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I have come across a certain man named Anjem Choudary. His (main) goal is to turn the United Kingdom into an Islamic state by establishing Sharia law in the country, according to himself. In my opinion, he is trying to achieve his goals by means of oppression, of which I am sure is absolutely forbidden in Islam. He is of Pakistani descent, and as far as I am concerned, he is a Sunnite. In any case, he is undoubtedly an Islamic extremist.

I have found a video of him. In this video he exposes Islam from his point of view, and after that certain non-Muslim politicians discuss Islam from their points of view. A remarkable moment in the video is when Choudary converts a 10-year-old boy to Islam (0:37), what I find to be very wrongful, as you might understand.

Here is the link to the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64V09tTIjR4

I would like to have your honest opinions as well as statements based on Islamic teachings about this man and his mentality.

Note that it is due to people like Choudary that non-Muslims see Islam as a threat, and so fear Muslims. If what he does is sinful according to Islam, then he is just ruining the reputation of genuine Islam and Muslims, and next to that reserving a hot place for himself in Hell. If it is sinful what he does and wants to achieve, how is it possible for an obviously God-fearing individual as himself to not consider himself sinful?

 

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I have come across a certain man named Anjem Choudary. His (main) goal is to turn the United Kingdom into an Islamic state by establishing Sharia law in the country, according to himself. In my opinion, he is trying to achieve his goals by means of oppression, of which I am sure is absolutely forbidden in Islam. He is of Pakistani descent, and as far as I am concerned, he is a Sunnite. In any case, he is undoubtedly an Islamic extremist.

I have found a video of him. In this video he exposes Islam from his point of view, and after that certain non-Muslim politicians discuss Islam from their point of view. A remarkable moment in the video is when Choudary converts a 10-year-old boy to Islam (0:37), what I find to be very wrongful, as you might understand.

Here is the link to the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64V09tTIjR4

I would like to have your honest opinions as well as statements based on Islamic teachings about this man and his mentality.

Note that it is due to people like Choudary that non-Muslims see Islam as a threat, and so fear Muslims. If what he does is sinful according to Islam, then he is just ruining the reputation of genuine Islam and Muslims, and next to that reserving a hot place for himself in Hell. If it is sinful what he does and wants to achieve, how is it possible for an obviously God-fearing individual as himself to not consider himself sinful?

 

It's people like this that send me into the lowest states of depression.

 

Baldwin do you know the feeling when you are telling the truth to someone and the whole world insists that you are lying? That is the feeling we get when we see such things. May Allah destroy this man and all the lies he is spreading about our religion :'(.

 

Now, for the bolded parts. I colour coded your quotes to match my responses:

 

"Islam does lays down heavy penalties for crimes committed but Islamic law takes into account, the circumstances under which the crime is committed. A person who steals due to hunger and poverty is not liable to have his hands cut off, nor is a person who has been coerced into stealing, punished. Also Islamic laws are not applicable in non-Muslim countries. So the objections raised are baseless." - Al-Islam.org

 

By the way, Islamic laws are not applicable in any country because the current global economic system is based on RIBA/USURY/INTEREST and therefore there is no Islamic state that exists and therefore no Islamic laws can be applied definitively.

 

You would be absolutely correct. Machiavellian tactics are absolutely forbidden in Islam. The ends do NOT justify the means.

 

"Say, "O disbelievers,

 
I do not worship what you worship.
 
Nor are you worshippers of what I worship.
 
Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship.
 
Nor will you be worshippers of what I worship.
 
For you is your religion, and for me is my religion."" - Quran
 
These verses have a context as do the violent verses. When those verses are taken out of the context of self-defence and wartime, they are destructive and are used to cause havoc and bloodshed in the world (the saddest part is that it is "in the name of Islam").
 
He is not capable of thinking for himself and is going with what the man is pressuring him to do. Quran forbids this:
 
"There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing." - Quran
 
This is the sad reality of the Muslim Ummah, brother. If you immerse yourself in the study of Islamic history, you will find that certain things went awry after the demise of the Prophet (pbuh), and suffice it to mention that these things (oppressive tyrant leaders of the nation, etc) led to the distortion of the religion on a huge scale.
 
The history of Islam is a very very vast topic and you will find, after research, that despite the corruption due to political power on large scales that took place, 15% of the Ummah maintained, as much as they could, the message of the Prophet (pbuh) and we are those 15%, the Shia. The sad part is that we have been oppressed from day 1. Literally. The day that the Prophet (pbuh) died is the day that the Shia became marginalized in society and were oppressed.
 
Many books have been destroyed in attempts to suppress the Shia for following their version of Islam and these things have been commonplace throughout history.
 
 
The reason this man is so convinced that his beliefs are correct is because of what they have all been taught from birth is the right path. Indoctrination can do wonders to make someone firm for a cause, even if that cause is unjust but logic and reason, if one is willing to open his mind to it, can break the chains of indoctrination.
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It's people like this that send me into the lowest states of depression.

 

Baldwin do you know the feeling when you are telling the truth to someone and the whole world insists that you are lying? That is the feeling we get when we see such things. May Allah destroy this man and all the lies he is spreading about our religion :'(.

 

Now, for the bolded parts. I colour coded your quotes to match my responses:

 

"Islam does lays down heavy penalties for crimes committed but Islamic law takes into account, the circumstances under which the crime is committed. A person who steals due to hunger and poverty is not liable to have his hands cut off, nor is a person who has been coerced into stealing, punished. Also Islamic laws are not applicable in non-Muslim countries. So the objections raised are baseless." - Al-Islam.org

 

By the way, Islamic laws are not applicable in any country because the current global economic system is based on RIBA/USURY/INTEREST and therefore there is no Islamic state that exists and therefore no Islamic laws can be applied definitively.

 

You would be absolutely correct. Machiavellian tactics are absolutely forbidden in Islam. The ends do NOT justify the means.

 

"Say, "O disbelievers,

 
I do not worship what you worship.
 
Nor are you worshippers of what I worship.
 
Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship.
 
Nor will you be worshippers of what I worship.
 
For you is your religion, and for me is my religion."" - Quran
 
These verses have a context as do the violent verses. When those verses are taken out of the context of self-defence and wartime, they are destructive and are used to cause havoc and bloodshed in the world (the saddest part is that it is "in the name of Islam").
 
He is not capable of thinking for himself and is going with what the man is pressuring him to do. Quran forbids this:
 
"There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing." - Quran
 
This is the sad reality of the Muslim Ummah, brother. If you immerse yourself in the study of Islamic history, you will find that certain things went awry after the demise of the Prophet (pbuh), and suffice it to mention that these things (oppressive tyrant leaders of the nation, etc) led to the distortion of the religion on a huge scale.
 
The history of Islam is a very very vast topic and you will find, after research, that despite the corruption due to political power on large scales that took place, 15% of the Ummah maintained, as much as they could, the message of the Prophet (pbuh) and we are those 15%, the Shia. The sad part is that we have been oppressed from day 1. Literally. The day that the Prophet (pbuh) died is the day that the Shia became marginalized in society and were oppressed.
 
Many books have been destroyed in attempts to suppress the Shia for following their version of Islam and these things have been commonplace throughout history.
 
 
The reason this man is so convinced that his beliefs are correct is because of what they have all been taught from birth is the right path. Indoctrination can do wonders to make someone firm for a cause, even if that cause is unjust.

 

I know the feeling, I know.

Thank-you very much for the enlightenment. I just knew that what that man is doing is not Islam, but absolute spread of evil.

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I tend to believe he is an intelligence asset.

 

The most baffling thing is he bills himself as a sharia judge, but doesn't speak or read Arabic. That speaks volumes.

LOL?

 

Doesn't read or speak arabic? Wth? Are you sure?

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LOL?

 

Doesn't read or speak arabic? Wth? Are you sure?

 

i would have to spend hours on youtube finding it again but he was asked about it once and confirmed that he cannot understand arabic

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I think of him as an attention-seeking clown. However, journalists love him because he can always be trusted to come out with sensationalist rubbish.

"Not that my involvement in stirring up a bit of light-hearted Islamaphobia stopped there. Many a morning I've hit my speed dial button to Muslim rent-a-rant Anjem Choudary to see if he fancied pulling together a few lines about whipping drunks or stoning homosexuals."

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2011/mar/04/daily-star-reporter-letter-full

i would have to spend hours on youtube finding it again but he was asked about it once and confirmed that he cannot understand arabic

For some reason it won't show up when I try to post it, but just search "Anjem Choudary doesn't know Arabic" on youtube, and it will come up.

There is one? Or was that sarcasm? Doesn't travel well over text.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1161909/Swilling-beer-smoking-dope-leering-porn-hate-preacher-Andy-Choudary.html Edited by Haydar Husayn

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I think this guy is a total disgrace to Islam.

I feel bad for the sunnis who are held responsible for the behavior of this guy.

He is just RIDICILOUS.

How are you going to institute sharia law in a country thats like 6% muslim? yeah right.

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