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Anybody have any thoughts after the execution of North Korean, Jang Song-thaek, the uncle and presumed mentor/protector of the leader Kim Jong-un?

 

Thoughts as in, thoughts about what the western media say is the reason behind his execution? What exactly are you asking, be specific. 

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I like how we thought he was going to be better than his father.  We have been proven wrong.

 

What are you talking about? Who is we? What is better?

 

Why should we defend a kafir leader? 

 

How can one be a kafir without being introduced to Islam first?

 

Kuffar are ones who reject the truth. We don't know the extent of Kim Jong-un's knowledge of Islam.

 

And bro Nima, Kim Il-sung (the founder of DPRK) had a rather interesting opinion of Islam. He once said (to Mohsen Rafighdoost): I don't know much about Islam, but from what I had seen, all of the Islamic countries were under the yoke of American puppet rule, and your own country was no exception. But with the Islamic revolution and the brand of Islam that Imam Khomeini put forward, this situation was reversed.

 

(That view is also known as... the truth.)

 

But in any case, I don't think repenter's point was to defend anyone but rather to keep a (rightful) distrust of Western media with regard to news about a country which it has displayed aggressive policies against for many many decades.

 

All we know is that this guy is Kim Jong-un's uncle and that he was executed. And that alone, supposedly, makes this so sick and twisted. (Meanwhile, a US drone just bombed a wedding in Yemen... oops). If the uncle was a traitor, then... treason is punishable by death in many countries.

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baradar said:

           "All we know is that this guy is Kim Jong-un's uncle and that he was executed. And that alone, supposedly, makes this so sick and twisted. (Meanwhile, a US drone just bombed a wedding in Yemen... oops)."

 

Important topic, but if anyone wants to discuss further (and I would be interested in that discussion) please start a new thread and keep this one to discussion of Kim Jong-un.

 

Shukran. :)

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baradar said:

           "All we know is that this guy is Kim Jong-un's uncle and that he was executed. And that alone, supposedly, makes this so sick and twisted. (Meanwhile, a US drone just bombed a wedding in Yemen... oops)."

 

Important topic, but if anyone wants to discuss further (and I would be interested in that discussion) please start a new thread and keep this one to discussion of Kim Jong-un.

 

Shukran. :)

 

The point is that it's nonsense to talk about how this proves the "brutality of the North Korean regime" (real words of CBS news), when the people saying this don't even know the details of the execution or the charges against the uncle guy.

 

Everybody who wants to learn about the DPRK, please read Bruce Cumings, North Korea: Another Country. He is the leading Korea scholar in the US.

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The point is that it's nonsense to talk about how this proves the "brutality of the North Korean regime" (real words of CBS news), when the people saying this don't even know the details of the execution or the charges against the uncle guy.

 

Greetings baradar,

 

Is that what CBS news has said?  I don't know.  I don't watch or read CBS news.  I did see the report at this link:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/world/july-dec13/execution2_12-13.html

 

which involved an interview with Robert Carlin who had a 31-year career at the CIA and the State Department focused on Korea. and

Sung-Yoon Lee, an assistant professor of Korean studies at Tufts University's Fletcher School.

 

Mostly what I heard was how hard it is to make any kind of determination because we know so little of what goes on inside N. Korea.

I watched another interview with one of the leaders in S. Korea about their opinion of the matter too, but I don't remember where I saw that.

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Anybody have any thoughts after the execution of North Korean, Jang Song-thaek, the uncle and presumed mentor/protector of the leader Kim Jong-un?

 

Same would've/has happened in Iran. Try to rebel against or overthrow WF = execution. 

 

That's why you have blokes like Baradar defending Kim Jong-un, he is indirectly defending Iran.

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Same would've/has happened in Iran. Try to rebel against or overthrow WF = execution. 

 

That's why you have blokes like Baradar defending Kim Jong-un, he is indirectly defending Iran.

 

(bismillah)

 

(salam)

 

This is true for any country... Including the United States. Make efforts to overthrow the government and you are silenced. So I don't really know what point you're trying to make here.

 

(wasalam)

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Same would've/has happened in Iran. Try to rebel against or overthrow WF = execution. 

 

That's why you have blokes like Baradar defending Kim Jong-un, he is indirectly defending Iran.

 

If you try to rebel against WF or a leader ( islamic just leader), because of rules which basically goes against Islam), then you do  actually rebel against Allah and his messenger. You do not rebel against the just (non massom) islamic leader in that sense. 

 

 

You comparing a kafir leader  like Kim jong with Sayyid Ali Khamenei?

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PYONGYANG, December 9 05:39 KST (KCNA) — A report on the enlarged meeting of the Political Bureau of the Central Committee of the Workers' Party of Korea (WPK) was released on December 8.


 


The following is the full text of the report:


 


An enlarged meeting of the Political Bureau of the Central Committee of the WPK was held in Pyongyang, the capital of the revolution, on Dec. 8.


 


Respected Comrade Kim Jong Un, first secretary of the WPK, guided the meeting.


 


Present there were members and alternate members of the Political Bureau of the Central Committee of the WPK.


 


Leading officials of the Central Committee of the WPK, provincial party committees and armed forces organs attended it as observers.


 


Our party members, service personnel and all other people have made energetic efforts to implement the behests of leader Kim Jong Il, entrusting their destiny entirely to Kim Jong Un and getting united close around the Central Committee of the WPK since the demise of Kim Jong Il, the greatest loss to the nation.


 


In this historic period for carrying forward the revolutionary cause of Juche the chance elements and alien elements who had made their ways into the party committed such anti-party, counter-revolutionary factional acts as expanding their forces through factional moves and daring challenge the party, while attempting to undermine the unitary leadership of the party.


 


In this connection, the Political Bureau of the C.C., the WPK convened its enlarged meeting and discussed the issue related to the anti-party, counter-revolutionary factional acts committed by Jang Song Thaek.


 


The meeting, to begin with, fully laid bare the anti-party, counter-revolutionary factional acts of Jang Song Thaek and their harmfulness and reactionary nature.


 


It is the immutable truth proved by the nearly 70-year-long history of the WPK that the party can preserve its revolutionary nature as the party of the leader and fulfill its historic mission only when it firmly ensures its unity and cohesion based on the monolithic idea and the unitary center of leadership.


 


The entire party, whole army and all people are dynamically advancing toward the final victory in the drive for the building of a thriving nation, meeting all challenges of history and resolutely foiling the desperate moves of the enemies of the revolution under the leadership of Kim Jong Un. Such situation urgently calls for consolidating as firm as a rock the single-minded unity of the party and the revolutionary ranks with Kim Jong Un as its unitary centre and more thoroughly establishing the monolithic leadership system of the party throughout the party and society.


 


The Jang Song Thaek group, however, committed such anti-party, counter-revolutionary factional acts as gnawing at the unity and cohesion of the party and disturbing the work for establishing the party unitary leadership system and perpetrated such ant-state, unpopular crimes as doing enormous harm to the efforts to build a thriving nation and improve the standard of people's living.


 


Jang pretended to uphold the party and leader but was engrossed in such factional acts as dreaming different dreams and involving himself in double-dealing behind the scene.


 


Though he held responsible posts of the party and state thanks to the deep political trust of the party and leader, he committed such perfidious acts as shunning and obstructing in every way the work for holding President Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il in high esteem for all ages, behaving against the elementary sense of moral obligation and conscience as a human being.


 


Jang desperately worked to form a faction within the party by creating illusion about him and winning those weak in faith and flatterers to his side.


 


Prompted by his politically-motivated ambition, he tried to increase his force and build his base for realizing it by implanting those who had been punished for their serious wrongs in the past period into ranks of officials of departments of the party central committee and units under them.


 


Jang and his followers did not sincerely accept the line and policies of the party, the organizational will of the WPK, but deliberately neglected their implementation, distorted them and openly played down the policies of the party. In the end, they made no scruple of perpetrating such counter-revolutionary acts as disobeying the order issued by the supreme commander of the Korean People's Army.


 


The Jang group weakened the party's guidance over judicial, prosecution and people's security bodies, bringing very harmful consequences to the work for protecting the social system, policies and people.


 


Such acts are nothing but counter-revolutionary, unpopular criminal acts of giving up the class struggle and paralyzing the function of popular democratic dictatorship, yielding to the offensive of the hostile forces to stifle the DPRK.


 


Jang seriously obstructed the nation's economic affairs and the improvement of the standard of people's living in violation of the pivot-to-the-Cabinet principle and the Cabinet responsibility principle laid down by the WPK.


 


The Jang group put under its control the fields and units which play an important role in the nation's economic development and the improvement of people's living in a crafty manner, making it impossible for the economic guidance organs including the Cabinet to perform their roles.


 


By throwing the state financial management system into confusion and committing such act of treachery as selling off precious resources of the country at cheap prices, the group made it impossible to carry out the behests of Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il on developing the industries of Juche iron, Juche fertilizer and Juche vinalon.


 


Affected by the capitalist way of living, Jang committed irregularities and corruption and led a dissolute and depraved life.


 


By abusing his power, he was engrossed in irregularities and corruption, had improper relations with several women and was wined and dined at back parlors of deluxe restaurants.


 


Ideologically sick and extremely idle and easy-going, he used drugs and squandered foreign currency at casinos while he was receiving medical treatment in a foreign country under the care of the party.


 


Jang and his followers committed criminal acts baffling imagination and they did tremendous harm to our party and revolution.


 


The ungrateful criminal acts perpetrated by the group of Jang Song Thaek are lashing our party members, service personnel of the People's Army and people into great fury as it committed such crimes before they observed two-year mourning for Kim Jong Il, eternal general secretary of the WPK.


 


Speeches were made at the enlarged meeting.


 


Speakers bitterly criticized in unison the anti-party, counter-revolutionary factional acts committed by the Jang group and expressed their firm resolution to remain true to the idea and leadership of Kim Jong Un and devotedly defend the Party Central Committee politically and ideologically and with lives.


 


The meeting adopted a decision of the Political Bureau of the Party Central Committee on relieving Jang of all posts, depriving him of all titles and expelling him and removing his name from the WPK.


 


The party served warning to Jang several times and dealt blows at him, watching his group's anti-party, counter-revolutionary factional acts as it has been aware of them from long ago. But it did not pay heed to it but went beyond tolerance limit. That was why the party eliminated Jang and purged his group, unable to remain an onlooker to its acts any longer, dealing telling blows at sectarian acts manifested within the party.


 


Our party will never pardon anyone challenging its leadership and infringing upon the interests of the state and people in violation of the principle of the revolution, regardless of his or her position and merits.


 


No matter how mischievously a tiny handful of anti-party, counter-revolutionary factional elements may work, they can never shake the revolutionary faith of all party members, service personnel and people holding Kim Jong Un in high esteem as the unitary centre of unity and unitary centre of leadership.


 


The discovery and purge of the Jang group, a modern day faction and undesirable elements who happened to worm their ways into our party ranks, made our party and revolutionary ranks purer and helped consolidate our single-minded unity remarkably and advance more dynamically the revolutionary cause of Juche along the road of victory.


 


No force on earth can deter our party, army and people from dynamically advancing toward a final victory, single-mindedly united around Kim Jong Un under the uplifted banner of great Kimilsungism-Kimjongilism.


 


http://www.nknews.org/kcna-watch/kcna-article/?0038461


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Same would've/has happened in Iran. Try to rebel against or overthrow WF = execution. 

 

That's why you have blokes like Baradar defending Kim Jong-un, he is indirectly defending Iran.

 

Well both are criminals, but one does things openly and the other is worse by wearing a turban & religious garb.

 

Both of you are stupid.

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Salam Brothers and Sisters,

 

It seems like this thread got out of hand because of one member's comment. There are 20 billion people in the world. Everyone has their own opinion. We may not like them and we may do. What this individual did was only given out his own opinion, much like everyone on the site does. What did he do that was so wrong? If you took a step back before reporting him, he would have probably given you some evidences to why he made such a specific statement.

 

People this is just the internet. No one should be taking the internet so seriously because it isn't real.

 

Best of luck, 

 

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(salam)

 

"brutality of the North Korean regime"  ...uhhhh, did everyone forget the drone strikes....and other stuff, like what sanctions did to Iraq in the 1990s????

 

 

Where's Bandar's quote...I clicked that icon??/

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(salam)

 

"brutality of the North Korean regime"  ...uhhhh, did everyone forget the drone strikes....and other stuff, like what sanctions did to Iraq in the 1990s????

 

 

Where's Bandar's quote...I clicked that icon??/

How does what the US does in the Middle East make North Korea's actions acceptable?

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Kim Jong Un like  his grandfather and father before his is a great friend and ally to The Islamic Republic of Iran  all true friends and supporters of The Islamic Republic of Iran  should honor and respect Km Jong Un and his pro Islamic and Pro Iranian government in North Korea 

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There are set of rules that are supposed to be followed by the shiachat members as well as the Amins and Mods whether they are orange or blue or red. Many members including myself have looked at these rules contentiously. It seemed to be that the rules that were set for the members does not implied to the admins or mods.

 

This forum is base on opinion. Of course we back up our opinion by evidences. However, since it is chosen to ban this members without letting him defend himself for what he said this, I believe this is a unfair ban and breaks some form of the rules.

 

I am not here to start any issues or trying to get ban myself. I am not a new member where I am unfamiliar with this forum. I was previously LadyNadine (account close). I just believe, If anyone can't handle criticisms (positive or negative), than you should ask yourself: "why am I on this forum?"

 

Anyways, best of luck,

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There are set of rules that are supposed to be followed by the shiachat members as well as the Amins and Mods whether they are orange or blue or red. Many members including myself have looked at these rules contentiously. It seemed to be that the rules that were set for the members does not implied to the admins or mods.

 

This forum is base on opinion. Of course we back up our opinion by evidences. However, since it is chosen to ban this members without letting him defend himself for what he said this, I believe this is a unfair ban and breaks some form of the rules.

 

I am not here to start any issues or trying to get ban myself. I am not a new member where I am unfamiliar with this forum. I was previously LadyNadine (account close). I just believe, If anyone can't handle critics (positive or negative), than you should ask yourself: "why am I on this forum?"

 

Anyways, best of luck

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(salam) Nadine/Dream catcher

 

Yes there is certainly a case for "freedom of expression". However, when one insults the highest authority in our fiqh, a representative of the Imam (as) during his ghayba, this is a case for dealing with such a person.

Because the thing is, to compare Imam Khamenei (ra) to a non Muslim leader, who may not be the best of leaders (although 1000s of times better than the scum who lead the US, Zionist entity and UK) is a form of Takfir, which is evidently breaking the rules, and thus requires someone to be dealt with proportionally.

Secondly, the people who seem to be insulting to rahbar (ra) seem to be the same ones who are causing mass Shia genocide by their actions concerning personalities dear to the Sunni Schools of thought, therefore they need to be dealt with.

Also, it is obligatory on all Muslims to follow the Hukm of imam Khamenei (ra) regardless of their marja, criticism of him which is illegitimate (comparing him to a kafir) must not be allowed.

Therefore, such attempts at creating Fitnah and corruption in the Ummah must not be allowed. I wonder, all the people who continuously defend this evil assault by some members on Shiachat against certain Marjahs would have the same view if their own marjah was attacked? It seems there is a double standard, against the only true Islamic government in the world.

And Allah knows best

Wasalam

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(salam) Nadine/Dream catcher

 

Yes there is certainly a case for "freedom of expression". However, when one insults the highest authority in our fiqh, a representative of the Imam (as) during his ghayba, this is a case for dealing with such a person.

Because the thing is, to compare Imam Khamenei (ra) to a non Muslim leader, who may not be the best of leaders (although 1000s of times better than the scum who lead the US, Zionist entity and UK) is a form of Takfir, which is evidently breaking the rules, and thus requires someone to be dealt with proportionally.

Secondly, the people who seem to be insulting to rahbar (ra) seem to be the same ones who are causing mass Shia genocide by their actions concerning personalities dear to the Sunni Schools of thought, therefore they need to be dealt with.

Also, it is obligatory on all Muslims to follow the Hukm of imam Khamenei (ra) regardless of their marja, criticism of him which is illegitimate (comparing him to a kafir) must not be allowed.

Therefore, such attempts at creating Fitnah and corruption in the Ummah must not be allowed. I wonder, all the people who continuously defend this evil assault by some members on Shiachat against certain Marjahs would have the same view if their own marjah was attacked? It seems there is a double standard, against the only true Islamic government in the world.

And Allah knows best

Wasalam

 

 

Broder, maybe Hussainiyat Zindabad doesn't see Sayed Khameini as the representative of Imam al-Asr ?

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This is true for any country... Including the United States. Make efforts to overthrow the government and you are silenced. So I don't really know what point you're trying to make here.

 

There is no need to overthrow anyone when the person will be replaced every few years. You can't compare a system where the leader, with limited powers, changes every 4/8 years chosen by the people to a non-elected leader that has absolute authority for life. 

 

If you try to rebel against WF or a leader ( islamic just leader), because of rules which basically goes against Islam), then you do  actually rebel against Allah and his messenger. You do not rebel against the just (non massom) islamic leader in that sense. 

 

Did Allah chose this leader or did the people elect this leader?

 

Do the people have a choice to replace the current leader or the definition of the position? 

 

If you answer "no" to the above questions, what other option is left? 

 

Look at history, no Kings/Monarchs/Dictators resign, they hold their position till death, and eliminate any threats.

 

You comparing a kafir leader  like Kim jong with Sayyid Ali Khamenei?

 
No, I'm comparing the position. 
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There is no need to overthrow anyone when the person will be replaced every few years. You can't compare a system where the leader, with limited powers, changes every 4/8 years chosen by the people to a non-elected leader that has absolute authority for life.

 

This is rich.

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(salam) Nadine/Dream catcher

 

Yes there is certainly a case for "freedom of expression". However, when one insults the highest authority in our fiqh, a representative of the Imam (as) during his ghayba, this is a case for dealing with such a person.

Because the thing is, to compare Imam Khamenei (ra) to a non Muslim leader, who may not be the best of leaders (although 1000s of times better than the scum who lead the US, Zionist entity and UK) is a form of Takfir, which is evidently breaking the rules, and thus requires someone to be dealt with proportionally.

Secondly, the people who seem to be insulting to rahbar (ra) seem to be the same ones who are causing mass Shia genocide by their actions concerning personalities dear to the Sunni Schools of thought, therefore they need to be dealt with.

Also, it is obligatory on all Muslims to follow the Hukm of imam Khamenei (ra) regardless of their marja, criticism of him which is illegitimate (comparing him to a kafir) must not be allowed.

Therefore, such attempts at creating Fitnah and corruption in the Ummah must not be allowed. I wonder, all the people who continuously defend this evil assault by some members on Shiachat against certain Marjahs would have the same view if their own marjah was attacked? It seems there is a double standard, against the only true Islamic government in the world.

And Allah knows best

Wasalam

 

Freedom of expression IS freedom expression. There are really no buts… 

 

Just take it as a new lesson you have learned. You saw the positive and negative of Kim Jong-Un. Leave it be.

Broder, maybe Hussainiyat Zindabad doesn't see Sayed Khameini as the representative of Imam al-Asr ?

Well as soon as he gets unbanned, you all will know the answer.

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North Korea is well past its 'sell by' date. It's nothing more than a zalim dynasty (a Kimdom) and should be treated as such. The fact that it allies itself with other ardent anti-Americans (Iranians, say) doesn't make it better. It remains a nasty, suffocating country that none of you would like to live in. In fact, you wouldn't be online typing away at your screens if you were in that prison of a state.

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^ so you must speak Korean, and have lived there for many years... you know so much. 

 

안녕하세요

 

Isreal is a great and open democracy and a beacon of progressive poliicts in the Middle East.

 

Which is more stupid? Let's have a match.

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North Korea is well past its 'sell by' date. It's nothing more than a zalim dynasty (a Kimdom) and should be treated as such. The fact that it allies itself with other ardent anti-Americans (Iranians, say) doesn't make it better. It remains a nasty, suffocating country that none of you would like to live in. In fact, you wouldn't be online typing away at your screens if you were in that prison of a state.

 

How original.

 

Firstly, can people please stop saying there is no internet in North Korea?

 

Because there is. There is internet there. They have internet. It's censored, yes, but a lot of countries censor the internet. China and Iran filter pornographical websites, as well as certain political ones. Likewise, a lot of Western European countries try to crack down on file sharing. But there IS internet in North Korea. OK? OK.

 

With that settled...

 

You repeat a lot of typical slogans. And it was all very nice and good, but it means nothing. You can call us out for being hypocritical or keyboard warriors or whatever, but that's stupid, because nobody was propping up the North Korean political system as a universal one that should be followed by everyone, OR saying they personally would like to live in North Korea.

 

So nobody was saying either of these things. You're using this nonsense emotional drivel to create a dilemma that never existed.

 

The point is not whether WE would like to live in North Korea. The question is what the Koreans themselves think. It is not up for YOU, me, or anyone else here to decide what the government of North Korea does, remember that.

 

And really there is no one even in Western governments, who tries to suggest that there is any significant opposition to the government in North Korea. Because every imaginable indication leads one to believe that -- on the contrary, an overwhelming majority of the North Korean people support their government and their political stances abroad. Allow me to demonstrate.

 

1) Defection isn't even that common

The DPRK suffered a famine in 1995-99. When countries suffer famines, there tends to be a mass exodus. And yet... there never was, in the case of the DPRK. I forgot the exact numbers of defectors from 1953 (the end of the war) to 1996 (a famine year). I think it was 600-something. I do not remember exactly, but it was certainly under one thousand. Very few people actually defect. And it's not because it's hard to leave; the border with South Korea is heavily guarded, yes (the war never officially ended, so this is to be expected). But the border with China is almost meaningless. In fact, some have been able to simply walk across the Yalu river when it freezes over in the winter. Going to China from the DPRK is not even a big deal; a lot of people go legally. (There is a railway that connects the countries). Most of the people who leave the DPRK to China, do so with the intention to return... and DO, indeed, return. So this is certainly not a matter of hyper-security keeping people within the country. People CAN leave the country, but they choose not to.

 

2) Defector testimony gives us an insight into the Korean mind (hint: North Koreans don't care that they can't sign up for Netflix, or that they can't participate in the Mercedes Benz holiday sales event)

For a long time, defector testimony was directly controlled and censored by the South Korean military government. One of the most telling examples of this was when the North sent a team to assassinate Park Chung-hee. The assassins were captured and most of them beheaded. One of the ones who was allowed to live, would spend the rest of his days going on university campuses and shouting slogans against the North. (Gee, I wonder why he would do that). He eventually tried to defect back into the North. (But you knew that story, right? ... Nah, didn't think so). Since then, the military has somewhat eased its stranglehold over the government, and thus, defector testimony tends to be more authentic. And we have seen with more or less complete unanimity, that defectors say they were very loyal to Kim Il-sung. This is almost completely unanimous. In fact, some of the North Koreans who had defected to the South, cried upon hearing the news of Kim Il-sung's death. (You can talk all you want about how they're forced to do it and dictatorship and blah blah... but why would defectors living outside the country, cry over his death unless it was truly genuine?)

 

3) Government has not collapsed

Cretins like you were also around in the early 1990s. As these morons saw the events in Eastern Europe unfold, they (brilliantly) predicted a similar fate to befall Korea. If they weren't idiots, of course, they would have saved their breath. Korea is Korea; what happens in Poland or Germany does not dictate what happens to Korea. And surely enough, the fall of communism in Eastern Europe didn't so much as cough on the political system in the DPRK. There are a few reasons for this. Firstly, there is clearly a difference in ideology and a difference in aims. The purpose of socialism is to bring about public welfare. To varying degrees, the socialist governments of Eastern Europe failed to do that (although they had some successes in limited periods of time). The people of these countries saw this, and so the governments of these countries were not very popular. Disillusionment was high. And thus, chaos spread through these countries like wildfire. The purpose of "Korean socialism" (a nonsense term, really, but I will just use it anyway), is higher than that. It is the unification of Korea, the preservation of Korean culture/language, the creation of an independent Korean state, and the preservation of the Confucian social order within this state. These are the goals of "Korean socialism." Meaning, the breakdown in the welfare state did not constitute an ultimate failure or defeat. Thus, when in the 1980s the North Korean economy stagnated while the South Korean economy began to outpace it, the North Korean government still had mass political support. And this continued even in the collapse of the 1990s. Not even a famine could shake the foundations of the political structure (except at the local level, where the failure of the rationing system forced people and officials to use improvised methods). Nowadays, Western officials stop predicting a North Korean collapse. They learned their lesson, but you haven't. That reflects poorly on you.

 

 

 

 

The North Korean government enjoys political support that most countries would envy. There is actually zero disagreement on this; even the most ideologically-motivated, anti-DPRK person who is somewhat informed, admits this fact... and only people who know NOTHING about Korea deny it. DPRK is the world leader in organic politics. If you want sources I can give you friggin sources. But I doubt you will even read this post, let alone any sources I were to bring.

 

So... what does this all mean? This means people like you need to shut up. You are calling a country a "prison" when this country's people take exception to such a label. You may as well take up the cause of "liberating Muslim women." Go on then. Tear off all those niqabs.

 

You need to understand that different people have different values. The values of the Korean people are fundamentally different from the values of, say, Belgians. If you were to say: "The political system of the DPRK is oppressive to Belgians!!!" that would be absolutely correct and you would be a genius. But that's not what you said. So you're an idiot. The North Korean political system is rooted in Korean values. Even a lot of Southerners admire certain aspects of North Korea (in spite of decades of brainwashing). In particular, Southerners who are wary of the degeneration of moral values, continued American military presence, and Western cultural onslaught, tend to hold a soft spot for the DPRK. Likewise, a majority (around two thirds) of the Korean population of Japan, identify more with North Korea than South Korea.

 

You are trying to personalize the issue and point fingers at people and put words in their mouths; this is a distraction from the real issue.

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