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Ahl Al-Bayt In Judeo-Christian Literature

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Great work, brother. I hope Allah (swt) will give you the strength and guidance to continue this.

As you have mentioned, John 1:19-28 mentioned that the Jewish community at the time of Prophet `Isa (as) was waiting for 3 individuals:

1. The Messiah

2. Eliyah

3. The Prophet, which most probably meant the one foretold in Deuteronomy 18:18

It is also mentioned that Prophet Yahya (as) denied his being either one of these.

From both the Gospels and al-Qur'an, we know that "The Messiah" is Prophet `Isa al-Masih (as).

From characteristics mentioned in Deuteronomy 18:18, you have elaborated how it suits Prophet Muhammad (saww).

So, one thing left: showing who "Eliyah" is, which according to Shi`i books, it was a reference to Imam `Ali (as). The challenge in this explanation is the letters and the meaning of the words are completely different: `Ali (`ayn-lam-ya) means "high" while Eliyahu (alef-lamed-yod-he-waw) means "my god is yah". It's interesting if you have an explanation of this.

It would be even better if you can touch the notion of 2 Messiahs in the belief of the Dead Sea Scroll (most probably, Essenes) community. Could this second Messiah mean Imam Mahdi (as) since both Prophet `Isa (as) & Imam Mahdi (as) will return at the end of days?

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The concept of "election" or "istifaa" in bible:

 

 

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)

 

The Orthodox Jewish bible mentions the word Bekhirah
 
11 For when they were not yet born nor had they done anything tov or rah, in order that the etzah (wisdom) of the tochnit Hashem (purposeful and willed plan of G-d Ro 8:28) should stand in terms of bechirah (divine election, selection, choosing),
 
This reminds me of the Zeyara line "كنت نورا في الاصلاب الشامخة و الارحام المطهرة لم تنجسك الجاهلية بانجاسها و لم تلبسك من مدلهمات ثيابها" 

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So the OP used (as) as a substitute when it really should have been (pbuh) ?

 

I try to say (pbuh) for Muhammad (pbuh). I said "(as)" once, when naming a bunch of prophets in a row including the Holy Prophet. What do you want me to do? There is no need to derail the thread when I have sent blessings to the Prophet in all my posts. This entire thread is a blessing to the Prophet...

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I try to say (pbuh) for Muhammad (pbuh). I said "(as)" once, when naming a bunch of prophets in a row including the Holy Prophet. What do you want me to do? There is no need to derail the thread when I have sent blessings to the Prophet in all my posts. This entire thread is a blessing to the Prophet...

No that was not my intention at all, my apologies for the inconvinience. I was just a little confused because I have seen that happen in other posts as well.

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Brother, i was wondering about this Qur'an verse:
 

 

 

"Say, [O Muhammad], 'The Pure Spirit has brought it down from your Lord in truth to make firm those who believe and as guidance and good tidings to the Muslims.'" (16:102)

Here the word "It" does it not mean Qur'an?

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Brother, i was wondering about this Qur'an verse:

 

Here the word "It" does it not mean Qur'an?

 

Yes,. This verse refers to the changes the Quran introduced in the teachings of the previous scriptures because of which the infidels thought that it was a forgery, and asserts that the same holy spirit (Jibra-il) has brought the revelation to the Holy Prophet. - Aqa Mahdi Puya

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Yes,. This verse refers to the changes the Quran introduced in the teachings of the previous scriptures because of which the infidels thought that it was a forgery, and asserts that the same holy spirit (Jibra-il) has brought the revelation to the Holy Prophet. - Aqa Mahdi Puya

 

The Holy Spirit is not Jibreil [as]. It is a creation greater than the Angels and it supports the Hujja of the Time. Refer to the Ahadeeth in post #14.

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The Holy Spirit is not Jibreil [as]. It is a creation greater than the Angels and it supports the Hujja of the Time. Refer to the Ahadeeth in post #14.

 

So your saying Jibreil didnt bring the revelations to Muhammad A.S?

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So your saying Jibreil didnt bring the revelations to Muhammad A.S?

 

No, I am not. Jibreil [as] is the Angel of Revelation. The Holy Spirit is an entirely different creation. Again, refer to the Ahadeeth on post #14.

Edited by Ali Musaaa :)

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No, I am not. Jibreil [as] is the Angel of Revelation. The Holy Spirit is an entirely different creation. Again, refer to the Ahadeeth on post #14.

 

Okay, and Im saying thats fine but clearly the verses in the quran use Holy Spirit in regards to giving revelations to Muhammad A.S Which has to mean, this is not to be taken in context with the hadith because we know Jibreil gave revelations to Muhammad A.S. Therefore, the quranic verse is referring to the angel.

 

Shakir 16:102] Say: The Holy spirit has revealed it from your Lord with the truth, that it may establish those who believe and as a guidance and good news for those who submit.

[Pickthal 16:102] Say: The holy Spirit hath delivered it from thy Lord with truth, that it may confirm (the faith of) those who believe, and as guidance and good tidings for those who have surrendered (to Allah).

[Yusufali 16:102] Say, the Holy Spirit has brought the revelation from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to Muslims.

Edited by PureEthics

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What does the talmud say about the coming of rasulallah (saw) ? I know you mentioned some of the oral tradition, however I have a feeling that it contains a great many verses that points to the messenger (saw). 

 

What were some of the biggest reasons why the jews were in arabia waiting for an arab prophet (as) ? Where in their books can we find their jusification for coming to arabia?

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Just thought to share the link to this book (Arabic) but good one

http://alhawzaonline.com/almaktaba-almakroaa/book/238-aqa'ed/0192-ahlul%20baeet%20fi%20kitab%20muqadas/index.htm

 

May Allah reward you and count this thread among your good deeds. Maybe after you finish it, you can post a clean version in the christianity forum, you might get more criticism from them.

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