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Shiasm Lacks Evidence... Proving It To Be False.

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the burden of proof is upon shi'tes to provide evidence, not the sunni. They must produce irrifutable evidence that Abu bakr was a munafiq/kafir... etc. That is because people are innocent until proven guilty. Islam is a religion upon clear proof.

 

 

I just got done watching http://www.abubakr.org/ ... this did nothing but prove shiasm is false. here is the reason why:

 

- everything in the video has multiple interpretations.

- sunnis have come with counter rebuttals

 

 

Something which has mulitple intepretations, is not clear proof. This contradicts the Quran, as it states Islam is upon clear proof... thereore shiasm fails in producing anything irrifutable.

 

 

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the burden of proof is upon shi'tes to provide evidence, not the sunni. They must produce irrifutable evidence that Abu bakr was a munafiq/kafir... etc. That is because people are innocent until proven guilty. Islam is a religion upon clear proof.

 

 

I just got done watching http://www.abubakr.org/ ... this did nothing but prove shiasm is false. here is the reason why:

 

- everything in the video has multiple interpretations.

- sunnis have come with counter rebuttals

 

 

Something which has mulitple intepretations, is not clear proof. This contradicts the Quran, as it states Islam is upon clear proof... thereore shiasm fails in producing anything irrifutable.

 

 

nadir

 

 

 

 

(1) We could say the same, Because in Rational Logic, Ones Literature of Faith, is the foundation of his Defense, You made an Illogical statement based on what? a 5 or 10 Minute video?  Does that Simply Give you all that which we know? I don't think so

(2) You've just failed in making sense.

(3) There is no Knowledge Gained in giving effort to produce hatred.    

 

 

(wasalam)

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the burden of proof is upon shi'tes to provide evidence, not the sunni. They must produce irrifutable evidence that Abu bakr was a munafiq/kafir... etc. That is because people are innocent until proven guilty. Islam is a religion upon clear proof.

 

 

I just got done watching http://www.abubakr.org/ ... this did nothing but prove shiasm is false. here is the reason why:

 

- everything in the video has multiple interpretations.

- sunnis have come with counter rebuttals

 

 

Something which has mulitple intepretations, is not clear proof. This contradicts the Quran, as it states Islam is upon clear proof... thereore shiasm fails in producing anything irrifutable.

 

 

nadir

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Firstly,not all Shia believe Abu Bakr to be a Kafir. Secondly, the Burden is not on us and we do not have to prove anything to you or anyone else. Do your own research and find out what is truth and what is not. Some people have their reasons to believe it is Shia Islam and others have different beliefs. You don't have to be a believer if you don't want to. :)

 

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Firstly,not all Shia believe Abu Bakr to be a Kafir. Secondly, the Burden is not on us and we do not have to prove anything to you or anyone else. Do your own research and find out what is truth and what is not. Some people have their reasons to believe it is Shia Islam and others have different beliefs. You don't have to be a believer if you don't want to. :)

 

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Though that should be their belief, seeing as it is the correct one based off the Mu'tabar ahadith.

 

Also to the OP, this is a delusion you're telling yourself, because as soon as the evidence presents itself to you (and there is a plethora of evidence if you search for it), you'll retreat into your shell telling yourself, we're lying, these traditions must be false for some reason, or use random ahadith recorded in Sunni books of the Prophet (saawa) apparently praising Abu Bakr/Sunni interpretations (and/or notions) of verses of the Qur'an to reject the evidence given to you. Pedal your nonsense to others who will buy this whole enlightened view. If you truly are an 'Ammi who wants to learn, why don't you search for an argument against him (as no doubt this forum must have many) and then discuss that.

 

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As others have pointed out, Allah knows better if he was kafir/munafiq or a muslim. But what we do know he made mistakes and we merely highlight those and leave it for people to reach their own conclusions. Shia's offical stance on him is that we do tabarra against some Sahabis, which does not mean cursing them but rather stay away from such personalities. Most of our big Marja have made it haram to curse them openly.

 

Was he a good sahabi during time of Prophet Mohammad? Yes

Did he remain like that? Evidence points differently.

Do you own research without being bias and form your own judgment. 

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the burden of proof is upon shi'tes to provide evidence, not the sunni. They must produce irrifutable evidence that Abu bakr was a munafiq/kafir... etc.

Munafiq and kafir are not the same thing.  The first implies the latter but it is not always true.  Perhaps Abu Bakr sincerely believed in what he was doing.  That doesn't change the fact that he was wrong and Ali (as) was right.

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As Salaam Aleikum Brother Nadir,

 

I have no hatred in my heart for the caliphs. However I do not praise them nor do I agree with how they acted during and after the Prophet lifetime (saw).

 

The belief in the caliphate in accordance with the Sunni faith, is not an part of Aqeeda (which a lot of them say, however I do not think is the case). If this is true, why make a fuss about this?  Why care if Shias don't praise these individuals and criticise for their wrong doings?

 

I understand wholeheartedly that its wrong and unislamic to abuse the caliphs, or any other living person for that matter, but why worry if we criticise them if its not even part of Religion?

 

You will than come to see, it is part of sunni aqeedah as there is a lot of importance laid on the concept of Caliphate. Therefore the Shia view of Imamate doesn't seem that far fetched than, and than the burden of proof lies on the Sunni school of thoughts as there are no evidences for the Caliphate system.

 

Look at the both views, and think.

 

the burden of proof is upon shi'tes to provide evidence, not the sunni. They must produce irrifutable evidence that Abu bakr was a munafiq/kafir...

 

 

Unfortunately this shows your lack of understanding of Islam. It is not mankind that judges people, it is Allah (swt). Alhamdulillah its not the people that use a book to sentence people to heaven or hell in the hereafter, rather its the merciful Lord.

 

Allah (swt) Knows Best.

 

Salaam.

 

Ali

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the burden of proof is upon shi'tes to provide evidence, not the sunni. They must produce irrifutable evidence that Abu bakr was a munafiq/kafir... etc. That is because people are innocent until proven guilty. Islam is a religion upon clear proof.

I just got done watching http://www.abubakr.org/ ... this did nothing but prove shiasm is false. here is the reason why:

- everything in the video has multiple interpretations.

- sunnis have come with counter rebuttals

Something which has mulitple intepretations, is not clear proof. This contradicts the Quran, as it states Islam is upon clear proof... thereore shiasm fails in producing anything irrifutable.

nadir

My dear brother, it's not about anybody in particular or anyone specific but it's about belief and faith. This is where it all begins and cicks off from. The Ahle Sunnah believe that all the Sahaba, every single one of them, was pious and good, just and fair. They also belief that the Sahaba are the standard and representatives of justice and truthness, (meyaar-e-adal and meyaar-e-haq). The Ahle tashee do not accept and believe in this, since it goes against reality and facts. Also history tells us the opposite.

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it looks like its just one of those people that leave a Comment and Runaway...as Usual.

Absolutely! They will either leave a comment or throw an accusation and when it comes to discussing the comment or proving the accusation then, you wont here from them.

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Why are you all replying to him? Like someone said above he's obviously one of those Post-Once-Then-Run-Away cowards thinking he just laid an atom bomb or something and scored a massive victory. If he had wanted to debate he would have stayed an rebutted any counter arguments. Please delete

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