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American Cia Admits Arming Terrorist Rebels Syria

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The American regime has begun to arming the liver-eating, head-chopping, mass murderers (the foreign 'rebels') in Syria, so that they can kill more innocent people.
 
Expect more innocent Syrians, Muslims and Christians alike, to continue being killed by these terrorists.
 
This is the latest in a long list of terrorist groups paid by the American regime. The USA is the largest source of state-sponsored terrorism. 
 
 
CIA admits to arming terrorist rebels in Syria 
 
Washington (CNN) -- CIA-funded weapons have begun flowing to Syrian rebels, a U.S. official told CNN. But opposition groups say they have yet to receive any.
 
The official confirmed details first reported by the Washington Post but would not speak publicly.
 
"That is something we are not going to dispute, but we are not going to publicly speak to it," the official said.
 
The weapons are not American-made, but are funded and organized by the CIA. They started to reach rebels about two weeks ago, the official said. 
 
The artillery was described as light weapons, some anti-tank weapons and ammunition.
 
The Syrian National Coalition and the Free Syrian Army deny they have received weapons from the United States.
 
"We have some promises from the U.S. administration of shipment of weapons in a short period of time, but until now we have not received any," said Free Syrian Army Political and Media Coordinator Louay al-Mokdad.
 
"We have logistical help, but we didn't get weapons until now. We hope that in the next short period of time we will start receiving weapons, because we have promises from EU countries and the U.S. that they will help us and support us."
 
The supply is in addition to the non-lethal aid that the United States has been providing the rebels since April, when the Obama administration first altered the nature of the aid to include items such as body armor, night vision goggles and other military equipment.
 
The official insisted the effort has been in the works for some time, and did not start as an effort to appease those calling for more rebel aid during the new diplomatic initiative with Russia.
 
Kerry hints at transfer
 
Secretary of State John Kerry said Tuesday during a Google+ Hangout discussion that "many of the items that people complained were not getting to them are now getting to them." He did not elaborate on specifics.
 
A spokeswoman for the National Security Council declined comment.
 
"We aren't able to inventory or provide timelines for every type of assistance we provide to the Syrian opposition," spokeswoman Bernadette Meehan said.
 
CNN could not reach members of the rebel forces early Thursday morning.
 
Congress approved supply
 
The supply of weapons was approved by Congress after the Obama administration asserted the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad had used chemical weapons on a small scale. But no progress toward physically supplying the rebels had been reported since then.
 
"Some things have not been getting to the opposition as rapidly as one would have hoped," Kerry said Tuesday.
 
CNN first reported on the plan to arm Syrian rebels with small arms and ammunition in June, but officials refused to lay out a time line on delivery.
 
Obama's national security team and members of Congress have repeatedly urged the president to increase direct aid for the rebels.
 
They argue such a step would strengthen the hand of moderate members of the Syrian opposition, and make them less reliant on well-armed extremist elements within their ranks.
 
Other developments
 
The latest developments come on the eve of new diplomatic negotiations between the United States and Russia, which begin Thursday in Geneva, Switzerland.
 
Secretary Kerry will meet with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov for two days to discuss a Moscow proposal to avert a U.S.-led strike in Syria by having the Syrian government put its chemical weapons stockpile under international control.
 
But as Russia continues to supply Bashar Al-Assad's regime with weapons while the U.S. supplies the rebels, and Putin writes a piece in the New York Times questioning the authority of Obama's call for military strikes, the baggage being brought to the negotiation table continues to pile up before talks have even begun.
 

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/12/politics/syria-arming-rebels/index.html

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Agreed.

but I don't know that I am convinced the world would be a safer place if the U.S. disarmed.  I wonder if all sorts of chaos wouldn't break out around the globe.  All treaties of support and protection would become null and void.  There is a reason things got to this point.

If your chart is correct, I am amazed that Europe is second, and not Russia.  Doesn't make sense that Russia comes behind Middle east either... unless, I suppose, it is because the middle east is taken as a whole and is not one country whereas Russia is one country.

Where is Japan?  Central/south asia? Hard to imagine that, especially considering, weren't they just recently deploying against some island that they dispute with China over?

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So you're not actually for disarming, thanks for clarifying. You just want others to disarm. 

 

 

I'm just expressing my doubts and concerns about how safe the world would be.

Idealistically it would be wonderful if everyone would lay down arms and never take them up against one another again.

Don't think that is going to happen without the help of Messiah.

 

I mean it's not like the United States is the only one wanting armaments, and I am sure that there are others that would jump at the chance to have the power.  The question is, how would they use that power.  We have seen what mid-east leaders have done with power... dictators and oppressors.  We have seen what Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, and others have done with power.

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I'm just expressing my doubts and concerns about how safe the world would be.

Idealistically it would be wonderful if everyone would lay down arms and never take them up against one another again.

Don't think that is going to happen without the help of Messiah.

Exactly, you didn't mean it when you said "I really wish the world could stop making weapons... melt them all down... beat them into plowshares, and be done with fighting one another and turn attention to helping one another." 

 

I mean it's not like the United States is the only one wanting armaments, and I am sure that there are others that would jump at the chance to have the power.  The question is, how would they use that power.  

Probably kill less people than the millions the US kills, invade fewer countries with less regularity, instigate fewer wars, and drop fewer drone bombs? In Iraq alone the number of innocent Iraqi people killed is above one million dollars. Almost anyone else could have done a better job. 

There would be far fewer terrorist groups around the world, because the United States wouldn't be sponsoring them. 

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Exactly, you didn't mean it when you said "I really wish the world could stop making weapons... melt them all down... beat them into plowshares, and be done with fighting one another and turn attention to helping one another." 

 

Probably kill less people than the millions the US kills, invade fewer countries with less regularity, instigate fewer wars, and drop fewer drone bombs? In Iraq alone the number of innocent Iraqi people killed is above one million dollars. Almost anyone else could have done a better job. 

There would be far fewer terrorist groups around the world, because the United States wouldn't be sponsoring them. 

 

"I really wish"

as in wishful thinking.  I do really mean it but I know it's not going to happen and I still want to be safe in the world, don't you?

 

Oh yes, all those people in the world that want to insist that their way is the only way, and to even speak of something different could get you in trouble, are going to be real nice to the world.   Yup.  You're right I guess.

 

You have your own kind of wishful thinking.

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Oh yes, all those people in the world that want to insist that their way is the only way, and to even speak of something different could get you in trouble, are going to be real nice to the world.   Yup.  You're right I guess.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_pot_calling_the_kettle_black

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I really wish the world could stop making weapons... melt them all down... beat them into plowshares, and be done with fighting one another and turn attention to helping one another. :(

 

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They have starting arming before the conflict begin..............They did it in Afghanistan earlier and now are paying its prize........

Better said by President Rouhani that those who start the war will be the first who will be affected by the war.........!!

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You'll wait for something that (you think) won't happen?

 

Well I know for sure it will happen when the Messiah returns... whether or not I am here for that remains to be seen. :)

Meanwhile I wait in expectant hope and prayer that humans may begin to learn, and that perhaps that is the way it is meant to be accomplished... that perhaps that will be the Messiah returning... when He lives in everyone's hearts and they lay down their weapons and beat them into plowshares.  After all, I do not know that is not the plan of God. :)

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Yes, we can: Obama waives anti-terrorism provisions to arm Syrian rebels

 

The Obama administration waived provisions of a federal law which ban the supply of weapons and money to terrorists. The move is opening doors to supplying Syrian opposition with protection from chemical weapons.
 
The Arms Export Control Act (AECA) allows the US president to waive provisions in Sections 40 and 40A, which forbid providing munitions, credit and licenses to countries supporting acts of terrorism. But those prohibitions can be waived "if the President determines that the transaction is essential to the national security interests of the United States."
 
President Barrack Obama ordered such a waiver for supplying chemical weapons-related assistance to "select vetted members" of Syrian opposition forces, the administration announced on Monday.
 

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The USA regime continues to provoke chaos in the middle-east... 

 

 

Syrian Talks Disrupted by Congress’s Approval of Aid to Rebels JAN. 28, 2014

GENEVA — New fireworks erupted at talks between the Syrian government and the opposition here on Tuesday, as the government sharply criticized a recent decision by the United States Congress to approve continued support for the Syrian rebels, and the United Nations’ top mediator decided not to continue talks in the afternoon. 


 



U.S. Congress Adopts Secret Shipping of Weapons to Syrian Bands

Washington, Jan 28 (Prensa Latina) The U.S. Congress approved the secret sending of weapons and financial support to armed groups seeking to forcefully overthrow the Syrian government, media reported today. The assistance includes several types of anti-tank rockets, infantry ammunition and other supplies essential for the actions of so-called "moderate sectors" within subversive groups in the Arab country.




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This is not good news.  I wish I had time to look into it more... and the reasons behind this move by the congress.  I seem to remember hearing something about Assad not holding up his end of the bargain in disposing of the chemical weapons on the timetable that was agreed upon.

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10 Chemical Weapons Attacks Washington Doesn't Want You to Talk About

 


Washington doesn't merely lack the legal authority for a military intervention in Syria. It lacks the moral authority. We're talking about a government with a history of using chemical weapons against innocent people far more prolific and deadly than the mere accusations Assad faces from a trigger-happy Western military-industrial complex, bent on stifling further investigation before striking.

 


Here is a list of 10 chemical weapons attacks carried out by the U.S. government or its allies against civilians.

 




 

1. The U.S. Military Dumped 20 Million Gallons of Chemicals on Vietnam from 1962 - 1971

 

During the Vietnam War, the U.S. military sprayed 20 million gallons of chemicals, including the very toxic Agent Orange, on the forests and farmlands of Vietnam and neighboring countries, deliberately destroying food supplies, shattering the jungle ecology, and ravaging the lives of hundreds of thousands of innocent people. Vietnam estimates that as a result of the decade-long chemical attack, 400,000 people were killed or maimed, 500,000 babies have been born with birth defects, and 2 million have suffered from cancer or other illnesses. In 2012, the Red Cross estimated that one million people in Vietnam have disabilities or health problems related to Agent Orange.

 

2. Israel Attacked Palestinian Civilians with White Phosphorus in 2008 - 2009

 

White phosphorus is a horrific incendiary chemical weapon that melts human flesh right down to the bone. 

 

In 2009, multiple human rights groups, including Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, and International Red Cross reported that the Israeli government was attacking civilians in their own country with chemical weapons. An Amnesty International team claimed to find "indisputable evidence of the widespread use of white phosphorus" as a weapon in densely-populated civilian areas. The Israeli military denied the allegations at first, but eventually admitted they were true.

 

After the string of allegations by these NGOs, the Israeli military even hit a UN headquarters(!) in Gaza with a chemical attack. How do you think all this evidence compares to the case against Syria? Why didn't Obama try to bomb Israel?

 

3. Washington Attacked Iraqi Civilians with White Phosphorus in 2004

 

In 2004, journalists embedded with the U.S. military in Iraq began reporting the use of white phosphorus in Fallujah against Iraqi insurgents. First the military lied and said that it was only using white phosphorus to create smokescreens or illuminate targets. Then it admitted to using the volatile chemical as an incendiary weapon. At the time, Italian television broadcaster RAI aired a documentary entitled, "Fallujah, The Hidden Massacre," including grim video footage and photographs, as well as eyewitness interviews with Fallujah residents and U.S. soldiers revealing how the U.S. government indiscriminately rained white chemical fire down on the Iraqi city and melted women and children to death.

 

4. The CIA Helped Saddam Hussein Massacre Iranians and Kurds with Chemical Weapons in 1988

 

CIA records now prove that Washington knew Saddam Hussein was using chemical weapons (including sarin, nerve gas, and mustard gas) in the Iran-Iraq War, yet continued to pour intelligence into the hands of the Iraqi military, informing Hussein of Iranian troop movements while knowing that he would be using the information to launch chemical attacks. At one point in early 1988, Washington warned Hussein of an Iranian troop movement that would have ended the war in a decisive defeat for the Iraqi government. By March an emboldened Hussein with new friends in Washington struck a Kurdish village occupied by Iranian troops with multiple chemical agents, killing as many as 5,000 people and injuring as many as 10,000 more, most of them civilians. Thousands more died in the following years from complications, diseases, and birth defects.

 

5. The Army Tested Chemicals on Residents of Poor, Black St. Louis Neighborhoods in The 1950s

 

In the early 1950s, the Army set up motorized blowers on top of residential high-rises in low-income, mostly black St. Louis neighborhoods, including areas where as much as 70% of the residents were children under 12. The government told residents that it was experimenting with a smokescreen to protect the city from Russian attacks, but it was actually pumping the air full of hundreds of pounds of finely powdered zinc cadmium sulfide. The government admits that there was a second ingredient in the chemical powder, but whether or not that ingredient was radioactive remains classified. Of course it does. Since the tests, an alarming number of the area's residents have developed cancer. In 1955, Doris Spates was born in one of the buildings the Army used to fill the air with chemicals from 1953 - 1954. Her father died inexplicably that same year, she has seen four siblings die from cancer, and Doris herself is a survivor of cervical cancer.

 

6. Police Fired Tear Gas at Occupy Protesters in 2011

 

The savage violence of the police against Occupy protesters in 2011 was well documented, and included the use of tear gas and other chemical irritants. Tear gas is prohibited for use against enemy soldiers in battle by the Chemical Weapons Convention. Can't police give civilian protesters in Oakland, California the same courtesy and protection that international law requires for enemy soldiers on a battlefield?

 

7. The FBI Attacked Men, Women, and Children With Tear Gas in Waco in 1993

 

At the infamous Waco siege of a peaceful community of Seventh Day Adventists, the FBI pumped tear gas into buildings knowing that women, children, and babies were inside. The tear gas was highly flammable and ignited, engulfing the buildings in flames and killing 49 men and women, and 27 children, including babies and toddlers. Remember, attacking an armed enemy soldier on a battlefield with tear gas is a war crime. What kind of crime is attacking a baby with tear gas?

 

8. The U.S. Military Littered Iraq with Toxic Depleted Uranium in 2003

 

In Iraq, the U.S. military has littered the environment with thousands of tons of munitions made from depleted uranium, a toxic and radioactive nuclear waste product. As a result, more than half of babies born in Fallujah from 2007 - 2010 were born with birth defects. Some of these defects have never been seen before outside of textbooks with photos of babies born near nuclear tests in the Pacific. Cancer and infant mortality have also seen a dramatic rise in Iraq. According to Christopher Busby, the Scientific Secretary of the European Committee on Radiation Risk, "These are weapons which have absolutely destroyed the genetic integrity of the population of Iraq." After authoring two of four reports published in 2012 on the health crisis in Iraq, Busby described Fallujah as having, "the highest rate of genetic damage in any population ever studied."

 

9. The U.S. Military Killed Hundreds of Thousands of Japanese Civilians with Napalm from 1944 - 1945

 

Napalm is a sticky and highly flammable gel which has been used as a weapon of terror by the U.S. military. In 1980, the UN declared the use of napalm on swaths of civilian population a war crime. That's exactly what the U.S. military did in World War II, dropping enough napalm in one bombing raid on Tokyo to burn 100,000 people to death, injure a million more, and leave a million without homes in the single deadliest air raid of World War II.

 

10. The U.S. Government Dropped Nuclear Bombs on Two Japanese Cities in 1945

 

Although nuclear bombs may not be considered chemical weapons, I believe we can agree they belong to the same category. They certainly disperse an awful lot of deadly radioactive chemicals. They are every bit as horrifying as chemical weapons if not more, and by their very nature, suitable for only one purpose: wiping out an entire city full of civilians. It seems odd that the only regime to ever use one of these weapons of terror on other human beings has busied itself with the pretense of keeping the world safe from dangerous weapons in the hands of dangerous governments.


 


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The United States of America Global White racist terrorist entity won't disarm. That is why the America White racists need be slammed for exactly what the country is; a bastion for hate , so-called "Christian faith," and for the protection of White supremacist power throughout the earth.

 

 What the White racist people of the United States of America want is to empower Nusra to defeat Islamic State of Iraq and Syria. American White, Christians, say what ever is convenient for false appearance' sake and everything they do advances only White racial supremacy over all others.

 

 Their priority now is doing as much harm as they may [from afar] to Islamic State of Iraq and Syria because Christians perceive it as interfering with White racist plans in Iraq as well as threatening *jews in Israel. White racist Christian "believers" will use Nusra to do what harm may be done [from afar] to the party for which their hatred is felt most strong. This is true Christian "love" in Jesus' name.

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The United States of America Global White racist terrorist entity won't disarm. That is why the America White racists need be slammed for exactly what the country is; a bastion for hate , so-called "Christian faith," and for the protection of White supremacist power throughout the earth.

What the White racist people of the United States of America want is to empower Nusra to defeat Islamic State of Iraq and Syria. American White, Christians, say what ever is convenient for false appearance' sake and everything they do advances only White racial supremacy over all others. Their priority now is doing as much harm as they may [from afar] to Islamic State of Iraq and Syria because Christians perceive it as interfering with White racist plans in Iraq as well as threatening *jews in Israel. White racist Christian "believers" will use Nusra to do what harm may be done [from afar] to the party for which their hatred is felt most strong. This is true Christian "love" in Jesus' name.

You are 100% Correct this is what I have been saying SubbanAllah god bless you. We all know this is the American Theocracy planning there final crusade on Shias. And they use there satanic puppets to enforce it.

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Thank you very much for speaking God's Blessing on me, and I the same wish of God's Blessing upon yourself and your loved ones, Should God so Will to Bless His servants.

 

I listened to a Christian missionary here in Illinois who he and his wife had for a time been sent to try to win Moslems away from Quran and to so-called "Jesus' forgiveness of sins to the sinner." [To Pakistan] He said while speaking to his listeners that "you first have to sin them" by which he said he meant the Moslems don't admit that they are sinners and first effort must be made to work upon the individual and persuade him [or her] that her sinfulness needs Jesus forgiveness. Their method is to try to burn and sear the idea of sinful behavior into persons. Here in America the so-call "Church of Scientology" does something similar in asking prospective members to think upon their traumatic life's events and register the electromagnetic [whetstone bridge] tracing of them while holding onto the handles of what they say is an E-meter [electromagnetic meter]. Scientology just wants to electromagnetically gauge strong bodily responses to any impactful remembered matter or even in the subject's life history which registers on the devise, be that an experience of sin or otherwise.

 

So called "Christian believers" do want to gather together a collective "of sinners."  In THIS, Christian "faith" leads its "flock." They will say then that supposedly Jesus can somehow hear them and has the divine ability to take their sinfulness upon himself, leaving the sinner that "has come in Jesus' name" purified after the event.

 

 This is a damnable subversion of Jesus ministries. They have made the man into a god so that they may lead souls who revel in their sins to Jesus. For his "forgiveness," they will say.

 

Yes, even more than the older global White racial purity advancing powers in Germany, England, Nederlands/Holland, France, Sweden, the United States has jockied itself into foremost position as the bastion of "Christian faith" for the world, and as foremost among the enemies of God's Revealed Word and Guidance.

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Thank you very much for speaking God's Blessing on me, and I the same wish of God's Blessing upon yourself and your loved ones, Should God so Will to Bless His servants.

 

I listened to a Christian missionary here in Illinois who he and his wife had for a time been sent to try to win Moslems away from Quran and to so-called "Jesus' forgiveness of sins to the sinner." [To Pakistan] He said while speaking to his listeners that "you first have to sin them" by which he said he meant the Moslems don't admit that they are sinners and first effort must be made to work upon the individual and persuade him [or her] that her sinfulness needs Jesus forgiveness. Their method is to try to burn and sear the idea of sinful behavior into persons. Here in America the so-call "Church of Scientology" does something similar in asking prospective members to think upon their traumatic life's events and register the electromagnetic [whetstone bridge] tracing of them while holding onto the handles of what they say is an E-meter [electromagnetic meter]. Scientology just wants to electromagnetically gauge strong bodily responses to any impactful remembered matter or even in the subject's life history which registers on the devise, be that an experience of sin or otherwise.

 

So called "Christian believers" do want to gather together a collective "of sinners."  In THIS, Christian "faith" leads its "flock." They will say then that supposedly Jesus can somehow hear them and has the divine ability to take their sinfulness upon himself, leaving the sinner that "has come in Jesus' name" purified after the event.

 

 This is a damnable subversion of Jesus ministries. They have made the man into a god so that they may lead souls who revel in their sins to Jesus. For his "forgiveness," they will say.

 

Yes, even more than the older global White racial purity advancing powers in Germany, England, Nederlands/Holland, France, Sweden, the United States has jockied itself into foremost position as the bastion of "Christian faith" for the world, and as foremost among the enemies of God's Revealed Word and Guidance.

 

Greetings Ahmed Ismail,

 

I am curious if you have ever studied any psychology, and if you have heard of a thing called denial.  Until a person comes out of denial they can not progress away from sin and temptation... they must first be able to admit there is a problem... they must first be able to admit the sinful nature.  This is what we do with the help of Yshwe.  By turning to God... we come out of denial, admit the truth and receive the strength to change.

"If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us.  10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us." (1 John 1)

 

Here are some basic principles:

I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. (Romans 7:18 NIV)

We believe in a power greater than ourselves.

For it is God who works in you to will and to act according to His good purpose. (Philippians 2:13 NIV)

We turn our life and will over to the care of God.

Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God - this is your spiritual act of worship. (Romans 12:1 NIV)

We make a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.

Let us examine our ways and test them, and let us return to the Lord. (Lamentations 3:40 NIV)

We admit to God, to ourselves, and to another human being, the exact nature of our wrongs.

Therefore, confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. (James 5:16 NIV)

We are entirely ready to have God remove all our defects of character.

Humble yourselves before the Lord, and He will lift you up. (James 4:10 NIV)

We humbly ask God to remove all our shortcomings.

If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. (1 John 1:9 NIV)

 

Salaam and blessings.

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Ahhh, she quotes from Romans by the murderous, persecutor Saul/Paul.

 

My favorite "info quote", in the Douhey translation, is the 2nd paragraph, Chapter 3: "Do evil, so god can judge the World"

 

 

That's why we call Xians: evilgelicals

 

---well, one reason, anyway

 

CLynn: I have a question for you.

 

Why all the emphasis on "confession". The God of Noah, Allah (s.w.t.) is witness to all things.

As per New Testament also, He (s.w.t.) "already knows".

 

So why go around and "confess" as if you have no sense of shame about your faults and sins.?

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CLynn: I have a question for you.

 

Why all the emphasis on "confession". The God of Noah, Allah (s.w.t.) is witness to all things.

As per New Testament also, He (s.w.t.) "already knows".

 

So why go around and "confess" as if you have no sense of shame about your faults and sins.?

 

Greetings hasanhh,

 

Posted on Jan. 27th, on another thread...

 

Confessing our sin forces us to bear the burden of our shame rather than to hide it.

It is in hiding that the devil defeats us.  It is in causing us to hide that the devil wins over us, causing us further separation from the Creator, from others, and from our own dignity.

In sharing we come to see that others also have these burdens... and in sharing with one another we share the weight of the burden so that we may pray for one another and strengthen one another.

When we share each others burdens we strengthen one another to not commit them again.

When we invite others in, we invite also God to come in. :)

 

asalaam,

Clynn

Ahhh, she quotes from Romans by the murderous, persecutor Saul/Paul.

 

Ah, but why is it a practice always to discount the fact that Saul was converted and became Paul, follower of Christ... himself then persecuted till death.

I hope that muslim reverts are not treated this way.

Salaam.

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Christianity stipulates that every human is born sinful, even as a newborn baby. Sin is "inherited" from the parents all the way back to Adam and Eve. Although Orthodox Christianity denies this, western; catholic and protestantism always emhasized this. It means that according to christianity, a newborn child that. God forbid, dies, will go to eternal punishment in hell because it has not yet grown old enought to intellectually persuade itself that accepting the sacrifice of 1 God-Man will cure the disease of original sin. Although in catholicism, such babies goes to "limbo" awaiting the 2nd coming. Another illogical fact about the christian religion is the trinity that stipulates that God is 1 in essence that is shared in 3 hypostasis or "persons". This means that when Jesus taught his followers to Pray the Lord's Prayer or when he prayed to God for mercy in the garden of Getsemane he was actually praying to himself!

 

A very specific idea for protestantism in america is the belief that the modern mediterranean state (occupation) called Israel is the same Children of Israel of the Bible and that the Israel of the Bible is not the forefathers of the followers of Jesus (who were initially jews remember) but a separate specific ethnicity, more blessed than other disbelieving ethnicities & that must be supported, praised & blessed in perpetuity to avoid God's punishment. This idea is rejected by all christian churches because it would mean that Jesus was not the messiah of Israel. The roman destruction of the temple confirmed the prophecies of the Old Testament and signaled to the followers of Jesus and his apostles that the end of the judaic temple era was over and the messianic age had begun.

 

The most harmful idea of american christianity is the idea of "eternal security" or "once saved always saved" in which it is believed that the inhereted spiritually deadly disease of original sin that is cured by intellectually convincing oneself that the 1 and only sacrifice of a God-Man will save the believer from his Past, present and even future sins (and hellfire). I personally believe that it's this article of faith that causes the most havoc because it gives a blank check to any kind of corruption and agression as long as you have "accepted Jesus Christ as you personal Lord and Saviour". This supposed guarantee of salvation from eternal punishment combined with the decree from the Torah that "those who curse the children of Abraham will be cursed and thos who bless them will be blessed" that is interpreted as meaning the modern state of Israel are important psychological factors behind the support for the occupation & ethnic cleansing of Palestine aswell as the at least annually launched wars of aggression on at least 1 or more of Israel's neighbours.

 

I also believe this idea fuels many "christians" support for more middle-eastern wars because they imagine they must defend the modern state of Israel (imagined to be the Bible's "children of Abraham") from any percieved future threat. It wouldnt work without the media propaganda of course. Although american christian zionists tend to disagree with the specific tactic of supporting these "rebels" in Syria they dont seem against an all out american war on Syria. It's just that they actualy have believe what everyone in the media and authority has told them to be their enemy; islamist radicals

 

In Islam you are born pure. We can notice from our own childhood and from observing other kids that they're naturally innocent and close to God. Not until ideologies are learned, corruptions is being imitated to succeed in this world does sin become a factor separating the child from God.

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Why all the emphasis on "confession". The God of Noah, Allah (s.w.t.) is witness to all things.

As per New Testament also, He (s.w.t.) "already knows".

 

So why go around and "confess" as if you have no sense of shame about your faults and sins.?

 

Greetings hasanhh,

 

I was reminded of this tonight;

 

"A man is only a sick as his secrets."

 

Keeping secrets only serves to weaken a person in spirit, and in body.  Keeping secrets pre-occupies the mind and lowers the defenses of the body.  It is hard keeping secrets... confessing on the other hand frees us from this bondage and burden.

When we rid ourselves of secrets, we keep ourselves strong.  When hold onto secrets we allow ourselves to become weak and vulnerable to the wiles of the devil.

 

asalaam,

CLynn

Christianity stipulates that every human is born sinful, even as a newborn baby. Sin is "inherited" from the parents all the way back to Adam and Eve. Although Orthodox Christianity denies this, western; catholic and protestantism always emhasized this.

 

Greetings Shamati,

 

This comes directly from the Psalms of David... Judeo scriptures.

 

51:5  Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

 

Salaam,

CLynn

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Greetings Ahmed Ismail,

 

 Until a person comes out of denial they can not progress away from sin and temptation... they must first be able to admit there is a problem... they must first be able to admit the sinful nature.  This is what we do with the help of Yshwe.  By turning to God... we come out of denial, admit the truth and receive the strength to change

 

        No one disagrees with the fact that you have to realize you have a problem and you can admit your problem directly to God. I dont know what the point you are trying to make here. I dont know if this is your point but I am pretty sure you agree with this statement: its foolisness to believe that you need to confess your sins to others in order to realize there is a problem with yourself.

 

Posted on Jan. 27th, on another thread...

Confessing our sin forces us to bear the burden of our shame rather than to hide it.

In sharing we come to see that others also have these burdens... and in sharing with one another we share the weight of the burden so that we may pray for one another and strengthen one another.

When we share each others burdens we strengthen one another to not commit them again.

 

        You really think confessing forces a person to bear the burden of ones shameful deed. This is not true at all for you don't seem to comprehend the inner reality of what regret and repentance mean based on what you have said so far. You might think that confessing makes a person truly repentfull when this is not true at all. Apart from that I have seen people who become more bold in sinning due to confessing. Confessing is not the solution. Confessing is not the solution. Confessing is not the solution.

 

It is in causing us to hide that the devil wins over us, causing us further separation from the Creator, from others, and from our own dignity.

 

        No, rather it is persisting in sin which enables the devil to win over us.

        It is when a servant does not repent to God that the devil wins over us.

        It is when the servant does not feel shame and takes the sin lightly which enables the devil to win over us.

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51:5  Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

 

5 Indeed, I was born guilty,

a sinner when my mother conceived me.

 

Important to look at different translations. Your translation implies that the conception of Prophet David (as) was a sin 

alternative translation implies that Propet David (as) was born a sinner.

 

To be honest looking at the context it was said (within the bounds of Judae Christian history) it seems more like poetic license rather then a literal truth  

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So who is arming & supporting the Shia government of Iraq & its shia militia apart from Iran? America of course. With the courtesy of added American fighter jets fire power. Tikrit anyone? The shia militias on the ground, their amerian allies in the air bombing living daylights out of ISIS. A nice co-ordinated effort between team 'shia militias & America'. 'United States & militias of shi-imrika' anyone?

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Read and wake up. US is allied with the terrorists you are supporting.

In early May Charles Lister of the Brookings Institute Doha Center confirmed that “US-led operations rooms in southern Turkey and Jordan” have specifically “encouraged a closer cooperation with Islamists commanding frontline operations”, and while doing so have “dramatically increased [their] level of assistance and provisions of intelligence” to this Islamist-led opposition, all of which has led to the al-Qaeda victory in Idlib.(5)  So not only has the entire support to the opposition from the beginning been coordinated and commanded by the US, so too has the US spearheaded recent support to al-Qaeda along with its Turkish, Saudi, and Qatari allies.

These Western-backed advances were facilitated by the delivery of “gamechanging” new advanced weaponry to the extremists, including TOW anti-tank missiles.  The Guardian reports that the results of this “were shocking.  The regional capital of Idlib fell within days.  Several weeks later, the nearby town of Jisr al-Shughour also fell to an amalgam of jihadist.”(6)  All of this being “the outcome of the first heavy weapons to reach the hands of the Syrian opposition in years of civil war from Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the UAE and Turkey,” which was “blessed by Washington after long hesitation.”(7)http://www.globalresearch.ca/recent-isis-and-al-qaeda-rebel-gains-in-syria-and-iraq-a-result-of-us-support-to-extremists/5454417

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