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Imam Ali(As)"salooni, Salooni, Kabla Ant'afkadooni

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Imam Ali(as):"Salooni, salooni, kabla ant'afkadoonee!", (Ask me, ask me, before you miss me) is a challange no one claimed yet in history.

http://discovershiaislam.blogspot.in/2012/01/imam-aliassalooni-salooni-kabla.html#!/2012/01/imam-aliassalooni-salooni-kabla.html

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On 10/2/2013 at 1:39 AM, Mehek said:

Imam Ali(as):"Salooni, salooni, kabla ant'afkadoonee!", (Ask me, ask me, before you miss me) is a challange no one claimed yet in history.

http://discovershiaislam.blogspot.in/2012/01/imam-aliassalooni-salooni-kabla.html#!/2012/01/imam-aliassalooni-salooni-kabla.html

(bismillah)

Ibn Abbas (ra) also said similar thing. 

أخبرني يعلى بن مسلم وعمرو بن دينار عن سعيد بن جبير يزيد أحدهما على صاحبه وغيرهما قد سمعته يحدثه عن سعيد بن جبير قال إنا لعند ابن عباس في بيته إذ قال سلوني

Ya’la ibn Muslim and ‘Amr ibn Dinar related from Sa’id ibn Jubayr, one adding to one another, and others also heard it related from Sa’id. He said, “While we were with Ibn ‘Abbas in his his house, he said, ‘Ask me.’ I said, ‘O Abu’l-’Abbas...l’” (Sahih Bukhari)
 
The statement of Ali (ra) contradicts with Shia beliefs. Does it mean other 'Masumeen' who succeed him wouldn't be able to answer?
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On 10/2/2013 at 6:19 PM, Just the truth said:

Subhanallah. What an answer. Never thought of that one. Mashallah

 

On 10/2/2013 at 3:34 PM, Abul Hussain Hassani said:

(bismillah)

Ibn Abbas (ra) also said similar thing. 

أخبرني يعلى بن مسلم وعمرو بن دينار عن سعيد بن جبير يزيد أحدهما على صاحبه وغيرهما قد سمعته يحدثه عن سعيد بن جبير قال إنا لعند ابن عباس في بيته إذ قال سلوني

Ya’la ibn Muslim and ‘Amr ibn Dinar related from Sa’id ibn Jubayr, one adding to one another, and others also heard it related from Sa’id. He said, “While we were with Ibn ‘Abbas in his his house, he said, ‘Ask me.’ I said, ‘O Abu’l-’Abbas...l’” (Sahih Bukhari)
 
The statement of Ali (ra) contradicts with Shia beliefs. Does it mean other 'Masumeen' who succeed him wouldn't be able to answer?

there's a difference between "ask me" which anybody in his specialized field can say ...and "ask me before you lose me "

as for ali then indeed he was more knowledgeable than all imams after him , actually you have your answer in the same hadith you quoted from bukhari (the story 

of khidr (as) and moses(as) so learn from it brother

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On 10/2/2013 at 3:34 PM, Abul Hussain Hassani said:

(bismillah)

Ibn Abbas (ra) also said similar thing. 

أخبرني يعلى بن مسلم وعمرو بن دينار عن سعيد بن جبير يزيد أحدهما على صاحبه وغيرهما قد سمعته يحدثه عن سعيد بن جبير قال إنا لعند ابن عباس في بيته إذ قال سلوني

Ya’la ibn Muslim and ‘Amr ibn Dinar related from Sa’id ibn Jubayr, one adding to one another, and others also heard it related from Sa’id. He said, “While we were with Ibn ‘Abbas in his his house, he said, ‘Ask me.’ I said, ‘O Abu’l-’Abbas...l’” (Sahih Bukhari)
 
The statement of Ali (ra) contradicts with Shia beliefs. Does it mean other 'Masumeen' who succeed him wouldn't be able to answer?

Saying "Ask me" in a private gathering of few people is something else and claiming "Ask me anything you want" at the pulpit is something else. Imams (a.s) were able to answer every question put to them but Imam Ali a.s is the only Imam who got government and authority to claim it in public gathering on the pulpit. Afterwards, the circumstances changed alot and it became quite difficult for Imams (a.s) in specific and their family members and friends in general to put forward this claim. The reason is two fold 1. There was strong enmity with Ahl ul bait a.s and the power holders were already looking for a chance to cause damage to them therefore, often they had to observe Taqayah. 2. They did not get much authority to put forward this claim. Imam Ali Raza (a.s) got such authority but he a.s was also in the eyes of Mamoon (la) who had grudge against him a.s in his mind and ultimately martyred them. 

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On 10/2/2013 at 6:19 PM, Just the truth said:

Subhanallah. What an answer. Never thought of that one. Mashallah

(1) First of All the MA'soomen Are Able to Answer since they have the knowledge of the prophet peace be upon him.

(2) The Hadith on Ibn Abbas is Concerning an Issue, (Please Continue reading the Hadith ),

(3) there is no one Knowledgeable after the prophet peace be upon him than Imam Ali (a.s).

(4) before accepting Statements that Don't make sense perhaps look into what is meant by the narration in the first place.

(wasalam)   

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On 10/2/2013 at 3:34 PM, Abul Hussain Hassani said:

(bismillah)

Ibn Abbas (ra) also said similar thing. 

أخبرني يعلى بن مسلم وعمرو بن دينار عن سعيد بن جبير يزيد أحدهما على صاحبه وغيرهما قد سمعته يحدثه عن سعيد بن جبير قال إنا لعند ابن عباس في بيته إذ قال سلوني

Ya’la ibn Muslim and ‘Amr ibn Dinar related from Sa’id ibn Jubayr, one adding to one another, and others also heard it related from Sa’id. He said, “While we were with Ibn ‘Abbas in his his house, he said, ‘Ask me.’ I said, ‘O Abu’l-’Abbas...l’” (Sahih Bukhari)
 
The statement of Ali (ra) contradicts with Shia beliefs. Does it mean other 'Masumeen' who succeed him wouldn't be able to answer?

Ask me, thats it? Compare it with Imam Ali's challenge wherein he asked people to ask him anything they liked about on any issue to happen till Qayamah :) So once again, you have failed to do away merit of Ali bin Abi Talib. 

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(1) First of All the MA'soomen Are Able to Answer since they have the knowledge of the prophet peace be upon him.

(2) The Hadith on Ibn Abbas is Concerning an Issue, (Please Continue reading the Hadith ),

(3) there is no one Knowledgeable after the prophet peace be upon him than Imam Ali (a.s).

(4) before accepting Statements that Don't make sense perhaps look into what is meant by the narration in the first place.

(wasalam)

We will continue on the other thread.

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Saying "Ask me" in a private gathering of few people is something else and claiming "Ask me anything you want" at the pulpit is something else. Imams (a.s) were able to answer every question put to them but Imam Ali a.s is the only Imam who got government and authority to claim it in public gathering on the pulpit. Afterwards, the circumstances changed alot and it became quite difficult for Imams (a.s) in specific and their family members and friends in general to put forward this claim. The reason is two fold 1. There was strong enmity with Ahl ul bait a.s and the power holders were already looking for a chance to cause damage to them therefore, often they had to observe Taqayah. 2. They did not get much authority to put forward this claim. Imam Ali Raza (a.s) got such authority but he a.s was also in the eyes of Mamoon (la) who had grudge against him a.s in his mind and ultimately martyred them. 

Very well articulated  brother, Mash Allah

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Prophet (pbuh) and Imam Ali (as) knowledge is second to none.

The Prophetic tradition: "I am the city of Knowledge and Ali is its gate."

This tradition [88] alone should be sufficient to indicate the example that has to he followed after the Messenger of Allah (saw) because the educated man ought to be followed.

 

[88]
Mustadrak, al Hakim, vol 3 p 127
Tarikh, Ibn Kathir, vol 7 p 358
Allah - the Most High - said:

Say: "Are those who know and those who do not know alike?"
[Holy Quran 39:9]

 

He also said:

"Is He then Who guides to the truth more worthy to be followed, or he who himself does not go aright unless he is guided? What then is the matter with you; how do you judge?" [Holy Quran 10:35]

History has recorded many facts telling us that Ali was the most knowledgeable man among all the Companions and they used to consult him on every important matter, and we do not know of any event in which he declined to give his advice.

Abu Bakr said, "May Allah never put me in a predicament that Abu al-Hasan cannot solve. " And Umar said, "If it was not for Ali, Umar would have perished." [89]

[89]
al Isti'ab, vol 3 p 39
Manaqib al Khawarizmi, p 48
al Riyadh al Nadirah, vol 2 p 194
And Ibn Abbas said, "My knowledge and the knowledge of the Companions of Muhammad(saw) is but a drop in seven seas if compared with Ali's knowledge."

And this is what Imam Ali said about himself, "Ask me before you lose me. By Allah, if you ask me about anything that could happen up to the Day of Judgement, I will tell you about it. Ask me about the Book of Allah, because by Allah there is no [Qur'anic] verse that I do not know whether it was revealed during the night or the day, or whether it was revealed on a plain or on a mountain." [90]

[90]
al Riyadh al-Nadirah, vol 2 p 198
Tarikh, Suyuti, p 124
al Itqan, Suyuti, vol 2 p 319
Fath al Bari, vol 8 p 485
Tadhib al Tadhib, vol 7 p 338

Abu Bakr was once asked about the meaning of the word "Abb" [herbage] in the words of Allah, the Most High:

"And fruits and herbage, A provision for you and for your cattle" [Holy Quran 80:31-32]

Abu Bakr replied, "Which sky would give me shade, and which land would carry me if I say something I do not know about the Book of Allah." And this is Umar saying. "All people are more knowledgeable than I am, even women." He was once asked about the meaning of a Qur'anic verse, and his reaction was to rebuke the man and beat him until he bled, then he said, "Do not ask about matters which may appear bad to you." [91]

[91]
Sunan, al Darimi, vol 1 p 54
Tafsir, Ibn Katheer, vol 4 p 232
Tafsir, Suyuti, vol 6p 111
Also he was asked about "al-Kalalah" but he did not know what it meant.

In his "commentary", al-Tabari stated that Umar once said the following, "My knowledge of al-Kalalah is more valuable to me than owning a palace similar to those in Syria."

In one of his books, Ibn Maja quoted Umar as saying "There are three things, if they were explained by the Messenger of Allah, I would have loved them more dearly than anything in the world: Al-Kalalah, usury and the caliphate." God forbid that the Messenger of Allah stayed silent on these subjects!

B. The Prophetic tradition: O Ali! You hold in relation to me the same position as Haroon held in relation to Moses, except that there shall be no prophet after me.

This tradition, as should be apparent to every sensible person, shows the special quality of the Commander of the Believers, Ali, which made him the right person to be the supporter, the guardian and the deputy [or successor] of the Messenger of Allah as Haroon was the supporter, guardian and deputy of Moses when he went to meet his God. There is also the position of Ali vis-a-vis the Prophet which is absolutely equal to the relation between Haroon and Moses, except for the prophethood, which was excluded in the same tradition.

Furthermore, we find in the tradition the fact that Imam Ali was the best Companion, who only came second after the Messenger of Allah (saw).

C. The Prophetic tradition: Ali is the master of all those of whom I am master. O Allah! Love him who loves him and hate him who hates him, help him who helps him, forsake him who forsakes him, and turn justice with him wherever he turns.

This tradition alone is sufficient to reply to the allegations concerning the seniority of Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman to Ali, who was appointed by the Messenger of Allah as the guardian after him of all the faithful. It is of no consequence for whoever tried to interpret the saying as the friend or the support in order to divert it from its original meaning so that the integrity of the Companions may be kept intact. The Messenger of Allah stood up in the terrible heat addressing the people, saying, "Do you witness that I have a prior right to and superior authority over all the faithful?" They replied, "Yes, O Messenger of Allah. " Thereupon he said, "Ali is the master of all those whom I am a master. . . etc." This is a clear text indicating that the Messenger of Allah had appointed Ali as his successor to lead the nation [of Islam], and the fair and sensible person could not but accept this interpretation and refuse that of the others, thus preserving the integrity of the Messenger of Allah before preserving the integrity of the Companions. Those who give an alternative interpretation to the saying are in fact ridiculing the wisdom of the Messenger of Allah, who gathered the multitude of people, in that unbearable heat, to tell them that Ali was the friend and supporter of the faithful. And what do those, who misinterpret the text in order to preserve the integrity of their masters, say about the procession of congratulation that the Messenger of Allah organised for Ali? It started with the wives of the Messenger, the mothers of the faithful, then Abu Bakr and Umar came and said to him, "Well done Ibn Abi Talib, Overnight you became the guardian [master] of all the faithful."

In fact all the historical evidence gives clear indications that those who misinterpret the above tradition are liars. Woe to those who wrote what they wrote, and woe to them for what they are writing. Allah - the Most High - said. "...a party of them most surely conceal the truth while they know it" [Holy Qur'an 2:146].

The Prophetic tradition: Ali is from me and I am from Ali and no one can discharge my duty except myself or Ali.

This honourable tradition [92] is another clear indication that Imam Ali was only one whom the Messenger authorized to discharge his duties. The Messenger said it on the day of the great pilgrimage when he sent Ali with Surat Bara'a instead of Abu Bakr, who came crying and asked, "O Messenger of Allah ! Reveal something for me." The Messenger answered, "My Lord ordered me that nobody can discharge my duty except myself or Ali."

[92]
Sunan, Ibn Majah, vol 1 p 44
Khasais, al Nasai, p 20
Sahih, al Tirmidhi, vol 5 p 300
Jami al Usul, Ibn Kathir, vol 9 p 471
al Jami al Saghir, al Suyuti, vol 2 p 56
al Riyadh al Nadirah, Tabari, vol 2p 229

There is another supporting tradition that the Messenger of Allah, said on another occasion in honour of Ali, "O Ali! You will show them the right path when there will be dissension among them after me." [93] If nobody could discharge the Messenger of Allah's duty except Ali, and if he was the one who would show them the right path after dissension appeared among them after him; then how could a person who did not know the meaning of "al-Abb" and "Kalalah" be more senior to Ali? This is sadly one of the tragedies that have been inflicted on our nation and prevented it from doing the duties that Allah has chosen for it. We could not blame Allah or the Messenger of Allah or the Commander of the Believers Ali ibn Abi Talib for that, but the blame falls squarely on those who rebelled and changed, and Allah - the most High - said: "And when it is said to them, "Come to what Allah has revealed and to the Messenger. They say, "That on which we found our fathers is sufficient for us. " What! Even though their fathers knew nothing and did not follow the right way" [Holy Qur'an 5:104].

[93]
Tarikh, Ibn Askir, vol 2 p 488
Kunuz al Haqa'iq, al Mauawi, p 203
Kanz al Ummal, vol 5 p 33
E. The Prophetic tradition of the House on the day of Warning.

The Prophet of Allah (saw) said, indicating Ali. This is my brother, my trustee and my deputy [caliph] after me, so listen to him and obey him." [94]

[94]
Tarikh, al Tabari, vol 2 p319
al Sirah al Halabiyah, vol 1 p 311
Shawahid al Tanzil, vol 1 p 371
Kanz al Ummal, vol 15 p 15
Tarikh, Ibn Asakir, vol 1 p 85
Tafsir, Ala al Din al Shafi'i, vol 3 p 371

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