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What Do You Think The World Without Currency ?


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What do you think the world without currency ?

 

Condition :

 

1. People/human do orderly what is the required for human to live according to what Allah SWT ordered human to manage the world (khalifah).

 

2. We as family can provide food etc for our family, why can not human as a whole family of the descendant of Adam as ?

 

3. Every basic required for living, food, school etc is provided by human themselves.

 

4. Heaven on earth.

 

5. No economy.

 

Requirement :

 

1. Trustable, akhlaqful and responsible human being without pamrih/purpose of benefit in return.

 

2. No greediness.

 

Is this possible ?

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An economy is due to the fact that resources are always limited, the only way to build up those resources to take care of everyone is to allow people to innovate as people have done for many years (farming now employs tractors and mass seeding rather than ox and hoes, etc.), if we merely 'shared' things without any understanding of how those things came about there would not just be no economy but no humanity.

 

The Prophet and the Imams clearly engaged in economic transaction, they encouraged loans without interest, and it is universally known that The Prophet (peace be upon him and his family) was a merchant, Imam Ali also engaged in business and the Qur'an talks about economics without any negativity.

"...and Allah has allowed trading and forbidden usury..." (2:275)

Currency is just a way to engage in trade without it being made overly difficult, currency is not what causes greed do you think that by removing currency you would somehow change the state of human beings?
 

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An economy is due to the fact that resources are always limited, the only way to build up those resources to take care of everyone is to allow people to innovate as people have done for many years (farming now employs tractors and mass seeding rather than ox and hoes, etc.), if we merely 'shared' things without any understanding of how those things came about there would not just be no economy but no humanity.

 

The Prophet and the Imams clearly engaged in economic transaction, they encouraged loans without interest, and it is universally known that The Prophet (peace be upon him and his family) was a merchant, Imam Ali also engaged in business and the Qur'an talks about economics without any negativity.

"...and Allah has allowed trading and forbidden usury..." (2:275)

Currency is just a way to engage in trade without it being made overly difficult, currency is not what causes greed do you think that by removing currency you would somehow change the state of human beings?

 

Thank you for the response. Please do not change my post. The two requirement of the state of human being is the first to solve, not otherwise, i.e. without currency will change the state of human beings.

 

Finding the way to meet the requirement on my post needs more spread, disseminate, propagate the teaching of Ahlul Bayt as and their Itrah. In order human to have an appreciation, interest, and admit the truth of the teaching of Ahlul Bayt as and their Itrah, I post this one of the condition, situation of the goal on earth/dunia, i.e. without currency.

Of course, there will be refutation, disadvantage, but we human have an aql to solve problems. And of course, I also do not know the detail of this journey. If you live in USA, tap water for drinking is available freely in most cities. Then how about food, cloth, etc ? Can it be provided free too ?

 

This is only my aql, experience and a bit knowledge of an era of Imam Mahdi as, i.e. it is hard for human to give zakat, khums, sadaqah etc, because everyhuman has already fulfilled all their worldly necessity.

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No one person can do everything. I can repair a broken car, but I struggle to raise a garden. We need trade. Currency is simpler and more fair than bartering. But we can cut the corruption and greed out of our money, and we can share resources with those unfortunate individuals who are unable to provide for themselves.

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No one person can do everything. I can repair a broken car, but I struggle to raise a garden. We need trade. Currency is simpler and more fair than bartering. But we can cut the corruption and greed out of our money, and we can share resources with those unfortunate individuals who are unable to provide for themselves.

 

Or, I can ask and state from other angle to make my intention more clear :

1. Do we still need human made paper, electronic currency now and in the advent of Imam Mahdi as ?

2. Human has already experiencing bartering system, i am asking for the next ideal.

3. Hypotethically, try to release all your boundary conditions right now in current system, i.e. you do not need money, credit card to fulfill your needs. Or, assuming all banking systems collaps, i.e. paper money manufacturer shutdown.

4. Are you feeling offended if i say that only human :

a. who enjoys the benefit of money, and keeps other unprivileged, unlucky human exist,

b. who has struggled earning money, and suddenly informed that money is not needed anymore because everything needed by having money is available freely.

c. who own, control and taking a privilege in the money/economic system of the world since its establishment.

are opposing to the idea of abolition of money/economic system.

5. Do you think jannah/paradise or jahannam/hell in the hereafter/akhirat will use currency system ?

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The water provided in the U.S. is full of minerals and chemicals (at least in my state) I personally use a water filter because I don't think water should taste like pennies, and besides water is never free in the United States because people still pay for it through taxes.

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http://www.capitalisminstitute.org/principles-of-economics/

 

The 10 Principles of Economics You Should Know
 


 

Economics is the study of human behavior — of how people interact to get what they want and whether what they want is possible for them to get. It’s a science in the sense that there are uniform laws guiding the field of economics — invisible forces at work that guide the market. But it’s not a science in many ways, because it involves peoples’ decisions, which are anything but scientifically predictable.

When approaching economics, it’s incredibly important to understand that the first step is to know what to look for — natural laws guiding human behavior, society’s production, individual trade, and wealth building itself. In other words, the study of economics is simply the study of economic principles and their application. That’s about it.

This, of course, just begs the question: what are the principles of economics? Below are list of 10 basic economic principles, inspired by great economists like Henry Hazlitt, Adam Smith, and Greg Mankiew.

The 10 Fundamental Principles of Economics:
  1. People respond to incentives.
  2. People face trade offs.
  3. Rational people think within the margin.
  4. Free trade is perceived mutual benefit.
  5. The invisible hand allows for indirect trade.
  6. Coercion magnifies market inefficiency.
  7. Capital magnifies market efficiency.
  8. Supply and demand magnify resource efficiency.
  9. There’s no such thing as a free lunch.
  10. Desires are infinite; resources are finite.

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The 10 Undeniable Principles of Economics Explained:
  • People respond to incentivesThis is an unavoidable concept found in human behavior. It’s just how people function. We respond to incentives. Incentives aren’t necessarily “selfish” in the traditional sense, but they all appeal to our values — whether conscious or subconscious. Examples would be accepting a job to make money, donating to charity to help the poor, going to church to learn about God — anything where we essentially do what we want. People respond to incentives.
  • People face trade offs. It’s impossible to get everything you want at the exact same time. It’s impossible for me to sleep all day and work all day. It’s impossible for me to grill a steak at home while also dine at Olive Garden. This means people face trade offs. We have to trade one thing for another thing — there’s no other option. This is why people often barter with others. People are willing to trade 7 years of college work for the ability to become a lawyer, lot’s of money for a house, and pretty much every other choice in life. People face trade offs.
  • Rational people think within the margin. Thinking within the margins means trying to get the best result. In other words, if you have the option of choosing a good car or a perfect car, the rational choice is the perfect car. All things being equal, the better option is better. Thinking within the margins is essentially believing in net benefits — focusing on the best thing possible. Rational people think within the margins.
  • Free trade is perceived mutual benefit. When people trade in a free market, it’s because they are both responding to peaceful incentives. For example, an employee trades time for money because they want money. An employer trades money for labor because they want the labor. Both sides are acting in a way that they think benefits them as much as peacefully possible. This is true for all trades. People buy stuff because they’re reacting to incentives. This is a critical concept, especially when we mix it with the above principle of rational people thinking within the margin. People act in a way they think benefits them.
  • The invisible hand allows for indirect trade. The invisible hand is the market force that does what no individual could do on his own. For example, no single country on earth has all of the resources and industry necessary for the creation of a single pencil. It takes a dozen companies and several countries working together through trade to make that pencil. Not all of those who contribute to the creation of the pencil will ever meet or even know of each other — that’s why it’s referred to as the miracle of the invisible hand. The market does more on it’s own than any individual can possibly do on his own because the invisible hand allows for indirect trade.
  • Coercion magnifies market inefficiency. The invisible hand operates through the free market. That is, through people acting in a way that benefits them. The people mining lead, for example, aren’t doing it because they’re thinking about your ability to use a pencil. They don’t even know where the lead they’re mining is going. They’re acting on the basis of the free market, and the free market’s invisible hand is taking care of the rest. Using coercion — that is, manipulating the incentives people respond to — focuses on less production and more exploitation. What this means is that instead of everyone focusing on how to peacefully produce and trade for as much as possible, it changes the rules so that it’s possible to just take or force others to give you what you want. This makes about as much sense as a farmer eating his milk cow. The more coercion in a market, the less efficient it is. For examples of this in action, just look at any socialized nation in the history of mankind. Coercion magnifies market inefficiency.
  • Capital magnifies market efficiency. Capital is the magic behind the invisible hand. It allows people who have never met to barter. Capitalism is essentially juiced up barter economy. A pig farmer is trading pigs for stuff at Wal Mart — he’s just using currency for the sake of making the bartering more efficient. The existence of capital means that you can produce one thing, earn money, and trade that money for something else entirely — without the person you’re trading with needing to accept what you’re producing. Capital is an ingenious method of allowing anyone to trade with anyone, as long as both are productive people who produce more than they consume. Capital magnifies market efficiency.
  • Supply and demand magnify resource efficiency. Market forces work so that if there’s a demand for something as well as a potential supply of it, the market will try to unleash the supply to meet the demand. This will eventually lead to market equilibrium where the demands are quenched as much as possible by the market. This is honestly just an end conclusion of the very first principle of economics — people respond to incentives. Making money filling market demands is an incentive that nearly everyone reacts to during their lives.
  • There’s no such thing as a free lunch. This is a simple concept. Nothing is free. All wealth must be earned. You can’t use black magic economics to create something out of nothing. Every bit of wealth has to be earned. Welfare gets the money from someone. Government spending takes money from somewhere. Even if one person benefits without paying for it, someone else has to pay for it. There’s no such thing as a free lunch.
  • Desires are infinite. Resources are finite. We don’t live in a magical world where stuff is created from nothing. Everything that is produced is based on a complicated, long train of trade offs. The question isn’t whether we can judge each trade off individually — the question is how we determine to make those trade offs. People who support socialized medicine often completely miss this basic concept, and believe that capitalists just want the poor to die or stay sick. This is absurd. There are only so many doctors and nurses — the question is how to take what we have and disburse it in a manner that doesn’t cause rationing and inefficiency. That’s why socialized medicine always creates health slavery and rationing. It’s not “free”, because nothing is free.

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Here is the story from my teacher :

There is a [Edited Out] who intend to kill the oppressive king who does many destruction to human being. He/it move through the river. Floating above the water, he/it goes to the king palace.

One day, he meet an eel. The eel asks the [Edited Out], “Where are you going ?” The [Edited Out] answers “I am going to kill this oppressive king”. So the eel asks to join and help him/it/the [Edited Out]. So, the [Edited Out] allows, and the eel accompanies him/it. They are together going to the palace.

Another day there is a hedgehog/porcupine. And the same scene happens until the three, the [Edited Out], the eel and the hedgehog, go together to the king palace to kill him/the oppressive king.

The day come when they see the king’s palace. They are planning and setting up the program to kill this oppressive king.

Leaping the detail of the plan, we see this scene :

The king is taking an apple to be devoured. He realize something wrong with the apple as it has bad smell and some [Edited Out] smears the apple. He gets very angry but nobody in his room. So he hurrily goes to washroom to clean his hand. Not realizing there is an eel in front of the washroom door, he slips down. His head goes down to the floor where there is a hedgehog waiting his face.

Then, you can expect what happen to the king, he was killed by the hedgehog, beginning the cause by the [Edited Out].

What is the moral of this story, eventhough my teacher never communicate the learning from the story. At the time he told the story, we, his students, always smile and laugh about this [Edited Out] goes to kill the king. I never know the moral of the story until now.

 So, maybe i assume i myself as a [Edited Out] (a [Edited Out] to human, as nobody like me) to kill the king. The king is capitalism.

So this [Edited Out] writing a post in shiachat to wait for an eel and hedgehog.

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?/topic/235018303-what-is-capitalism/

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?/topic/235018025-what-do-you-think-the-world-without-currency/

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What do you think the world without currency ?

 

Condition :

 

1. People/human do orderly what is the required for human to live according to what Allah SWT ordered human to manage the world (khalifah).

 

2. We as family can provide food etc for our family, why can not human as a whole family of the descendant of Adam as ?

 

3. Every basic required for living, food, school etc is provided by human themselves.

 

4. Heaven on earth.

 

5. No economy.

 

Requirement :

 

1. Trustable, akhlaqful and responsible human being without pamrih/purpose of benefit in return.

 

2. No greediness.

 

Is this possible ?

 

I've research this matter a bit in the past, and the answer is no it is not possible.

 

First of all the supply of any resources is always finite, so you'll always have a need to price things.  So money is necessary.

 

So the question is, what type of money is good.

 

A type of money that is controlled by a few and can be typed up magically, at the expense of having future unborn children of a society as collateral...

and the first people who get these fresh money (before it decays in value)

are people in the financial services, entertainment, gambling, alcohol, ...etc. sectors.

 

OR

 

a type of money that no one knows how to create

and it is hidden in the mountains and requires hard work, courage, ambition, adventurism, science, ingenuity, invention, technology, ...etc. to dig them out

 

 

I say the latter is better, because it helps push society forward in terms of acquiring knowledge about our world.

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If you live in USA, tap water for drinking is available freely in most cities. Then how about food, cloth, etc ? Can it be provided free too ?

 

No it's not free...

 

in some cases... it's free for some, but for others they're forced to pay for it with taxes

 

in other cases,... it APPEARS to be free, but in reality, it's payed for by magically creating money, or borrowing money from productive nations abroad on the basis that the unborn future generation is the collateral for the loan

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a type of money that no one knows how to create

and it is hidden in the mountains and requires hard work, courage, ambition, adventurism, science, ingenuity, invention, technology, ...etc. to dig them out

 

 

I say the latter is better, because it helps push society forward in terms of acquiring knowledge about our world.

I am not considering yet about the first case, i.e. corrupt money system. And this is why human fighting phisically (war), and mentally (politic) for survival. Survival is keyword here, wether phisical survival (save, win in this dunya and got decent/luxury live) or mental survival (save, win at the end in akhirat which is true winning).

 

 

The second case you tell is about gold, silver or metal money. Also this made human fighting phisically and mentally as above.

 

I heard the paper money (at least from my knowledge of the paper money in my country) is made with different contents each from different country in order to detect it is not counterfit.

 

Please continue the discussion, so we can accumulate the knowledge of the current system.

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I would like to add after little discussion with some of my friend :

 

1. If we donot use money anymore and everything is provided, then what is our purpose in life.

Islam tells us many things about what is the purpose of life, one is to submit in worship to One Allah SWT.

 

2. The spirit, the basis is "giving" to all human being not for the self.

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In Islam there are pointers that can prove that economy as we know it, which includes currency, is accepted and even considered a good thing.

 

For one thing, Allah swt has acknowledged selling and trade in the following verses:

  1. و احل الله البیع و حرم الربا  And Allah has allowed selling and forbade usury.
  2. لا تاکلوا اموالکم بینکم بالباطل الا ان تکون تجارة عن تراض  Don't eat each other's belongings among yourselves by the wrong means, unless it is a trade based on mutual agreement.

 

Then we have many many ahadith that encourage mominin to go and trade, buy and sell things, and make the life of themselves and their families better. 

 

Then there is the ruling of Zakat which is based on having money and belongings for yourself - and also gathering so much of it.

 

Then we have some ahadith that say the people in the time of Imam Mahdi will be so wealthy that everyone gives away a lot of money as Zakat, but there is no one to use it because there is no poor nor needy.

 

...

So you see, even in the great time of Imam Mahdi people would still collect money for themselves and that is most likely through currency.

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In Islam there are pointers that can prove that economy as we know it, which includes currency, is accepted and even considered a good thing.

 

For one thing, Allah swt has acknowledged selling and trade in the following verses:

  1. و احل الله البیع و حرم الربا  And Allah has allowed selling and forbade usury.
  2. لا تاکلوا اموالکم بینکم بالباطل الا ان تکون تجارة عن تراض  Don't eat each other's belongings among yourselves by the wrong means, unless it is a trade based on mutual agreement.

 

Then we have many many ahadith that encourage mominin to go and trade, buy and sell things, and make the life of themselves and their families better. 

 

Then there is the ruling of Zakat which is based on having money and belongings for yourself - and also gathering so much of it.

 

Then we have some ahadith that say the people in the time of Imam Mahdi will be so wealthy that everyone gives away a lot of money as Zakat, but there is no one to use it because there is no poor nor needy.

 

...

So you see, even in the great time of Imam Mahdi people would still collect money for themselves and that is most likely through currency.

Wrong conclusion !!!

 

From your post :

 

"everyone gives away a lot of money as Zakat, but there is no one to use it because there is no poor nor needy."

 

The right conclusion is there is no use of money because everybody have money and do not need it anymore !

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Wrong conclusion !!!

 

From your post :

 

"everyone gives away a lot of money as Zakat, but there is no one to use it because there is no poor nor needy."

 

The right conclusion is there is no use of money because everybody have money and do not need it anymore !

 

Having money is the result of money being used.

How could anyone have money, if there's no currency?

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Having money is the result of money being used.

How could anyone have money, if there's no currency?

No, now we have currency. Then as you said "Then we have some ahadith that say the people in the time of Imam Mahdi will be so wealthy that everyone gives away a lot of money as Zakat, but there is no one to use it because there is no poor nor needy.".

 

Why is there no one to use money ?

 

Why is there no poor nor needy ?

 

What is the situation at that time do you think ?

 

My think :

Unless not many people left on earth because of nuclear war or other cause, human on earth know what is the goodness for human being in accordance to their Creator so that blessing upon earth will be flourish and abundance. (I believe there is ayat in Al Qur'an concerning the requirement for this blessing, but i do not know where and what).

So then nobody will need currency because all human needs will be provided by the Imam Mahdi governance.

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Wrong conclusion !!!

 

From your post :

 

"everyone gives away a lot of money as Zakat, but there is no one to use it because there is no poor nor needy."

 

The right conclusion is there is no use of money because everybody have money and do not need it anymore !

 

I think the conclusions are the same . you have only changed the word "no poor nor needy" to " people do not need money".So could you explain to me that what is the difference between them that you believe the second is the right one not the first?? 

By the way regarding to the main topic I believe that the problems which made you come to such an opinion could also be solved with money.If people act according to what Allah swt said including what you mentioned in your first post we will have a very pure acceptable  economy, politics,culture, etc.Granted we take money out if our lives I assure you we would face other troubles in other fields.

Just have a glance at the billions of issues which are in trail's  procedure waiting for justice. How many percent of them are related to economy?     

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I think the conclusions are the same . you have only changed the word "no poor nor needy" to " people do not need money".So could you explain to me that what is the difference between them that you believe the second is the right one not the first?? 

By the way regarding to the main topic I believe that the problems which made you come to such an opinion could also be solved with money.If people act according to what Allah swt said including what you mentioned in your first post we will have a very pure acceptable  economy, politics,culture, etc.Granted we take money out if our lives I assure you we would face other troubles in other fields.

Just have a glance at the billions of issues which are in trail's  procedure waiting for justice. How many percent of them are related to economy?     

Money is just a tool for exchanging goods. If goods is available everywhere, you just grab it without money.

His (Salman H) conclusion that i said wrong is :

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So you see, even in the great time of Imam Mahdi people would still collect money for themselves and that is most likely through currency.

 

But it is likely to happen in an initial governance of Imam Mahdi.

 

 

My post #21.

Unless not many people left on earth because of nuclear war or other cause, human on earth know what is the goodness for human being in accordance to their Creator so that blessing upon earth will be flourish and abundance. (I believe there is ayat in Al Qur'an concerning the requirement for this blessing, but i do not know where and what).

So then nobody will need currency because all human needs will be provided by the Imam Mahdi governance.

 

The crucial word is flourish and abundance. And human have success in eliminating their worry, stingy, unbelieving other human.

 

And here comes with imaginary, but probably possible scenario :

How about growing apple trees or other trees just 1 hour, or 1 day, or 1 week, or 1 month.

You can travel everywhere in the world in just a blink of an eye.

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What do you think the world without currency ?

 

Condition :

 

1. People/human do orderly what is the required for human to live according to what Allah SWT ordered human to manage the world (khalifah).

 

2. We as family can provide food etc for our family, why can not human as a whole family of the descendant of Adam as ?

 

3. Every basic required for living, food, school etc is provided by human themselves.

 

4. Heaven on earth.

 

5. No economy.

 

Requirement :

 

1. Trustable, akhlaqful and responsible human being without pamrih/purpose of benefit in return.

 

2. No greediness.

 

Is this possible ?

 

OP how about we go back to the drawing board on everything human civilization has managed to produce  so far, I've always opposed to those circular shaped wheels, square ones look much better, might be a little bumpy though! :)

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No, now we have currency. Then as you said "Then we have some ahadith that say the people in the time of Imam Mahdi will be so wealthy that everyone gives away a lot of money as Zakat, but there is no one to use it because there is no poor nor needy.".

 

Why is there no one to use money ?

 

Why is there no poor nor needy ?

 

What is the situation at that time do you think ?

 

My think :

Unless not many people left on earth because of nuclear war or other cause, human on earth know what is the goodness for human being in accordance to their Creator so that blessing upon earth will be flourish and abundance. (I believe there is ayat in Al Qur'an concerning the requirement for this blessing, but i do not know where and what).

So then nobody will need currency because all human needs will be provided by the Imam Mahdi governance.

 

Now I see the source of confusion. I didn't mean there's no one to use money, but there is no one to use "Zakat"! Of course there is money and there is individual property. Money is there forever because it differentiates jobs and makes man work more. And only in that case you can say: "The more a man works, the more money he gets."

If no one is given anything in return for what he or she does and they only get what they need, how can they pay Zakat? Isn't Zakat for when you have so many of something, for example gold or silver?

What I think about that time is that any type of resources would be available in large amount due to Allah's help and Imam Mahdi's authority. Human resources are also well available because of people's desire to work, regardless of their income. There is no leak or deficiency in jobs and resources because of people's commitment and faith. The quality of the jobs done is great as a result of people's intellectual growth. And everyone would give away the Zakat of their properties, from wheat to sheep to gold and silver, which is an accepted Islamic currency.

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Paradise has indefinite resources given to you by Allah (SWT), so no, there is no money, in fact there is no trade at all. People trade because they are in need or want of something, in Paradise needs and wants are met for you. So then, currency and trade are needed here to facilitate the peaceful gathering of resources.

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Paradise has indefinite resources given to you by Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì, so no, there is no money, in fact there is no trade at all. People trade because they are in need or want of something, in Paradise needs and wants are met for you. So then, currency and trade are needed here to facilitate the peaceful gathering of resources.

 

Ok, you understand now what is my base of thinking.

 

Then, the next question :

 

Is it possible to resemble this world right now as Paradise, at least to the things you are characterizing, i.e. indefinite resource.

 

Is it possible to achieve this indefinite resource ?

 

If yes, how ?  Is there prerequisite to be fulfilled ? Please explain.

 

If no, why ? Is there impossible prerequisite to be fulfilled ? Please explain.

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Will Heaven/Paradise/Jannah utilize money ?

 

If yes, i give up this thread.

 

If no, is it possible this world resembling Heaven/Paradise/Jannah ?

 

The difference between Heaven and here is that in heaven you get an infinite reward and whatever you wish comes true right away. You get, even more than you can dream of now. So you won't go to anybody else. More than plenty of everything is a provided wherever you step.

 

What we have in this world is different. Best case scenario is that so many of resources could be found, then you have to go and get them, as much as you want, because of the many resources the prices will be cheap and everything will be almost free. Yet you can't have anything you want. If you want something that you don't have you have two options, either to go mining for example, or to ask someone to give you, which could be in two ways, either in return for free which is completely against the ethical teachings of our religion, or in return for something else, which is either the currency, or will end up as a currency by the repetition of the trade.

 

There you go! Currency is there even in the Best possible scenario, although I assumed that it happens in the days of Imam Mahdi's reign. 

 

I guess I could target the base of your thinking, didn't I?

 

Ok, you understand now what is my base of thinking.

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Narrations talk about huge riches being available at the time of Imam Mahdi, this will be due to the development of the economic state of humanity through trade and currency. So this world relies on these tools for prosperity and they cannot be removed. In Jannah you get everything without labor so there is no need for trade.

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