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Is Ahmadiyya A Branch Of Sunni Sect?

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Before anyone says that they are kafir or non-Muslim etc, this cannot be true because their shahada is same as any Sunni Muslim. To be a Muslim you have to agree to this shahada:

 

لَا إِلٰهَ إِلَّا الله مُحَمَّدٌ رَسُولُ الله (lā ʾilāha ʾillā l-Lāh, Muḥammadun rasūlu l-Lāh)

There is no god but God, Muhammad is the messenger of God.

 

Only difference is that they believe that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was a Mahdi. I believe that technically the Ahmadiyya Muslims are Sunni Muslim, it is one of the branch of Sunni sect because it inherits majority of its teaching from Sunni school. Bear in mind that technically a certain branch comes under a certain sect according to whatever its teaching is inherited from.

 

e.g.

Shia Islam = Alawi, Twelver, Zaydi etc because it inherits its teachings from Shia school

Sunni Islam = Ahmadi, Hanafi, Maliki, Wahabi, Salafi etc because it inherits its teachings from Sunni school

 

Please share your intelligence.

 

Here is the Ahmadiyya shahada which is exactly the same as any other Sunni branch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFiyt-Ijc0Y

Edited by ShaanHussayn

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Ahmadi shahadah is not the same as Sunni one. They don't believe that the prophet SAW is the final prophet.

 

I don't know if that is true but I have given the video link to YouTube. Those are Ahmadi people in the video reading out their shahada.

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^... Whether they follow Fiqh of Hanafi School of Maliki School is irrelevant if they don't believe in the finality of the Prophet's [a] prophethood, which would make them Kufar.

No doubt they are deviants. They follow a liar who claimed he was Jesus [a] and the Mahdi [a] who failed to accomplish the task that the Mahdi [a] was commissioned to do. Which was to remove all forms of oppression and fill the world with peace and justice. Whether they are Muslim or not, Allah knows best.

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^... Whether they follow Fiqh of Hanafi School of Maliki School is irrelevant if they don't believe in the finality of the Prophet's [a] prophethood, which would make them Kufar.

No doubt they are deviants. They follow a liar who claimed he was Jesus [a] and the Mahdi [a] who failed to accomplish the task that the Mahdi [a] was commissioned to do. Which was to remove all forms of oppression and fill the world with peace and justice. Whether they are Muslim or not, Allah knows best.

 

It is a sect that was promoted by the British colonial authorities.

They are not Muslims, at least according to Sunnis. This is due to them not believing the prophet is the final messenger as well many other things.

Fiqh is irrelevant, aqeedh is.

 

I do have Ahmadi friends so I know what I was talking about...

 

If you read the OP's post again, when he said "branch" he meant it as "off-shoot" - and if you use this term (or even if you don't) - Ahmadi's are definitely an off-shoot of Sunni Islam, and the fact that they still use Hanafi fiqh does show this.

 

They believe in God -> Prophet -> Qur'an -> The Mahdi as Mirza Ghulam. They don't believe in the Ahlul Bayt (as) anywhere as the successors to the Prophet's will and the guardians of the religion.

 

Sure they are no longer Muslims in the literal sense, however if you don't want to consider them as a "sunni branch" then by all means first edit this wikipedia article and all of the sub-articles, as I would say that more than half of these are not even Muslim, let alone "Shia."

 

But of course double standards only exist when it comes to Shiism.

Edited by Fuan

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Salam. Where do you get your knowledge on shia from? lol. Shia and Sunni shahada do not differ..

And secondly, why don't you just ask them about their beliefs? I will quote from their fav books on introducing Ahmadiyya;

 

 

[...]

 

Basically, there are two main divisions in Islam: the Sunnis and the Shias. All other sects developed from these two main streams. To give an idea of their relative proportions, about 85% of all "Muslims" living today belong to the Sunni stream of Islam while about 15% belong to the Shia stream. Some important sects of Islam and their relationship with the two main streams are shown below:

 

Sunni Stream of Islam:
Ahle Hadith (Traditionists)
Wahabis
Ahmadis
Shia Stream of Islam:
Zaydis
Twelvers
Seveners: Nizaris or Ismailis
Musta'lis or Bohras
 
[...]
 

The Ahmadis

The Ahmadiyya movement was founded in 1889 as a sect of Islam by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian, India. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad claimed to be the Mujaddid of the fourteenth century of Islam and the Promised Messiah and the Promised Mahdi whose advent had been foretold in the Hadith of the Holy Prophet Muhammad. The Ahmadis generally follow the Hanafi school of law.

 

WHAT IS AHMADIYYAT?

Ahmadiyyat is a sect of Islam and not a new religion. Ahmadiyyat is a movement, entirely within the fold of Islam, meant to revive its true spirit and philosophy, to cleanse Islam of all superstitious and unnecessary beliefs and customs which had crept in over the past fourteen centuries, and, finally, to preach the religion of Islam to non-Muslims with the enthusiasm and zeal of the early Muslims.

The Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam was founded by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian, India, in 1889. The followers of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad believe that he is the same Messiah and Mahdi whose coming was foretold by the Holy Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, and was eagerly awaited by all Muslims. His followers call themselves Ahmadi Muslims, only to differentiate themselves from members of other Islamic sects, and strictly follow the orthodox religion of Islam.

As far as the fundamental beliefs or acts of worship are concerned, the Ahmadi Muslims have neither taken anything out nor added anything new to the religion of Islam. The Ahmadi Muslims make their declaration of faith by reciting the same Kalima which was recited by the Holy Prophet Muhammad himself; they say their Prayers and fast in the same manner as the Holy Prophet of Islam did; and their Qiblah, their Ka'ba, their Azan and their Quran are all exactly the same as that of the other Muslims.

DIFFERENCES WITH SUNNI MUSLIMS

There are basically three beliefs held by Ahmadi Muslims which separate them from the mainstream of Sunni Islam. These three beliefs concern:

o The finality of Muhammad's prophethood.

o Jesus Christ's ascension to heaven, and

o the identity of the Promised Messiah

These three areas of contention between Ahmadi and Sunni Muslims are briefly described below:

The Finality of Muhammad's Prophethood

In verse 41 of Surah al Ahzab, the Prophet Muhammad has been given the title of Khataman Nabiyyeen, the Seal of the Prophets. A majority of the Muslims interpret from this verse that the Holy Prophet Muhammad was chronologically the last Prophet and that no new Prophet can come after him. They also believe the phenomenon of prophetic revelation to be closed for ever.

According to the Ahmadi Muslims, the expression 'Seal of the Prophets' does not mean that the Holy Prophet is chronologically the last Prophet. A seal is a mark of distinction and, in this case, implies great perfection of prophethood. Ahmadis believe that the door to prophethood is always open. However, a new prophet after the Prophet Muhammad must be a follower of his and must be from within the fold of Islam. Ahmadi Muslims do believe that the Prophet Muhammad was the last law giving Prophet and that no new law giving prophet can come after him.

Jesus Christ's Ascension to Heaven

The Sunni Muslims believe that Jesus was not put on the cross and that his place was actually taken by someone who resembled him. Jesus, according to them, was physically raised to heaven.

Ahmadis believe that Jesus was indeed put on the cross, but only for a few hours. They believe that Jesus, after recovering from his wounds, traveled East to Kashmir where he died a natural death and remains buried in a tomb in Srinagar, in Mohallah Khanyar.

The Identity of the Promised Messiah

A majority of the Sunni Muslims believe that Jesus Christ himself will return one day as the latter day Messiah.

Ahmadi Muslims believe that since Jesus Christ has already died, it can only be someone else who can appear as the latter day Messiah. Ahmadis believe that this Promised Messiah has already come in the person of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad alaihisslam of Qadian.

These are the three important areas of contention between the Ahmadi and Sunni Muslims. In all other essential Islamic beliefs, the two groups hold more or less similar views.

 

 
 
the book analyses Ahmadiyya under the branch of sunni islam, yet it states three major differences.. their say on Prophethood is that Prophet Muhammad is the seal of Prophethood not Prophets.. And, they argue that Mirza Ahmad is the Messiah.. Strange thing is they could just say they believed in reincarnation specifically for Jesus (which to me should be the case if Jesus were to come not just as in movement but both in person and ideology/movement).. But, Ahmadis say the two (Jesus and mirza Ahmad) have no relation after all, the latter is the promised one in the end times.. Interestingly because the movement does not succeed, they believe in occultation.. lol. there are more weird people in islam than myself..  :D I would love them more if they followed Jafari fiqh instead of hanafi and they all believed in imamate and they did not believe in the wrong person as the second coming of Messiah..
Edited by HamzaTR

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السلام عليكم

 

According to Allama Yaqoobi, the Ahmadiyyah are a valid Islamic sect.  As I doubt that any member of this site has studied Islam as much as him, and I highly doubt that anybody on this site has the level of knowledge that he does, I would be very careful about doing takfeer if I was you.  They claim to be Muslims and they believe in la ilaha illa Allah, Muhammadar rasul Allah therefore I refuse to judge them on it.  It's amazing how easily all of you throw around takfeer.  It's quite sad, actually.  May Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì guide us all.  Most of the members on this website are Shias; not takfeeris.  Act like it.

 

In response to the OP: I have studied the Ahmadiyya extensively and yes, they are for the most part Sunni.  They follow the Sunni view on most issues such as the status of the sahabah, khalifat, etc.  Their fiqh is not Hanafi nor is it "Sunni".  It resembles Sunni fiqh, but it is different in many respects.  For example, Ahmadi's are allowed to combine prayers if they doubt that they will not have enough time to separate them.  Shias are allowed to combine for any reason whatsoever.  Sunnis are not allowed to combine unless they are sure that they won't be able to make it.  Ahmadi's can only combine if they doubt having enough time.  It's much more unrestrictive than the Sunni fiqh but more restrictive than the Shia fiqh (on this issue at least).  There are many other examples.  One of my favourite examples is the dominant position when standing in salaat.  Most Ahmadi's fold their hands as the Sunnis do, but Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was very clear that folding hands or leaving them at the sides was valid.  Either or.  He was known to switch between the two positions regularly to emphasize this.

 

So yes, they did grow out of Sunniism but they have developed their own distinct aqeeda as well as their own distinct fiqh.

 

في أمان الله

Edited by Mu3lam

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