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Give Me One Example: Aisha Loved Fatima Zahra (As)

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Sunni brothers, give me one example which shows that Aisha loved Sayeda Fatima Zahra (as) or any of the Ahlulbayt who Prophet (s) used to love, namely Ali, Hasan, Hussain (Salam on all of them and Lanat with their enemies).

Here are a few which shows Aisha was jealous of Fatima Zahra (as).

1. Sayeda Fatima Zahra (as) passed away in 4 months after the demise of the Prophet (pbuh). Aisha did not let Fatima Zahra bury next to Prophet.

2. Prophet assigned his dearest wife Umm-e-Salma (ra) to take care of Fatima and her children in his absence. Prophet ignored Aisha and Hafsa knowing their jealousy of Fatima Zahra.

3. Aisha waged a vicious war on Fatima Zahra's husband Imam Ali, as soon as Imam Ali became the Khalifa.

4. Aisha made her servants and supporters to shoot arrow on the janaza of Imam Hassan, the first son of Fatima Zahra (as) when they were carrying the Janaza to bury Imam Hassan right next to the prophet.

5. Aisha used to show her open jealousy and used to ridicule the most favorite wife of Prophet, namely UmmulMomineen Khadijah who was the mother of Fatima Zahra (as).

Bottom Line - Aisha used to hate everything about Fatima Zahra (as), she used to hate her, hate her husband Ali, hate her father Muhammad, hate her mother Khadijah, and hate her sons Hassan and Hussain.

Aisha was a known hater. So my question is would she qualify for Jannah of which Sayeda Fatima is the leader of?

Thoughts, concerns, comments welcome! Please don't make it a cursing thread.

It is haram in Shia Islam to curse Aisha. It is highly mustahib to hate and curse the enemies of Allah, Prophet, and Ahlulbayt.

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3. Aisha waged a vicious war on Fatima Zahra's husband Imam Ali, as soon as Imam Ali became the Khalifa.

4. Aisha made her servants and supporters to shoot arrow on the janaza of Imam Hassan, the first son of Fatima Zahra  (as) when they were carrying the Janaza to bury Imam Hassan right next to the prophet.
 
 
The prophet is at War who fight Ahl albayat as:
 
Abu Huraira narrated:
 
     The Prophet (PBUH&HF) looked toward Ali, al-Hasan, al-Husain, and
     Fatimah, and said: "I am in the state of war with those who will fight
                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
     you, and in the state of peace with those who are peaceful to you."
     ^^^
 
Sunni references:
(1) Sahih al-Tirmidhi, v5, p699
(2) Sunan Ibn Majah, v1, p52
(3) Fada'il al-Sahaba, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v2, p767, Tradition #1350
(4) al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, v3, p149
(5) Majma' al-Zawa'id, by al-Haythami, v9, p169
(6) al-Kabir, by Tabarani, v3, p30, also in al-Awsat
(7) Jamius Saghir, by al-Ibani, v2, p17
(8) Tarikh, by al-Khateeb al-Baghdadi, v7, p137
(9) Sawai'q al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, Ch. 11, section 1, p221
(10) Talkhis, by al-Dhahabi, v3, p149
(11) Dhakha'ir al-Uqba, by al-Muhib al-Tabari, p25
(12) Mishkat al-Masabih, by al-Nawawi, English Version, Tdadition #6145
(13) Others such as Ibn Habban, etc.

 

 

Does it mean that the lady who fought Imam Hassan as on his janaza, and Imam Ali in the battlefield is going to the paradise? 

 

Certainly not. She has been threatened on many occassions in the quran for her such actions.

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hmmmn....


I got some more Ilm, Brothers Why are you behind all Bibi Aisha So Much ???

 

I do not understand...? Just Forget and Keep Off

 

Below are some numerous references to prove the superioirty of  Fatima Zahra  over Bibi Aisha

 

 

The Prophet (s) said, “Fatima is part of me - whatever makes her angry makes me angry, and whatever pleases her pleases me.”
Al-Sawaiq Al-Muhariqa, p. 188; similar wording is narrated in Mustadrak Al-Sahihain, v. 3, p. 172; Al-Jami^ Al-Sagheer, v. 2, p. 653, n. 5859.

30) The Prophet (s) said, “Fatima is more beloved to me than you, oh Ali, and you are dearer to me than her.”
Majma^ Al-Zawa’id, v. 9, p. 202; Al-Jami^ Al-Sagheer, v. 2, p. 654, n. 5761; Muntakhab Kenz Al-Omal, v. 5, 97; Asad Al-Ghaba, v. 5, p. 522; Yanabi^ Al-Mawadda, v. 2, ch. 56, p. 79; Al-Sawaiq Al-Muhariqa, ch. 3, p. 191.

 

 

23) The Prophet (s) said, “Fatima is part of me, and whoever pleases her, pleases me.”
Al-Sawaiq Al-Muhariqa, p. 180 & 132; Mustadrak Al-Hakim; Maarifat Ma Yajib Li Aal Al-Bait Al-Nabawi Min Al-Haqq Alaa Men Adahum, p. 73; Yanabi^ Al-Mawadda, v. 2, ch. 59, p. 468.

24) The Prophet (s) said, “Fatima is the head of the women of Paradise.”
Sahih Al-Bukhari, v. 3, Kitab Al-Fadha’il, Chapter on the Virtues of Fatima, p. 1374; Mustadrak Al-Sahihain, v. 3, Chapter on the Virtues of Fatima, p. 164; Sunan Al-Tirmidhi, v. 3, p. 266; Kenz Al-Omal, v. 13, p. 193; Muntakhab Kenz Al-Omal, v. 5, p. 97; Al-Jami^ Al-Sagheer, v. 2, no. 564, p. 5760; Seir Alam Al-Nubala’, v. 2, p. 123; Al-Sawaiq Al-Muhariqa, p. 187 & 191; Khasai’s Al-Imam Ali of Nisa’i, p. 118; Yanabi^ Al-Mawadda, v. 2, p. 79; Al-Jawhera Fi Nasab Ali Wa Aalihi, p. 17; Al-Bidaya wa Al-Nihaya, v. 2, p. 60.

 

39) The Prophet (s) said, “Oh Fatima, verily Allah is angry when you are angry.”
Al-Sawaiq Al-Muhariqa, p. 175; Mustadrak Al-Hakim, Chapter on the Virtues of Fatima; Manaqib Al-Imam Ali of Ibn Al-Maghazali, p. 351.

40) The Prophet (s) said, “Fatima, God will not torture you or any of your children.”
Kenz Al-Omal, v. 13, p. 96; Muntakhab Kenz Al-Omal, in the margin of Musnad Ahmad, v. 5, p. 97; Is^af Al-Raghibeen, in the margin of Nur Al-Absar, p. 118.

 

25) The Prophet (s) said, “Fatima is part of me, so whoever makes her angry makes me angry.”
Sahih Al-Bukhari, v. 3, Kitab Al-Fadha’il, Chapter on the Virtues of Fatima, p. 1374; Khasa’is Al-Imam Ali of Al-Nisa’i, p. 122; Al-Jami^ Al-Sagheer, v. 2, p. 653, n. 5858; Kenz Al-Omal, v. 3, pp. 93-97; Muntakhab in the margin of Al-Musnad, v. 5, p. 96; Masabih Al-Sunnah, v. 4, p. 185; Is^af Al-Raghibeen, p. 188; Dakha’ir Al-Uqubi, p. 37; Yanabi^ Al-Mawadda, v. 2, pp. 52-79.

26) The Prophet (s) said, “Fatima is a maiden of Paradise created in human form.”
Manaqib Al-Imam Ali of Ibn Al-Maghazali, p. 296.
 
27) The Prophet (s) said, “Fatima is a maiden of Paradise in human form, she does not receive any kind of menses.”
Al-Sawaiq Al-Muhariqa, p. 160; Is^af Al-Raghibeen, p. 188; Kenz Al-Omal, v. 13, p. 94; Muntakhab Kenz Al-Omal, v. 5, p. 97.

28) The Prophet (s) said, “Fatima is part of me, whatever harms her harms me, and whatever is against her is against me.”
Mustadrak Al-Sahihain, v. 3, p. 173; Sunan Al-Tirmidhi, v. 3, Chapter on the Virtues of Fatima, p. 240; Kenz Al-Omal, v. 13, p. 94; Muntakhab Kenz Al-Omal, in the margin of Al-Musnad, v. 5, p. 96; Al-Sawaiq Al-Muhariqa, ch. 3, p. 190.

 

31) The Prophet (s) said, “Fatima is part of me and she is my heart and the soul which is between my two sides.”
Nur Al-Absar, p. 52.

32) The Prophet (s) said, “Fatima is the head of the women of my nation.”
Seir Alam Al-Nubala’, v. 2, p. 127; Sahih Muslim, Kitab Fadha’il Al-Sahaba, Chapter on the Virtues of Fatima; Majma^ Al-Zawa’id, v. 2, p. 201; Is^af Al-Raghibeen, p. 187.

33) The Prophet (s) said, “Fatima is a branch of me, what pleases her pleases me, and what saddens her, saddens me.”
Mustadrak Al-Sahihain, v. 3, Chapter on the Virtues of Fatima, p. 168; Kenz Al-Omal, v. 13, p. 96; Muntakhab Kenz Al-Omal, v. 5, p. 97; Seir Alaam Al-Nubala’, v. 2, p. 132.

4 years ago

34) The Prophet (s) said, “Fatima is part of me - whatever causes her pain causes me pain, and whatever makes her happy makes me happy.”
Manaqib Al-Khawarizmi, p. 353.

35) The Prophet (s) said, “Fatima is part of me, whoever harms her has harmed me.”
Al-Sunan Al-Kubra, v. 10, chapter regarding the one who denies the testimony of the father for his child, p. 201; Kenz Al-Omal, v. 13, p. 96; Nur Al-Absar, p. 52; Yanabi^ Al-Mawadda, v. 2, p. 322.

36) The Prophet (s) said, “Fatima is the joy of my heart, and her sons are the fruit of my soul.”
Yanabi^ Al-Mawadda, v. 1, ch. 15, p. 243

 

37) The Prophet (s) said, “Fatima is not like the women of the children of Adam.”
Majma^ Al-Zawa’id, v. 9, p. 202.

38) The Prophet (s) said, “Fatima is part of me - what saddens her saddens me, and what pleases her pleases me.”
Al-Sunan Al-Kubra, v. 7, p. 64, the chapter on what will transpire on the Day of Judgement; Muntakhab Kenz Al-Omal, in the margins of Al-Musnad, v. 5, p. 96.
 
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Narrated Ali: Fatima went to the Prophet complaining about the bad effect of the stone hand-mill on her hand. She heard that the Prophet had received a few slave girls. But (when she came there) she did not find him, so she mentioned her problem to 'Aisha. When the Prophet came, 'Aisha informed him about that. 'Ali added, "So the Prophet came to us when we had gone to bed. We wanted to get up (on his arrival) but he said, 'Stay where you are." Then he came and sat between me and her and I felt the coldness of his feet on my abdomen. He said, "Shall I direct you to something better than what you have requested? When you go to bed say 'Subhan Allah' thirty-three times, 'Alhamdulillah' thirty three times, and Allahu Akbar' thirty four times, for that is better for you than a servant."


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Narrated Sahl bin Sad: The most beloved names to 'Ali was Abu Turab, and he used to be pleased when we called him by it, for none named him Abu Turab (for the first time), but the Prophet. Once 'Ali got angry with (his wife) Fatima, and went out (of his house) and slept near a wall in the mosque. The Prophet came searching for him, and someone said, "He is there, Lying near the wall." The Prophet came to him while his ('Ali's) back was covered with dust. The Prophet started removing the dust from his back, saying, "Get up, O Abu Turab!"  (Book #73, Hadith #223)

 

 

In This hadeeth Hazrath Ali Gets Angry with Fatima?

 

So does what does it mean in  the context of this hadeeth below

 

 
Abu Huraira narrated:
 
     The Prophet (PBUH&HF) looked toward Ali, al-Hasan, al-Husain, and
     Fatimah, and said: "I am in the state of war with those who will fight
                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
     you, and in the state of peace with those who are peaceful to you."
     ^^^

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This is Narrated By

 

Narrated 'Aisha: He added, 'But this year he reviewed it with me twice, and therefore I think that my time of death has approached. So, be afraid of Allah, and be patient, for I am the best predecessor for you (in the Hereafter).' " Fatima added, "So I wept as you ('Aisha) witnessed. And when the Prophet saw me in this sorrowful state, he confided the second secret to me saying, 'O Fatima! Will you not be pleased that you will be chief of all the believing women (or chief of the women of this nation i.e. my followers?")  (Book #74, Hadith #301)

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hmmmn....

I got some more Ilm, Brothers Why are you behind all Bibi Aisha So Much ???

I do not understand...? Just Forget and Keep Off

Below are some numerous references to prove the superioirty of Fatima Zahra over Bibi Aisha

The Prophet (s) said, “Fatima is part of me - whatever makes her angry makes me angry, and whatever pleases her pleases me.”

Al-Sawaiq Al-Muhariqa, p. 188; similar wording is narrated in Mustadrak Al-Sahihain, v. 3, p. 172; Al-Jami^ Al-Sagheer, v. 2, p. 653, n. 5859.

30) The Prophet (s) said, “Fatima is more beloved to me than you, oh Ali, and you are dearer to me than her.”

Majma^ Al-Zawa’id, v. 9, p. 202; Al-Jami^ Al-Sagheer, v. 2, p. 654, n. 5761; Muntakhab Kenz Al-Omal, v. 5, 97; Asad Al-Ghaba, v. 5, p. 522; Yanabi^ Al-Mawadda, v. 2, ch. 56, p. 79; Al-Sawaiq Al-Muhariqa, ch. 3, p. 191.

23) The Prophet (s) said, “Fatima is part of me, and whoever pleases her, pleases me.”

Al-Sawaiq Al-Muhariqa, p. 180 & 132; Mustadrak Al-Hakim; Maarifat Ma Yajib Li Aal Al-Bait Al-Nabawi Min Al-Haqq Alaa Men Adahum, p. 73; Yanabi^ Al-Mawadda, v. 2, ch. 59, p. 468.

24) The Prophet (s) said, “Fatima is the head of the women of Paradise.”

Sahih Al-Bukhari, v. 3, Kitab Al-Fadha’il, Chapter on the Virtues of Fatima, p. 1374; Mustadrak Al-Sahihain, v. 3, Chapter on the Virtues of Fatima, p. 164; Sunan Al-Tirmidhi, v. 3, p. 266; Kenz Al-Omal, v. 13, p. 193; Muntakhab Kenz Al-Omal, v. 5, p. 97; Al-Jami^ Al-Sagheer, v. 2, no. 564, p. 5760; Seir Alam Al-Nubala’, v. 2, p. 123; Al-Sawaiq Al-Muhariqa, p. 187 & 191; Khasai’s Al-Imam Ali of Nisa’i, p. 118; Yanabi^ Al-Mawadda, v. 2, p. 79; Al-Jawhera Fi Nasab Ali Wa Aalihi, p. 17; Al-Bidaya wa Al-Nihaya, v. 2, p. 60.

39) The Prophet (s) said, “Oh Fatima, verily Allah is angry when you are angry.”

Al-Sawaiq Al-Muhariqa, p. 175; Mustadrak Al-Hakim, Chapter on the Virtues of Fatima; Manaqib Al-Imam Ali of Ibn Al-Maghazali, p. 351.

40) The Prophet (s) said, “Fatima, God will not torture you or any of your children.”

Kenz Al-Omal, v. 13, p. 96; Muntakhab Kenz Al-Omal, in the margin of Musnad Ahmad, v. 5, p. 97; Is^af Al-Raghibeen, in the margin of Nur Al-Absar, p. 118.

25) The Prophet (s) said, “Fatima is part of me, so whoever makes her angry makes me angry.”

Sahih Al-Bukhari, v. 3, Kitab Al-Fadha’il, Chapter on the Virtues of Fatima, p. 1374; Khasa’is Al-Imam Ali of Al-Nisa’i, p. 122; Al-Jami^ Al-Sagheer, v. 2, p. 653, n. 5858; Kenz Al-Omal, v. 3, pp. 93-97; Muntakhab in the margin of Al-Musnad, v. 5, p. 96; Masabih Al-Sunnah, v. 4, p. 185; Is^af Al-Raghibeen, p. 188; Dakha’ir Al-Uqubi, p. 37; Yanabi^ Al-Mawadda, v. 2, pp. 52-79.

26) The Prophet (s) said, “Fatima is a maiden of Paradise created in human form.”

Manaqib Al-Imam Ali of Ibn Al-Maghazali, p. 296.

27) The Prophet (s) said, “Fatima is a maiden of Paradise in human form, she does not receive any kind of menses.”

Al-Sawaiq Al-Muhariqa, p. 160; Is^af Al-Raghibeen, p. 188; Kenz Al-Omal, v. 13, p. 94; Muntakhab Kenz Al-Omal, v. 5, p. 97.

28) The Prophet (s) said, “Fatima is part of me, whatever harms her harms me, and whatever is against her is against me.”

Mustadrak Al-Sahihain, v. 3, p. 173; Sunan Al-Tirmidhi, v. 3, Chapter on the Virtues of Fatima, p. 240; Kenz Al-Omal, v. 13, p. 94; Muntakhab Kenz Al-Omal, in the margin of Al-Musnad, v. 5, p. 96; Al-Sawaiq Al-Muhariqa, ch. 3, p. 190.

31) The Prophet (s) said, “Fatima is part of me and she is my heart and the soul which is between my two sides.”

Nur Al-Absar, p. 52.

32) The Prophet (s) said, “Fatima is the head of the women of my nation.”

Seir Alam Al-Nubala’, v. 2, p. 127; Sahih Muslim, Kitab Fadha’il Al-Sahaba, Chapter on the Virtues of Fatima; Majma^ Al-Zawa’id, v. 2, p. 201; Is^af Al-Raghibeen, p. 187.

33) The Prophet (s) said, “Fatima is a branch of me, what pleases her pleases me, and what saddens her, saddens me.”

Mustadrak Al-Sahihain, v. 3, Chapter on the Virtues of Fatima, p. 168; Kenz Al-Omal, v. 13, p. 96; Muntakhab Kenz Al-Omal, v. 5, p. 97; Seir Alaam Al-Nubala’, v. 2, p. 132.

4 years ago

34) The Prophet (s) said, “Fatima is part of me - whatever causes her pain causes me pain, and whatever makes her happy makes me happy.”

Manaqib Al-Khawarizmi, p. 353.

35) The Prophet (s) said, “Fatima is part of me, whoever harms her has harmed me.”

Al-Sunan Al-Kubra, v. 10, chapter regarding the one who denies the testimony of the father for his child, p. 201; Kenz Al-Omal, v. 13, p. 96; Nur Al-Absar, p. 52; Yanabi^ Al-Mawadda, v. 2, p. 322.

36) The Prophet (s) said, “Fatima is the joy of my heart, and her sons are the fruit of my soul.”

Yanabi^ Al-Mawadda, v. 1, ch. 15, p. 243

37) The Prophet (s) said, “Fatima is not like the women of the children of Adam.”

Majma^ Al-Zawa’id, v. 9, p. 202.

38) The Prophet (s) said, “Fatima is part of me - what saddens her saddens me, and what pleases her pleases me.”

Al-Sunan Al-Kubra, v. 7, p. 64, the chapter on what will transpire on the Day of Judgement; Muntakhab Kenz Al-Omal, in the margins of Al-Musnad, v. 5, p. 96.

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Narrated Ali: Fatima went to the Prophet complaining about the bad effect of the stone hand-mill on her hand. She heard that the Prophet had received a few slave girls. But (when she came there) she did not find him, so she mentioned her problem to 'Aisha. When the Prophet came, 'Aisha informed him about that. 'Ali added, "So the Prophet came to us when we had gone to bed. We wanted to get up (on his arrival) but he said, 'Stay where you are." Then he came and sat between me and her and I felt the coldness of his feet on my abdomen. He said, "Shall I direct you to something better than what you have requested? When you go to bed say 'Subhan Allah' thirty-three times, 'Alhamdulillah' thirty three times, and Allahu Akbar' thirty four times, for that is better for you than a servant."

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Narrated Sahl bin Sad: The most beloved names to 'Ali was Abu Turab, and he used to be pleased when we called him by it, for none named him Abu Turab (for the first time), but the Prophet. Once 'Ali got angry with (his wife) Fatima, and went out (of his house) and slept near a wall in the mosque. The Prophet came searching for him, and someone said, "He is there, Lying near the wall." The Prophet came to him while his ('Ali's) back was covered with dust. The Prophet started removing the dust from his back, saying, "Get up, O Abu Turab!" (Book #73, Hadith #223)

In This hadeeth Hazrath Ali Gets Angry with Fatima?

So does what does it mean in the context of this hadeeth below

Abu Huraira narrated:

The Prophet (PBUH&HF) looked toward Ali, al-Hasan, al-Husain, and

Fatimah, and said: "I am in the state of war with those who will fight

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

you, and in the state of peace with those who are peaceful to you."

^^^

Brother nobody is against BIBI AISHA here. We are trying to do ISLAH to those for whom BIBI AISHA has a goddess like status, who think she is superior to Prophet and Allah's commands.

As far as exposing the truth of the Sunni GODDES OF WAR, Muslims would definitely quit exposing them once Allah swt will omit this (and similar) Ayaat from Quran:

صِرَاطَ الَّذِينَ أَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيْهِمْ غَيْرِ الْمَغْضُوبِ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلَا الضَّالِّينَ {7}

[1:7] The path of those upon whom Thou hast bestowed favors. Not (the path) of those upon whom Thy wrath is brought down, nor of those who go astray.

Imam Ali never made Hazrat Fatima Zahra (as) mad. It's a lie, a fabricated Hadith minted in the Hadith factories of enemies of Islam such as Umer and Muawiah.

You got to read Imam Ali (as) own words at what status our imam kept his wife .....

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Brother nobody is against BIBI AISHA here. We are trying to do ISLAH to those for whom BIBI AISHA has a goddess like status, who think she is superior to Prophet and Allah's commands.

As far as exposing the truth of the Sunni GODDES OF WAR, Muslims would definitely quit exposing them once Allah swt will omit this (and similar) Ayaat from Quran:

صِرَاطَ الَّذِينَ أَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيْهِمْ غَيْرِ الْمَغْضُوبِ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلَا الضَّالِّينَ {7}

[1:7] The path of those upon whom Thou hast bestowed favors. Not (the path) of those upon whom Thy wrath is brought down, nor of those who go astray.

Imam Ali never made Hazrat Fatima Zahra (as) mad. It's a lie, a fabricated Hadith minted in the Hadith factories of enemies of Islam such as Umer and Muawiah.

You got to read Imam Ali (as) own words at what status our imam kept his wife .....

 

Ok Brother, Salam, Pardon me, I never meant to show Bibi fatima down by producing the hadeeth of Hazrat Ali getting Angry on her...

 

I was just hinting...something...And I am a man who doesnt go so easily with the waves...

 

Theres No one , i feel who believe Bibi Aisha Is superior to Prophet Muhammadh, But I believe there are people who believe their arrogance and understanding makes them superior...

 

Keep Umer and M uawiyah at the sides, Brther, there are many, and were many from the past till now with their top leader Ibless, To put discord between brothers, and are still existing now....

 

In world and on forum...I believe in coming on common terms...

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O really. Well it is narrated in the most truthful of books ever Bukhari so is MUST be true! lol.

 

Imam Ali (a.s.) said, ‘By Allah, I did never anger her or force her to do something (unwillingly) until Allah took her to the better world. She also did never anger me nor did she disobey me in anything at all. When I looked at her, my griefs and sorrows were relieved.’

 

Bihar al-Anwar, vol.43 p.133 quoted from Amali at-Toosi. 

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O really. Well it i narrated in the most truthful of books ever Bukhari so is MUST be true! lol.

 

The life of Imam Ali (a.s.) and Fatima (a.s.) was full of love and friendliness. About that Imam Ali (a.s.) said, ‘By Allah, I did never anger her or force her to do something (unwillingly) until Allah took her to the better world. She also did never anger me nor did she disobey me in anything at all. When I looked at her, my griefs and sorrows were relieved.’

 

Bihar al-Anwar, vol.43 p.133 quoted from Amali at-Toosi. 

 

MashaAllah, Nice hadeeth Brother, Can you tell me who is the narrator and the chain plz...

 

See Brother,  Gajar Ka Halva

 

 

The Books are like Just Like Both Of You...Shia and Sunnis...Divided...And do not know until when...And How Many more people will try to make you people understand...

 

I cannot reveal things clearly here , Its my

 

Allah Tala has a Soultion for everything....Even for the discord between you both, it is very very easy for him, Believe Me...

 

Read The Hadeeths and Holy Quran...You people will get the KEY

please DO NOT MISUNDERSTAND ME,.I am not taking Sides on My Sunni Brothers and Nor I hav anything against Shia's ...But I want to tell you there are more and far better things than such topics and ILM what you people are trying to spread...

 

Ok I was among my Sunni Brothers yesterday and before in TARABEE of Ramazaan...

In The Takbir, They Mention of Hazrat Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman and and and and also HAZRAT ALI...

Which is a very very nice thing...

 

I will have to venture in them and see what hatred topics they hace about you people...

 

Can the Shia Brothers here tell me, WHat do they Accuse you people the Shias Of???

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MashaAllah, Nice hadeeth Brother, Can you tell me who is the narrator and the chain plz...

 

See Brother,  Gajar Ka Halva

 

 

The Books are like Just Like Both Of You...Shia and Sunnis...Divided...And do not know until when...And How Many more people will try to make you people understand...

 

I cannot reveal things clearly here , Its my

 

Allah Tala has a Soultion for everything....Even for the discord between you both, it is very very easy for him, Believe Me...

 

Read The Hadeeths and Holy Quran...You people will get the KEY

please DO NOT MISUNDERSTAND ME,.I am not taking Sides on My Sunni Brothers and Nor I hav anything against Shia's ...But I want to tell you there are more and far better things than such topics and ILM what you people are trying to spread...

 

Ok I was among my Sunni Brothers yesterday and before in TARABEE of Ramazaan...

In The Takbir, They Mention of Hazrat Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman and and and and also HAZRAT ALI...

Which is a very very nice thing...

 

I will have to venture in them and see what hatred topics they hace about you people...

 

Can the Shia Brothers here tell me, WHat do they Accuse you people the Shias Of???

 

Maula Ali (as) never anger Fatima (as) ... here is the proof. the article is created by Nader Zaveri.

 

http://www.fileden.com/files/2010/6/24/2896028/Did%20Ali%20Anger%20Fatimah.pdf

 

and honestly do you really think Maula Ali (as) was called Abu Turab for this thing? really? 

I am very sorry, if you still say these hadiths are fake (which Nader Zaveri provide for proving Imam Ali never angry Fatima (as)).. Nader Zaveri provided all the explanation in one PDF with chains etc. But Alas! you will still deny! 

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Sunni brothers, give me one example which shows that Aisha loved Sayeda Fatima Zahra (as) or any of the Ahlulbayt who Prophet (s) used to love, namely Ali, Hasan, Hussain (Salam on all of them and Lanat with their enemies).

Here are a few which shows Aisha was jealous of Fatima Zahra (as).

1. Sayeda Fatima Zahra (as) passed away in 4 months after the demise of the Prophet (pbuh). Aisha did not let Fatima Zahra bury next to Prophet.

2. Prophet assigned his dearest wife Umm-e-Salma (ra) to take care of Fatima and her children in his absence. Prophet ignored Aisha and Hafsa knowing their jealousy of Fatima Zahra.

3. Aisha waged a vicious war on Fatima Zahra's husband Imam Ali, as soon as Imam Ali became the Khalifa.

4. Aisha made her servants and supporters to shoot arrow on the janaza of Imam Hassan, the first son of Fatima Zahra (as) when they were carrying the Janaza to bury Imam Hassan right next to the prophet.

5. Aisha used to show her open jealousy and used to ridicule the most favorite wife of Prophet, namely UmmulMomineen Khadijah who was the mother of Fatima Zahra (as).

Bottom Line - Aisha used to hate everything about Fatima Zahra (as), she used to hate her, hate her husband Ali, hate her father Muhammad, hate her mother Khadijah, and hate her sons Hassan and Hussain.

Aisha was a known hater. So my question is would she qualify for Jannah of which Sayeda Fatima is the leader of?

Thoughts, concerns, comments welcome! Please don't make it a cursing thread.

It is haram in Shia Islam to curse Aisha. It is highly mustahib to hate and curse the enemies of Allah, Prophet, and Ahlulbayt.

 

She narrated her virtues. 

 

1 - That is false. 

2 - That is your opinion. 

3 - She didn't question the legitimacy of the government nor She waged war. She went out to bring killers of Uthman (ra) to justice. 

4 - That is a fabrication. 

5 - Are you better than Prophet (saw), the husband of Sayyida Aisha, Omol-Mominin (ra)? The Prophet (saw) loved her and we follow our Prophet (saw). If She became jealous then it was her shortcoming, She wasn't infallible, She was just a woman. There are narrations in Shia books that state Sayyida Fatima (ra) became jealous when Ali (ra) wanted to marry another woman. 

Why was it Aishas decision who was burried next to the Prophet(saw)? did she own the land or something?

 

The Prophet (saw) died in her room. 

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She narrated her virtues. 

 

1 - That is false. 

2 - That is your opinion. 

3 - She didn't question the legitimacy of the government nor She waged war. She went out to bring killers of Uthman (ra) to justice. 

4 - That is a fabrication. 

5 - Are you better than Prophet (saw), the husband of Sayyida Aisha, Omol-Mominin (ra)? The Prophet (saw) loved her and we follow our Prophet (saw). If She became jealous then it was her shortcoming, She wasn't infallible, She was just a woman. There are narrations in Shia books that state Sayyida Fatima (ra) became jealous when Ali (ra) wanted to marry another woman. 

 

The Prophet (saw) died in her room. 

 

 

again... our books are not 100% authentic like Sahih Muslims (claimed by Sunni) etc. These books are all written by fallible people. There must be hadiths in Shia books about Bibi Fatima (as) became jealous or anger. Are you shia? obviously not, so you can't say if those hadiths are authenticated or not.

 

We never claim any Hadith book is 100% authentic. Only authentic book is The Holy Quran. Period.

 

http://www.fileden.com/files/2010/6/24/2896028/Did%20Ali%20Anger%20Fatimah.pdf

 

read this... 

 

and what do you say about the following Hadith?

 

Narrated Al-Ahnaf bin Qais: While I was going to help this man ('Ali Ibn Abi Talib), Abu Bakra met me and asked, "Where are you going?" I replied, "I am going to help that person." He said, "Go back for I have heard Allah's Apostle saying, 'When two Muslims fight (meet) each other with their swords, both the murderer as well as the murdered will go to the Hell-fire.' I said, 'O Allah's Apostle! It is all right for the murderer but what about the murdered one?' Allah's Apostle replied, "He surely had the intention to kill his companion."

 

     Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 2, #30, Book: Kitab al-Imann; Page 21, #31 (Arabic version)

 
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She narrated her virtues. 

 

1 - That is false. 

2 - That is your opinion. 

3 - She didn't question the legitimacy of the government nor She waged war. She went out to bring killers of Uthman (ra) to justice. 

4 - That is a fabrication. 

5 - Are you better than Prophet (saw), the husband of Sayyida Aisha, Omol-Mominin (ra)? The Prophet (saw) loved her and we follow our Prophet (saw). If She became jealous then it was her shortcoming, She wasn't infallible, She was just a woman. There are narrations in Shia books that state Sayyida Fatima (ra) became jealous when Ali (ra) wanted to marry another woman. 

 

The Prophet (saw) died in her room.

Everything you wrote above tells of, you are a bigoted Sunni who is programmed from generations to "not think" and "just blabbel".

Read again of what you wrote, and you will agree with me .. LOLZ

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1. She not only started and directed the Battle of Jamal against Amir ul-Mo'minin, and if it wasn't for strong response and iron fist of Amir ul-Mo'minin who pulled the eye of revolt and send her to her house, she certainly would create Karbala and massacre the Ahl al-Bayt and their family. The fact that she came out of her house once again and riddled the scared body of Imam al-Mujtaba with 70 arrows and prevented His Holy body to be buried beside His Grandfather, shows that she did not repent despite the fact that the Umaris claim she repented and stayed at her house for the rest of her life.

 

2. Wife of a Prophet can be disbeliever, Quran proves this in case of Prophet Nuh and Prophet Lut.

 

3. Umm ul-Mo'minin in Quran means that 'no one can marry them'; the verse was revealed when some Companions say we will marry Prophet's wives when He dies.


Also, Almighty Allah send down Surah al-Tahrim for your Umm al-Munafiqin

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May Allah Bless you both Sunnis and Shias...I am like water, i find my own path..,..So all your accusations are false against me....

Shukran and Alhamdullilah...


Everything you wrote above tells of, you are a bigoted Sunni who is programmed from generations to "not think" and "just blabbel".

Read again of what you wrote, and you will agree with me .. LOLZ

 

If You feel so...Ok

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Maps - why do you talk in riddles? you make no sense!

 

riddles hold secrets and truth...Even open truths are no seen by blind people atleast let them bhit their head and fin out or use their brains...

 

Shukran and salam

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riddles hold secrets and truth...Even open truths are no seen by blind people atleast let them bhit their head and fin out or use their brains...

 

Shukran and salam

 

So Suda was a pious, obedient wife of the Holy Prophet of Allah. A'yesha was a stubborn wife who conspired with Talha and Zubair against Ali and went to Basra. There Uthman Bin Hanafi, a great companion of the Prophet and governor of Basra appointed by Ali, was captured. His hair and beard were pulled out; he was tortured and driven out. More than 100 innocent, helpless persons were killed. Ibn Athir, Mas'udi, Muhammad Bin Jarir Tabari, Ibn Abi'l-Hadid, and others have written in detail about this event. 

After this outrage, she mounted a camel named Askar, dressed in the skin of a lion, protected by armor and entered the battlefield like a soldier. Because of her revolt, thousands of Muslims lost their lives. Was this initiative on her part not a transgression against the command of Allah and His Holy Prophet?

 

And what is more surprising is that she adopted this shameless stand against Ali Bin Abi Talib, whose virtues and merits have been so extensively recorded by your own distinguished ulema that it is impossible to recount them all.

 

Imam Ahmad Bin Hanbal in his Masnad, Ibn Abi'l-Hadid in his Sharh-e-Nahju'l-Balagha, Imam Fakhru'd-din Razi in his Tafsir-e-Kabir, Katib Khawarizmi in his Manaqib, Sheikh Sulayman Balkhi Hanafi in his Yanabiu'l-Mawadda, Muhammad Yusuf Ganji Shafi'i in Kifayatu't-Talib, ch. 62, and Mir Seyyed Ali Hamadani Shafi'i in his Mawaddatu'l-Qurba, Mawadda V, narrate from the second Caliph, Umar Bin Khattab and Abdullah Ibn Abbas that the Holy Prophet said to Ali: "If all the oceans were ink, all the trees were pens, and all human beings were writers and all the Jinn maintained the records, even then, O Abu'l-Hasan! Your virtues could not be numbered."

 

When the Holy Prophet states that "all men and jinn combined cannot account for his virtues," how can we, with our limited means, give a complete account of his merits? 

Apart from the Shia ulema, your own ulema, for all their fanaticism, have filled their books with only part of his innumerable virtues.   

 

You should study your Siha-e-Sitta, the six books of hadith. Apart from these, it is stated in Mir Seyyed Ali Hamadani's Mawaddatu'l-Qurba; Tabrani's Mu'ajam Kabir; Muhammad Bin Talha Shafi'i's Matalibu's-Su'ul; Imam Ahmad Bin Hanbal's Musnad and Faza'il; Hamidi's Bainu's-Sahihain; Khawarizmi's Manaqib; Ibn Abi'l-Hadid's Sharh-e-Nahju'l-Balagha, vol. II, p.449; Ibn Sabbagh Maliki's Fusulu'l-Muhimma, particularly p.124, from Hafiz Abdu'l-Aziz Bin Al'Akhzaru'l-Janabiz, who writes in his book Ma'alimu'l-'Atratu'n-Nabawiyya that Fatima Zahra said that on the night of Arafa her father, the Holy Prophet of Allah, went to her and said, "Allah Almighty takes pride in you people before the angels and has forgiven you all and particularly Ali. I, the Prophet of Allah, say without any consideration for love due to kinship that verily the most fortunate and prosperous man is he who is a friend of Ali during his life or after his death. The most damned of the damned is he who is an enemy of Ali, during his life or after death." 

 

Also in the above books is a detailed hadith which I think I have referred to in earlier nights, from Caliph Umar Bin Khattab, who said that the Holy Prophet said to Ali: "A liar is he who thinks that he loves me while he is your enemy. O Ali! He who is your friend is my friend. If somebody is my friend, Allah is his friend. If Allah is somebody's friend, He admits him to Paradise. He who is your enemy, is my enemy. If somebody is my enemy, Allah also is his enemy and He throws him into Hell." 

 

It is also reported from the Kitabu'l-Al of Ibn Khalawayh, narrating from Abu Sa'id Khadiri, that the Holy Prophet said to Ali: "O Ali! Friendship with you is faith and opposition to you is hypocrisy. The first person who enters Paradise shall be your friend, and the first person who is thrown into Hell shall be your enemy." 

Mir Seyyed Ali Hamadani Shafi'i in his Mawaddatu'l-Qurba, Mawadda III, and Hamwaini in his Fara'id report that the Holy Prophet said while among his companions: "No one loves Ali except one who is a believer, and no one is hostile to him except one who is an infidel." On another occasion he said: "O Ali! It is only the believer who loves you, and it is only the hypocrite who hates you."

 

Muhammad Bin Yusuf Ganji Shafi'i in his Kifayatu't-Talib, p. 119, ch.62, quotes from Ta'rikh-e-Damishqi, Muhadith-e-Sham, and Muhadith-e-Iraq, narrating from Hudhaifa and Jabir that the Holy Prophet said: "Ali is the best of mankind; one who refuses to accept this is an infidel."

 

It is also reported from Ata that people asked A'yesha about Ali and she said: "He is the best of mankind. No one except an infidel has any doubt of it."

He says that Hafiz Ibn Asakir in his Ta'rikh, a work comprised of 100 volumes three volumes of which are written in praise of Ali, has reported this hadith from A'yesha.

Muhammad Bin Talha Shafi'i in Matalibu's-Su'ul, p.17, Ibn Sabbagh Makki in Fusulu'l-Muhimma, report from Tirmidhi and Nisa'i that Abu Sa'id Khudri said: "During the days of the Holy Prophet we used to recognize the hypocrites by their animosity towards Ali."

 

It is related in Fusulu'l-Muhimma that the Holy Prophet said to Amiru'l-Mu'minin Ali: "O Ali! To fight against you is to fight against me; your blood is my blood. I fight against him who fights against you; it is only the legitimate person who loves you, and it is the illegitimate one who has animosity towards you. It is only the believer who loves you, and it is only the hypocrite who is hostile to you."

 

 

In addition, the following authors narrate the hadith concerning hypocrites' hatred of Ali: Imam Ahmad Hanbal in Musnad, vol. I, pp.95, 138; Ibn Abdu'l-Barr in Isti'ab, vol. III, p.37; Ahmad Khatib Baghdadi in Ta'rikh-e-Baghdad, vol. XIV, p.426; Ibn Abi'l-Hadid in Sharh-e-Nahju'l-Balagha, vol. IV, p.264; Imam Nisa'i in Sunan, vol. VIII, p.117 and Khasa'isu'l-Alawi, p. 27; Hamwaini in Fara'id, ch.22; Ibn Hajar in Isaba, vol.II, p.509; Hafiz Abu Nu'aim in Hilyatu'l-Auliya, vol.IV, p.185; Sibt Ibn Jauzi in Tadhkira, p.15; Suyuti in Jami'u'l-Kabir, pp. 152, 408; Muhammad Ibn Talha Shafi'i in Matalibu's-Su'ul, p.17; Tirmidhi in Jami'i, vol. II, p.13, all these have reported in their books in slightly different words from Umme Salma or Ibn Abbas that the Holy Prophet said: "O Ali! A hypocrite is not your friend and a believer is not your enemy. It is only the believer who loves you, and it is only the hypocrite who hates you. A hypocrite does not love Ali and a believer does not hate Ali."

Ibn Abi'l-Hadid in his Sharh-e-Nahju'l-Balagha, vol. I, p.367, reports from Sheikh Abu'l-Qasim Balkhi, the chief of Mu'tazilites, that he said, 'All the hadith unanimously report those correct hadith and there is no doubt in the authenticity of those which say that the Holy Prophet said to Ali, 'No one is hostile to you except the one who is a hypocrite. No one is your friend except the one who is a believer.'

Also, in volume IV of his book, on page 264, he quotes the sermon of Amiru'l-Mu'minin, in which the Holy Imam says: "If I strike a believer with this sword in his face so that he might be hostile to me, he will never be hostile to me; but if I give the whole world to a hypocrite so that he might love me, he will never love me. And this is in accordance with the utterance of the Holy Prophet who said: 'Only believers love you, only hypocrites are hostile to you.'"

There are many hadith of this kind in your reliable books. I have cited only a few of them.

Wasn't A'yesha's revolt against Ali's authority a revolt against the Prophet himself? Was this fighting or her urging the people to fight against Ali, due to her friendship or was it due to enmity? Obviously, it was due to hostility. In all the hadith which I have just related, the Holy Prophet said that one of the signs of infidelity is fighting against Ali. How would you reconcile the stand taken by Ummu'l-Mu'minin A'yesha in fighting Ali with these hadith? It has just come to my mind that Mir Seyyed Ali Hamadani Shafi'i in his Mawaddatu'l-Qurba, Mawadda 3, has reported from A'yesha herself that the Holy Prophet said: "Allah has pledged His word to me that whoever revolts against Ali is an infidel and his place is in Hell."

It is strange that when people asked her why she revolted against Ali having heard such a hadith from the Holy Prophet she merely replied: "I forgot this hadith on the day of the Battle of the Camel. I did not remember it until I came to Basra." 

: Even if I admit that she forgot that hadith on the day of the Battle of the Camel, didn't she remember it when she was returning from Mecca and all her friends including the pious wives of the Holy Prophet warned her that she should not perpetrate such an action, since opposition to Ali was opposition to the Holy Prophet?

Your own historians who have recorded the Battle of the Camel have drawn attention to the fact that the Holy Prophet said: "O A'yesha! Fear that path on which the dogs of Haw'ab may bark at you." When however, on her way to Basra, she reached the brook of the Bani Kilab, dogs surrounded her litter and began barking. She asked the people what place it was. She was told that it was Haw'ab. Then she remembered what the Holy Prophet had said. Why then did she walk into the trap of Talha and Zubair? Why did she proceed until she reached Basra where she created such a tumultuous uproar? Would you say that she had forgotten this also, or that she trod that path deliberately? 

She deliberately transgressed the order of Allah and the Holy Prophet and, having conspired with Talha and Zubair, went to fight against the Caliph and vicegerent of the Holy Prophet, although she had herself reported that the Holy Prophet said: "One who fights against Ali is an infidel."

Was it not a cause of distress to the Holy Prophet that as soon as the Commander of the Faithful assumed the reins of the caliphate, disturbances were created and conspirators prepared for battle against him. I have told you earlier with authentic sources that the Holy Prophet said, "He who distresses Ali, verily distresses me. He who distresses me, verily distresses Allah. O people! he who distresses Ali shall be raised as a Jew or Christian on the day of resurrection."

These reports can be found in your authentic books. Why then should you find fault with the Shias? Responsibility for the blood of innocent believers, the torture and expulsion of Uthman Bin Hunaif, and the murder of more than 100 including the unarmed keepers of the Treasury who had no concern with the battle - forty of whom were killed in the mosque - lay squarely on the instigator of the battle. Allama Mas'udi in his Muruju'z-Dhahib, vol. II, p.7, has written about this in these words: "Besides those who were injured, seventy of the unarmed guards of baitu'l-mal (Treasury) were put to death. Of these seventy, fifty were beheaded in prison. These people were the first among the Muslims to have been tortured to death."

Among your ulema and historians, Ibn Jarir and Ibn Athir have given detailed accounts of these events.

Perhaps you should expunge these reports from your authentic books. In fact, in the reprints of these books, some of your ulema have changed some of this disagreeable information and in some cases have omitted it altogether. You should either refuse to accept what your notable ulema and historians have written, or you should give up censuring the Shias. They say only what is recorded in your own reliable books. 

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Everything you wrote above tells of, you are a bigoted Sunni who is programmed from generations to "not think" and "just blabbel".

Read again of what you wrote, and you will agree with me .. LOLZ

 

To be fair you're no different if you take the stock shia position.  I could say as well that it's not just sunnis, but shias who don't always think and just repeat what's been said over and over again.  If what they said was true that's fine, but even when there's no authentic reports it's still taken as 100% true.

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