing tht you hate one and support the other.

You've hit the nail on the head here.

I think it also comes down to nationalism also... A Sunni is more likely to support other Sunnis in a war or political struggle as they have the same identity.

People just fail to examine themselves and their beliefs. Very hypocritical.

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Well we'll just have to wait to see if in any of the other countries if there is enough dislike for the regime to create mass army defections like we saw in Syria.

Or demand and protests like in Syria.

And by the looks of it these regimes seem to be in favour with the people. So I don't see much happening on the horizon. The Arab spring seems to be over all apart from Syria.

Out of all the middle eastern states, Syria was the worse in human and political rights and freedom. So I guess it created more backlash.

Also I believe that Hamas voted in anyway.

You've hit the nail on the head here.

I think it also comes down to nationalism also... A Sunni is more likely to support other Sunnis in a war or political struggle as they have the same identity.

People just fail to examine themselves and their beliefs. Very hypocritical.

 

Yea, since you live in a cave, you do not like to see the protests and regime crimes in Bahrain, Saudi and Yemen... in Bahrain where they have an apartheid state where Shias are banned from going to army, police, or a even becoming school teachers, that is a country you expect ppl to defect? A country who imports Sunnis from South Asia and Africa in order to add to the number of Sunnis and overcome Shia-majority?

 

Too much bluff and one sided BS you throw here... or simply you are an ignorant dude who has no idea of what is happening in other Arab countries.

 

And when we speak of Syria, we are speaking of an 'armed' movement, the terrorist groups who attack and fight... and declared wars... there is no such thing as protests in Syria... we are speaking of fighters being imported from 52 countries.

 

A Chechen has no right to go to Syria with suicide built and bring democracy for the people of Syria... that is you and your masters in the West who describe such an event as protest of the Syrian people.

 

Those terrorists in Syria, locals or foreigners, they have no right to exist. The Syrian army must finish them off.

 

You hit the nail on the head or on the bottom, that is not going to resolve anything... if you call Syrian issues sectarian, then be it... Sunnis play sectarian in 51 countries where they have control, Shias play sectarian in Syria, at least we support them for sectarian reasons to 'defend' ourselves, and the region, against the axis of Salafi-Zionists, while the Sunnis play it sectarian in ALL other countries, including Syria to kiss the boots and benefit the axis of Salafi-Zionists. The so called protesters with suicide builts and guns already declared that they will kill every single Shia, Alawite, Christian, Druze and impose Sharia... YES, we are there to defend ppl based on sectarian reasons and to prevent their massacres.

 

Where by the way they are fighting each other now, calling each other as terrorists, and killing each other.. that is your o called protesters!

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Yea, since you live in a cave, you do not like to see the protests and regime crimes in Bahrain, Saudi and Yemen... in Bahrain where they have an apartheid state where Shias are banned from going to army, police, or a even becoming school teachers, that is a country you expect ppl to defect? A country who imports Sunnis from South Asia and Africa in order to add to the number of Sunnis and overcome Shia-majority?

 

Too much bluff and one sided BS you throw here... or simply you are an ignorant dude who has no idea of what is happening in other Arab countries.

Ah yes I forgot about Baharain.

 

And when we speak of Syria, we are speaking of an 'armed' movement, the terrorist groups who attack and fight... and declared wars... there is no such thing as protests in Syria... we are speaking of fighters being imported from 52 countries.

 

A Chechen has no right to go to Syria with suicide built and bring democracy for the people of Syria... that is you and your masters in the West who describe such an event as protest of the Syrian people.

 

Those terrorists in Syria, locals or foreigners, they have no right to exist. The Syrian army must finish them off.

Only around 5 - 6% of the rebels are forrign. 95% of them are Syrians.

There's more forriegn fighters fighting for Assad then for the rebels.. want to talk about that? Thought not. Do they suddenly have a right to interfier in another country. No.

There was protests in Syria, and legitimate reason to demand change. Syria is a Fascist totaliterian dictatorship. No policial or human freedom. No right to choose their leader. Assad was a terrible leader and his regime with their planned economy made terrible descisions. They wanted change, Assad refused to give it.

The US saw this a mile away so they started sending weapons to the rebels to take over the movement to use the conflict to expand influence in the area, so did their allies Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Anyway the US only supplies FSA (I don't think they even supply weapons anymore). I am sure Saudi Arabia and Qatar only arm the FSA too.

 

You hit the nail on the head or on the bottom, that is not going to resolve anything... if you call Syrian issues sectarian, then be it... Sunnis play sectarian in 51 countries where they have control, Shias play sectarian in Syria, at least we support them for sectarian reasons to 'defend' ourselves, and the region, against the axis of Salafi-Zionists, while the Sunnis play it sectarian in ALL other countries, including Syria to kiss the boots and benefit the axis of Salafi-Zionists. The so called protesters with suicide builts and guns already declared that they will kill every single Shia, Alawite, Christian, Druze and impose Sharia... YES, we are there to defend ppl based on sectarian reasons and to prevent their massacres.

Prove that the rebels have connection to Israel and/or Zionists.

Also I've never heard the main rebel group, the one that has recognition, the FSA nor the SNC call for the death of Christians, Alawis or Druze. In fact there are Druze units in the FSA.

 

Where by the way they are fighting each other now, calling each other as terrorists, and killing each other.. that is your o called protesters!

It started out as a protest as I said. No longer obviously.

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Ah yes I forgot about Baharain.

 

 rebels

 

 

Ah yes? You forogt about Bahrain? And Yemen? And Libya? What happened to these countries? That is enough... I could not read more of your trash talks... you simply excuse yourself... Andthat is good enough that you used the word "rebels" and I don't care what you say about % this and that.. there is no such thing as a protest, was no such thing as protest... TODAY, the rebels themselves calling each others as rebels, Kafir, terrorists and are killing each others in thousands... but somehow you are here to prove it otherwise.

 

btw: I don't think you are a 'Christian' as described in your profile. You are yet another Salafi-follower playing around the forum!

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Ah yes? You forogt about Bahrain? And Yemen? And Libya? What happened to these countries? That is enough... I could not read more of your trash talks... you simply excuse yourself... Andthat is good enough that you used the word "rebels" and I don't care what you say about % this and that.. there is no such thing as a protest, was no such thing as protest... TODAY, the rebels themselves calling each others as rebels, Kafir, terrorists and are killing each others in thousands... but somehow you are here to prove it otherwise.

 

btw: I don't think you are a 'Christian' as described in your profile. You are yet another Salafi-follower playing around the forum!

 

hypersensitive much :P

 

Well what do you want me to call them? They are called "rebels" because they are "rebelling" against the regime... It's English. Regardless of who they are and what they do.

 

I agreed with you, there is no such thing as a protest. However there was such thing as a protest. If you actually read my post.

 

I am not trying to prove that the rebels are "terrorists", or whatever you want to call them. I just do not support either side, as they are both as murderous and oppresive as each over. 5% of them are forrign. 95% are Syrian.

 

7,000 forrign fighters, and there is about 140,000+ rebels overall.

 

10,000 forrign fighters for the regime, most are Shias from Lebanon, Iraq, Iran and Europe.

 

Yes I am a Christian, not a Muslim.

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hypersensitive much :P

 

Well what do you want me to call them? They are called "rebels" because they are "rebelling" against the regime... It's English. Regardless of who they are and what they do.

 

I agreed with you, there is no such thing as a protest. However there was such thing as a protest. If you actually read my post.

 

I am not trying to prove that the rebels are "terrorists", or whatever you want to call them. I just do not support either side, as they are both as murderous and oppresive as each over. 5% of them are forrign. 95% are Syrian.

 

7,000 forrign fighters, and there is about 140,000+ rebels overall.

 

10,000 forrign fighters for the regime, most are Shias from Lebanon, Iraq, Iran and Europe.

 

Yes I am a Christian, not a Muslim.

 

You flipflop too much... and I have no idea what is exactly your point? Where did you get this exact % from? If the UN or west or the Syrian government or even the opposition cannot be that exact then who are you to throw lies here? What is your source?

 

In the last 3 weeks FSA cries day and night, and their leaders beg the west that Nusra and ISIS are taking over the entire rebel areas and they are all foreign terrorists and extremists but somehow you have more info on them?

 

How come 7000 foreigners are beating 140000 locals?

 

7000 fighters are gone from Europe alone, check the reports from French media themselves, from British media, and the other EU, Australia and the US... now you are telling me only 7000 foreigners? What about those from Pakistan, Jordan, Saudi, Yemen, Egypt, Libya, Afg, Turkey, and many more local Sunni countries who we all know that sent wayyyyy moreeee fighters then those who came from the west.

 

And anyhow, they are killers and terrorists, and they call each others now as such... local or not local... they must be finished off.. because they are killers... even if the Syrian government inivtes a million Iranian troops, I will be really happy to prevent these Takfiris from gaining power and killing and beheading civilians on the basis of sect and tribes. The US took NATO and 36 other countries with itself to another foreign country (Afghanistan) in order to fight the terrorists whom it claimed were responsible for terrorist attacks... why the Syrian government has no right to call upon a few thousand Hizb members or Iranian support to defend its own country and its own land, fighting from their own land to fight these animals!!!?!!

 

Every country is calling upon their allies, (same sect, same race US calling upon British, NATO) to fight their wars..... !!!

 

But, nobody called upon 50+ countries terrorists to join them and bring democracy and to succeed in their so called protests for human rights through suicide bombers and human-beheaders.

 

How many suicide-bombers and liver-eater did Hizb send to Bahrain or how many RPGs Iranians sent into Bahrain to help out the protesters there?

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You flipflop too much... and I have no idea what is exactly your point? Where did you get this exact % from? If the UN or west or the Syrian government or even the opposition cannot be that exact then who are you to throw lies here? What is your source?

Various news sources with estimates by either government emplyoees, or other estimates.

 

In the last 3 weeks FSA cries day and night, and their leaders beg the west that Nusra and ISIS are taking over the entire rebel areas and they are all foreign terrorists and extremists but somehow you have more info on them?

 

How come 7000 foreigners are beating 140000 locals?

I haven't a clue what you're on about.

FSA consist of about 5% forrign rebels. If you say they all are forrign, then give me your source.

FSA isn't a terrorist group either. It's not deemed one by any country or the UN.

 

7000 fighters are gone from Europe alone, check the reports from French media themselves, from British media, and the other EU, Australia and the US... now you are telling me only 7000 foreigners? What about those from Pakistan, Jordan, Saudi, Yemen, Egypt, Libya, Afg, Turkey, and many more local Sunni countries who we all know that sent wayyyyy moreeee fighters then those who came from the west.

There's not 7000 from Europe alone.

There's about 2000 - 3000 from Europe. In fact a fair percentage of them are actually going there to fight for Assad.

All together about 7000 - 10000 forrign fighters for rebels, and about 10,000 for the regime.

 

And anyhow, they are killers and terrorists, and they call each others now as such... local or not local... they must be finished off.. because they are killers... even if the Syrian government inivtes a million Iranian troops, I will be really happy to prevent these Takfiris from gaining power and killing and beheading civilians on the basis of sect and tribes. The US took NATO and 36 other countries with itself to another foreign country (Afghanistan) in order to fight the terrorists whom it claimed were responsible for terrorist attacks... why the Syrian government has no right to call upon a few thousand Hizb members or Iranian support to defend its own country and its own land, fighting from their own land to fight these animals!!!?!!

The forrign Shia fighters from Iran, Iraq and Lebanon are going around and killing people based on their religion. What do you think just because they're Shia that they are perfect or something?

So only forrign fighters can come and fight for the regime? Hypocritical.

Not all FSA are terrorists. In fact around 40% of the SAA defected to the FSA. So would this mean that 40% of the SAA was terrorists? lol

 

Every country is calling upon their allies, (same sect, same race US calling upon British, NATO) to fight their wars..... !!!

 

But, nobody called upon 50+ countries terrorists to join them and bring democracy and to succeed in their so called protests for human rights through suicide bombers and human-beheaders.

Not all of them are terrorists. FSA isn't a terrorist group.

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Various news sources with estimates by either government emplyoees, or other estimates.

 

I haven't a clue what you're on about.

FSA consist of about 5% forrign rebels. If you say they all are forrign, then give me your source.

FSA isn't a terrorist group either. It's not deemed one by any country or the UN.

 

There's not 7000 from Europe alone.

There's about 2000 - 3000 from Europe. In fact a fair percentage of them are actually going there to fight for Assad.

All together about 7000 - 10000 forrign fighters for rebels, and about 10,000 for the regime.

 

The forrign Shia fighters from Iran, Iraq and Lebanon are going around and killing people based on their religion. What do you think just because they're Shia that they are perfect or something?

So only forrign fighters can come and fight for the regime? Hypocritical.

Not all FSA are terrorists. In fact around 40% of the SAA defected to the FSA. So would this mean that 40% of the SAA was terrorists? lol

 

Not all of them are terrorists. FSA isn't a terrorist group.

 

Listen dude, why you waste my time and time of yours with x and y 'estimations' and all BS of sources without naming one? Who are you to claim 5% And what do you mean by FSA? There are 10s of groups who are full and made up of foreign fighters.... who do not even call themselves FSA... 5% and 40% and all these numbers you throw here are just made up by (YOU).

 

You say only 20% is terrorists or only 2% is not going to change the fact.. You even do not have a clue about infighting between the rebels in the last 3 weeks where these terrorist dogs kill each other like dogs and declare each other as Kafir? But, is quick to pretent as a 'Christian' and give us here estimation out of your @ss. And you are that ignorant to believe only 2000 came from the west and just 3000 from other countries? Is it the ration that you believe in seriously? First of all it is not 2000, it is way more than that, and secondly, it is natural that those who go for Jihad from local countries around will be 10 x or more than those who go from the west.

 

Here is how the terrorists and headchoppers declare each others as Kafir and are killing one another.

 

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Listen dude, why you waste my time and time of yours with x and y 'estimations' and all BS of sources without naming one? Who are you to claim 5% And what do you mean by FSA? There are 10s of groups who are full and made up of foreign fighters.... who do not even call themselves FSA... 5% and 40% and all these numbers you throw here are just made up by (YOU).

http://m.ceip.org/syriaincrisis/index.cfm?fa=53811

5,000 - 10,000 for rebels

10,000 for regime

unknown for Kurds

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/assad-losing-control-as-10-000-soldiers-desert-syrian-military-1.402625

10,000 in DEC 2011

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/01/13/uk-syria-defections-idUKTRE80C0ST20120113

but you're right, none of it can be verified.

 

You say only 20% is terrorists or only 2% is not going to change the fact.. You even do not have a clue about infighting between the rebels in the last 3 weeks where these terrorist dogs kill each other like dogs and declare each other as Kafir? But, is quick to pretent as a 'Christian' and give us here estimation out of your @ss. And you are that ignorant to believe only 2000 came from the west and just 3000 from other countries? Is it the ration that you believe in seriously? First of all it is not 2000, it is way more than that, and secondly, it is natural that those who go for Jihad from local countries around will be 10 x or more than those who go from the west.

No in Europe its around 2000 to 3000

http://icsr.info/2013/12/icsr-insight-11000-foreign-fighters-syria-steep-rise-among-western-europeans/

it says 11,000 forrign fighters in Syria

source says 400 - 1,900 Europeans.

The idea of the rebels being forrign fighters is just propaganda, and far from the truth.

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"And we can't pretend that sectarianism is not at the heart of the conflict, especially with the presence in Syria of tens of thousands of Hizbullah, Iraqi Shiite and Iranian fighters who are sent to Syria to murder Syrian children and rape Syrian women in the name of Hussein, Ali and Zaynab"

 

That's way too far.

You can elaborate more to make me laugh.

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http://m.ceip.org/syriaincrisis/index.cfm?fa=53811

5,000 - 10,000 for rebels

10,000 for regime

unknown for Kurds

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/assad-losing-control-as-10-000-soldiers-desert-syrian-military-1.402625

10,000 in DEC 2011

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/01/13/uk-syria-defections-idUKTRE80C0ST20120113

but you're right, none of it can be verified.

 

No in Europe its around 2000 to 3000

http://icsr.info/2013/12/icsr-insight-11000-foreign-fighters-syria-steep-rise-among-western-europeans/

it says 11,000 forrign fighters in Syria

source says 400 - 1,900 Europeans.

The idea of the rebels being forrign fighters is just propaganda, and far from the truth.

 

So you agree on 11,000? You proved yourself WRONG from your own western media who backs the rebel-terrorists... there is no such thing as 5% to begin with. President Assad also said around 80,000 foreign fighters... I am not going to believe western media as you outlined which also overcomes your so called 5% or 7000 figures... and I am not going to say President Assad is giving a right figure.. but any sane person who believes that around 3000 foreigners went from Europe alone, that person will know exactly that the number of foreigners going from Lebanon, Libya, Egypt, Jordan, Turkey, Saudi, Tunisia, Turkey, Chechnya, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and other Arab and Muslim countries will be 10 times more... that is natural, that is the possibility...

 

Anjem Choudary: Secondly, of course, as Muslims, we must be very proud of our own brothers, when they stand and are willing to give their lives to defend their own fellow Muslim brothers and sisters and to defend their honor. They say there are maybe 200 or 300 [foreign fighters in Syria]. I believe that the figures are much bigger than this. They are concerned about the many people – in fact, really, in their thousands – who are traveling from Britain and Europe to help their brothers overseas. This is unstoppable.

Reporter: Sheik Omar Bakri says that his movement has been sending mujahideen to various parts of the world.

Omar Bakri: We have supported, and we continue to support, the Islamic nation, by sending aid to Muslims, wherever they may be. We have sent young men to Kashmir, to Bosnia, to Chechnya, to East Turkestan, to Somalia, and even to Palestine.

Reporter: Bakri says that four Britons carried out suicide operations in Syria a week ago, and that he and Choudary vet people volunteering to join the Jihad in Syria, and then, the volunteers are sent to Turkey, and from there to Syria. [...]

Full video

 

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It is much more a matter of crying rather than laughing, considering how you think we are supposed to support the people who claim we rape in the name of Ahlulbayt (as).

Shimr cut off the head of our Imam Hussein, what more do you want? And I told you what Imam Hussein did earlier before years than the incident of Ashoura in Karbala.

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^It is very funny how easily we use the stories of Imams for our own political views.

 

In that sense then Iran/Shias should help the government of Israel? Because that is just another Shimr.

 

The story of Shimr, an individual has nothing to do with helping Takfiri organizations who we know later will massacre Shias... Imam Ali a.s. also wanted to feed his murderer... Yea, if an individual becomes a prisoner of Shias or such incidents happen then we can go by that... we need to be kind in times where the person is totally under control because that is what Islam suggests.

 

But not siding and teaming up with groups of wrong doers who are hurting us and others..... Why Imam Hussain a.s. did not team up with Yazeed/Shimr party and did not accept him as caliph? And instead fought against them?

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^It is very funny how easily we use the stories of Imams for our own political views.

 

Its funny that I wonder why would you listen to majlis in Ashoura and listen to Hadiths? Is it to cry and know the stories like a parrot or to learn from them?

 

And that israel and Shimr, didn't work out with you, give an example about Khaybar, when you want to talk about israel :)

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^Nah, still you don't make any sense...

 

I usually don't cry or beat myself during Ashura, and I never support an oppressor... being kind and showing mercy to a criminal is something else and to support a criminal group financially and politically is something else. Imam Hussain never helped or wanted to aid a Shimr movement. We could be nice to ppl like Shimr when they surrender, not allies. Being friends with Shimr-like folks will only hurt ISLAM as a whole. That is where you fail to understand and without any logical input you try to misuse the hadiths and Imams and Ahlulbait a.s. And I say please don't do that just only because somehow it suits your ideas for backing up the Takfiri groups.

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^Nah, still you don't make any sense...

 

I usually don't cry or beat myself during Ashura, and I never support an oppressor... being kind and showing mercy to a criminal is something else and to support a criminal group financially and politically is something else. Imam Hussain never helped or wanted to aid a Shimr movement. We could be nice to ppl like Shimr when they surrender, not allies. Being friends with Shimr-like folks will only hurt ISLAM as a whole. That is where you fail to understand and without any logical input you try to misuse the hadiths and Imams and Ahlulbait a.s. And I say please don't do that just only because somehow it suits your ideas for backing up the Takfiri groups.

 

Ok let me simplify this for everybody.

 

Imam Ali NEVER supported financially or with other resources the active Kharjiite movement (modern day salafis). Hence Iran does not support Wahabiya movements.

 

Imam Ali NEVER killed any Kharji in an individual level till he became an enemy combatant. Kufa was full of Kharjis who used to routinely ridicule and question Imam Ali during khutba, but he never sentenced anybody to death prior to committing the crime. Hence Wahabi among Sunni Baluchs live in peace in Iran.

 

Imam Ali attempted to safe the life of encircled Usman by sending Imam Hassan and Imam Hussain to his house. Hence Iran sends help to protect the encircled oppressed Kharjis who happen to be humans too.

 

As long as Kharjis of Palestine remain oppressed, Iran has every Islamic obligation to protect them through resources. Not to the leadership but to the common people, because they are the victims of external oppression.

 

Now once these Kharjis become enemy combatant like in Syria and Lebanon, they need to be crushed in their own rat holes. Iran is doing that part too.

 

So I guess, Iranian leadership is trying to do what Imam Ali (as) did.

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Wahabism is not Islam it's categorized as "Terror Cult" and they use people until there useful in Somalia with Abu Mansour than Hezbullah. I'm not suprised at all about Hamas doing this but this is not new news this has been going on from a early point of the war. They don't really Defend Palestine PFLP and PLO are the real Mujahids of Palestine. PFLP_flag.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/Emblem_of_the_Palestine_Liberation_Army.svg

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