Fake Hadith For Promoting Tatbir

[tabarsir]

Question:

Salaam, Is thia Narration authentic or even present in Behar al Anwar Or Some Narration like this? " O Nouman, Malaika (Angels) every year on 10th Moharram hit sword on their naked back to mourn my grandfather Imam Hussain (as) " ~ Imam Ali Reza (AS). [Ref : bihaar ul anwar Volume : 104, page : 223]

 

 

Answer:

It is not authentic and we did not find it in authentic sources.

 

 

-Answered by the office of Ayatollah Makarem Shirazi

 

 

 

[IbnSohan]

Ahsant, may Allah count this thread in your good deeds. It would be great if you can post pic of the answer in the marjie handwriting.

Edited January 12, 2014 by IbnSohan

[Ibn al-Hussain]

(salam)

LOL wow...

 

Wassalam

[Haydar Husayn]

I remember someone posting this on ShiaChat, claiming he got it from a 'reliable' source.

Someone who thinks there is any chance in hell of this being correct might be suffering from too much blood loss to the head...

Edited October 23, 2014 by Haydar Husayn

[Ethics]

loool

Edited January 12, 2014 by PureEthics

[tabarsir]

Ahsant, may Allah count this thread in your good deeds. It would be great if you can post pic of the answer in the marjie handwriting.

 

I had recently asked it on makarem.ir... here is their mail.

 

 

 

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Salaam, Is thia Narration authentic or even present in Behar al Anwar Or Some Narration like this? " O Nouman, Malaika (Angels) every year on 10th Moharram hit sword on their naked back to mourn my grandfather Imam Hussain (as) " ~ Imam Ali Reza (AS). [Ref : bihaar ul anwar Volume : 104, page : 223]

[Al-Englisi]

Bismillah

 

That volume in Bihaar is not even a collection of hadith, rather it is dedicated to subjects concerning Shiite scholars, their lives and works, their chain of narrators (turuq) and other related topics?

[Robin Hood]

We now have tatbir-worship...

Edited January 12, 2014 by Robin Hood

[Nima]

I remember someone posting this on ShiaChat, claiming he got it from a 'reliable' source.

Someone who thinks there is any chance in hell of his being correct might be suffering from too much blood loss to the head...

It is amazing how far those who promote "qama Zani" will go.

 

They even use this hadiths  justify their (bidah) actions

 

mam al-Sadiq aid:

«Read Ayatul-Kursi and do the 'hijama' (bloodletting) on any day you wish and give sadaqa.»

- Wasa'el al-Shi'a, av Sheikh al-Horr al-'Amili vol. 17 p. 112

- al-Kafi, av Sheikh al-Kulaini  vol. 8, p. 273

Imam al-Sadiq said:

«If you wanted to do the 'hijama' and spoiling the blood out of your cupping place then say before the blood is spoiled: "In the Name of Allah the Most Merciful the Most Beneficent, I seek refuge in Allah the Exalted for this 'hijama' of mine from having the eye in blood, and from all evil".»

- Wasa'el al-Shi'a, av Sheikh al-Horr al-'Amili vol. 17 p. 113

- Ma'ani al-Akhbar, av Sheikh al-Sadouq p. 172

Imam al-Baqir said:

«The Prophet - may blessings be upon him and his family - did the 'hijama' in his head and between his shoulders and in his scruff of his neck. He called the first one "Al-Nafi'a" (the useful), the second one "Al-Mughithe" (the helpful), and the third one "Al-Munqidhe" (the savior).

- Wasa'el al-Shi'a, av Sheikh al-Horr al-'Amili vol. 17 p. 113

- Ma'ani al-Akhbar, av Sheikh al-Sadouq p. 247

Imam al-Sadiq said:

«The 'hijama' on the head is of the span of the nose's side and the space between the thumbnail and the forefinger (i.e. ⅓ or ¼ of the head) on between the brows. The Messenger of Allah (saw) called it "Al-Munqidhe" (the savior).» He said: «And in another hadith he said: "The Messenger of Allah (saw) did the 'hijama' on his head and called it "Al-Munqidhe" (the savior) or "Al-Mughithe" (the helpful).»

- Wasa'el al-Shi'a, av Sheikh al-Horr al-'Amili vol. 17 p. 114

- Ma'ani al-Akhbar, av Sheikh al-Sadouq p. 247

Abu Abdullah  said that the Messenger of Allah (saw) in his journey on the Night of Mi'raaj, he said: «Then we came to the seventh heaven, where I didn't come across a single angel who did not say to me: "O Mohammad, do the 'hijama' and enjoin it on your nation."»

- Tafseer al-Qommi vol. 2 p. 9, the Mi'raaj of the Messenger of Allah (saw), Surat al-Israa' (Quran's 17th chapter)

 

people try to justify tatbeer by using hijamah (used for medicinal purposes.)

 

http://www.revivingalislam.com/2010/09/al-hijaamah-cuppingbloodletting.html

 

 

It is pure Qiyaas (analogical reasoning)

 

From Zurārah bin A`yan said, Abū Ja`far Muhammad bin `Alī (عليه السلام) said to me: “O Zurārah, beware of the people who use qiyās in religion. For verily, they have abandoned the knowledge which they had been assigned and burdened themselves with that which is similar to it. They interpret (ta’wil) traditions and lie upon Allāh (عَزَّ وَ جَلَّ).As if I see a man from among them being called from the (lit. his) front and he answers from (his) behind, and he is called from (his) behind and he answeres from the (his) front. Certainly, they are lost and confused in the earth and in the religion”

 

rom Al-Rayyaan bin Al-Salt from `Alee bin Moosa Al-RiDaa from his father from his fathers from Ameer Al-Mu’mineen (عليه السلام) said: The Messenger of Allaah (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) said: “Allaah (جل جلاله) said: ‘No one believes in me whoever interprets my words with his own opinions, and no one recognizes me whoever likens me to my creations, and no one is upon my religion whoever employs Qiyaas (analogical reasoning) in my religion’”

 

http://www.revivingalislam.com/2011/02/interpretation-and-opinions-in-islam.html

 

http://www.revivingalislam.com/2011/11/beware-of-people-of-qiyas.html

We now have tatbir-worship...

 

You now, for some  shia muslims (unfortunately), they see tatbir as a "pilar of faith" in Islam. 

 

if one day they  become  convinced that tatbeer is bidah and is  not part of the Prophet's Sunnah (sawa),  do not be surprised that they  consider to even leave Shia Islam ..

Edited January 13, 2014 by Nima

[IbnSohan]

Brother Tabarsir

I respect the way you tackled the problem with high responsibility, Kudos!