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Damascus Is Burning

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Damascus is Burning is a feature length film between 60-90 minutes, which takes a historical look into the influence of the Western nations, particularly the United States, in aiding and supporting extremists groups, which has built up to this time in supporting the Sufyanic movement in Syria, masked behind different names such as The Free Syrian Army, the Al-Nusra Front and Al-Qaeda.

 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obRhcDDcm3o&list=PLYD1n8657Bh6_xhTmdso7kEOdgAZeezLB&index=1

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Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim  In The Name of Allaah, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful. As salaamu alaykum, The Peace (of Allaah) Be Upon you, everyone.

 

 

This is no ordinary war. There is much over-kill to be seen.  It is hard to fathom that these are Muslims, that are attacking other Muslims.  There are no rules of war involved. It is more like slaughter.

 

 

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Damascus is Burning is a feature length film between 60-90 minutes, which takes a historical look into the influence of the Western nations, particularly the United States, in aiding and supporting extremists groups, which has built up to this time in supporting the Sufyanic movement in Syria, masked behind different names such as The Free Syrian Army, the Al-Nusra Front and Al-Qaeda.

 

You can watch the video here:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obRhcDDcm3o&list=PLYD1n8657Bh6_xhTmdso7kEOdgAZeezLB&index=1

 

 

yes all of those millions of ordinary Sunnis driven to protest against tyrant are somehow all controlled by Israel and the united states which refuses to help them in anyway after Assad using chemical weapons

 

AQ which fought the united states in Iraq for ten years in iraq and continues to be droned is controlled by united states OK

 

the butcher that is Assad destroying entire cities so he can rule as a sectarian corrupt dictator is a lovely man

 

i cant see how anybody can be a Muslim and back this utter butcher

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yes all of those millions of ordinary Sunnis driven to protest against tyrant are somehow all controlled by Israel and the united states which refuses to help them in anyway after Assad using chemical weapons

 

AQ which fought the united states in Iraq for ten years in iraq and continues to be droned is controlled by united states OK

 

the butcher that is Assad destroying entire cities so he can rule as a sectarian corrupt dictator is a lovely man

 

i cant see how anybody can be a Muslim and back this utter butcher

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Assad's Baath party is not a sectarian party, in fact it is a seculair Arab Nationalist Party who has ministers from all religious backgrounds, yes including Sunni. There is no oppression of Sunni's in Syria and there never was, in fact you will find Sunni Mosques on almost every street corner and you will hear the Adhan 5 times a day. Sunni's are free like all other people in Syria to follow their religion. Therefor the propogating of Jihad on sectarian grounds in Syria by diverse Arab sattelit channels is in an agression against the Quran, since the Quran only gives permission for an armed Jihad in case people are evicted out of their houses and persecuted because of their religion, which clearly is NOT the case in Syria. The Syrian opprising started originally as a response on Assad's crackdown on demonstrations against his regime, but was quickly hijacked by diverse Sunni Arab Gulf states that turned it into a sectarian conflict and has put fuel on the fire by financing foreign Takfiri mercenaries to come to Syria and pursue a sectarian Sunni-Salafi agenda.

You should start to make the comparrison, how come that in Egypt when the militairy cracked down on peacefull demonstraters after the ousting of democratically choosen Morsi, kiiled over 800 people in just two days! (more than the initial deathtoll during the first Syrian demonstrations which sparked such an uproar in the Arab world).........how come these same advocates of "freedom" for the Sunni Muslims remained quiet? Why is there no "Free Egyptian Army" financed by these oil sheikhs? Why is the seat of Egypt in the Arab League not given to the democratically choosen Muslim Brotherhood as a protest from these "freedom loving" Arab states against the Egyptian slaughtering of peacefull unarmed demonstraters? Why do these Arab sattelite channels of hate not preach Jihad in Myanmar? In Myanmar Muslims are being driven out of their houses BECAUSE of their faith, the schoolbook text example for a justifeid Jihad.....yet they remain quiet!

Think, why is there no embargo against Egypt???? Well, it is very simple, Egypt buys US weapons and recognises the state of Israel. Syria buys Russian weapons and thus must be replaced by the "Free Syrian Army" that will buy US weapons and will stop supporting the resistance against Israel.

The two countries that are boycotted in the M-E are Iran and Syria both of them are the ONLY countries that support the resistance against Israel!.....a coincidence?    I don't think so!

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After having seen the entire 7 episodes of the Movie, I have a question with regards to Ahmed Al Hassan who claims himself to be the vicegerent of Imam Mehdi  (as) . Also in the same very video i think many of our scholars have also been condemned. What is his status among our current major Marjas and Ayatollahs. 

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Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim  In The Name of Allaah The Most Gracious The Most Merciful.  As salaamu alaykum, The Peace (of Allaah) Be Upon You, everyone.

 

 

There seems no doubt, who is in the wrong in this conflict.  The so-called rebels, have shown that they do not represent Islam, time and again, with the slaughter of civilians, and molestation of women and children. Now, they have the Christians on the run...  

 

 

Bhttp://www.centurylink.net/news/read/category/Top%20News/article/ap-beleaguered_syrian_christians_fear_futur-ap  

 

 

 

 

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Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim  In The Name of Allaah The Most Gracious The Most Merciful.  As salaamu alaykum, The Peace (of Allaah) Be Upon You, everyone.

 

 

 

Salaam Malagniman.

 

(bismillah)

(salam)

After having seen the entire 7 episodes of the Movie, I have a question with regards to Ahmed Al Hassan who claims himself to be the vicegerent of Imam Mehdi  (as) . Also in the same very video i think many of our scholars have also been condemned. What is his status among our current major Marjas and Ayatollahs. 

 

There is a thread concerning Ahmed Al Hassan here:  http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?/topic/234979956-who-is-ahmad-al-hassan/

 

 

 

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(salam)

 

Assad's Baath party is not a sectarian party, in fact it is a seculair Arab Nationalist Party who has ministers from all religious backgrounds, yes including Sunni. There is no oppression of Sunni's in Syria and there never was, in fact you will find Sunni Mosques on almost every street corner and you will hear the Adhan 5 times a day. Sunni's are free like all other people in Syria to follow their religion. Therefor the propogating of Jihad on sectarian grounds in Syria by diverse Arab sattelit channels is in an agression against the Quran, since the Quran only gives permission for an armed Jihad in case people are evicted out of their houses and persecuted because of their religion, which clearly is NOT the case in Syria. The Syrian opprising started originally as a response on Assad's crackdown on demonstrations against his regime, but was quickly hijacked by diverse Sunni Arab Gulf states that turned it into a sectarian conflict and has put fuel on the fire by financing foreign Takfiri mercenaries to come to Syria and pursue a sectarian Sunni-Salafi agenda.

You should start to make the comparrison, how come that in Egypt when the militairy cracked down on peacefull demonstraters after the ousting of democratically choosen Morsi, kiiled over 800 people in just two days! (more than the initial deathtoll during the first Syrian demonstrations which sparked such an uproar in the Arab world).........how come these same advocates of "freedom" for the Sunni Muslims remained quiet? Why is there no "Free Egyptian Army" financed by these oil sheikhs? Why is the seat of Egypt in the Arab League not given to the democratically choosen Muslim Brotherhood as a protest from these "freedom loving" Arab states against the Egyptian slaughtering of peacefull unarmed demonstraters? Why do these Arab sattelite channels of hate not preach Jihad in Myanmar? In Myanmar Muslims are being driven out of their houses BECAUSE of their faith, the schoolbook text example for a justifeid Jihad.....yet they remain quiet!

Think, why is there no embargo against Egypt???? Well, it is very simple, Egypt buys US weapons and recognises the state of Israel. Syria buys Russian weapons and thus must be replaced by the "Free Syrian Army" that will buy US weapons and will stop supporting the resistance against Israel.

The two countries that are boycotted in the M-E are Iran and Syria both of them are the ONLY countries that support the resistance against Israel!.....a coincidence?    I don't think so!

 

 

please have humanity and use common sense

 

shia and sunni conflict is getting irreparable because of hezbollah and khamanei

 

your own ignorance and this forum is full of people why that is

 

so thousands of people killed and taken from there homes to killed and tortured had no right to fight back

 

the War started and free Syrian army was formed of those tens of thousands army defectors that you OMMIT

 

egypt army defections didnt happen but there still Attacks in Sinai and many cities are controlled by MB, egypt fighting still increasing day by day

 

lol Assad isn't sectarian yes it just happens that his alawites make up most of army officer corps yes and all the security positions and most of the wealthy people ok

 

i guess Saddam wasn't sectarian either

 

please dont bring up oil sheikhs they have nothing to do with Islam and nobody is defending them

 

i can turn around ask why is Iran warming relations with Myanmar and never condmening anything over there at least on Arab satellite channel this actually comes up

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please have humanity and use common sense

 

shia and sunni conflict is getting irreparable because of hezbollah and khamanei

 

your own ignorance and this forum is full of people why that is

 

so thousands of people killed and taken from there homes to killed and tortured had no right to fight back

 

the War started and free Syrian army was formed of those tens of thousands army defectors that you OMMIT

 

egypt army defections didnt happen but there still Attacks in Sinai and many cities are controlled by MB, egypt fighting still increasing day by day

 

lol Assad isn't sectarian yes it just happens that his alawites make up most of army officer corps yes and all the security positions and most of the wealthy people ok

 

i guess Saddam wasn't sectarian either

 

please dont bring up oil sheikhs they have nothing to do with Islam and nobody is defending them

 

i can turn around ask why is Iran warming relations with Myanmar and never condmening anything over there at least on Arab satellite channel this actually comes up

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The Ba'ath Party was founded by the Sunni politician Salah ad-Din al-Bitar, the Christian Michel Aflag and the Alewi Zaki al-Arsuzi, which clearly proofs it's seculair nature, can we say the same about the foreign Takfiri mercenaries???? Let me tell you about the Sunni tolerance in Syria. It was CONSTITUTIONALLY FORBIDDEN for a non-Sunni to become president of Syria untill Hafez al-Assad changed that in 1971. It was than that in the new constitution of 1973 the ethnic and religious minorities gained equal rights which up untill than didn't exist in this land where Sunni had more rights than others, what is so humane about that??? Assad secured a seculair government with freedom of religion, but it is an authoritarian state where political dissidents are not tolerated. In fact the Alewi religion is so secret that even the Alewi's don't know much about it, hence the attempts by Hafez al-Assad to Sunnify the Alewites in order to maintain unity in Syria (which was an unstable country from it's independance untill Asad's lead coup). For this same reason we see Bashar al-Asad praying like a Sunni in a Sunni Mosque for the Eid prayers. Also next to the seculair court system, Syria also recognises, by the 1973 constitution, the (Sunni) Shariah court for personal and family matters!!!!!! And again the Adhan resonates 5 times a day in Syria. So how in the name of God can those takfiri mercenaries who rape and dismember defenceless girls from Christian or Alevi descent speak of Jihad. When (according to Quran) Jihad is only allowed when you are prosecuted BECAUSE OF YOUR RELIGION!!!!! Explain this to me.

That Syria has a ruthless state apperatus and that people want to have more say in their government that I fully understand. But what has Jihad got to do with that???????? If one dictatorship has to be replaced by another one even more ruthless and oppressive, since those takfiri mercenaries do not only, like the present Ba'ath party, crackdown mercilessly on political dissidents, but also don't allow religious minorities to exist (just look at the murder of Alevi's and Shia in Syria by these sadists) or at best will treat them like sub-human. Than surely between those two evils Assad is the lesser evil one, which many ordinairy Syrians well understand, hence the majority of Syrian forces are made up by .......? yes? Sunni's! Don't you see how brainwashed you are by your Arab Sattelite Channels, who show those hidious acts by the Syrian Army and than calls on a Jihad against the Shia because of that whilest the majority of those Syrian soldiers are in fact Sunni!!!! Explain that to me. In fact there are hardly any 12er Shia in Syria. And if the Syrian Ba'ath Party is so sectarian than why oh why is Syria the only country that supports the Palestinian resistance against Israel, Hamas had it's headquarters in Damascus!!!!!!!!

And those oil-sheikhs have everything to do with it, because it is they that pay those foreign mercenaries their daily salary (which is exactly why they can rightly be called mercenaries and nothing else). It is those oil sheikh their sponsored hate channels that call upon a Jihad against Shia. But Hizbollah or Khamenei have never called for war against Sunnni's, in fact Iran is together with Syria the only country that support the armed struggle against Israel via Hamas and they are Sunni not Shia. So it is not Khamenei that is making the Shia Sunni rift irreparable, but those oil sheikhs with their mercenaries that started attacking and killing Syrian Shia and their Mosques, which is the only reason why Shia militia from Iraq and Lebanon entered the stage, since in this case the Shia are indeed prosecuted because of their religion in Syria but the Sunni aren't!!!!! And what are your Sunni brothers doing for your Sunni brothers in Palestine?......Why is Hamas now desperatly trying to heal their ties with Syria and Iran?????

I am no fan of Assad or any other oppressive dictator, but this is not about dictatorship or sectarianism (except for you). It is about world domination, it is about destabalising the Middle East so that the US can sell it's weapons, it is about the the west arming sadistic psychopaths shouting "Allah Akbar" with every limb they cut off from citizens with the "wrong" religion in order to enstall fear for "Islam" and thus turning the world's sympathy towards the Israeli's. It is about destroying the resistance against Israel. It is about making sure that Iran is unable to build that pipeline for oil and gas transportation through Iraq and Syria towards the Meditaranean coast, so that Turkey will have no competition with their US managed pipeline running from the Azeri gas and oil- fields to the Turkish Meditaranean coast.

And yes Khamenei has many times put the Muslim genocide in Myanmar on the agenda, but your Arab channels won't tell you that now, will they?

Yes, Assad is a ruthless dictator but their is a bigger picture which you through your sectarian hatred are to much blinded by to see. And if you think you "Jihadi's" in Syria are humane than clearly you have not taken the trouble to find out for yourself what these psychopaths are doing.

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The Ba'ath Party was founded by the Sunni politician Salah ad-Din al-Bitar, the Christian Michel Aflag and the Alewi Zaki al-Arsuzi, which clearly proofs it's seculair nature, can we say the same about the foreign Takfiri mercenaries???? Let me tell you about the Sunni tolerance in Syria. It was CONSTITUTIONALLY FORBIDDEN for a non-Sunni to become president of Syria untill Hafez al-Assad changed that in 1971. It was than that in the new constitution of 1973 the ethnic and religious minorities gained equal rights which up untill than didn't exist in this land where Sunni had more rights than others, what is so humane about that??? Assad secured a seculair government with freedom of religion, but it is an authoritarian state where political dissidents are not tolerated. In fact the Alewi religion is so secret that even the Alewi's don't know much about it, hence the attempts by Hafez al-Assad to Sunnify the Alewites in order to maintain unity in Syria (which was an unstable country from it's independance untill Asad's lead coup). For this same reason we see Bashar al-Asad praying like a Sunni in a Sunni Mosque for the Eid prayers. Also next to the seculair court system, Syria also recognises, by the 1973 constitution, the (Sunni) Shariah court for personal and family matters!!!!!! And again the Adhan resonates 5 times a day in Syria. So how in the name of God can those takfiri mercenaries who rape and dismember defenceless girls from Christian or Alevi descent speak of Jihad. When (according to Quran) Jihad is only allowed when you are prosecuted BECAUSE OF YOUR RELIGION!!!!! Explain this to me.

That Syria has a ruthless state apperatus and that people want to have more say in their government that I fully understand. But what has Jihad got to do with that???????? If one dictatorship has to be replaced by another one even more ruthless and oppressive, since those takfiri mercenaries do not only, like the present Ba'ath party, crackdown mercilessly on political dissidents, but also don't allow religious minorities to exist (just look at the murder of Alevi's and Shia in Syria by these sadists) or at best will treat them like sub-human. Than surely between those two evils Assad is the lesser evil one, which many ordinairy Syrians well understand, hence the majority of Syrian forces are made up by .......? yes? Sunni's! Don't you see how brainwashed you are by your Arab Sattelite Channels, who show those hidious acts by the Syrian Army and than calls on a Jihad against the Shia because of that whilest the majority of those Syrian soldiers are in fact Sunni!!!! Explain that to me. In fact there are hardly any 12er Shia in Syria. And if the Syrian Ba'ath Party is so sectarian than why oh why is Syria the only country that supports the Palestinian resistance against Israel, Hamas had it's headquarters in Damascus!!!!!!!!

And those oil-sheikhs have everything to do with it, because it is they that pay those foreign mercenaries their daily salary (which is exactly why they can rightly be called mercenaries and nothing else). It is those oil sheikh their sponsored hate channels that call upon a Jihad against Shia. But Hizbollah or Khamenei have never called for war against Sunnni's, in fact Iran is together with Syria the only country that support the armed struggle against Israel via Hamas and they are Sunni not Shia. So it is not Khamenei that is making the Shia Sunni rift irreparable, but those oil sheikhs with their mercenaries that started attacking and killing Syrian Shia and their Mosques, which is the only reason why Shia militia from Iraq and Lebanon entered the stage, since in this case the Shia are indeed prosecuted because of their religion in Syria but the Sunni aren't!!!!! And what are your Sunni brothers doing for your Sunni brothers in Palestine?......Why is Hamas now desperatly trying to heal their ties with Syria and Iran?????

I am no fan of Assad or any other oppressive dictator, but this is not about dictatorship or sectarianism (except for you). It is about world domination, it is about destabalising the Middle East so that the US can sell it's weapons, it is about the the west arming sadistic psychopaths shouting "Allah Akbar" with every limb they cut off from citizens with the "wrong" religion in order to enstall fear for "Islam" and thus turning the world's sympathy towards the Israeli's. It is about destroying the resistance against Israel. It is about making sure that Iran is unable to build that pipeline for oil and gas transportation through Iraq and Syria towards the Meditaranean coast, so that Turkey will have no competition with their US managed pipeline running from the Azeri gas and oil- fields to the Turkish Meditaranean coast.

And yes Khamenei has many times put the Muslim genocide in Myanmar on the agenda, but your Arab channels won't tell you that now, will they?

Yes, Assad is a ruthless dictator but their is a bigger picture which you through your sectarian hatred are to much blinded by to see. And if you think you "Jihadi's" in Syria are humane than clearly you have not taken the trouble to find out for yourself what these psychopaths are doing.

 

 

this is a typical Shia takfiri mentality

 

ofcourse anything sunnis do that go against the interest of shias is some grand conspiracy and sunnis are doing all the evil anyway while shia from assad to khamenei are saints 

 

i urge forum members shia to sunni to read my earlier post then read his response

 

see how warped this persons thinking is from reality

 

its why we will be in war for a long time

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(bismillah)

(salam)

 

this is a typical Shia takfiri mentality

 

ofcourse anything sunnis do that go against the interest of shias is some grand conspiracy and sunnis are doing all the evil anyway while shia from assad to khamenei are saints 

 

i urge forum members shia to sunni to read my earlier post then read his response

 

see how warped this persons thinking is from reality

 

its why we will be in war for a long time

Vice versa 

 

this is a typical Sunni takfiri mentality

 

ofcourse anything shias do that go against the interest of sunnies is some grand conspiracy and shias are doing all the evil anyway while sunies from Saudi Arab, Qatar to Bhrain are saints 

 
So what were your previous post and it says something worth meriting attention are:-

 a.    Shia and sunni conflict is getting irreparable because of hezbollah and khamanei.  

        # No i disagree, if current things have to taken into account then start reading Historical events since the fall of Ottoman Empire

 b.    your own ignorance and this forum is full of people why that is so thousands of people killed and taken from there homes to killed and tortured had no right to fight back

        #  History repeats itself nothing new. If i remember some Salah ud Din Ayubi or Tariq Bin Ziyad did something with alwaites, and further back read Apostates wars. This is nothing new and MB has a military wing since 1950s remember Assad Father was even more harsh with MB Militants. Of course i am not a supporter of Assad's neither as Pakistani i hardly knew about this, but since every tom , richard and harry has been pored in this war so at this time yeah lets give Assad and his tribe some support while their existence is once again threatened.

c.   Free Syrian army was formed of those tens of thousands army defectors that you OMMIT.

      # History repeats itself. Nothing new and even in early Islam this defection system has been narrated umm causes of Bait e Rizwan, many defected the Army of Imam Ali  (as) regrouped and fought against him, even if we look from Sunni perspective what were the causes of revolt against Uthman the 3rd Caliph. So your point if related to current defection then the movie clearly shows the use of Media and mass propaganda during war against Mumamar Qadafi, why don't you see it clearly that money makes the mayre go  :wacko:

 d.   Egypt army defections didn't happen but there still Attacks in Sinai and many cities are controlled by MB, egypt fighting still increasing day by day. 

       # MB has a known history of having Military wing aka terrorist wing so whats new and what is your point?

 e.  Assad is sectarian or non sectarian.

      # I think already answered by Bro Thabo.

 

 

 

Bro  Faithfully999 , Waalikum Assalam WR WB ... Thanks as well.

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(bismillah)

(salam)

 

Vice versa 

 

this is a typical Sunni takfiri mentality

 

ofcourse anything shias do that go against the interest of sunnies is some grand conspiracy and shias are doing all the evil anyway while sunies from Saudi Arab, Qatar to Bhrain are saints 

 
So what were your previous post and it says something worth meriting attention are:-

 a.    Shia and sunni conflict is getting irreparable because of hezbollah and khamanei.  

        # No i disagree, if current things have to taken into account then start reading Historical events since the fall of Ottoman Empire

 b.    your own ignorance and this forum is full of people why that is so thousands of people killed and taken from there homes to killed and tortured had no right to fight back

        #  History repeats itself nothing new. If i remember some Salah ud Din Ayubi or Tariq Bin Ziyad did something with alwaites, and further back read Apostates wars. This is nothing new and MB has a military wing since 1950s remember Assad Father was even more harsh with MB Militants. Of course i am not a supporter of Assad's neither as Pakistani i hardly knew about this, but since every tom , richard and harry has been pored in this war so at this time yeah lets give Assad and his tribe some support while their existence is once again threatened.

c.   Free Syrian army was formed of those tens of thousands army defectors that you OMMIT.

      # History repeats itself. Nothing new and even in early Islam this defection system has been narrated umm causes of Bait e Rizwan, many defected the Army of Imam Ali  (as) regrouped and fought against him, even if we look from Sunni perspective what were the causes of revolt against Uthman the 3rd Caliph. So your point if related to current defection then the movie clearly shows the use of Media and mass propaganda during war against Mumamar Qadafi, why don't you see it clearly that money makes the mayre go  :wacko:

 d.   Egypt army defections didn't happen but there still Attacks in Sinai and many cities are controlled by MB, egypt fighting still increasing day by day. 

       # MB has a known history of having Military wing aka terrorist wing so whats new and what is your point?

 e.  Assad is sectarian or non sectarian.

      # I think already answered by Bro Thabo.

 

 

 

Bro  Faithfully999 , Waalikum Assalam WR WB ... Thanks as well.

 

youve illustrated my point exactly

 

mass support among shias for saint bashar and his god given right to rule all of syria under alawism

 

didnt know bashar is caliph of the muslims to some shias

 

i didnt know even yazid ever destroyed entire cities  and used chemical weapons to keep his family in power

 

im trying to put solutions to end shia and sunni conflict and create unity or at least a truce to end these wars but hey if hezbollah supporting takfiri shias want assad as our caliph who should rule all then war will carry on

 

only on the day of judgment we would find out who was right if you lack common sense today

 

though alawis believe in reincarnation so it doesnt matter for them

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youve illustrated my point exactly

 

mass support among shias for saint bashar and his god given right to rule all of syria under alawism

 

didnt know bashar is caliph of the muslims to some shias

 

i didnt know even yazid ever destroyed entire cities  and used chemical weapons to keep his family in power

 

im trying to put solutions to end shia and sunni conflict and create unity or at least a truce to end these wars but hey if hezbollah supporting takfiri shias want assad as our caliph who should rule all then war will carry on

 

only on the day of judgment we would find out who was right if you lack common sense today

 

though alawis believe in reincarnation so it doesnt matter for them

 

You know what your problem is little grasshopper? that you cant see the world past shia-sunni.... actually its more of a handicap than a problem.

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Bashar al-Assad is not a saint.  He is not even a good person.  He is a dictator that needs to go.  However the only alternative right now is to hand Syria over to al-Qaeda and the Taliban and let them kill the 90% of the population (Shias, Alawites, Jews, Christians, and moderate Sunnis) that disagree with them.  Therefore, Bashar al-Assad has my complete support in this war.  If a future option arises where Syria can become a true republic, I would not hesitate to side with the other side.  But I would rather have a million Bashar's than a single Takfiri al-Qaeda terrorist whose stated mission is to kill Shias and Christians.  Seriously, watch some of the videos of the FSA.  Their entire chants revolve around killing Shias.  Did you see the FSA agent that ate a human heart?  Are these really the people that you want in charge?  Bro, you seem perfectly reasonable.  They would kill you too just because you came on ShiaChat.  You associated with the dirty Shias and refused to slaughter them, so they will slaughter you.  Is that really what you want to support?

 

Edit: As for the comparison to Yazeed, that's a bit ridiculous.  First of all, in regards to chemical weapons, there is significant doubt that they were used by Bashar al-Assad.  There is reliable evidence that points towards their use by the rebels (probably given to them by Saudi Arabia or Israel).  However, even if Bashar al-Assad was the one that used the chemical weapons, he has since turned them over to the "international community" thanks to Putin asking him too.  It can never happen again from Bashar's side--- those weapons are gone.  For Yazeed, he was not only a dictator like Bashar, but he actively fought against Islam and the family of RasulAllah (sawa).  Bashar, even though he might be an evil dictator that doesn't have a problem with collateral murder, he isn't exactly hunting down people of a certain religion and slaughtering them.  He certainly isn't trying to exterminate Islam from the hearts and minds of the people.  He is merely fighting the rebels that are fighting him.  Do I disagree with his methods?  Hell yes.  Civilians lives should be protected.  Always.  But, he is still better than the alternative.  The rebels have killed more civilians than he has.  The rebels are targeting specific groups of people based only on religion and ethnicity.  They are the greater of two evils.

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Bashar al-Assad is not a saint.  He is not even a good person.  He is a dictator that needs to go. 

 

I dont really understand this logic. Since he is a 'dictator' he needs to go and since he is performing his duty as the President of a sovereign country in defending his country from terrorists he is a bad person. We did not democratically elect our parents, religion, culture etc. Does that mean that they all have to go? What really should matter is what the person does- good or bad. And since Assad's presidency the living std of Syrians have gone up... a case that cannot be said about most democracies. Under dictator Gadaffi Libyans were living way more honourably than under the current cartoon of a democracy, Tunisia likewise. Believe me, if Afghanistan had someone brave and intelligent as President Assad today it would not have been in the shape that it is today. 

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I dont really understand this logic. Since he is a 'dictator' he needs to go and since he is performing his duty as the President of a sovereign country in defending his country from terrorists he is a bad person. We did not democratically elect our parents, religion, culture etc. Does that mean that they all have to go? What really should matter is what the person does- good or bad. And since Assad's presidency the living std of Syrians have gone up... a case that cannot be said about most democracies. Under dictator Gadaffi Libyans were living way more honourably than under the current cartoon of a democracy, Tunisia likewise. Believe me, if Afghanistan had someone brave and intelligent as President Assad today it would not have been in the shape that it is today. 

I agree with you.  I was speaking to his humans rights abuses.  I guess it was his father that was more notorious for being violent but he isn't an angel either. 

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You are just another wahabi retard. Please GTFO and go back to your beheading and raping women and then praying to GOD to give you heaven. You talk about unity yet cannot even dissect real fact from fiction. Even the non- biased white man, knows it was the turd rebels who used chemical weapons, get your ass out of the sand kiddo. I have spoken to many wahabis, they have no purpose in life, therefore as they cannot commit suicide, they decide to pick on a group, lets call them shia, and that way, they will get heaven and 72 virgins to procreate their balls out. IF you Wahabi scum were so righteous you would be up in arms and invading Israel, but they can't , as they will get ass raped within a few hours, like in 1967.

 

Reason why i wrote in this manner, because I am tired of listening to d u m b  a s s Wahhabis, who cannot even count to 10. Atheists. at least can dissect information better then these illiterate camel monkeys.

 

I have been to syria and many people I know who have been there for years. It was a nice place, until these CIA rebel stooges came in  to try and bring their s h i t t y father Sufyani to power.

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(bismillah)

(salam)

 

youve illustrated my point exactly

 

mass support among shias for saint bashar and his god given right to rule all of syria under alawism

 

Brother, Assad is not a Saint and my post was very clear that we aren't supporting his wrong actions. But since you were hell bend on throwing the blame on shias so we were trying to correct your very false notion. There is something knows as common sense and in my previous post, i disagreed with regards to your shia sunni conflict ideas and have given you a historical analogy, as your interpretation only from Shia Sunni point of view is wrong. Now i give you few more points:-

 

a.  Previously i referred to Apostates wars, and we all know the area was under control of Roman Empire, War between Romans and Iranian Empire, then came Islamic invasion. Historically they are all different tribes and their economic rivalry, sifting of Power House between Arab tribes of Mecca and Madina and all local tribes of the area, and historic external route for trade and likemind vested interests are factors which can not be ruled out.

 

b.  Second i was asking you to look the current crisis at least from the fall of Ottoman Empire. As it paved way for the traitors Aal e Saood to gain power in Saudi Arabia (according to Ahle Sunnah as well). Different factions gets divided,there came the Baath Parties and first to fall was Shah Iran. Failure in Israel early 70s, Iran Iraq war, followed by first Gulf War. Infact first Gulf War totally changed the political ethics and the American Saudi nexus began to emerge for uni power house. So how can we overlook all the historical rivalries. 

 

c.  What is the current pipe line issues, are they not economic ventures. 

 

d.  If there is no war, American and Western war munition factories producing tons of ammunition and earning billions every month will not function then. You are overlooking the same very factor.

 

e.  Since Iran revolution, Americans tried many things to control Iran (like Pakistan), but the revolutionary regime had been able to resist. But now there is some change in policies. (Iranian bros please don't mind its my own views) 

 

f.  Every country has her rights to guard against their enemies and in this process they make several allies and enemies too. So Iran did make Syrian their allies (remember Hamas and Hezbollah were fighting as one unit and Syrian were supporting them against Israel not quite a few years back). So its a regional politics why everyone giving it a new dimension of Shia Sunni conflict.

 

g.  Why Al Saoods who themselves are dictators, and their atrocities are not  less either if compared to Assad, are against Assad's Regime, but meanwhile support Military rule of Egypt. Still people are trying to call this conflict a shia sunni conflict.

 

h.  Also i did mentioned why Alwaites are harsh to defend their government and every piece of land, because there has been some historical facts like Salah Ud Din Ayubi or some other figured killed almost five time more than what is the total causalities in current two to three years of crisis.

 

 

Aforementioned facts are there but 

 

Yes, the movie clearly shows the barbaric crimes of those who came from outside to support this internal coup (Saudi Arab and Turkey investment) . Mass murders, eating of liver, spreading message of victory through movies and internet, that they are proud of killing locals, shiittes, Christians and destruction of shrines, and even digging the graves of Sahaba  (ra).

 

As you were fond of chanting Iran and Hezbollah came in, so bro for every action there is a reaction... Simple Law of Eisenstein.

 

Once these rebels were eating livers, slaughtering innocent people and sexually abusing the captive women, every one was clam, as they were gaining victories, but once same thing repulsed and they suffered defeats after defeats, why you and all others supporters of salafi / takfiri mentality are making so much hue and cry. 

 

Sheer double standards of you people is not understood.  Literally these things have forced neutral people like us to come to the current stance, which is in line with my previous post i quote again 

 i am not a supporter of Assad's neither as Pakistani, i hardly knew about this, but since every tom , richard and harry has been poured in this war,  lets give another chance to current Government to rebuild the confidence of the people, rebuilt the Syria which can be monitored through international committees but first lets kick out these liver eaters, man slaughters, mentally retarded sexual monsters out of Syria who are disgracing the very concept of Jihad and Islam. Yes original FSA should be given their right of surrender if they choose so.

 

 

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Bashar al-Assad is not a saint.  He is not even a good person.  He is a dictator that needs to go.  However the only alternative right now is to hand Syria over to al-Qaeda and the Taliban and let them kill the 90% of the population (Shias, Alawites, Jews, Christians, and moderate Sunnis) that disagree with them.  Therefore, Bashar al-Assad has my complete support in this war.  If a future option arises where Syria can become a true republic, I would not hesitate to side with the other side.  But I would rather have a million Bashar's than a single Takfiri al-Qaeda terrorist whose stated mission is to kill Shias and Christians.  Seriously, watch some of the videos of the FSA.  Their entire chants revolve around killing Shias.  Did you see the FSA agent that ate a human heart?  Are these really the people that you want in charge?  Bro, you seem perfectly reasonable.  They would kill you too just because you came on ShiaChat.  You associated with the dirty Shias and refused to slaughter them, so they will slaughter you.  Is that really what you want to support?

 

Edit: As for the comparison to Yazeed, that's a bit ridiculous.  First of all, in regards to chemical weapons, there is significant doubt that they were used by Bashar al-Assad.  There is reliable evidence that points towards their use by the rebels (probably given to them by Saudi Arabia or Israel).  However, even if Bashar al-Assad was the one that used the chemical weapons, he has since turned them over to the "international community" thanks to Putin asking him too.  It can never happen again from Bashar's side--- those weapons are gone.  For Yazeed, he was not only a dictator like Bashar, but he actively fought against Islam and the family of RasulAllah Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÂáå.  Bashar, even though he might be an evil dictator that doesn't have a problem with collateral murder, he isn't exactly hunting down people of a certain religion and slaughtering them.  He certainly isn't trying to exterminate Islam from the hearts and minds of the people.  He is merely fighting the rebels that are fighting him.  Do I disagree with his methods?  Hell yes.  Civilians lives should be protected.  Always.  But, he is still better than the alternative.  The rebels have killed more civilians than he has.  The rebels are targeting specific groups of people based only on religion and ethnicity.  They are the greater of two evils.

 

 

so basher and hezbollah can destroy entire cities of sunnis

 

start this war by massacring sunnis and anyone who opposes assad

 

but few shias killed by few rebels after so much massacrs and killings by assad means you support assad

 

this war is simple alqaeda vs assad when most groups have nothing to do with al qaeda are still part of FSA led by a christian

 

assads use of chemicals has been verified by common sense of all the witnesses and videos and evidence by humen rights watch and the UN evidence

 

famous analyst brakes it down simply with all the assad claims of he didnt use it

 

http://brown-moses.blogspot.co.uk/

 

ok

 

you want to define this war as assad vs al qaeda

 

it works the same way around, ordinery people masacred by by this tyrant and hezbollah for simply wanting a state the represents them all are all al qaeda and wahhabi NOW

 

even if some oppostion was al aqaeda the fact they would want to kill every shia is stupid, ofcourse as assad and hezbollah are killing so much sunni which justfies there use to be indiscriminate when they attack but that simply has not happened in syria otherwise you would get reports of so many shias killed everyday

 

assads massacres are thousand to one of any faction of the rebels that have killed after so much killings by assad

 

this evidenced by all international groups and common sense of assad and hezbollah using artillery on cities and carpet bombing everyday as the videos show

 

syria is where shias betreyed sunnis

 

though i dont want to ever say a general statement i mean the fact IRAN and HEZBOLLAH are taking part in this genocide of sunnis represents maybe a majority of shias

 

al qaeda or anybody represnts at most ten percent of sunnis if you exagerate

 

just want this war to end, theres people bad on both sides but Assad is simply beyond the point of things that make people think how can anybody support this monster and claim to be muslim after destroying his country SO he ALONE can rule in LUXURY as a KING

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(bismillah)

(salam)

 

 

Brother, Assad is not a Saint and my post was very clear that we aren't supporting his wrong actions. But since you were hell bend on throwing the blame on shias so we were trying to correct your very false notion. There is something knows as common sense and in my previous post, i disagreed with regards to your shia sunni conflict ideas and have given you a historical analogy, as your interpretation only from Shia Sunni point of view is wrong. Now i give you few more points:-

 

a.  Previously i referred to Apostates wars, and we all know the area was under control of Roman Empire, War between Romans and Iranian Empire, then came Islamic invasion. Historically they are all different tribes and their economic rivalry, sifting of Power House between Arab tribes of Mecca and Madina and all local tribes of the area, and historic external route for trade and likemind vested interests are factors which can not be ruled out.

 

b.  Second i was asking you to look the current crisis at least from the fall of Ottoman Empire. As it paved way for the traitors Aal e Saood to gain power in Saudi Arabia (according to Ahle Sunnah as well). Different factions gets divided,there came the Baath Parties and first to fall was Shah Iran. Failure in Israel early 70s, Iran Iraq war, followed by first Gulf War. Infact first Gulf War totally changed the political ethics and the American Saudi nexus began to emerge for uni power house. So how can we overlook all the historical rivalries. 

 

c.  What is the current pipe line issues, are they not economic ventures. 

 

d.  If there is no war, American and Western war munition factories producing tons of ammunition and earning billions every month will not function then. You are overlooking the same very factor.

 

e.  Since Iran revolution, Americans tried many things to control Iran (like Pakistan), but the revolutionary regime had been able to resist. But now there is some change in policies. (Iranian bros please don't mind its my own views) 

 

f.  Every country has her rights to guard against their enemies and in this process they make several allies and enemies too. So Iran did make Syrian their allies (remember Hamas and Hezbollah were fighting as one unit and Syrian were supporting them against Israel not quite a few years back). So its a regional politics why everyone giving it a new dimension of Shia Sunni conflict.

 

g.  Why Al Saoods who themselves are dictators, and their atrocities are not  less either if compared to Assad, are against Assad's Regime, but meanwhile support Military rule of Egypt. Still people are trying to call this conflict a shia sunni conflict.

 

h.  Also i did mentioned why Alwaites are harsh to defend their government and every piece of land, because there has been some historical facts like Salah Ud Din Ayubi or some other figured killed almost five time more than what is the total causalities in current two to three years of crisis.

 

 

Aforementioned facts are there but 

 

Yes, the movie clearly shows the barbaric crimes of those who came from outside to support this internal coup (Saudi Arab and Turkey investment) . Mass murders, eating of liver, spreading message of victory through movies and internet, that they are proud of killing locals, shiittes, Christians and destruction of shrines, and even digging the graves of Sahaba  (ra).

 

As you were fond of chanting Iran and Hezbollah came in, so bro for every action there is a reaction... Simple Law of Eisenstein.

 

Once these rebels were eating livers, slaughtering innocent people and sexually abusing the captive women, every one was clam, as they were gaining victories, but once same thing repulsed and they suffered defeats after defeats, why you and all others supporters of salafi / takfiri mentality are making so much hue and cry. 

 

Sheer double standards of you people is not understood.  Literally these things have forced neutral people like us to come to the current stance, which is in line with my previous post i quote again 

 i am not a supporter of Assad's neither as Pakistani, i hardly knew about this, but since every tom , richard and harry has been poured in this war,  lets give another chance to current Government to rebuild the confidence of the people, rebuilt the Syria which can be monitored through international committees but first lets kick out these liver eaters, man slaughters, mentally retarded sexual monsters out of Syria who are disgracing the very concept of Jihad and Islam. Yes original FSA should be given their right of surrender if they choose so.

 

 

:yaali: 

 

the gulf lot have very little to do with syria and have given nothing because the US who doesnt to arm rebels who are anti-western

 

qatar is the only country thats different they supported Morsi and syrian rebels

 

and you contradict your own self if you define the opposition as alaqeda who hates gulf a lot more

 

a majority of the rebels are brotherhood who hate gulf leaders too

 

by all evidence as syrian groups put out videos everyday and theres so many independent people putting out videos GULF have given nothing to syrian rebels that changes the war, didnt even supply any weapons beyond a few shipments of old rpgs to few nationalist rebels

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^ How does it feel to get butt whopped by army of Allah? I was following few of wahabi blogs and wow you guys were delusional. Talking about eradicating Shia's and wiping Iran off map. Allah humiliated you to the point that all world (except Iran and Russia) were with takfiris with unlimited funds and still got defeated.

As most analysts have said: Saudi, Qatar and Turkey were the big players. Saudi and Qatar will pay financially, while Turkey will pay with money and worse since thats the route Takfiris took to enter Syria and that is the same route they have to take to leave Syria. And we all know they arent leaving anytime soon. 

Get ready for Turkey to get it hard from Takfiris. While wahabis/takfiris (sunnis are good people) who have nothing to do with Islam are going to get humiliated again.

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^ How does it feel to get butt whopped by army of Allah? I was following few of wahabi blogs and wow you guys were delusional. Talking about eradicating Shia's and wiping Iran off map. Allah humiliated you to the point that all world (except Iran and Russia) were with takfiris with unlimited funds and still got defeated.

As most analysts have said: Saudi, Qatar and Turkey were the big players. Saudi and Qatar will pay financially, while Turkey will pay with money and worse since thats the route Takfiris took to enter Syria and that is the same route they have to take to leave Syria. And we all know they arent leaving anytime soon. 

Get ready for Turkey to get it hard from Takfiris. While wahabis/takfiris (sunnis are good people) who have nothing to do with Islam are going to get humiliated again.

 

assads army is army of Allah ok

 

as far as alawis believe its the army of the god ali nauzubillah whose represtitive on earth is Assad

 

yes anybody that doesnt worship your god bashar is a takfiri

 

who and hezbollah should be allowed to destroy entire cities so this god can remain in power

 

the world is so simple

 

except your own delusion will destroy you

 

some people are far of any shia creed as they are sunni

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assads army is army of Allah ok

 

as far as alawis believe its the army of the god ali nauzubillah whose represtitive on earth is Assad

 

yes anybody that doesnt worship your god bashar is a takfiri

 

who and hezbollah should be allowed to destroy entire cities so this god can remain in power

 

the world is so simple

 

except your own delusion will destroy you

 

some people are far of any shia creed as they are sunni

There is only one army of Allah, Hezbollah. 

 

The specific definition of a Takfiri is:

 

Muslim who accuses another Muslim of apostasy.

Middle East expert Robert Baer has written that "takfiri generally refers to a Sunni Muslim who looks at the world in black-and-white; there are true believers and then there are nonbelievers, with no shades in between. A takfiri's mission is to re-create the Caliphate according to a literal interpretation of the Qur'an."

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There is only one army of Allah, Hezbollah. 

 

The specific definition of a Takfiri is:

 

Muslim who accuses another Muslim of apostasy.

Middle East expert Robert Baer has written that "takfiri generally refers to a Sunni Muslim who looks at the world in black-and-white; there are true believers and then there are nonbelievers, with no shades in between. A takfiri's mission is to re-create the Caliphate according to a literal interpretation of the Qur'an."

 

lol Why are you bothering? Anyone who supports cannibals who massacre children, behead innocent people, try to overthrow a government because it's not a puppet of America and Israel, commit zina sex 'jihad', etc. is less than a human. And they try and justifying it by saying "bashar al assad is a bad bad man" and "we're doing da jihadz we iz soldurs of Islam" LMAO. Half of them are inbred and the other half are children of zina. Don't waste your time.

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