'christian' Vs. 'muslim'

CLynn · October 13, 2013

What is the difference between being Christian and being Muslim?
In real terms?

TheIslamHistory · October 13, 2013

What is the difference between being Christian and being Muslim?
In real terms?

We Believe in One God and prophet Muhammad To be the last messenger of God and we worship God. While in Christianity you believe in a God that is Three and Jesus is God. And No form of Worship direct to God is Obligatory in Christianity.

Of course there are many difference.

(wasalam)

Edited October 13, 2013 by TheIslamHistory

PenOfTruth · October 13, 2013

What is the difference between being Christian and being Muslim?
In real terms?

in brief,

islam believes that there is one god and jesus (as) is his prophet. Christianity believes Jesus (as), the father and the spirit are all one god.

alongside the issues of law, jurisprudence and so on.

apart from these we both believe in the same god, yet we differ with who exactly is god and also differ on the laws, obligatory acts and jurisprudence etc.

and offcourse the bible and the quran.

Edited October 13, 2013 by PenOfTruth

Mu3lam · October 13, 2013

Muslims believe that the way to heaven is through submission to the will of God by performing good deeds and running away from sins.

Christians believe that the way to heaven is by believing that somebody else will be punished for your sins instead of you -- no real submission or running from sins is required.

PenOfTruth · October 13, 2013

Muslims believe that the way to heaven is through submission to the will of God by performing good deeds and running away from sins.

Christians believe that the way to heaven is by believing that somebody else will be punished for your sins instead of you -- no real submission or running from sins is required.

and the person who is getting punished is 'god'

**Son of Placid** · October 13, 2013

Muslims believe that the way to heaven is through submission to the will of God by performing good deeds and running away from sins.

Christians believe that the way to heaven is by believing that somebody else will be punished for your sins instead of you -- no real submission or running from sins is required.

Ca ca to the real Christians. I do know the Christians u are talking about tho.

PeaceLoving · October 13, 2013

Ca ca to the real Christians. I do know the Christians u are talking about tho.

Apart from perhaps a very small handful, we believe every Christian shares that approach.

In any case, who is to decide who the real Christians are?

You might think of yourself, and they would think of themelves.

Edited October 13, 2013 by PeaceLoving

**baqar** · October 13, 2013

What is the difference between being Christian and being Muslim?

Greetings Clynn

Why did you call this thread 'christian vs muslim' ?

I think you should have called it 'Christian and Muslim'.

The 'vs' signifies antagonism.

Despite the differences, Christians are our brothers.

In all probability, the Christians whom our Prophet promised amnesty, also had the same beliefs as most Christian today. (People have quoted corresponding material in the PSALTER BEADS thread, I think).

Islam certainly does not share Christianity's views on Jesus.

But the Christians whom the Quran glorifies in [5:82] - [5:85], in all probability, also believed in the godhead of Jesus, since Arianism (Unitarianism) was long since dead, wiped out by Nicea - well before Islam was born.

In other words, despite the differences in our views on the godhead of Jesus, the Quran and the Prophet still had a very soft corner for Christians.

Instead of probing the differences, we should therefore celebrate what is common between us as the Quran also required the Prophet to do in [3:64].

All believers in God are our brothers and sisters - including Jews and Christians.

The only exceptions are those believers (or supposed to be believers) who do bad things - like oppressing the weak, promoting complacency in the commandments of God, building gambling dens and places that promote obscenity like the night spots of Las Vegas and the like.

We should therefore continue that tradition also in this site.

I am afraid your thread is therefore not very helpful in attempting to cement that bond.

Let us celebrate what is common between us [3:64].

Regards

CLynn · October 13, 2013

-- no real submission or running from sins is required.

Greetings Mu3lam,

This is incorrect, but I do understand it is misunderstood by many what it means to follow Yahshua.

Salaam,

CLynn

Greetings Clynn

Why did you call this thread 'christian vs muslim' ?

I think you should have called it 'Christian and Muslim'.

Greetings baqar,

You are correct and I accept your correction. :)

Instead of probing the differences, we should therefore celebrate what is common between us as the Quran also required the Prophet to do in [3:64].

All believers in God are our brothers and sisters - including Jews and Christians.

The only exceptions are those believers (or supposed to be believers) who do bad things - like oppressing the weak, promoting complacency in the commandments of God, building gambling dens and places that promote obscenity like the night spots of Las Vegas and the like.

We should therefore continue that tradition also in this site.

Let us celebrate what is common between us [3:64].

Regards

and I agree exactly with what you say here... it is why I asked

"in real terms"

I was hoping to illuminate, by getting people to reflect upon their hearts, the very things which you point out...

that we are not very different.

The rest of my reflection, which I did not share because I wanted to see what kind of responses I might get... to see if people would really reflect on the question asked... was this:

Is there any real reason why Christians and Muslims should not be friendly towards one another, or treat each other equally?

Salaam and blessings to you,

CLynn

Edited October 13, 2013 by CLynn

Grief · October 13, 2013

Is there any real reason why Christians and Muslims should not be friendly towards one another, or treat each other equally?

No, except blind hatred that stems from a misunderstanding of the Quran.

No reason to hate each other. We are all brothers in the Abrahamic faith chain. Christians are called "Ahlul Kitab" in Islam... Translated as: "The People of the Book"...

PenOfTruth · October 14, 2013

Greetings Mu3lam,

This is incorrect, but I do understand it is misunderstood by many what it means to follow Yahshua.

Salaam,
CLynn

Greetings baqar,

You are correct and I accept your correction. :)

and I agree exactly with what you say here... it is why I asked
"in real terms"

I was hoping to illuminate, by getting people to reflect upon their hearts, the very things which you point out...
that we are not very different.

The rest of my reflection, which I did not share because I wanted to see what kind of responses I might get... to see if people would really reflect on the question asked... was this:

Is there any real reason why Christians and Muslims should not be friendly towards one another, or treat each other equally?

Salaam and blessings to you,
CLynn

islam taught us to respect every religion and faith. To us, we are all children of adam (as) and we all should be treated equally without any judgments or generalizations.

offcourse, rarely any muslims actually take this lesson ( from Allah swt, his prophet (saw) and his ahlulbayt (as) ) and act as if only muslims are correct. treating humanity is islam equally is a vital point give by the lord, his prophets and ahlulbayt.

as the quran says : 22:40 :

-[They are] those who have been evicted from their homes without right - only because they say, "Our Lord is Allah ." And were it not that Allah checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of Allah is much mentioned. And Allah will surely support those who support Him. Indeed, Allah is Powerful and Exalted in Might

Edited October 14, 2013 by PenOfTruth

Mu3lam · October 14, 2013

Greetings Mu3lam,

This is incorrect, but I do understand it is misunderstood by many what it means to follow Yahshua.

Salaam,
CLynn

Contrarily, I find it to be quite accurate. You asked for the difference between Christians and Muslims. Christianity might teach submission, but Christians do not practice it.

CLynn · October 14, 2013

Contrarily, I find it to be quite accurate. You asked for the difference between Christians and Muslims. Christianity might teach submission, but Christians do not practice it.

Greetings Mu3lam,

Yes, I would agree... but there are also many called Christian that are submitted to God...

and this is why I feel that we must be very careful to discern what is a true believer and what is not a true believer...

there are many that call themselves muslim, or that call themselves Christian, that are not believers in the true sense of the word...

We must recognize amongst one another the believers and the disbelievers, and that they exist amongst us all.

We must be sure to have our minds illumined.

Salaam and blessings,

CLynn

**baqar** · October 14, 2013

Christianity might teach submission, but Christians do not practice it.

Muslims - the overwhelming majority - do not practice it either.

It is completely false that Muslims live up to their name.

Edited October 14, 2013 by baqar

Crisbernie · October 14, 2013

Until modern times I really get the impression we had more similarities than differences in

core principles . Now I get the impression we have both strayed from them , proly more

so us Christians though .

I won't got into specifics , just my thoughts really .

PenOfTruth · October 14, 2013

Until modern times I really get the impression we had more similarities than differences in
core principles . Now I get the impression we have both strayed from them , proly more
so us Christians though .
I won't got into specifics , just my thoughts really .

we actually have a lot of similarities when you look at it. its just the society act as if they are not there.

PeaceLoving · October 14, 2013

Now I get the impression we have both strayed from them

We are both racing to see who can get quicker to the goal post first.

The goal post is in the direction opposite to the path which leads to God.

**placid** · October 14, 2013

5:48 To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what God hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to thee. To each among you have we prescribed a law and an open way. If God had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you: so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to God; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute;

**Christianlady** · October 20, 2013

What is the difference between being Christian and being Muslim?
In real terms?

Hello CLynn,

How are you? Hope you are well. :)

I believe the difference is who one follows. Christians follow what Jesus Christ commanded his followers to do.

Muslims follow what Muhammad said.

Peace and God bless you

PeaceLoving · October 20, 2013

What is the difference between being Christian and being Muslim?
In real terms?

As ChristianLady has pointed out in another thread, Christians believe that all messengers set the foundation for Jesus (pbuh).

Muslims believe that all messengers including Jesus set the foundation for Muhammad (pbuh).

In brief and in real terms!

Peace to all of you!

CLynn · October 21, 2013

As ChristianLady has pointed out in another thread, Christians believe that all messengers set the foundation for Jesus (pbuh).

Muslims believe that all messengers including Jesus set the foundation for Muhammad (pbuh).

In brief and in real terms!

Peace to all of you!

Greetings PeaceLoving,

But does this make any difference between us in 'real' terms?

If you pray your prayers at 5 specific times of day, and I pray my prayers all through my day... are we different?

If you bow down on a mat, and I sit in stillness and quiet meditation outside, or in church, or even in my home, where I can listen for God's voice... are we different?

Salaam,

CLynn

Edited October 21, 2013 by CLynn

PenOfTruth · October 21, 2013

Hello CLynn,

How are you? Hope you are well. :)

I believe the difference is who one follows. Christians follow what Jesus Christ commanded his followers to do.
Muslims follow what Muhammad said.

Peace and God bless you

we don't just follow what prophet Mohamed (saw) said, we follow god, and he told us to believe in his prophets that he sends to us, who said we don't follow jesus (as)? his narrations take part in our books and we look at him highly. likewise we listen to prophet Mohamed (saw) and his narrations take part in our books as well.

Greetings PeaceLoving,

But does this make any difference between us in 'real' terms?

If you pray your prayers at 5 specific times of day, and I pray my prayers all through my day... are we different?
If you bow down on a mat, and I sit in stillness and quiet meditation outside, or in church, or even in my home, where I can listen for God's voice... are we different?

Salaam,
CLynn

no, it goes to show how similar we are.

I just wanted to ad, we don't only 'pray' five times a day, we can pray all day too. the five prayers we do are a form of worship. there are many other forms of worship. and when we 'bow down on a mat' we feel gods presence and his eyes looking upon us in mercy.

thanks :)

PeaceLoving · October 21, 2013

But does this make any difference between us in 'real' terms?

Greetings Clynn

In real terms, it might make no difference.

But in terms of how we interpret the teachings of either Jesus or Muhammad (peace be on them both), our understanding of what is expected of us and what our priorities are could be quite different.

Speaking of priorities, they could be quite different also among various sects within both Christians and Muslims.

I just wanted to point out because apart from the divinity of Jesus that was a major difference between the two religions.

Cheers

shreek · November 9, 2013

The catholic view on Muslims/Islam:

Vatican II's "Lumen Gentium" says: "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place among whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day" (LG 16).

PeaceLoving · November 9, 2013

The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place among whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day" (LG 16).

What is meant by the expression 'plan of salvation'? In Islam, there is no such plan. Everyone will be treated according to his individual deeds.

That does not mean there will be no divine forgiveness. Yes, there will be. But no one knows to what extent.

Also, does this plan include Jews, Zoroastrians, Buddhists, Sikhs and Hindus? There are certainly lots of very good people among them.

Not that I have any authority to plead for anyone. After the final arithmetic has been done, I have no idea what my own end will be.

Islam does not encourage the thought of a presumption of salvation.

Edited November 9, 2013 by PeaceLoving

AliX · November 10, 2013

What is the difference between being Christian and being Muslim?
In real terms?

Christianity believes that Jesus is god and god is in three forms (trinity). Islam believes in one God and that Muhammad is the last Prophet.

shreek · November 10, 2013

What is meant by the expression 'plan of salvation'? In Islam, there is no such plan. Everyone will be treated according to his individual deeds.

--->>Vatican II affirmed that Muslims, (however incorrect their understandings of God), worship the same God that we do. This was the point.

And in Islam (at least Shia Islam) they believe similarily to Catholics that faith plus works is a requirement not just deeds.

Also, does this plan include Jews, Zoroastrians, Buddhists, Sikhs and Hindus? There are certainly lots of very good people among them.

---->> Yes it does....to an extent. Just because you are ignorant of the teachings of Jesus or Christianity does not mean you are going to hell or not saved (this was the point of Pope Francis' statement in Atheists as well).

CLynn · November 10, 2013

Christianity believes that Jesus is god and god is in three forms (trinity). Islam believes in one God and that Muhammad is the last Prophet.

Greetings Alix,

Yes, but to me this makes no difference between us in real terms... on earth.

What matters here on earth is whether or not we adhere to good moral principles, and both religions teach that.

Is there any earthly reason for there to be conflict one with the other?

Salaam and blessings to you,

CLynn

Edited November 10, 2013 by CLynn

**Haji 2003** · November 10, 2013

What matters here on earth is whether or not we adhere to good moral principles, and both religions teach that.
Is there any earthly reason for there to be conflict one with the other?

Indeed, all religions teach 'good moral principles' I can't think of any that do not.

We then come to the specific behaviours. In most peoples' minds the practice of Islam is associated with prohibitions on gambling, alcohol (intoxicants) and usury and the encouragement to dress modestly.

Certainly if someone were thinking of converting to one of these two religions, from e.g. atheism, these and other aspects of daily behaviour would need to be addressed if they were converting to Islam

I am not sure what (if any) aspects of daily behaviour would need to be addressed if they were converting to Christianity.

Note I am not dealing with implications regarding worship etc.

shreek · November 10, 2013

Christianity believes that Jesus is god and god is in three forms (trinity). Islam believes in one God and that Muhammad is the last Prophet.

Not true, that is not the definition per se of the Trinity.

He doesn't take three forms.

We believe, like all monotheistic religions, that There is only ONE GOD.

CLynn · November 10, 2013

Indeed, all religions teach 'good moral principles' I can't think of any that do not.

We then come to the specific behaviours. In most peoples' minds the practice of Islam is associated with prohibitions on gambling, alcohol (intoxicants) and usury and the encouragement to dress modestly.

Certainly if someone were thinking of converting to one of these two religions, from e.g. atheism, these and other aspects of daily behaviour would need to be addressed if they were converting to Islam

I am not sure what (if any) aspects of daily behaviour would need to be addressed if they were converting to Christianity.

Note I am not dealing with implications regarding worship etc.

Greetings Haji,

Any true Christian would exhibit the same behaviors you mention.

The problem, as I imagine we both can agree, is that there are so many that do not adhere to these good examples of behavior even though they claim to believe or follow their respective God.

But the belief, or expectation, of any God honoring person, is the same. The problem is that so few trouble to honor God today.

But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. ²People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, ³without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, ⁴treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— ⁵having a form of godliness but denying its power.

Salaam,

CLynn

**Haji 2003** · November 10, 2013

Greetings Haji,

Any true Christian would exhibit the same behaviors you mention.
The problem, as I imagine we both can agree, is that there are so many that do not adhere to these good examples of behavior even though they claim to believe or follow their respective God.
But the belief, or expectation, of any God honoring person, is the same. The problem is that so few trouble to honor God today.

CLynn

Thanks for the answer CLynn.

There are a number of things going on here and I think it would be useful to clarify them.

I am trying to focus on the teachings of the respective religions per se, rather than the lack of adherence by followers (although that would be an interesting subject in its own right).

I'd be interested to know whether Christianity lays explicit prohibitions on the things I mentioned or not.

I find the quotation that you provided a valuable one because it focuses on the abstract and not necessarily the specific and if that is all there is, I wonder whether this difference in specificity is a clear difference between Islam and Christianity.

AliX · November 10, 2013

Not true, that is not the definition per se of the Trinity.
He doesn't take three forms.
We believe, like all monotheistic religions, that There is only ONE GOD.

So you don't believe in the trinity?

Robin Hood · November 10, 2013

The main difference is that Christians believe in the Trinity and that God came down to Earth to sacrifice himself for our sins to undo the Original sin (sorry if not wording it properly). Islam of course rejects all that as blasphemous.

Now coming to the actions, you can see Muslims killing Christians (like in Egypt, Syria, and Iraq) and Christians badmouthing Islam on their forums...

PeaceLoving · November 10, 2013

Now coming to the actions, you can see Muslims killing Christians (like in Egypt, Syria, and Iraq)

Killing has become a joke these days.

Christians being killed are far fewer than Muslims being killed by their fellow-Muslims.

Sunnis are killing Shias by the thousands in Iraq and by the hundreds in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

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