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Does anyone else as a revert feel left out when they attend the center occasions?

I feel that here where I am from is no united at all, and as i sit listening to lecturas I can not understand I wonder who else has these experiences... What did you do about it? Honestly I get sad when I go to lecturas because I can never benifit from it.

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Does anyone else as a revert feel left out when they attend the center occasions?

I feel that here where I am from is no united at all, and as i sit listening to lecturas I can not understand I wonder who else has these experiences... What did you do about it? Honestly I get sad when I go to lecturas because I can never benifit from it.

 

Are they In Arabic or English?

are't there Any Lectures in English Around you?

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Farsi speaking.

No Eng for Eid :( at our center.

 

Have You ever tried to associate with people while at the lecture? like ask people? I feel really bad for you, many people suffer the same.

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Here are some of the best of the best English Lecturers:

Sayed Ammar Nakshawani (RECOMMENDED!)

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyULSxR9v5w

 

 

 

Sayed Hossein Al-Qazwini

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnN159ezAsg

 

 

 

- Hajj Hassanain Rajabali 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAUj2hwEa_I

  

 

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All in All I advice you to try and be more Social in the Mosq, Perhaps asking the sisters in the Mosq,

Try to get involved and ask for material, places, and so on.

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May Allah Guide you sister

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Wa al salam

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Yes it was very sad to see such a limited to one language approach I understand why khorjas are so well respected. InshaAllah things get better there. But going to eid and not learning or being reminded of knowledge and feeling as though even the prayer was invalid because pronouncing of words as if farsi. I love Farsi and learn it and know some but I can see how many can feel left out.

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Have You ever tried to associate with people while at the lecture? like ask people? I feel really bad for you, many people suffer the same.

___________________________

Here are some of the best of the best English Lecturers:

Sayed Ammar Nakshawani (RECOMMENDED!)

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyULSxR9v5w

 

 

 

Sayed Hossein Al-Qazwini

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnN159ezAsg

 

 

 

- Hajj Hassanain Rajabali 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAUj2hwEa_I

  

 

____________________________________

All in All I advice you to try and be more Social in the Mosq, Perhaps asking the sisters in the Mosq,

Try to get involved and ask for material, places, and so on.

______________________________________

May Allah Guide you sister

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Wa al salam

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Salaam,

I have talked to them but i moved 2 hours away recently. JazakaAllah for the videos inshaAllah  will watch them.

Even I think if reverts try to talk to their shia bro or sis they still feel an odd barrier...

InshaAllah I wish for this dis unity because of our culture deminishes away. Sadly I see this so much, as for me i left all my culture in trades for my religion, but it seems others whom are born muslim hold tight to this unity of culture. I even see this in others whom want to marry from another culture they have much issues with parents...

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Try to learn Farsi if possible.

 

Also, insert yourself into everything.  Here in Sÿria, my people (the Alawitë) have never been welcomed but look at where we are now.  My great father (ra) took power in this beautiful country in 1966 via a coup d'état.  Nobody wanted him.  Not an evil Shi'ite, that can't be possible.  But now that I have power, the vast majority of Sÿrians love me.  This is because I have proven myself to be dedicated, intelligent, loyal, faithful, and overall just pure awesome (marg bar häters).  You can do the same thing.  At first they might uncomfortable with a convert, but they will learn to love you as long as you show them that you are serious.  Walk in there with your head up high, speaking Farsi, and saying "I love the family of the Prophet more than I love my self, may I be sacrificed for their, and Bashar al-Assad's, sake."  You will become very popular and be invited to several iftars every night.

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Happy Eid Mubarak!

 

Don't be sad try to socialize with the attendees... whenever i noticed someone who is new at our masjid, for example a revert, there is always a feeling inside me to go and welcome them and become friends with them because i don't want them to feel like an outsider among the people, and just love meeting and making new friends, im a really social person in the masjid, and then i translate what the sheikh is lecturing about, then after the lecture we chillout

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unfortunately many of the Shi'a centers in north america are cultural centers first, and Islamic may be second... it is a place that immigrants try to expose their children to Iranian/South Asian/Arab/you name it cultural norms, including language. I don't have any problem with this, personally, in fact Ayat. Sistani often tells visitors from the "west" to educate their children in the language of their origin.  However, I think this needs to be done away from the Islamic center, when they try to do this in the Islamic center - they end up driving away potential interest in Islam, and further end up isolating themselves. If Iranian/South Asian/Arab/you name it/ want to educate their children in their respective cultural norms, they should create a separate cultural center - such as an Iranian Center, or Pakistani Center, or Arab center ... but the Islamic center should be conducted in the language of the region where the people are living. 

 

I'll give another example of this, even in South American countries, where there are now many Iranians living, there is this problem of the Shi'a Islamic centers doing everything in Farsi, that is just absurd, given that the mission of these centers is to create an exchange with the local population. How are they supposed to learn about Islam, when they don't speak an iota of Farsi? However to their credit, they do have a number of events where the presentations, religious oriented movies, Islamic information is all done in Spanish, not as much as that might be needed, but definitely more that what takes place in north america

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If you see a problem in the shia community in your city or country then the best thing is for you to change it yourself. I have seen the same issues in Sweden and tried changing but with not much result so now I'm in Qom studying hawza and inshaAllah in the future I will hold at least one day per week sessions in our husayiniah in swedish and let the hussayniyah have their iraqi days and nights as much as they'd want. Unfortunately shia is like this and there's nothing we can do about it. Wahhabis have a good system, they speak the arabic text language (fusha) and then translate it into swedish. They are smart, but you know shias have been murdered and harrassed by the enemies of Ahl al-Bayt(A) throughout these 1400 years and so they have both not evolved in the understanding of how to propagate Islam to "outsiders" and they have become somewhat obsessed with their cultural and linguistical and national identities.

 

But times are anew, and who better than us the "outsiders" to attempt changing these errors?

My duas are with you and all other people trying to find a suitable place in the worship of Allah and the obediance and following of the Prophet and his Ahl al-Bayt.

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Generally I would say being a Shia revert is harder than Sunni revert. There is alot more openness and acceptance (as well as programs and lectures) in the English language within Sunni Islam. HOWEVER, Shia's are definitely improving, recently I have seen a more willingness to English Lectures, especially the Youth here in UK. Mashallah. Many many majalis/lectures have been started by the youth and MOST if not ALL would be in English.

I would suggest perhaps finding others with the same Issue and trying to change it, try to implement more events with the English language OR YouTube has the largest variety of lectures you could ever dream of!

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OP, please talk with the organizers and Inshallah once they know of this issue and how many people it's affecting they'll figure something out for you. I'm sure it's not just converts (although they hold a special weight if they bring this up) who will appreciate English lectures so you'll be doing others a favor too. There may be people not attending the masjid or centers because of the non-English language. If everyone stayed silent thinking themselves to be a tiny minority things will never change. 

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thats the thing with hussaynia, its more like a coffee tea place than a religious center. Its so much more focused on cultural gatherings rather than religious worship..

so what happens, is that we have people coming just to see their friends and new people are "left out".

i personally always seek for those who are 'left out' and start a conversation. I feel how lonely it is ..just remember the loneliness of imam mahdi during those times

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I agree sis Elightening this is very much true.

When the use to have an eng. Speaker the women would just Talk and talk through it.

It gets so bad that the men bang on the wall to try and shut them up. Tho that doesn't even work they still keep talking.

I know a family whom I am very close with and they don't go. I use to wonder why but I think I know now.

And no even through all this and until I die will I leave Islam Alhumdulilah. Thanks tho bro in humanity.

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I do not understand why many dismiss the importance of social gatherings? They are as important as religious lectures if not more important!

 

Keeping good ties between the society is good, so instead of complaining about it, why not try to make it more effective ie organizing a social gathering just for the love of Ahlulbayt, ?

 

It can be with food brought from home and sold, the money goes for religious purposes? it can be a book fair day? it can be a party to celebrate the kids entering taklif age and puberty? There are dozens of ideas that can subtly eliminate the cultural barriers, bring people closer, get them to know each other and are enjoyable.

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You probably feel left out because the religion is an Arabic speaking, Arab culture oriented one.

 

Qur'an was revealed in Arabic. 

Qur'an was revealed in Middle-East.

Sunnah clothing is Arab

Women's clothing is Arab

Kiblah is in Arabia

Recommended food is in Arabia

Calendar is Arabic Hijri

Salat is in Arabic

 

You might as well become a Sikh and try to feel welcomed there, it's all cultural.

 

God didn't just make Arabic or Arabia, he made the entire world full of its vast differences.

 

Don't try to act, dress, speak, walk, eat, and be Arab, or anything else for that matter.  Be yourself, go to familiar settings and with familiar people.  If you hang with others that is fine but just make sure you aren't trying to change into something you're not meant to be.

 

God didn't intend it that way, it is obvious in all of the signs in nature.  There isn't just one flower, there are a myriad of flowers and colors of flowers.  

 

If you are inclined towards Islam then there are plenty of Islamic English Speaking places.

 

Besides, Islam is so torn apart and segregated that even if you find a center that speaks English, chances are they have beliefs that you will disagree with.  No two centers agree on everything, they all fight like wicked step-sisters, it's pathetic.

 

Why are there different Marja'as and different Howzas and different Mosques and different Sects? Because nobody can agree on very much! A few little differences and you scare them away.

 

Differences are normal, embrace the difference.  You are unique, be your self.  

 

Don't feel sad that you aren't Arab or Persian and cannot fit in to the Arab and Persian gatherings.  I bet they would feel awkward in an English gathering, but they don't go because they can't leave their comfort zone, it's a pity.

 

Talk about Dawah in a language that doesn't benefit anyone! lol

 

It's all a sham.  You're better off studying alone in a library than visiting the majority of community places.

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I just wish these event would be good for everone in eng Persian and Arabic.

I don't see this happening as even the Arabs have a total separate lecture.

I could see why as for a mother I'd rather take my children to the Arab lec and gathering because personally I see them better in practise such as dressing modest they are more welcoming and I don't here gossip.

It's just sad. I don't wanna go to those social gathering because they gossip or tall another Lang. Lol hoe can I socialize. :S

InshaAllah this will change. I have even thought of moving somewhere that has a bigger community. Maybe it'll be more welcoming.

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I just wish these event would be good for everone in eng Persian and Arabic.

I don't see this happening as even the Arabs have a total separate lecture.

I could see why as for a mother I'd rather take my children to the Arab lec and gathering because personally I see them better in practise such as dressing modest they are more welcoming and I don't here gossip.

It's just sad. I don't wanna go to those social gathering because they gossip or tall another Lang. Lol hoe can I socialize. :S

InshaAllah this will change. I have even thought of moving somewhere that has a bigger community. Maybe it'll be more welcoming.

 

How do you hear them gossip when you cant understand their language? I think its unfair to generalize an ethnicity due to personal experience. Sister im sure arabs gossip too. There are good and bad everywhere. Differences are great for society, and will always be there. We just have to learn to accept it.

 

[shakir 49:13] O you men! surely We have created you of a male and a female, and made you tribes and families that you may know each other; surely the most honorable of you with Allah is the one among you most careful (of his duty); surely Allah is Knowing, Aware.

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I am told what they say by another sis I am close to. Allah forgive me if I am wrong.

I don't generalize a group actually I am very cloe to many Iranian and Arabs alhumdulilah. Many are more closer to me then my own blood family.

I started this topic for reverts whom have felt the same. Wondering what they did to cope with it. As I have felt very left out at many times. and this is not due to the lack of trying.

As I said before this is not for all Arabs or all Iranian people Ya Allah I love all my family and their not even blood.

Everything I go to the center there is an older lady whom I rarely speak to because sadly . Don't speak farsi nor she speaks much eng. but I give Here Salaams everything and I can't help but to have fallen for as if she's my own mother.

I thunk maybe reverts understand when I say the ummah, though seems not to be united for all, is more closer to me then my blood family. Maybe it's because I am the only Muslim in my family as to why I feel this way.

I understand there isn't many reverts here but I wish they'd extend welcoming hands to those whom are

When I first reverted everyone wanted to meet me and was very find. Right after I reverted it was like I was alone. My family was not happy about it and still to this day I have them trying to change me back. I lost all my friends some due to because I didn't party no more and some because I felt they would hurt me from getting closer to Allah.

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I am told what they say by another sis I am close to. Allah forgive me if I am wrong.

I don't generalize a group actually I am very cloe to many Iranian and Arabs alhumdulilah. Many are more closer to me then my own blood family.

I started this topic for reverts whom have felt the same. Wondering what they did to cope with it. As I have felt very left out at many times. and this is not due to the lack of trying.

As I said before this is not for all Arabs or all Iranian people Ya Allah I love all my family and their not even blood.

Everything I go to the center there is an older lady whom I rarely speak to because sadly . Don't speak farsi nor she speaks much eng. but I give Here Salaams everything and I can't help but to have fallen for as if she's my own mother.

I thunk maybe reverts understand when I say the ummah, though seems not to be united for all, is more closer to me then my blood family. Maybe it's because I am the only Muslim in my family as to why I feel this way.

I understand there isn't many reverts here but I wish they'd extend welcoming hands to those whom are

When I first reverted everyone wanted to meet me and was very find. Right after I reverted it was like I was alone. My family was not happy about it and still to this day I have them trying to change me back. I lost all my friends some due to because I didn't party no more and some because I felt they would hurt me from getting closer to Allah.

 

Sister, people are like that in general, its not just against reverts lol.

 

Also, those whom you called as friends, werent really friends... they just used you to party and didnt care for your happiness.

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Sister, people are like that in general, its not just against reverts lol.

Also, those whom you called as friends, werent really friends... they just used you to party and didnt care for your happiness.

Yes I understand they where not friend.

It's ok InshaAllah it is fine. Maybe reverts understand this more.

I font need friends. I want everyone one day to feel welcomed InshaAllah let it be a revert or someone in humanity.

Allah u Akbar

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Yes I understand they where not friend.

It's ok InshaAllah it is fine. Maybe reverts understand this more.

I font need friends. I want everyone one day to feel welcomed InshaAllah let it be a revert or someone in humanity.

Allah u Akbar

We are your friends, on this site! :)

 

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Me and my wife Zaynabs experience

is something I did not see when going to my local Shia Center in the US that is ranumber by khorjas centers need high demand to meet the needs of all languages or atleast a common language for the attendance. Also people keeping to their own is not the best alhamdulillah some brother did talk in conversation with me there other than that normal greetings

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