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Utah Soften's Anti-Polygamy Laws

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An interesting (and obviously unintented) consequence of the advent of 'gay marriage', and the arguments in favour of it, seems likely to be the legalisation of polygamy. No doubt, many other types of 'marriage' will also soon be allowed, but I suppose it's good that those who follow a divinely-approved form of marriage will at least no longer be persecuted.

 

 

A federal judge's decision to strike down a key part of Utah's ban on polygamy over the weekend came as welcome news to Joe Darger.

 

Darger, a compact man with a beard and a shaved head, calls himself an "independent Mormon fundamentalist." He has three wives and 25 children.

 

"When we got the news, it was really surprising how emotional it all hit us," Darger says. "At first, it was excitement, and then as it settled in, it was just kind of some tears of joy."

 

Darger got the news from his friend Kody Brown, who's seen in the cable TV reality show Sister Wives. Brown and his four wives were the plaintiffs in the lawsuit filed last year challenging Utah's ban on polygamy. It has been illegal in Utah since the state was formed.

 

After federal district Judge Clark Waddoups' decision, Utah still prohibits bigamy — a marriage license can only be issued for one spouse at a time. But the ruling does prevent the state from using "cohabitation" as a basis for prosecution. Previously, authorities could prosecute men and women for living together in what appeared to be a polygamous relationship.

 

Bill Duncan, director of the Marriage Law Foundation and a conservative legal scholar who opposes legalizing polygamy, says the increasing acceptance of same-sex marriage played a role in the decision. One of the precedents cited in Waddoups' ruling was the 2003 Supreme Court decision in Lawrence v. Texas, which legalized same-sex sexual activity across the U.S.

 

"I doubt that the court, for instance, when it ruled that Texas could not make it criminal to engage in private consensual sexual relationships, really had in mind the issue of polygamy," he says. "But, of course, if they write the opinion broadly enough, it will apply to that."

 

 

http://www.npr.org/2013/12/18/255261969/judge-softens-utahs-anti-polygamy-law-to-mixed-reactions

 

 

 

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Polygamy shouldn't be illegal when gay marriage isn't. It's sheer hypocrisy, if people living with multiple spouses are happy that way then why should the government stick their nose in when it's non of their bussiness how consenting adults in love choose to live their life, no one can stop what Allah has made halal.

 
Polygamy isn't my cup of tea, but to each their own!

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Yes, it does cause harm to individuals and societies.

 

From the early sexualisation of girls, increased physical and sexual abuse of women and girls, lower educational levels for women and girls, less equality, increased rates of human trafficking, forces marriage, child brides, decreased civil liberties for women.

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Yes, it does cause harm to individuals and societies.

 

From the early sexualisation of girls, increased physical and sexual abuse of women and girls, lower educational levels for women and girls, less equality, increased rates of human trafficking, forces marriage, child brides, decreased civil liberties for women.

Rather than making assertions, please prove that their is a causal relationship between polygamy and these things.

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It's no surprise.

 

If the courts are consistent, then Polygamy must be legal, and so must polyamory and any other form of "marriage".

 

As a Christian I have no problem with polygamy, the only thing in the scriptures speaking of this is found in the Greek Testament which says that our Elders should be of only one wife, because he would be too busy ministering to the people in order to have more than one wife, in my opinion.

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Actually Polygamy has been shown to be harmful to women and children.

 

Gay marriage isn't.

 

http://www.tfpstudentaction.org/politically-incorrect/homosexuality/10-reasons-why-homosexual-marriage-is-harmful-and-must-be-opposed.html

 

You see that document? That list actually backs up its claims from either the Bible or just plain logic. That page shows why gay marriage is harmful to society. Your inverted claims have no evidence attached to them... Except your own flawed, un-Christian opinions.

 

Yes, it does cause harm to individuals and societies.

 

From the early sexualisation of girls, increased physical and sexual abuse of women and girls, lower educational levels for women and girls, less equality, increased rates of human trafficking, forces marriage, child brides, decreased civil liberties for women.

 

I can write a list too... Wanna see?

 
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milk(fresh and longlife) 
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frozen vegetables 
tomatoes 
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cereal 
crispbread

 

And this, as you can clearly and plainly see, demonstrates why having a welcome mat on your doorstep is harmful to society.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(psst ^. that's exactly what you just did).

Edited by BuggyLemon

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polygamy, or more correctly, polygyny, was never 'outlawed' by the Mormon Church per se.

It is still part of their belief system.

Well, there is more than one Mormon church, but the mainstream LDS church has official banned polygyny, even though everyone knows it still goes on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Manifesto

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Well, there is more than one Mormon church, but the mainstream LDS church has official banned polygyny, even though everyone knows it still goes on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Manifesto

It does not "go on" in the main LDS church anymore. Any person found engaging in polygamy is excommunicated from said church. It is only the fundamentalist groups (break away churches) that practice it. Kody Brown's group is unique in the fact that it isn't a separate church. They consider themselves to be part of the main mormon church, but they aren't. They either are not listed as members at all or they have been excommunicated.

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Well, there is more than one Mormon church, but the mainstream LDS church has official banned polygyny, even though everyone knows it still goes on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Manifesto

 

no, ignore that Second Manifesto.

See here is the problem and this is what GREATLY stumped the two mormons who visited me a few months back.

 

They believe their Church Presidents are Prophets who can speak to God, and have revelation from God.

so, does God contradict himself? Well no ofcourse not.

So why then did previous Church Prophets (Presidents) announce revelation from God that Polygamy is a must?

Then God changed his mind and said no Polygamy is not ok?

 

Plus, the Doctrines and Covenants, Section 132, states Polygamy shall be practiced. As far as I know this has not been changed and the Doctrines and Covenants are binding Doctrine to them.

 

This is why, as you indeed stated, the church split, the others practice it openly (although they are common-law wives - much like what you guys do in the west with more than 1 wife :) ).

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The only reason I am against polygamy is because the numbers of men and women in this world are about equal and I believe every man should be able to find a women and be happy.

If the women flock to the men with the wealth only... Many men would end up alone and sexually fustrated. This would be very harmful to society.

 

Also it seems to stem from a time of arranged marriages and such, I cannot think of a women who would approve of her husband having a second wife...

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