Marajas Against Tatbir

[yashia]

(bismillah) 

 

(salam) 

 

In the name of Allah,

 

The most beneficent the most merciful,

 

Assalamu aleykum.

 

 

 

I would like to ask the people of this forum if they could please help me out,

 

By giving me a list of marajas from their knowledge that do not allow tatbir.

 

 

Jazakallah.

 

(P.S. I know Sayed Fudlullah is against Tatbir [May Allah increase his blessings])

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[HamzaTR]

wa salam. please check; http://tatbir.org/?page_id=98 they have made a list..

[myouvial]

This tatbeer things, made my ancestor do not like, do not appreciate Shi'ah. However, we appreciate, believe in Nabi Muhammad SAW and his descendants.

 

But because of , we (certainly all people in my country) mostly loose or lack of knowledge of the teaching in school of Ahlul Bayt as. Until after i saw :

a. Shi'ah's adzan which is different from Sunni's adzan,

b. the history of Imam Husayn as in Karbala

c. some Shi'ah books which is inteligently written

 

I will keep pursuing the teaching of school Ahlul Bayt as.

 

 

Someone who initiate tatbeer has responsibility in the hereafter/akhirat and will be questioned as they are causing huge millions of human to abandon, to hate, and feel su'u dzhon to Shi'ah.

 

In my mind, i believe their (someone who initiate tatbeer) plead/defense is :

 

a. to avoid the teaching of Ahlul Bayt as get dirtied by the dirty human especially the killers of Imam Husain as and their followers.

b. to punish the descendant's of the killers of Imam Husain as who attend the Ashura matam through tatbeer.

[yashia]

wa salam. please check; http://tatbir.org/?page_id=98 they have made a list..

 

Thank you brother,

 

That website is beyond perfect !

 

 

May Allah reward you.

 

This tatbeer things, made my ancestor do not like, do not appreciate Shi'ah. However, we appreciate, believe in Nabi Muhammad SAW and his descendants.

 

But because of , we (certainly all people in my country) mostly loose or lack of knowledge of the teaching in school of Ahlul Bayt as. Until after i saw :

a. Shi'ah's adzan which is different from Sunni's adzan,

b. the history of Imam Husayn as in Karbala

c. some Shi'ah books which is inteligently written

 

I will keep pursuing the teaching of school Ahlul Bayt as.

 

 

Someone who initiate tatbeer has responsibility in the hereafter/akhirat and will be questioned as they are causing huge millions of human to abandon, to hate, and feel su'u dzhon to Shi'ah.

 

In my mind, i believe their (someone who initiate tatbeer) plead/defense is :

 

a. to avoid the teaching of Ahlul Bayt as get dirtied by the dirty human especially the killers of Imam Husain as and their followers.

b. to punish the descendant's of the killers of Imam Husain as who attend the Ashura matam through tatbeer.

Mashallah that is very inspiring,

 

If only everyone thought like you.

Edited November 11, 2013 by yashia

[myouvial]

Mashallah that is very inspiring,

 

If only everyone thought like you.

See the justification of tatbir :

 

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?/topic/235018641-tatbir-okay-or-not/

 

We do not do dzalim to ourself and everything.

 

Please, people who support tatbir, say it out loud bleeding oneself is adl, even cutting their neck/killing oneself to have ridha from Allah SWT. Say it to the world, and if you have proof please provide other than above movie in youtube.

[yashia]

See the justification of tatbir :

 

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?/topic/235018641-tatbir-okay-or-not/

 

We do not do dzalim to ourself and everything.

 

Please, people who support tatbir, say it out loud bleeding oneself is adl, even cutting their neck/killing oneself to have ridha from Allah SWT. Say it to the world, and if you have proof please provide other than above movie in youtube.

 

 

I am confused. Are you for or against tatbir because clearly this video is for tatbir.

[myouvial]

I am confused. Are you for or against tatbir because clearly this video is for tatbir.

 

As i wrote above :

 

We do not do dzalim to ourself and everything.

 

This sentence is rule from Al fathihah ghoiril maghdu bi 'alaihim walaa dhdholliin, but sometime i may be do dhalim to myself, or other people/thing. As human we do our best to not doing dhalim. So i against tatbir.

 

I never do it.

We only follow Nabi Muhammad SAW's sunnah (he is the uswatun hasanah), not his follower, sahaba (Uways al Qarny)

 

 

My intention is to uncloak, to reveal why is Shi'ah is scared, hated, ignored by most Muslim (including myself).

 

I wish we can discuss this with good adab, akhlaq, civil manner.

[Abu Izrael]

 http://tatbir.org/?page_id=98

 

This website gives a good list of maraja and scholars who have spoken against tatbir. Just ignore this part:

The obligation of following the Hakim in issues such as this one. The Hakim in our era is Ayatullah Khamenei:

 

Question:
“Are the ahkam wila’iya (orders of the juristic authority) of the Wali Faqih implemented upon all the Muslims globally or is it specific to the area of his authority?”

 

Answer:
“The Hukm of the Mujtahid who fulfilled the criteria and is accepted by the general masses, is implemented without any bounds in what is related to ordaining society unless his mistake becomes apparent and was contrary to what is certainly proven from the Qur’an and Sunnah.” Fatwa number 134

“It is not permissible to abrogate/break the hukm (order/command/rule) of the (religious) governor/ruler (hakim), who meets all the necessary criterion (for governance/ruling), even by another mujtahid, except if it (the hukm) is contrary to what has been proven, with certainty, by the Qur’an and Sunnah.”

 

Edited November 13, 2013 by Abu Izrael

[myouvial]

I do not want to be a whistle blower of sectarian strife, just want to see the truth.

 

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/11/12/334389/leaders-words-resonate-with-muslims/

[imranali]

Salam Alikum

 

Please find attached 3 files.

 

1 - Aayatullah Syed Mohammad Sherazi (late) son, Aayatullah Syed Murtaza Sherazi doing tatbeer this year in Najaf.

2 - Aayatullah Syed Mohammad Sadiq Sherazi doing tatbeer

3 - Fatwa of Aayatullah Sistani - From his official website (link also mention)

 

I have saw picture of Aayatullah Sistani doing tatbeer which I will show here very soon.

 

 

Wa Salam

[A true Sunni]

Salam Alikum

 

Please find attached 3 files.

 

1 - Aayatullah Syed Mohammad Sherazi (late) son, Aayatullah Syed Murtaza Sherazi doing tatbeer this year in Najaf.

2 - Aayatullah Syed Mohammad Sadiq Sherazi doing tatbeer

3 - Fatwa of Aayatullah Sistani - From his official website (link also mention)

 

I have saw picture of Aayatullah Sistani doing tatbeer which I will show here very soon.

 

 

Wa Salam

 Everyone knows that the Shirazis are pro-blood letting so that's no earth shaking revelation.

As to Ayatullah Sistani fatawa post it in English so we can all analyse it. I refuse to accept any blood letters word on anything since they frequently lie.

 

As to the Ayatullah Sistani doing tatbir picture. I have seen it as well. It shows a bald man with long beard possibly having his head cut. There is nothing to suggest it is Ayatullah Sistani since the picture is not that clear and its not a full face on pic.

 

Pathetic proof as normal

[A true Sunni]

Someone just PM me to say he has reported me for 'calling ImranAli a liar'. I would point out that I said that blood letters frequently lie and as such I refuse to accept his word on it. Typical blood letter misrepresenting and lying about what I said. Dont blood letters realise that what is said is recorded for posterity