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What's Your Opinion On Vlademir Putin?

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Politician leaders of this time/era needs to know all resource to gain power, material and non material.

Material is to survive in living.

Non material, i.e. religion, ideology, science etc is to control people.

 

Is there any guarantee that all the leaders today not exploiting, abusing this two power ? :no: :no: :no: :realangery:

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Politician leaders of this time/era needs to know all resource to gain power, material and non material.

Material is to survive in living.

Non material, i.e. religion, ideology, science etc is to control people.

 

Is there any guarantee that all the leaders today not exploiting, abusing this two power ? :no: :no: :no: :realangery:

 

Greetings myouvial,

 

Are you aware that over 100,000 were fasting and praying Saturday for a break in the Syrian situation?

It appears that break has been granted... a door has been opened.

 

The best possible outcome would be to see these chemical weapons destroyed by peaceful means. I applaud Russia for 'taking the ball and running with it'.

I think it always makes sense to take the path of peace.

 

Salaam,

CLynn

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Greetings myouvial,

 

Are you aware that over 100,000 were fasting and praying Saturday for a break in the Syrian situation?

It appears that break has been granted... a door has been opened.

 

The best possible outcome would be to see these chemical weapons destroyed by peaceful means. I applaud Russia for 'taking the ball and running with it'.

I think it always makes sense to take the path of peace.

 

Salaam,

CLynn

I hope so. :donno:

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My opinion is he knows how to deal with politics.

I don't LOVE him and I don't HATE him. 

Its for Russias benefit if Bashar al Assad doesn't fall, but it was for Russias benefit in 2006 that if Hezbollah falls (that didn't succeed either)

Edited by John Al-Ameli

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So someone can commit genocide and be excused because he's not Wali al-Fakih?

 

 

Funny to see Shias loving dictators, while we are supposed to stand against oppressors.

 

 

Greetings Rabin,

 

You know how the saying goes. One man's terrorist is another man's hero.

 

 

Shalom,

 

Darth Vader.

Edited by Darth Vader

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Lately, I've been pretty impressed with his stances and policies. He seems like a reasonable fellow when it comes to international affairs, but I can't say much about his domestic policies since I'm not very knowledgeable in that regard.

 

 

 

 

 

Chechen Salafis are pretty well known trouble makers and liars just so you know. 

Edited by Saintly_Jinn23

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Funny to see Shias loving dictators, while we are supposed to stand against oppressors.

Its funny when some people live in the West they begin talking about dictatorship and democracy as if they are civilized people.

Theres nothing called democracy, grow out of it.

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below is a good article on Putin and the (Hashemi/Khatami) Rohani Presidency of Iran, they are both quite similar to each other... neither particularly care about justice, and resistance, they are driven by purely nationalistic interests ... as such there will be periods when interests will coincide, as now... and in the future interests will diverge... Putin is a Russia Firster, and will happily abandon all and anything if Russia's interests do not coincide with any "ally" ... The problem for Iran is that they cannot play the big dogs game that Putin is playing with Obama. Rohani thinks he can play big dog game, if he abandons the values of the Islamic Revolution and drives Iran towards an Iranian nationalist course (as his teacher Hashemi wants him to do) ... but Iran will miserably fail in this regard, because Iran is only a major player if it holds on to Islamic values, and builds relations with the oppressed peoples of the world striving for justice. Anything else, and Iran is on course to become yet another third rate nation, that will be betrayed by Putin (Russia) and anyone else they try to play with. 

 

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MID-03-130913.html

 

"Paradoxically, the Rouhani presidency brings Iran much closer to Russia in its "de-ideologized" foreign-policy outlook. Indeed, Russia doesn't view the world through any ideological "East-West" prism. Nor is it enchanted by the ideas of "resistance" and "justice" that fired up Ahmedinejad, but which Rouhani is gradually relegating to the backburner. 

It is inconceivable that, like Putin's Russia, which scrupulously avoids the Soviet overreach, Rouhani's Iran also will ever set aside national interests as the paramount consideration in foreign policy even while involved in regional security issues. 

Rouhani is also wedded to globalization and neo-liberal policies as Russia is, and both see innovation of the economy as the core objective of national policies. Putin's first priority has always been to work toward an equal partnership with the West, and he never tires of looking for windows of opportunity. The approach of Rouhani, who arrives on American soil in a few days to attend the UN General Assembly session in New York, is much the same."

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His internal management of the economy is very bad! Russia has the potential of being a great industrial giant!

However, they only manufacture weapons and export oil and gas. The country has little consumer export industry a shame really.

Russia's dependence on energy export is shameful for such a country!

 

Perspective is key.

 

The post-Soviet Russian economy was and is a complex problem. A State that was so self-sufficient it ate itself alive coupled with a still live and active, ingrained and visceral, contempt of American style capitalism. The product is what we have.

 

A woman told me the other day that her father in the seventies could rent a room in Moskva for fourteen roubles - and that the rouble then was equal to the Australian dollar. Two bedrooms, bathroom, kitchen. What would have cost at the very least somewhere upward of a hundred dollars in the United States or Australia at the time - for fourteen roubles. After the collapse of the Soviet Union fourteen roubles was not enough to buy an orange. Perspective.

 

It is not that bad now, and that is in large measure owed to policies under Putin/Medvedev. But still, we are honest. Aware of the errors that lead to the collapse of the Soviet economy - even though the effects until it's collapse were immensely beneficial and are still remembered by our elders with great fondness; age-care and retirement pension, free health and dental care, universal availability of work and ectera - and hating the American alternative. We have less but more lucrative opportunities, low taxes but less viable public services and ambivalence about State domination of resources, privatization and outselling equally - as well as doubt and fear about exploiting non-naturally recurring resources [not immediately anyway] on a modern industrial scale besides.

 

Russia's potential is well-known. So too are the adverse effects of the kind of mindless rapaciousness that has produced international debt and potentially permanently affected the earth for ill. So too the un-sustainability and openings for corruption of total State control. So too the avenues of abuse in privatization and the likely sparing and ill-paid distribution of employment consequent upon this course. So too the danger of outselling; there was a very good documentary by Archimandrite Tikhon Shevkunov made for Russian television called the Lesson of Constantinople that drove this home heavily.

 

In a word - the best way forward is not yet clear. But to blame Medvedev and/or Putin for that is foolish and a whole litany of other adjectives I shall omit. And forward Russia is going any road.

 

My opinion of Putin. Constantine in the twenty first century. Strong, courageous, determined - and Christian. Good for the Church. And so good for the people. Good for morality and security. And these two are the dominating themes associated with Putin in the minds of the overwhelming majority of Russians. Today in Russia there is a feeling of permanence, stability, security. After the post-Soviet years, after children sleeping at the train-stations and murderers owning whole portions of the country, after Wahabi terrorists blowing up civilian apartments and kidnapping a kindergarten class, after Republic after Republic, historical parts of holy Rus defected and made borders uncertain, after museums owned all the Icons and the only churches, cathedrals and monasteries not in ruin were planetariums or dance-halls.

 

The Icons have been given back. The churches, cathedrals and monasteries re-paired or re-built. Relations with Ukraine and Belarussia are at their best since the dissolution of the Soviet Union. Chechnya and Dagestan are stable, non-hostile Muslim majority Republics. Nuns, monks and other honest Orthodox people look after and educate orphans. And stealing a sack of potatoes in a village is one year's imprisonment, leave aside a murder.

 

As for Putin as a man personally. I have not met him.

Edited by Servidor

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As Imam Ali said:

Never trust your freind completely because one day he could become your enemy

And never turn your back away from your enemy completely because he could one day became your friend.

I personally feel it is not sincere, Russia is the prime example of valdimir Putin's rule , his country is not in a good stance, there is much crimes and injustice going on, there is much problems in Russia

so if you were to judge Putin on his work to date, he isnt doing so well. He has certain points of justice, but at the same time there is much he could have done in Russia to make it better

 

I personally feel he is looking out for his self interests. Ever since America defeated the Russians' they have been in turmoil, and the Americans have never landed a hand to them or had any interest to help them
So Russia went the other way, because well they needed to have some ground, so they sided with the "outcasts" i.e Iran, China etc however now that Russia has a key role in the Syria conflict, America and Israel is offering them deals

which are blowing their minds, and they are not interested in Islam or promoting Islam, they are not interested even in justice or promoting justice, because if they had Russia would be a different country, and America would have attacked it for that reason, Russia would have become a second Iran, they are simply interested in their own selves and their self interest, gaining regional power, and having lots and lots of money. 

So i am just waiting for the moment Russia switches and gives in to the tons of bribes they will receive(for a short time) and caves in to international(axis of evil) threats and pressure. 


 

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The Russ have always had their Czar.  Putin gave his people what they wanted.  An illusion of security and a sense of power and grandeur.  Personally, I hope he can keeps it up.  The Russ, for the first time in their history are getting a taste of the good life for the individual.  One day, the Russ will be able to let go of their security blanket if Genghis Khan does not make another appearance. 

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The Russ have always had their Czar.  Putin gave his people what they wanted.  An illusion of security and a sense of power and grandeur.  Personally, I hope he can keeps it up.  The Russ, for the first time in their history are getting a taste of the good life for the individual.  One day, the Russ will be able to let go of their security blanket if Genghis Khan does not make another appearance. 

 

May we be spared your hopes for us.

 

The security is no illusion, believe me. As for the sense of power and grandeur, these are things quite foreign to ordinary Russians. At least as you use them. Humility, honesty, hard work, piety, kindness, faithfulness. Bread, family, good friends, Icons and Crosses, a church, an honest batiushka and a monastery or a staretz within a pilgrimage's distance; walls to break the wind and a roof to keep the sun and snow off of you. These are the things which most Russians know and love and have always known and loved.

 

The "good life" you speak of "for the individual" in the first place is never universal. If you have it all - someone else must not. If you have more - someone must have less. These are laws, immutable and providential. And as you speak, or did prior to being banned, as someone apparently versed in the history of the Rus - you must know that Russia had a taste and actually an addiction before the United States was even a country independent of Britain.

 

While you were beating migrants, whipping slaves and looking for gold there was a high, urbane society in Russia as well as a sufficiently well-off middle class. Poetry, piano, novels, opera and orchestra, gardens, orchards, vineyards, theatres, ballets, museums, summer houses. In a word, luxury. Equal to if not the same as, and arguably in many ways better than, the best off in the United States today. None of these things is in itself bad. But when in excess and at the expense of many others, indeed the majority [inasmuch as they have more than they need and rather than helping others, who do not have enough or who could use more, instead use it to amuse themselves].

 

We know why the Soviet State came. We know what our great grandparents were being punished for.

 

When Western liberal democracies are going to learn that the rest of the world - Russia and much else of Eastern Europe, all of Africa and the Middle East, and in some significant sense the rest of Asia as well - does not want their crass, selfish, ugly and unsustainable materialism and commercialism. What an interesting day that shall be.

 

The hope is that, and I hope I may in some way help it to be so, Russia's resources shall be used wisely. To quote Metropolitan Macarius of Moskva - "As the image of God, the son and inheritor of the Heavenly Father, man has been placed as a kind of intermediary between the Creator and the earthly creation. . .so that by concentrating the aims of all existing visible creatures in himself, he might through himself unite all things with God, and thus keep the whole chain of earthly creatures in a harmonious bond and order."

 

He wrote that in 1883. Imagine if the world had believed him and behaved accordingly. But: No. It was the age of liberalism, "the age of steamers and railways" to quote Fyodor Pavlovich in the Brothers Karamazov. нынче век либеральный, век пароходов и железных дорог. Dostoyevsky wrote that in 1880. Yes, even the argument from progress, that it is the time of the unbridled individual is an old one and certainly not new to Russia. A sizable portion of the quoted novelist's work is concerned with showing it to be demonstrably evil. Solzhenitsyn carried on where he left off.

 

May Russia be to good for men and even animalia and even the plants, to the very stones. May we help each other, and live and work and use what we have not to please ourselves, but for the glory of God, to preserve and articulate His grandeur, and for love of Him and of our neighbor. And in no other way shall we be happy; no other life is the good life.

 

But I go on.

Edited by Servidor

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May we be spared your hopes for us.

 

The security is no illusion, believe me. As for the sense of power and grandeur, these are things quite foreign to ordinary Russians. At least as you use them. Humility, honesty, hard work, piety, kindness, faithfulness. Bread, family, good friends, Icons and Crosses, a church, an honest batiushka and a monastery or a staretz within a pilgrimage's distance; walls to break the wind and a roof to keep the sun and snow off of you. These are the things which most Russians know and love and have always known and loved.

 

The "good life" you speak of "for the individual" in the first place is never universal. If you have it all - someone else must not. If you have more - someone must have less. These are laws, immutable and providential. And as you speak, or did prior to being banned, as someone apparently versed in the history of the Rus - you must know that Russia had a taste and actually an addiction before the United States was even a country independent of Britain.

 

While you were beating migrants, whipping slaves and looking for gold there was a high, urbane society in Russia as well as a sufficiently well-off middle class. Poetry, piano, novels, opera and orchestra, gardens, orchards, vineyards, theatres, ballets, museums, summer houses. In a word, luxury. Equal to if not the same as, and arguably in many ways better than, the best off in the United States today. None of these things is in itself bad. But when in excess and at the expense of many others, indeed the majority [inasmuch as they have more than they need and rather than helping others, who do not have enough or who could use more, instead use it to amuse themselves].

 

We know why the Soviet State came. We know what our great grandparents were being punished for.

 

When Western liberal democracies are going to learn that the rest of the world - Russia and much else of Eastern Europe, all of Africa and the Middle East, and in some significant sense the rest of Asia as well - does not want their crass, selfish, ugly and unsustainable materialism and commercialism. What an interesting day that shall be.

 

The hope is that, and I hope I may in some way help it to be so, Russia's resources shall be used wisely. To quote Metropolitan Macarius of Moskva - "As the image of God, the son and inheritor of the Heavenly Father, man has been placed as a kind of intermediary between the Creator and the earthly creation. . .so that by concentrating the aims of all existing visible creatures in himself, he might through himself unite all things with God, and thus keep the whole chain of earthly creatures in a harmonious bond and order."

 

He wrote that in 1883. Imagine if the world had believed him and behaved accordingly. But: No. It was the age of liberalism, "the age of steamers and railways" to quote Fyodor Pavlovich in the Brothers Karamazov. нынче век либеральный, век пароходов и железных дорог. Dostoyevsky wrote that in 1880. Yes, even the argument from progress, that it is the time of the unbridled individual is an old one and certainly not new to Russia. A sizable portion of the quoted novelist's work is concerned with showing it to be demonstrably evil. Solzhenitsyn carried on where he left off.

 

May Russia be to good for men and even animalia and even the plants, to the very stones. May we help each other, and live and work and use what we have not to please ourselves, but for the glory of God, to preserve and articulate His grandeur, and for love of Him and of our neighbor. And in no other way shall we be happy; no other life is the good life.

 

But I go on.

 

Like by throwing ballistic missiles into markets frequented by civilians?

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