Sayed Seestani Against The Yasser Habib Cult

Against oneself · October 5, 2013

A part of the whole statement. Will they call sistani a batri now?

http://www.sistani.org/arabic/statement/1504/

And in persuit of this scheme, they have published in the media - from satellite and internet web sites, magazines and other means - strange rulings (opinions) which are offensive to some Islamic Schools and Sects. They have attributed these made-up rulings to His Emminence (Ayatullah al-Udhma Sayyed Ali al-Husayni as-Sistani(HA)), in an apparent attempt to defame his authority for the sole purpose of increasing the sectarian tensions, leading to their specific goals.

The opinions of the Esteemed Sayyed (Ayatullah al-Udhma Sayyed Ali al-Husayni as-Sistani(HA)), can only be taken from the reliable sources, such as books of his rulings documented and bearing his signature and seal; and they do not contain anything defaming to other Muslim sects or parties from other schools of thought. And anyone who has even the slightest knowledge of Ayatullah(HA)'s rulings can detect the outrageous lies within what is being said and published.

We can also point out to the stance and statements of His Eminence (Ayatullah al-Udhma Sayyed Ali al-Husayni as-Sistani(HA)) during the past years on the issue of the plight of wounded Iraq, as well as his commandment to his followers and imitators (muqallideen) in dealing with their brethren from the people of the Sunnah with love and respect. Also, he has recurrently stressed on the sancrosanctity of the blood, honor and wealth of all Muslims, be they Sunnah or Shia; and that anyone who kills unjustly is to be abjured.

aliasghark · October 5, 2013

Thanks for sharing.

May God give more success to all the top scholars of Islam like Ayatullah Sistani who are for peace and justice and respect.

And may God destroy these ignorant cults who falsify Islam and divide people.

Against oneself · October 5, 2013

full text below.

The Statement of Ayatullah al-Udhma Sistani(HA) on the Subject of Islamic Unity and Against Sectarian Strife

In the Name of God, the Most Merciful, the Most Compassionate

"And hold fast, all together, by the rope which Allah (stretches out for you), and be not divided among yourselves; " (Quran, Surah Aal-i-Imraan (#3), Verse 103)

The Islamic nation is going through difficult circumstances, and facing major crises and enormous challenges affecting its present and threatening its future. Everyone is aware of this situation and needs to close ranks and reject those who fan the flames of sectarianism and we must avoid stirring sectarian differences.

Those differences that have existed for centuries, and no completely satisfactory resolution - pleasing to all parties - seems to exist, and hence should not be persued for the sake of creating controversy and strife, but only within the framework of scientific research in a sober and in particular in a manner that does not affect the fundamentals of Islam.

Everyone believes in One God, and the message of Prophet Mustafa(S), may Allah shower His blessings upon him and his family, and in the concept of Ma'ad (Ressurection/Judgement), and the fact that the Quran - which is guarded and protected by Allah from distortion - along with the Honourable Prophetic Sunnah (Tradition) which is the source for the Shari'a (Islamic Legal) rulings and the affection for the Holy Ahl al-Bayt(A), peace be upon them, and so on; these basics are shared by the Muslims in general, among which are the pillars of Islam: Prayer, Fasting, Hajj and so on.These common concepts form the basic core for Islamic Unity. We must focus on them to establish closer bonds of love and affection between the people of this Ummah, and indeed do no less than work on peaceful co-existence amongst each other, and move away from bickering and communal and sectarian rhetoric under whatever guise or title.

So every effort must be exerted by all those concerned about the elevation and glory of Islam, and it must be promoted to the Muslims to do everything in power in order to bridge the gap between them, and alleviate the repercussions (effects) of the tensions caused by the political pressure, in order to obliterate any chance of further dissention and division. That dissension - if left untended to - would inevitably give way for the enemies aspirations - to dominate the Islamic Countries and seize their wealth - to be fulfilled.

However, sadly and regrettably it is evident that certain people and parties are working on a completely contrasting agenda. They have been seeking to perpetuate and increase the division and foster deeper sectarian differences among Muslims. They have increased their efforts lately, especially after the recently increasing political conflicts in the region and the intensification of the fight over power and influence.

They have exerted serious efforts to illucidate and disseminate the ideological differences among different Muslim sects, going so far as to even adding their own made-up differences by methods of tucking and slander, in order to achieve their purposes of discrediting a certain sect and disreputing its followers, and intimidating others against them.

And in persuit of this scheme, they have published in the media - from satellite and internet web sites, magazines and other means - strange rulings (opinions) which are offensive to some Islamic Schools and Sects. They have attributed these made-up rulings to His Emminence (Ayatullah al-Udhma Sayyed Ali al-Husayni as-Sistani(HA)), in an apparent attempt to defame his authority for the sole purpose of increasing the sectarian tensions, leading to their specific goals.

The opinions of the Esteemed Sayyed (Ayatullah al-Udhma Sayyed Ali al-Husayni as-Sistani(HA)), can only be taken from the reliable sources, such as books of his rulings documented and bearing his signature and seal; and they do not contain anything defaming to other Muslim sects or parties from other schools of thought. And anyone who has even the slightest knowledge of Ayatullah(HA)'s rulings can detect the outrageous lies within what is being said and published.

We can also point out to the stance and statements of His Eminence (Ayatullah al-Udhma Sayyed Ali al-Husayni as-Sistani(HA)) during the past years on the issue of the plight of wounded Iraq, as well as his commandment to his followers and imitators (muqallideen) in dealing with their brethren from the people of the Sunnah with love and respect. Also, he has recurrently stressed on the sancrosanctity of the blood, honor and wealth of all Muslims, be they Sunnah or Shia; and that anyone who kills unjustly is to be abjured.

All of this clearly discloses the methodologies followed by this religious authority in dealing with the followers of other schools of thought, and in what light these followers are viewed. Had everyone followed the footsteps of this religious authority, things would have been different from what we are witnessing today in terms of blind violence hitting everywhere, and horrendous murders that do not exclude even young children or old people or pregnant women; and unto Allah do we complain!

We ask Allah, the Mighty, the Most High, to take the hands of all to that which is good for the Ummah and for its best interests, verily He has power and authority over all things.

**Abu Hadi** · October 5, 2013

Salam ,

I'm very glad to hear his Eminance Sayyid Sistani (may Allah(s.w.a) continue to guide him and bless him and prolong his life) speak out directly against this cult. I think now all the prominent figures amoung our Shia ulema and mujahedeen (with a few exceptions) have spoken out again that guy, Mr. MI6.

Maybe now our Sunni brothers and sisters will realize that this guy is a cult leader like David Quraish or Jim Jones and he doesn't speak for the followers of Ahl Al Bayt(a.s) just as those guys mentioned don't speak for the Christians. The basis of the teaching of Ahl Al Bayt(a.s) are love and respect for our brothers and sisters in Islam. Full Stop.

Edited October 5, 2013 by Abu Hadi

**A true Sunni** · October 5, 2013

Salam ,

I'm very glad to hear his Eminance Sayyid Sistani (may Allah(s.w.a) continue to guide him and bless him and prolong his life) speak out directly against this cult. I think now all the prominent figures amoung our Shia ulema and mujahedeen (with a few exceptions) have spoken out again that guy, Mr. MI6.
Maybe now our Sunni brothers and sisters will realize that this guy is a cult leader like David Quraish or Jim Jones and he doesn't speak for the followers of Ahl Al Bayt(a.s) just as those guys mentioned don't speak for the Christians. The basis of the teaching of Ahl Al Bayt(a.s) are love and respect for our brothers and sisters in Islam. Full Stop.

Maybe now our Malang brothers and sisters will realize that this guy is a M16 cult leader like David Quraish or Jim Jones and he doesn't speak for the followers of Ahl Al Bayt(a.s) just as those guys mentioned don't speak for the Christians. The basis of the teaching of Ahl Al Bayt(a.s) are love and respect for our brothers and sisters in Islam. Full Stop.

Edited October 5, 2013 by A true Sunni

Mu3lam · October 5, 2013

this cult

A ShiaChat moderator of all people should know that it's against the rules to slander a scholar. Also, you have no evidence that he runs a cult. Please define a cult and prove how Yasser al-Habib and his followers constitute such.

mujahedeen

What Shi'i mujahideen are you referring to? Hezbollah? Basij? What do they have to do with this at all? Mujahid is not at all related to a mujtahid.

Mr. MI6.

Evidence??

I've never even heard someone refer to him as being part of MI6. MI5 is a common accusation, but never MI6. Do you confuse the two?

David Quraish

Don't think a person by the name of David Quraish exists. Are you referring to David Koresh?

brothers and sisters in Islam.

I'm sure Abel had a lot of respect for his brother Cain.

Brother Abu Hadi, your post was an epic fail. I am not a fan of Yasser al-Habib and I respect Sayed Sistani's (qas) rebuke of him, but you really need to gather some evidence before you make such outrageous claims.

**Ali_Hussain** · October 6, 2013

I don't think that this fatwa is about habib, the date says 14 Muharram 1428, that was nearly 6 years ago, shiachat had not yet made him into a celebrity, I doubt sayed Sistani even knows who he is.

Edited October 6, 2013 by Ali_Hussain

**A true Sunni** · October 6, 2013

A ShiaChat moderator of all people should know that it's against the rules to slander a scholar. Also, you have no evidence that he runs a cult. Please define a cult and prove how Yasser al-Habib and his followers constitute such.

It is against Shiachat rules to slander a Marje. At a stretch you could argue it is against the rules to slander a scholar. I dont think YH falls into the category of scholar. Putting a Imamah on your head and growing a long beard doesnt automatically grant you a badge of scholarship

Against oneself · October 6, 2013

I don't think that this fatwa is about habib, the date says 14 Muharram 1428, that was nearly 6 years ago, shiachat had not yet made him into a celebrity, I doubt sayed Sistani even knows who he is.

yasser habib and mujtaba were already doing this stuff at that time. u can find videos of him from then .... can you think of anyone else this statement is about?

question 2. pretned its not about yasser .... it condems yassers ways even then!

Mu3lam · October 7, 2013

It is against Shiachat rules to slander a Marje. At a stretch you could argue it is against the rules to slander a scholar. I dont think YH falls into the category of scholar. Putting a Imamah on your head and growing a long beard doesnt automatically grant you a badge of scholarship

Gaining the approval of a Marja3 (Sayed Sadiq al-Shirazi) and being granted the right to wear the 3mamah does, however, make you a scholar.

I don't think you fall into the category of marja3 so you don't get to determine who is a scholar and who isn't.

sloth · October 8, 2013

I follow Grand Ayatollah Reza Hosseine Nassab and while I do not condone everything Yasser al-Habib is saying in his lectures.

He does seem like a man who does know history quite well.

**A true Sunni** · October 8, 2013

Gaining the approval of a Marja3 (Sayed Sadiq al-Shirazi) and being granted the right to wear the 3mamah does, however, make you a scholar.

I don't think you fall into the category of marja3 so you don't get to determine who is a scholar and who isn't.

I go with Agha Khameni and Agha Makarem Shirazi view points. I think you might find that they do have view points of who is worthy of the title of scholar. Nevertheless the Shiacahr rules expressly forbid slandering Marje not scholars. YH and his ilk definitely don't fall into that category

I follow Grand Ayatollah Reza Hosseine Nassab and while I do not condone everything Yasser al-Habib is saying in his lectures.
He does seem like a man who does know history quite well.

Seem is the operative word. The devil is one of Allahs most knowledgable creations does that make him worthy to follow

Mu3lam · October 9, 2013

I go with Agha Khameni and Agha Makarem Shirazi view points. I think you might find that they do have view points of who is worthy of the title of scholar. Nevertheless the Shiacahr rules expressly forbid slandering Marje not scholars. YH and his ilk definitely don't fall into that category

Many maraji' cast doubts on Khamenei's marijiyyat. How can a marja3 that is in doubt be used as proof for who and who is not a scholar. I would take Shaikh Makarem Shirazi's advice very strongly, however. I disagree with him. Look at the man in my avatar. Now look at Yasser Habib. Look back at me. Do I look like the kind of person that would support Yasser Habib? I'm merely saying that it is not your place to say if somebody is a scholar or not and it is certainly not Abu Hadi's place to make up lies against Shaikh Yasser Habib without any evidence whatsoever.

Edited October 9, 2013 by Mu3lam

aliasghark · October 9, 2013

Many maraji' cast doubts on Khamenei's marijiyyat.

Really? Examples?

Mu3lam · October 9, 2013

Really? Examples?

Grand Ayatollah Mohammed Shirazi (ra), Grand Ayatollah Hossein-Ali Montazeri (ra), Grand AyatollahHassan Tabatabai-Qomi (ra), Grand Ayatollah Sadiq Shirazi (ra), and Grand Ayatollah Yasuedin Rastegar Jooybari (ra).

Edited October 9, 2013 by Mu3lam

aliasghark · October 9, 2013

Grand Ayatollah Mohammed Shirazi (ra), Grand Ayatollah Hossein-Ali Montazeri (ra), Grand AyatollahHassan Tabatabai-Qomi (ra), Grand Ayatollah Sadiq Shirazi (ra), and Grand Ayatollah Yasuedin Rastegar Jooybari (ra).

Do you have links to their sites that support this claim?

Shaikh Yasser Habib

Whoa, careful bro, Yaser's a madman.

Mu3lam · October 9, 2013

Do you have links to their sites that support this claim?

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/khamenei.htm

Ask them.

Whoa, careful bro, Yaser's a madman.

Never said I liked him or supported him. Look at my avatar. Now back at me. Who did you see there? Do I look like the kind of person that would like Yasser Habib? I'm merely asking people to stop lying about him. That's it!

**A true Sunni** · October 9, 2013

Many maraji' cast doubts on Khamenei's marijiyyat. How can a marja3 that is in doubt be used as proof for who and who is not a scholar. I would take Shaikh Makarem Shirazi's advice very strongly, however. I disagree with him. Look at the man in my avatar. Now look at Yasser Habib. Look back at me. Do I look like the kind of person that would support Yasser Habib? I'm merely saying that it is not your place to say if somebody is a scholar or not and it is certainly not Abu Hadi's place to make up lies against Shaikh Yasser Habib without any evidence whatsoever.

This oft qouted many Marje cast doubt on Khameni's Marjiyyat. Since you have said many I challenge you bring 5 Marje with written doubt. Not hearsay.

Since you accept Ayatullah Makarem Shirazi word. Perhaps you would like to take very seriously his words that either YH was mad or an agent of the west.

There are 2 ways to support someone . Either by supporting them by an action or to remain silent when they do wrong. Is it not one of the many lamentations of the Shia that to many 'sahaba' remained silent or refused to take sides during the early times

Grand Ayatollah Mohammed Shirazi (ra), Grand Ayatollah Hossein-Ali Montazeri (ra), Grand AyatollahHassan Tabatabai-Qomi (ra), Grand Ayatollah Sadiq Shirazi (ra), and Grand Ayatollah Yasuedin Rastegar Jooybari (ra).

To blindly pluck names out without proof and then say ask them is ridiculus. You made the accusation you should now furnish the proof

aliasghark · October 9, 2013

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/khamenei.htm

Ask them.

You can't be serious. You're taking a random site's opinion about one of the top scholars?

Never said I liked him or supported him. Look at my avatar. Now back at me. Who did you see there? Do I look like the kind of person that would like Yasser Habib? I'm merely asking people to stop lying about him. That's it!

I didn't say you liked or supported him, Isiah. You don't need to get so defensive. Just don't call a mad man like Yaser a 'sheikh'.

Mu3lam · October 9, 2013

Since you accept Ayatullah Makarem Shirazi word. Perhaps you would like to take very seriously his words that either YH was mad or an agent of the west.

Just because I take his opinions to heart does not mean I support him when he lies on fellow Muslims.

There are 2 ways to support someone . Either by supporting them by an action or to remain silent when they do wrong. Is it not one of the many lamentations of the Shia that to many 'sahaba' remained silent or refused to take sides during the early times

Yasser Habib isn't doing anything wrong.

To blindly pluck names out without proof and then say ask them is ridiculus. You made the accusation you should now furnish the proof

I did furnish the proof. If you don't like what I furnished, you can leave me alone. I provided everything that I need to provide. Now either leave or come up with your own proof that Yasser Habib is an agent, doing haraam, etc. You make all of these accusations but haven't furnished an ounce of proof. Instead of attacking my evidence as week, you better start working on finding your own. You can't even furnish weak evidence.

You can't be serious. You're taking a random site's opinion about one of the top scholars?

I am being perfectly serious. Now, where is that proof about all the lies you've claimed about Yasser al-Habib?

I didn't say you liked or supported him, Isiah. You don't need to get so defensive. Just don't call a mad man like Yaser a 'sheikh'.

You still have not provided any evidence that he is a mad man. Until you can prove that Sadiq al-Shirazi (ra) is not qualified to determine who is a Shaikh, I will continue calling him as such. Until you can prove that Yasser Habib is an agent, I will refuse to call him as such.

Any evidence whatsoever? Even a tiny bit of evidence? At all? Just a tiny bit?

aliasghark · October 9, 2013

I am being perfectly serious. Now, where is that proof about all the lies you've claimed about Yasser al-Habib?

Uh, what lies? You seem to have a deeper problem...

You still have not provided any evidence that he is a mad man. Until you can prove that Sadiq al-Shirazi (ra) is not qualified to determine who is a Shaikh, I will continue calling him as such. Until you can prove that Yasser Habib is an agent, I will refuse to call him as such.

Any evidence whatsoever? Even a tiny bit of evidence? At all? Just a tiny bit?

Have you even watched any of his retarded videos? Let me know if not and I can help you with some.

Mu3lam · October 9, 2013

Uh, what lies? You seem to have a deeper problem...

Calling him an agent and a mad man. You have no evidence yet, therefore it's a lie. Unless you somehow have some evidence. I don't know why you're so unwilling to furnish it, though.

Have you even watched any of his retarded videos? Let me know if not and I can help you with some.

Yeah, I have. I've also seen Kamal al-Haydari say some "retarded" things but you don't see me calling him names or making up things about him.

aliasghark · October 9, 2013

Calling him an agent and a mad man. You have no evidence yet, therefore it's a lie. Unless you somehow have some evidence. I don't know why you're so unwilling to furnish it, though.

Yeah, I have. I've also seen Kamal al-Haydari say some "retarded" things but you don't see me calling him names or making up things about him.

Happy to furnish it, see below. Where did I call him an agent exactly? Even if I did, I would be accepting the words of the top scholars of Shia Islam. We were talking about the fact that he's no 'sheikh', you're being a bit dramatic for some reason.

No sensible person, let alone a Muslim, let alone a scholar, would use such immature and filthy language.

You have no evidence yet, therefore it's a lie.

And by the way, what kind of logic is that Mu'lam? Everything is a 'lie' till proven otherwise?

**A true Sunni** · October 9, 2013

Many people pose as main stream Shias but are in fact YH supporters. They try and give legittimacy to scum like YH. But of course the only reason that YH can get away with this filth is that he is the Son in law of Sayed Mujtaba Shirazi.

Last vid clip I saw of Sayed Mujtaba Shirazi was of him spewing hatred for Khameni. sort of says it all

I did furnish the proof.

pathetic you just posted a link to another website that had an article with no proof. Proof please

Against oneself · October 10, 2013

A fatwa from the man

http://www.alalam.ir/news/1523585

**A true Sunni** · October 11, 2013

A fatwa from the man http://www.alalam.ir/news/1523585

unfortunately I cant understand Arabic

Edited October 11, 2013 by A true Sunni

Against oneself · October 12, 2013

Rough translation:

Subject: Abusing the Sahaba and the wives of the Prophet(pbuh)

Question: AsSalamu 'alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu, a video of a group of people from the region of al-'Adhamiyyah(1) engaging in abusing (sabb) 'Umar and 'Aisha, etc during a procession of the death of al-Imam al-Jawad(as) has spread on social networks(2).

Is this action(3) condemned by the top religious scholars (maraji'), especially because it deals with abusing the religious figures of our Sunni brothers and this can create fitnah between Iraqis (and also between) Muslims?

ANSWER: This action is condemned and extremely reprehensible and goes against what the Imams of Ahl al-Bayt(as) ordered their Shias.

*Notes:

1=al-'Adhamiyya is an Iraqi city name after Abu Hanifa

2=ie twitter, facebook, etc

3=Abusing the Sahaba and particular Abu Bakr, 'Umar, 'Ai'sha, etc

[URL Edited]/index.php?showtopic=20707

this fatwa is only days old! totally kills YH and his ways. big time.

Edited October 11, 2013 by Against oneself

Gypsy · October 12, 2013

Not liking this one bit.

I don't agree with this whole thing about respecting the Sunni Sahabas (who were mostly oppressors of ahl al bayt) and some of the disobedient wives of the Prophet. Why do the Shias care more about Sunnis perception of us than the truth/haqq? Why do you think we need to sugarcoat our (Shia) faith so it doesn't offend anyone?

Edited October 12, 2013 by Gypsy

awaiting_for_the.12th · October 12, 2013

Not liking this one bit.

I don't agree with this whole thing about respecting the Sunni Sahabas (who were mostly oppressors of ahl al bayt) and some of the disobedient wives of the Prophet. Why do the Shias care more about Sunnis perception of us than the truth/haqq? Why do you think we need to sugarcoat our (Shia) faith so it doesn't offend anyone?

Its not sugar coating. Would you kindly be the one take charge and go to Sunni mosque and say all the "Huq" about Sahabas.

We all know damn well you got no guts to speak, just sit behind a keyboard and keep repeating the same stuff. Just because you can't keep your emotions in check, not only will you get yourself hurt, this will lead to further damage Shia cause. YH talks the most yet has never stepped in front of Wahabis since he knows what will happen.

There is right time for everything. Shias are being attacked from every direction, so its for our own protection.

**A true Sunni** · October 12, 2013

Not liking this one bit.

I don't agree with this whole thing about respecting the Sunni Sahabas (who were mostly oppressors of ahl al bayt) and some of the disobedient wives of the Prophet. Why do the Shias care more about Sunnis perception of us than the truth/haqq? Why do you think we need to sugarcoat our (Shia) faith so it doesn't offend anyone?

Shias claim that their faith is based on the teachings of the Ahlul Bait. Ayatullah Seestani has quite clearly stated that this behavior is not inline with the teachings of the Ahlul Bait.

In fact abusing and cursing your 'enemies' is the Sunnah of Maoviya. So tell me whose Sunnah are you following. I see you are interested in exposing hypocrisy and double standards. When was the last time you went to a Sunni mosque and cursed and insulted the Sahaba or are you a armchair jihadist. (hypocrit)

Edited October 12, 2013 by A true Sunni

Gypsy · October 12, 2013

Its not sugar coating. Would you kindly be the one take charge and go to Sunni mosque and say all the "Huq" about Sahabas.
We all know damn well you got no guts to speak, just sit behind a keyboard and keep repeating the same stuff. Just because you can't keep your emotions in check, not only will you get yourself hurt, this will lead to further damage Shia cause. YH talks the most yet has never stepped in front of Wahabis since he knows what will happen.

There is right time for everything. Shias are being attacked from every direction, so its for our own protection.

So what if YH has not stepped in front of Wahhabis.

Has Khamenei or Sistani stepped in front of Wahabis? No they haven't. They have fierce "bodyguards" to protect them. According to your logic, these noble men must also be coward :wacko: because they communicate via indirect channel/pen/keyboard/ whatever?

The point I was trying to make is you are free to do whatever it is you think is the best method for you. But you have no right to tell someone else what he can or cannot do.

Shias claim that their faith is based on the teachings of the Ahlul Bait. Ayatullah Seestani has quite clearly stated that this behavior is not inline with the teachings of the Ahlul Bait.
In fact abusing and cursing your 'enemies' is the Sunnah of Maoviya. So tell me whose Sunnah are you following

Yassir Habib doesn't follow Sistani. So I dont' see why he would be taking interest in whatever it is on Sistani's website.

Your question on what behavior is inline with the teachings of ahl al bayt is very hard to answer. If we are honest to ourselves, we will always find examples in our life or someone's else life that are not inline with the teaching of ahl al bayt.

My motto is always: People should stop having these double standards.

Edited October 12, 2013 by Gypsy

**A true Sunni** · October 12, 2013

So what if YH has not stepped in front of Wahhabis.

Has Khamenei or Sistani stepped in front of Wahabis? No they haven't. They have fierce "bodyguards" to protect them. According to your logic, these noble men must also be coward :wacko: because they communicate via indirect channel/pen/keyboard/ whatever?

The point I was trying to make is you are free to do whatever it is you think is the best method for you. But you have no right to tell someone else what he can or cannot do.
Yassir Habib doesn't follow Sistani. So I dont' see why he would be taking interest in whatever it is on Sistani's website.

Your question on what behavior is inline with the teachings of ahl al bayt is very hard to answer. If we are honest to ourselves, we will always find examples in our life or someone's else life that are not inline with the teaching of ahl al bayt.

My motto is always: People should stop having these double standards.

The fatwa is not for YH its for those immature fools who think its ok to go follow scum like YH. Question is what influence do real leaders and Marje have on you.

i am not talking about peoples double standards , i am talking about your double standards. You seem to be saying I am not following the Ahlul bait on many other things so I choose not to follow them on this issue as well. More fool you because you are then by default accusing the Ahlul Bait of double standards.

You are supporting Moaviya because at least he was honest by cursing and condemning Imam Hassan (as) for making peace with him .

Yeah you stick to your line so called Shia of Ahlul Bait

repenter-gone4awhile · October 12, 2013

Grand Ayatollah Mohammed Shirazi (ra), Grand Ayatollah Hossein-Ali Montazeri (ra), Grand AyatollahHassan Tabatabai-Qomi (ra), Grand Ayatollah Sadiq Shirazi (ra), and Grand Ayatollah Yasuedin Rastegar Jooybari (ra).

All whom have a personal feud with him. Now mention some names that are unbiased :)

**A true Sunni** · October 12, 2013

But you have no right to tell someone else what he can or cannot do.

I presume at some stage in your life you went to Madrassah and learnt the Furoo-e-Deen which encapsulates the teachings of the Ahulul Bait.

Enjoin the good

Forbid the bad

As I said you are a classic case of following the Sunnah of Maoviya

Gypsy · October 12, 2013

The fatwa is not for YH its for those immature fools who think its ok to go follow scum like YH. Question is what influence do real leaders and Marje have on you.

i am not talking about peoples double standards , i am talking about your double standards. You seem to be saying I am not following the Ahlul bait on many other things so I choose not to follow them on this issue as well. More fool you because you are then by default accusing the Ahlul Bait of double standards.

You are supporting Moaviya because at least he was honest by cursing and condemning Imam Hassan (as) for making peace with him .

Yeah you stick to your line so called Shia of Ahlul Bait

No one can claim that they are only being influenced by a single person. You and everybody else are influenced by many people, some dead and many alive.

From your post, i think you are only picking up on things that resonate well with you. You dislike YH for using bad language when he talks about Sunni personalites. But I think you should also check what you are saying. Do you think it's okay for you to use these slurs, bad nickname and bad language against YH? If it's okay for you to use on a fellow Shia then why cant YH uses his bad language on oppressors of ahl al bayt.

This is the double standard that I wanted to point out.

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