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Sistani's Fatwa On Fasting

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(salam)

 

what are those 2 fatwa supposed to mean

 

 

1753. If a person has a strong feeling that it is harmful for him to fast, and owing to that feeling, fear is created in his mind, and if that feeling is commonly acceptable, he should not observe fast, and if he does, it will not be valid in the way described in the foregoing rule.

1754. If a person who believes that fasting is not harmful to him, observes fast and realises after Maghrib that it was considerably harmful to him, he should, on the basis of obligatory precaution, give the qadha of that day.

 

 

for example, for those living in the western hemisphere (Europe and America), we're all fasting for more than 18 hours.. Obviously, no one will claim that it's easy. Some people complain at how harmful it is in some way, does it mean that we should re-do our fasting as qadha?

 

http://www.sistani.org/index.php?p=251364&id=48&pid=2282

 

 

p-s : it is just a question.  I am not complaining of the heat or the long days. I am aware of the benefits of fasting and have done a thesis research of over 15 pages about it (before entering university). I am asking a question to increase my knowledge about these fatwa's (and also because I have a  medical problem) 

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why are people complaining? people are so ungrateful to God and heedless of God

the more difficult something is in life the more blessed it is

Sayyidna Meryem said after seeing Heaven "I wish i had fasted on the longest days and in the hottest heat" 

so stop with all this whining, its only 30 days bear it and move on with life, you wont lose anything 

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It really depends on the person who is fasting. Some people may become hospitalized if they fast. Others just get really tired and weak. Being weak and tired generally doesn't qualify as being "harmful".

 

You should ask your local Sheikh/Moulana regarding this issue and clarify with him. Shiachat and online sources in general are not good places to get rulings for jurisprudence.

 

Wassalam

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why are people complaining? people are so ungrateful to God and heedless of God

the more difficult something is in life the more blessed it is

Sayyidna Meryem said after seeing Heaven "I wish i had fasted on the longest days and in the hottest heat" 

so stop with all this whining, its only 30 days bear it and move on with life, you wont lose anything 

 

 

salam Alaikom.

Inshallah you're doing well

 

I completely agree with you. I would ask if you can re-read my post, especially the red section that I just added 

(as)

 

It really depends on the person who is fasting. Some people may become hospitalized if they fast. Others just get really tired and weak. Being weak and tired generally doesn't qualify as being "harmful".

 

You should ask your local Sheikh/Moulana regarding this issue and clarify with him. Shiachat and online sources in general are not good places to get rulings for jurisprudence.

 

Wassalam

 

 

Thank you for your reply brother 

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(bismillah)

 

Sister, Salaam, Maybe you can email them? iA they will answer you fast. The way that I take it, is harm meaning literally HARM, not just like uhh I dont feel good, or I cant, or its too much, or my head hurts. Like actual damage caused to your body. So what I take from it is that the first one is saying, so if you FEEL strongly that by fasting that day, it will be highly unsafe and dangerous, then dont fast, and if you do, it becomes invalid, because Allah does not accept a fast when you have a situation like that. Now the second fatwa, concurs with the first one, meaning you think it isnt harmful, or your not strongly sure that it will be harmful, so you do end up fasting, but realize that in fact, you know it was CONSIDERABLY harmful, by AFTER MAGRIB, then just in case, because as I said, Allah will not accept a fast in which you are damaging your body for, therefore you should just redo the day just for a precaution. I do not think, time is a valid excuse, unless your intense disease or what ever harmful situation make occur, that depends on time. So those complaining about head aches, sore body, colds and such, are not a valid excuse.inshAllah I explained it well, dont take up my words fully, but I am just trying to help. Sister, iA, you find Shafah by the truth of this holy month! May Allah keep you and all those like you healthy and strong iA.

 

(wasalam)

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(salam)

 

Thank you very much PureEthics, that's also what I was thinking.

 

like you all suggested, I sent a message to the office of Sistani, Khamenai, Shirazi as well as Roohani regarding my specific question (that I didn't post here)

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The 2nd ruling seems it is coming from the perspective that one never met the criteria for being eligible to fast in the first place (which would be that it if it is going to cause you harm, then you can't fast - that harm itself is of course subjective), so after coming to the realization (even if it is after you have fasted), it is being rendered an obligatory precaution to do its qadha.

That's how I understand it anyways.

Wassalam

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You say you have a medical condition, is this made worse by fasting? If yes most marji's will probably tell you not to fast until you are better, or the days are shorter. So ask you marji about your particular condition.

My brother suffers from severe migranes, he has been fasting but on some days the migranes will get too much he breaks his fast and will redo them when the time is shorter. Allah has made it clear that if you are unwell then you shouldnt fast and fast other days when you feel better.

Surah Baqarah Ayat 184. (Observing Saum (fasts)) for a fixed number of days, but if any of you is ill or on a journey, the same number (should be made up) from other days. And as for those who can fast with difficulty, (e.g. an old man, etc.), they have (a choice either to fast or) to feed a Miskeen (poor person) (for every day). But whoever does good of his own accord, it is better for him. And that you fast, it is better for you if only you know.

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I know some people who do not fast, after trying, as their bodies are exhausted. They do laborious work and not sit in air conditioned rooms, with their computers and speak of the wonders of the world on SC. :)

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I know some people who do not fast, after trying, as their bodies are exhausted. They do laborious work and not sit in air conditioned rooms, with their computers and speak of the wonders of the world on SC. :)

 

 

You just have to love the ones who criticize these blue collar workers. What amazes me even more is the very same people who will criticize them for not fasting will criticize them for pushing to the point of landing in the hospital with dehydration and heat stroke....the genius criticizers will then say, "well you should have broken your fast"

 

oh really LOL

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One may be able to tell that they cannot continue fasting may get extremely dizzy sighs of dehydration setting in or so forth. Secondly one is not allowed to fast if it will harm them so it would be invalid if one made it but realized it harmed them.

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why are people complaining? people are so ungrateful to God and heedless of God

the more difficult something is in life the more blessed it is

Sayyidna Meryem said after seeing Heaven "I wish i had fasted on the longest days and in the hottest heat" 

so stop with all this whining, its only 30 days bear it and move on with life, you wont lose anything 

 

That is great that you feel this way but I recall that you are in Australia which is currently in winter. However in much of the middle east the fasts are falling on 15 hour days which isn't that bad......but there are people further north I know who are having 18 hour fasts, 22 hour fasts, and it is taking a huge toll on their bodies. So please hold your opinion on this since you are only dealing with 10 or 11 hour days.

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