Car Bomb Rocks Beirut Southern Suburb, 21 Wounded

[ImAli]

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Local-News/2013/Jul-09/223058-explosion-heard-in-beirut-southern-suburbs.ashx#axzz2YXNAIoJE

BEIRUT: A car bomb explosion ripped Tuesday through Beirut’s southern suburbs, a stronghold of Hezbollah, wounding of at least 21 people, security sources said.

Ambulances and fire trucks rushed to the scene of the blast site in Bir al-Abed just before noon and plumes of thick smoke could be seen from miles away.

At least a dozen vehicles in a parking lot were set on fire as residents rushed to rescue the wounded and clear the debris.

Residents were urged the clear the area, fearing a second explosion.

Haret Hreik Mayor Ziad Wakid described the bombing as a “terrorist act.”

“The area won’t kneel down,” he told reporters as he inspected the blast site.

[GodBlessAli]

The article says 37 people wounded (most of them not critical) and at least one person was killed. He/she died a martyr.

 

انا لله وانا اليه راجعون

Edited July 9, 2013 by GodBlessAli

[Your-Best-Friend]

5+ died

40+ injured

[GodBlessAli]

5+ died

40+ injured

 

What is your source?

[ImAli]

No one died as of yet, 38 were wounded, mostly women and children. Most of the wounds were not serious.....of the 38 people sent to Bahman hospital 30 were released shortly after treatment.

http://www.almanar.com.lb/main.php

I think this is the most reliable source as to what is going on......don't listen to the other outlets who are secretly wishing for a blood bath f mass death.

Edited July 9, 2013 by ImAli

[ShiaBen]

The cowardly way of fighting Shiites. They just want to utilize as much suicide bombing campaigns as possible especially through the use of car bombs so they can reduce the Shiite population and beat them into submission of fear. Well it still won't change anything. 

[Brained]

Bombs and wahabis -that's one bloody relationship I want to see an end to. These cowards don't have guts to come face to face with Shias, so resort to the dastardly act of targeting non-combatants and civilians from distance afar, much like the wicked fox. 

[ImAli]

They were celebrating in that rat hole Trablos (Tripoli)......

[Robin Hood]

They were celebrating in that rat hole Trablos (Tripoli)......

 

This area should be cleaned. Especially Bab al-Tabbeneh scums, they should be sent to Hell!

Allah yor7am trabak ya Hafez...

Edited July 9, 2013 by Robin Hood

[Noah-]

I don't think it was the Sunni-militants of Lebanon/Syria.

I believe it was the Israeli Mossad... as to cause celebrations in Tripoli.

 

 

[Ugly Jinn]

Not a surprise. 

 

The consequence of Hizbullah stepping on Syrian soil. 

 

I said it all along, Hizbullah attacking on Syrian soil was a huge mistake, now it's getting a taste on it's own soil. 

Edited July 10, 2013 by Ugly Jinn

[ImAli]

Not a surprise.

The consequence of Hizbullah stepping on Syrian soil.

I said it all along, Hizbullah attacking on Syrian soil was a huge mistake. Now it's getting a taste of it's own medicine on it's own soil.

You should stop while your ahead of yourself, and don't fool yourself to believe that you always know what is going on. Certain people In Lebanon have been trying to find a way to disarm and weaken Hezbollah before the situation in Syria came about, and if it weren't for Syria they would have some other excuse. Hezbollah had no choice but to get involved, they had been using lebanon as a smuggling grounds and attacking Lebanese villages, threatening people, kidnapping people, and much more before its involvement.

When you see a fire moving towards your land and your house you don't wait until it begins burning part of your house to do something. These scumbags in Syria threatened to come "liberate" lebanon and had been begging for confrontation long before Hezbollah became involved....remember that. This also has just as much to do with old grudges and assir's cowards getting squashed, rounded up, and charged I'm sure Syria is a convenient excuse. Yes, if assir is found he and others may be sentenced to death for killing members of the military and for high treason...some people are angry about that therefore they are out for revenge (revenge for this and for 2008 which stills weighs fresh on their pride).

Edited July 10, 2013 by ImAli

[Aabiss_Shakari]

Not a surprise. 

 

The consequence of Hizbullah stepping on Syrian soil. 

 

I said it all along, Hizbullah attacking on Syrian soil was a huge mistake, now it's getting a taste on it's own soil. 

 

Yes Hizbullah made a huge mistake in stopping Takfiri/Wahabis from interfering in Syria's internal matters. Hizbullah should let them topple the Syrian government and rule Syria like PEACEFUL, LOVING, RESPECTABLE AND RESPECTFUL Salafi rulers. I suspect is it possible for Wahabis to behave nice? Sorry i must say that Hizbullah and Syrian Army should have welcomed Salafi/Wahabi thugs with flowers. 

[Ugly Jinn]

You should stop while your ahead of yourself, and don't fool yourself to believe that you always know what is going on. Certain people In Lebanon have been trying to find a way to disarm and weaken Hezbollah before the situation in Syria came about, and if it weren't for Syria they would have some other excuse. Hezbollah had no choice but to get involved, they had been using lebanon as a smuggling grounds and attacking Lebanese villages, threatening people, kidnapping people, and much more before its involvement.

When you see a fire moving towards your land and your house you don't wait until it begins burning part of your house to do something. These scumbags in Syria threatened to come "liberate" lebanon and had been begging for confrontation long before Hezbollah became involved....remember that. This also has just as much to do with old grudges and assir's cowards getting squashed, rounded up, and charged I'm sure Syria is a convenient excuse. Yes, if assir is found he and others may be sentenced to death for killing members of the military and for high treason...some people are angry about that therefore they are out for revenge (revenge for this and for 2008 which stills weighs fresh on their pride).

 

Let's not have horse blinders on shall we, otherwise you'll just defend Hizbullah regardless of what it does and oppose Syrian opposition no matter what it does.

 

This type of attack never happens in Hizbullah stronghold, yet happened weeks after it involved itself on Syrian soil. Ain't that a coincidence? Even for sake of argument we go ahead with your accusation that certain Lebanese folks want to weaken Hizbullah, then you should realize what triggered them to do something like this at this time. It's really not that hard. 

 

Hizbullah jeopardized the whole countries involvement with their antic, created a hatred from Syrians who want Assad removed, and to expect no repercussions from within Lebanon or from Syrians is foolish to say the least. If I was a Syrian protester (which majority were Sunni) wanting to remove Assad and sees a Shia foreign group interfering on my soil against me then I would hate them also, and that leads to retaliation.

 

If you are going to live in a Shia glass world where Shias can do no wrong then you'll never understand the big picture. And just because I criticize Hizbullah doesn't mean I'm not on their side.

 

If you look at my old posts (which I've posted weeks ago) I've predicted the dangers of Hizbullah's involvement, so this attack is no surprise to me.

 

Yes Hizbullah made a huge mistake in stopping Takfiri/Wahabis from interfering in Syria's internal matters. Hizbullah should let them topple the Syrian government and rule Syria like PEACEFUL, LOVING, RESPECTABLE AND RESPECTFUL Salafi rulers. I suspect is it possible for Wahabis to behave nice? Sorry i must say that Hizbullah and Syrian Army should have welcomed Salafi/Wahabi thugs with flowers. 

 

It's none of Hizbullah's business to interfere in another country, nor is it authorized to do so without Lebanese government's authorization, especially physically on foreign soil.

 

If you are only going to think like a biased Shia and justify every situation then it's no different than Sunnis thinking like a biased Sunni justifying every situation.

Edited July 10, 2013 by Ugly Jinn

[Noah-]

^Mr. Ugly this is the way it is in today's world.

 

Lets say for the sake of the argument that your accusations are somehow true...... STILL in today's world, groups and countries interfere in other countries when they have their interests in danger. GOT IT?

 

• US and UK are doing it... the entire EU is backing them... occupying different countries and killing/injuring millions, in decades long wars.
• Saudi, Qatar and UAE entered with their full power and armies into Bahrain to crush the peaceful (non-armed) protesters.
• In 2009-2010 when the Yemeni government declared a war on Houthi fighters and it was losing it so badly, it asked the US, Alqaida, and the government of Saudi to join and beat up the Houthis from all fronts...and as a result it managed to survive against the Houthis ending up with a ceasefire.
• NATO entered Libya to remove the so called dictator and establish their agendas... they BOMBED the country.

 

 

WHY IN GOD'S WORLD, Shias are not allowed to do as such? And these folks (Shias) from Lebanon, Iraq, Syria or Iran must mind their own business, never extend their hands to help each other... and wait for the (international gang, namely Alqaida and NATO dogs) to go around different countries and slaughter and finish their allies?

 

What kind of logic and mentality you piece of hater have?

Why don't you see all those countries, networks going around the region and physically getting involved in wars?

 

And btw: I don't think our Shia-Lebanese brothers ever need the sympathy of a Shia-hater, stoneworshiper.

Instead of saying a good thing for the victims, whenever there is a thread about Shias of Lebanon, Syria, Bahrain, or Iraq when they get killed or bombed or raped, you come here and say, "oh well this is a payback, oh well you deserve what you get" with your nonsense one-sided and stupid ideas.

 

For your information: Hizbullah leader grew up as a soldier and managed to fight wars and planned for wars in his entire life... you think you know more than him or more than us here about wars, its results and the Lebanese society and the consequences?

 

He clearly said that even if it takes 10000s of its soldiers and its followers, it is going to liberate the Shia villages under siege in Syria and help out his long term ally Assad against Takfiris and Zionists agendas.

 

 

 

[ImAli]

It's easy for ugly jinn to run his know it all mouth while he is safely tucked away wherever he is....meanwhile salafist mercenaries are knocking on lebanon's doors, lebanon which happens to be a religiously diverse country and we all know how salafists behave in that atmosphere (like savages).

 

The fact is ugly jinn they have been threatening to invade lebanon and no matter how many times you are told you ignore that point. They have been threatening and people like Assir and others are starting to misbehave and call them in. They want to disarm shi'ites and oppress us once again, similar to the way they did in the past. 

It's also funny how you think it must be tied in to the Syria situation which Hezb has been involved in for months. Yet not even two weeks ago Assir and his gang were smashed by the Lebanese army (with the help of Hezb) after attacking an army checkpoint. I think number two has more to do with this.

[Kazmi_202]

Before Hezbollah got involved in Syria, they weighed up all the possible negative reactions of getting involved against all the benefits. From the speeches of Sayyid Hassan (ha) it is evident that they expect a lot of things to be done to them and their support base. He has not highlighted each of these possibilities one by one, as that would be stupid (it would be like giving the enemy a 'how to upset Hezb' guide).

 

Now for you to think that your prediction of trouble and chaos in Lebanon somehow escaped the organisation and people who actually live there, is quite disingenuous.

 

You need to understand that Hezbollah went forward with its approach after analysing all the possibilities and still coming out with the conclusion that it is better to go then to remain silent. They are prepared for a lot more then what has happened so far, because unfortunately at the start of this year it came to a point where it was now a matter of survival.

 

No suicide bombings or missiles will hinder Hezbollah from their mission, in fact it will reinforce for them the idea that they did the right thing, as its better to fight these criminals now, then wait until they are fully organised and armed. The only thing that can cause a true problem for Hezb are its support base, its people. If they fail to understand what's at risk here, or become tired prior to the final victory, then things could become complicated. But Alhumdulillah, from all that i have seen, the majority of its Lebanese supporters have been tried and tested for numerous years and are undeterred in the face of huge storms, so no amount of bombs is going to change anything.

Edited July 10, 2013 by Kazmi_202

[Ugly Jinn]

^Mr. Ugly this is the way it is in today's world.

 

Lets say for the sake of the argument that your accusations are somehow true...... STILL in today's world, groups and countries interfere in other countries when they have their interests in danger. GOT IT?

 

• US and UK are doing it... the entire EU is backing them... occupying different countries and killing/injuring millions, in decades long wars.
• Saudi, Qatar and UAE entered with their full power and armies into Bahrain to crush the peaceful (non-armed) protesters.

 

 

WHY IN GOD'S WORLD, Shias are not allowed to do as such?

 

First of all, you comparison is incorrect. You used examples of countries, Hizbullah is not a country, rather the top level elected official in Lebanon told Hizbullah to withdraw. Huge fundamental difference. The Lebanese elected an official to make decisions on their behalf, Hizbullah has no right to endanger Lebanon by taking such steps.

 

Now, let's for the sake of argument ignore the technicality in the first point I made. US, UK, Saudi, Qatar, and UAE are all in the wrong (NATO is different, but that's a different topic). So you are basically validating Hizbullah's actions by using US,UK,Saudi, etc? So atleast you admit they are all in the same boat.

 

So either you:

 

1) Agree that it's okay for the US, UK, Saudi, Qatar, and UAE to stick their nose in other country's business just like Hizbullah

2) Or you agree that US, UK, Saudi, Qatar, UAE, Hizbullah are all in the wrong.

 

Just because 'Shias' are involved you think anything that helps/benefits them is justified - you can bend the principles, yet others using the same logic for their benefit is wrong? If US was Shia, you'd defend it, if Israel was Shia you'd defend it, if Saudi was Shia you'd defend it, you have no principles, it's not dependant on what is right or wrong, it's dependent on who are Shia and who aren't. 

 

Your argument is spewing hypocrisy.

 

But I don't expect you to see it with Shia blinders on. 

 

 

It's easy for ugly jinn to run his know it all mouth while he is safely tucked away wherever he is....meanwhile salafist mercenaries are knocking on lebanon's doors, lebanon which happens to be a religiously diverse country and we all know how salafists behave in that atmosphere (like savages).

 

The fact is ugly jinn they have been threatening to invade lebanon and no matter how many times you are told you ignore that point. They have been threatening and people like Assir and others are starting to misbehave and call them in. They want to disarm shi'ites and oppress us once again, similar to the way they did in the past. 

It's also funny how you think it must be tied in to the Syria situation which Hezb has been involved in for months. Yet not even two weeks ago Assir and his gang were smashed by the Lebanese army (with the help of Hezb) after attacking an army checkpoint. I think number two has more to do with this.

 

Three points:

 

1) Salafis can careless about Lebanon, their emphasize is on Syria. 

2) Even if Salafis threaten Lebanon, it's Lebanon's job to take action as a whole, Hizbullah has no authority to bypass the government an make decisions to go on foreign soil on it's own. 

3) Lastly, if you are justifying Hizbullah's interference on Syrian soil then don't act naive to think there won't be any retaliation back towards Hezbollah/Lebanon.

 

Anyways, I've predicted this and it's happening. Hizbullah attacked on Syrian soil and now they are getting attacked on Lebanese soil. They have involved Lebanon because of their mistake. 

 

But who cares, let's get all those takfiris in Syria, cause we all know that everyone that opposes Assad is a Takfiri/Salafi.

Edited July 10, 2013 by Ugly Jinn

[peace seeker]

Ugly is trying to be clever, and act like he's Nostradamus predicting that takfiris would attack lebanon, when they have been calling for it since over 2 years already!

 

way to go ugly !!!

 

and then ugly is trying to play the police man who says what the defender of lebanon's territories may do or not do. that ugly guy is just frustrated with hezb Allah's success, especially that they have turned the tables around in syria, and he's probably frustrated that the attacks on lebanon haven't been more than this!

 

ugly ugly jinn with his zionist nonsense talk again !!! may this world be rid of that 

i want this ugly jinn to come out with his zionist talk further and tell us that:

 

1 - if it wasn't for the hezb Allah, the zionists would have left lebanon alone :D

2 - if it wasn't for the hezb Allah, the takfiris would leave lebanon alone :D

 

come on !! dare to say that !!! i dare you you ugly jinn !!! 

 

 

 

Hezbollah was conceived and inspired by Muslim clerics following the Israeli invasion of Lebanon, and was primarily formed to offer resistance to the Israeli occupation.^[22]

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah

 

so the liberators and protectors of lebanon have the right to protect it in their allied friendly neighbors neighborhood too !!! 

 

ugly jinn is a zionist takfiri propaganda person !!!  he just hates everything that the zionists hate too !! isn't that an interesting coincidence ???

 

here ugly zionist jinn: i suggest you leave this forum and go here instead ..

 

http://yisrael.freeforums.org

 

you'll find may like-minded brothers of yours there :)

many ugly jinn and ugly humans as well .. go on !

[Noah-]

 

First of all, you comparison is incorrect. You used examples of countries, Hizbullah is not a country, rather the top level elected official in Lebanon told Hizbullah to withdraw. Huge fundamental difference. The Lebanese elected an official to make decisions on their behalf, Hizbullah has no right to endanger Lebanon by taking such steps.

 

Now, let's for the sake of argument ignore the technicality in the first point I made. US, UK, Saudi, Qatar, and UAE are all in the wrong (NATO is different, but that's a different topic). So you are basically validating Hizbullah's actions by using US,UK,Saudi, etc? So atleast you admit they are all in the same boat.

 

So either you:

 

1) Agree that it's okay for the US, UK, Saudi, Qatar, and UAE to stick their nose in other country's business just like Hizbullah

2) Or you agree that US, UK, Saudi, Qatar, UAE, Hizbullah are all in the wrong.

 

Just because 'Shias' are involved you think anything that helps/benefits them is justified - you can bend the principles, yet others using the same logic for their benefit is wrong? If US was Shia, you'd defend it, if Israel was Shia you'd defend it, if Saudi was Shia you'd defend it, you have no principles, it's not dependant on what is right or wrong, it's dependent on who are Shia and who aren't. 

 

Your argument is spewing hypocrisy.

 

But I don't expect you to see it with Shia blinders on. 

 

Yea my comparison would be incorrect if you had smoked something strong and couldn't think properly.

 

1. Since when Alqaida became a country? oh I forgot maybe they run their little Khilafa in Calcutta! The Takfiris from 40+ countries present in Syria DO NOT represent any country, they simply are in Syria to establish 'khilafa' and fight Kuffar, secularists, Shias, Alawites and etc... That is Jabatul Nusra, the other one calls itself 'Alqaida of Iraq' fighting in Syria...(by the way they are not even Iraqis).

 

2. It has nothing to do with Lebanese officials on what Hizbullah fighters do in outside country. Hizbullah never invited foreigners in Lebanon, and Hizbullah never forced any Lebanese to go with them for fights in Syria... AND other Lebanese (such as Sunni-Salafis) GO FROM LEBANON INTO SYRIA TO FIGHT. Where the officials just like you might think that Sunnis are gifted by God to freely go around the countries to establish their Khilafa and help other Jihadists.

 

3. NATO was established to counter USSR/China, but after the cold war ended, IT IS KNOWN TO EVERYONE that is nothing but a military-wing of the Zionists and a few racist folks under the controlled capitalist economic system to wage wars on their behalf. The countries who are even part of NATO, their citizens, voters, parliaments, houses of representatives, NONE OF THEM HAVE ANY POWER over the decisions made by NATO, especially when the big brother is the only one calling the shots, and then easily Libya is invaded, Syria is endangered and etc.. when US invaded Iraq, it broke all international rules and regulations, even the puppet UN opposed the invasion. But, guess what? The governments can give themselves legitimacy.

 

4. Who are you to give legitimacy to Bahraini government but not the Syrian government. IT IS THE SYRIAN government who decided if Hizbullah or Iraqis or Iranians should be present in its soil or not. It is not Hizbullah a group who brought in the Syrian government into South Lebanon to fight other groups or the government.

 

5. If I agree or disagree, they are sticking their nose in other country's business. So, yes, it's absolutely Hizbullah's business with the agreement of the Syrian government in charge to be in Syria.

 

6. No, they are not in the same boat. They are in the opposed boats.

Because,

• Hizbullah proudly announces that, it is in Syria to save Shia Lebanese life, honor and protect the Shia villagers and defend its resistance ally against the Zionists and regional-Takfiri fighters. While there is no evidence to suggest that the group is enforcing anything, be it WF or Shia beliefs on anyone. It is purely defensive and has nothing to do with people's social or local life, totally the opposite of what NATO/Monarchs or Alqaida do.
• Alqaida proudly announces that it will establish Sharia from this country to that country and is in Syria to do that, and in the process to KILL, TORTURE, LOOT, cut the throats, and ENFORCE SHARIA ON PEOPLE roaming from one country to the other. And kill all Shias/Alawites and Chrisitan or convert the Sunnis to Salafi Islam.
• And NATO (and its puppet monarchs) are in Syria to score against Assad, and they proudly announce that they are there to 'enforce the so called democracy' and enforce freedom on Syrias by removing a dictator.. the same way they did in Libya.

 

They all proudly announce their goals and it is not hidden to anyone. And it is truly clear on their statements and stances that who is right and who is wrong.... And if they are in the same boat.

[ImAli]

 

 

First of all, you comparison is incorrect. You used examples of countries, Hizbullah is not a country, rather the top level elected official in Lebanon told Hizbullah to withdraw. Huge fundamental difference. The Lebanese elected an official to make decisions on their behalf, Hizbullah has no right to endanger Lebanon by taking such steps.

 

Now, let's for the sake of argument ignore the technicality in the first point I made. US, UK, Saudi, Qatar, and UAE are all in the wrong (NATO is different, but that's a different topic). So you are basically validating Hizbullah's actions by using US,UK,Saudi, etc? So atleast you admit they are all in the same boat.

 

So either you:

 

1) Agree that it's okay for the US, UK, Saudi, Qatar, and UAE to stick their nose in other country's business just like Hizbullah

2) Or you agree that US, UK, Saudi, Qatar, UAE, Hizbullah are all in the wrong.

 

Just because 'Shias' are involved you think anything that helps/benefits them is justified - you can bend the principles, yet others using the same logic for their benefit is wrong? If US was Shia, you'd defend it, if Israel was Shia you'd defend it, if Saudi was Shia you'd defend it, you have no principles, it's not dependant on what is right or wrong, it's dependent on who are Shia and who aren't. 

 

Your argument is spewing hypocrisy.

 

But I don't expect you to see it with Shia blinders on. 

 

 

 

Three points:

 

1) Salafis can careless about Lebanon, their emphasize is on Syria. 

2) Even if Salafis threaten Lebanon, it's Lebanon's job to take action as a whole, Hizbullah has no authority to bypass the government an make decisions to go on foreign soil on it's own. 

3) Lastly, if you are justifying Hizbullah's interference on Syrian soil then don't act naive to think there won't be any retaliation back towards Hezbollah/Lebanon.

 

Anyways, I've predicted this and it's happening. Hizbullah attacked on Syrian soil and now they are getting attacked on Lebanese soil. They have involved Lebanon because of their mistake. 

 

But who cares, let's get all those takfiris in Syria, cause we all know that everyone that opposes Assad is a Takfiri/Salafi.

 

 

# 1 Of your post.....complete BS

 

# 2 The same government that has people which wish them to disarm.....all the while extremist sunnis and salafis have been stocking up on weapons (do you even know some of the weapons they found in Assirs compound?....I bet not Mr. expert on Lebnon), dont forget that Israel invades the airspace of south Lebanon daily and just the other day IDF kidnapped two farmers.....oh yeah hezb should disarm LOL hyenas are coming from all corners...lets lay down for them.

 

# 3 No one is saying that the cowards won't try to retaliate.....however it's quite rich of you to decide it must be only because of Syria when not even 2 weeks ago big  mouth Assir pulled his stunt calling for sunnis to leave the military and join him as he attacked a checkpoint. 

Edited July 10, 2013 by ImAli

[Ugly Jinn]

1. Since when Alqaida became a country? oh I forgot maybe they run their little Khilafa in Calcutta! The Takfiris from 40+ countries present in Syria DO NOT represent any country, they simply are in Syria to establish 'khilafa' and fight Kuffar, secularists, Shias, Alawites and etc... That is Jabatul Nusra, the other one calls itself 'Alqaida of Iraq' fighting in Syria...(by the way they are not even Iraqis).

Edited July 11, 2013 by Ugly Jinn

[kim.tinkerbell]

Jin you talk like your the only one that predecited these things. Am sure the media also help your predication ball.

Do you honestly think that the next leader of syria well be better then Assad. Look at moris, his caused more harm then good within one year.

It may of not been the best move from hizallah in the eyes of alot of people in the world, he is still fighting bad people and I dont think the salafis their desrve to live. His not harming familys and kids, his not beheading people, his not raping woman,his not destroying mosques, his not gainning pleasure from killing.

This all means his still a good person that is only fighting people that are causing more harm to the world then good. No, am not suggesting bashar is an angel but his better then alot of arab leaders and I dont want a salafi to replace him. Salafi / wahabies thinking is more dangours to mankind then any other sect.

[Noah-]

I didn't quote Al-Qaida did I? No. You can use al-qaida as an example, that's valid, but what are you trying to prove? All you are doing is validating Hizbullah using al-qaida. All you are doing is, "hey al-qaida does it so why can't hizbullah".  :wacko:

 

 

It has everything to do with what Hizbullah does outside it's own country where it calls base and is involved in the government. Don't try to give Hizbullah a license to do whatever it wants on foreign soil just like takfiris give al-qaida the license. As I said, the Lebanese president even told Hizbullah to withdraw. But wait, the president might be a takfiri sell out also.  :wacko:

 

 

Off topic. 

 

 

With that logic, it's absolutely Syrian's business to attack Hizbullah in Lebanon for sticking their nose in their own business. You are justifying hizbullah's freedom to do whatever it wants in Lebanon or on foreign soil, yet others who do the same are in the wrong (because they are not Shia ofcourse)? You have no consistency in your argument whatsoever.

 

 

Hizbullah is trying to save it's ally Assad, nothing more. So spare me your delusions. That's the problem with you and others, you only care about Shias as if the majority of Sunnis in Syria are a non-factor or are all takfiris. 

 

You just have a one dimensional argument, whichever side Shias are on they are right. That's it. 

 

Edited July 11, 2013 by Noah-

[ImAli]

 2) No one said Hizbullah should disarm, but they shouldn't have made attacks on foreign soil. This is not rocket science, the consequences of their action was already predicted.

 

I predicted Hizbullah is risking Lebanon's involvement by attacking on Syrian soil = Bomb explodes in Lebanon

I predicted Sunnis will start disliking Hizbullah around the world for interfering on Syrian soil = "Gulf council to increase measures against Hizbullah". http://centralasiaonline.com/en_GB/articles/caii/newsbriefs/2013/06/27/newsbrief-21

 

But hey, what do I know.  ^_^

 

3) When was the last time Hizbullah stronghold was bombed like this? If you think this bomb had nothing to do with Syria then I'm sorry but you are very naive.

You obviously aren't listening. Plenty want Hezbollah to disarm. The Hariri lovers, the salafits, certain Christian elements....however Gea Gea was blabbering on the media a while back basically saying that he doesn't blame Hezbollah for getting involved. Aside from these groups named in the last sentence, the khaleejis, israelis, nato, etc. are salivating like dogs for the day that Hezbollah disarms. What did you think all of that nonsense assir and his savage lemmings have been pulling over the past couple of years was about, did you think it was about Syria?

Sorry but Noah is right......Hezbollah is a legitimate part of the government and they had no choice but to get involved. The real Syrian government invited them, and the fake Syrian army has been begging for a confrontation with the Lebanese constantly making threats over and over, attacking border Lebanese villages (before Hezbollah involvement), attacking the Lebanese Army cross border (did you hear about that or not?). So what gives? Sit there and wait for them to come in full force? Do you realize they had tunnels and routes using lebanon as an arms smuggling center? Then when a lot of that got shut off they threw temper tantrums making more threats once again. Oh yes, just make lebanon a big huge fugitive base and arms smuggling center.....make it even easier for them to start more trouble here and next door. I can tell you many more things these animals have done before Hezbollah got involved if you like, things not covered on Al Jazeera and other news outlets.......admit it or not you are saying half truths on here and if was as simple as you would like to see it I might have to agree with you.....but it's not that cut and dry.

[Ugly Jinn]

It may of not been the best move from hizallah in the eyes of alot of people in the world, he is still fighting bad people and I dont think the salafis their desrve to live. His not harming familys and kids, his not beheading people, his not raping woman,his not destroying mosques, his not gainning pleasure from killing.

This all means his still a good person that is only fighting people that are causing more harm to the world then good. No, am not suggesting bashar is an angel but his better then alot of arab leaders and I dont want a salafi to replace him. Salafi / wahabies thinking is more dangours to mankind then any other sect.

 

"Bad people" according to whom? That's the whole point. The hundreds and thousands of Syrians who protested against Assad are good or bad? All people are doing on this site is turning this into a sporting event, everyone is supporting their team without realizing there are millions of good people supporting the opposing team also (removal of Assad). Shias are turning this into Assad/Hizbullah (the righteous team) vs. Takfiris/Salafis, as if the hundreds of thousands of good Syrians wanting Assad removed are non-existent or all turned into deviants. As if all the killings by Assad has become justified and righteous because they were all deviant takfiris/salafis.

 

You can't bend your principles because it benefits your team, that's hypocritical. Shias are using these extremists taking advantage of the situation (which is a norm during a revolution like this) to justify dismissing the hundreds of thousands that want Assad removed. 

 

The world is changing, several dictators have been toppled recently because the people are not happy, and Assad is no exception. Hundreds and thousands of Syrians protested in several cities on several occasions for months. Hizbullah has made more enemies around the world by interfering. So in the eyes of millions around the world and in Syria, 'Hizbullah' has become the 'bad people', especially in the eyes of Sunnis around the world, and they are taking action. And if you say "Who cares" like Noah does for everything, then expect people to say "Who cares" for the bombings in Lebanon and attacks on Shias also - it's the same mindset.

 

1. Well, then you need to admit it. Just because you did not quote Alqaida, and you write off topic when it comes to Bahrain where you did quote and write off topic to NATO. Then that makes my comparison incorrect? Soon you forgot your own argument?

I was discussing the same exact points where you came and said my comparison does was incorrect.... now you have no respond... And no, don't bs here.... it is totally different when Hizbullah is invited to a different country or if Hizbullah brings other forces in Lebanon. Harriri does it, other Sunnis involved in the government do it, Salafis are doing it, the political parties are dong it. But, they get a free license from Ugly Jinn and that so called Lebanese official who ignores everyone around him, but accuses Hizbullah? If Hizbullah went to Syria to aid the Syrian Takfiris, not you or the so called official or anyone who have sympathy for the Takfiri terrorists would have said a single word.a

 

 Admit what? No one is defending al qaida, rather you are using al qaida as an example to validate Hizbullah.  Again, read your logic above, you are validating Hizbullah by saying "Salafis do it".  :wacko: Yes, salafis do it hence are hated around the world and by Shias also. So atleast you admit Hizbullah is doing what salafis do.  :wacko:

 

2. Syrians attack Hizbullah? Syrians invited Hizbullah! Or you mean the Syrian terrorists, the Chechens, Saudis, Nusra group, FSA and other garbage groups? They can attack Hizbullah as much as they could... HIzbullah is a Shia organization and the Takfiris will attack Shias with or without Hizbullah, with or without Hizbullah's involvement in Syria. They kill Iraqi Shias for the last 10 yrs, Pakistanis for decades, and Yemenis for decades... now they want an excuse to go after Hizbullah, they are more than welcome. They can do whatever they want. Hizbullah knew fully that protecting Shia villages and going after Takfiris will upset the Takfiris...even more.. they are mad anyways, but now they got super-mad... AND WE DON'T CARE!

 

It was an invitation? Wow, that's so nice. And then the Lebanese President invited Hizbullah back. Seems Hizbullah is popular. Must be pre-Ramadhan celebrations. 

 

And ofcourse you don't care, and those who are going to justify attacking Lebanon because of this won't care either.

 

3. Yes, Hizbullah is saving the Syrian government, its ally against Israel and Takfiris... it is a fact! Majority or minority or whatever garbage or democracy..that is off topic.. we could sit all day argue against how Sunnis support the apartheid government of Bahrain, but nothing is going to change... they do it publicly, they do it even that the government is a puppet of the Zionists, they do it because they hate Shias and cannot tolerate a Shia Bahraini government or at least a balanced government.... now same boat or opposite boat or all of your selective words, are not going to take you anywhere.

 

Majority and minority is garbage? Majority of Syria being Sunnis is garbage? Hundreds and thousands who have protested in several cities for several months is garbage?

 

Basically, anything that doesn't benefit Shias is garbage in your eyes. 

 

And why shouldn't I care only about Shias? We extended the hands of friendship to all... even Christians and Jews know the meaning for 'mutual interests' and the basis of coexistence than the Sunnis... who know only one thing: "Shias have hidden agendas, Shias are worse than Jews, Shias have no right to rule or have equal rights with Sunnis or other citizens, and it is ok to do Takfir on Shias anything they wish or even kill them."

 

And in such an atmosphere why shouldn't I care for Shias? I should care for the cult who turns back to my face and curses me and accuse me?

 

It's not about you or I, it's about the Syrians. And they can careless what non-Syrian Shias think about Syria.

 

But I don't expect you to understand because you can careless of the hundreds of thousands who want Assad removed. 

 

You obviously aren't listening. Plenty want Hezbollah to disarm. The Hariri lovers, the salafits, certain Christian elements....however Gea Gea was blabbering on the media a while back basically saying that he doesn't blame Hezbollah for getting involved. Aside from these groups named in the last sentence, the khaleejis, israelis, nato, etc. are salivating like dogs for the day that Hezbollah disarms. What did you think all of that nonsense assir and his savage lemmings have been pulling over the past couple of years was about, did you think it was about Syria?

Edited July 11, 2013 by Ugly Jinn

[ImAli]

Ugly jinn this is not a popularity contest where we wait for the fire to erupt full blast in lebanon.......which is what will happen if we turn a blind eye. I already told you what the fsa was and is still doing in Lebanon before Hezbollah involvement...it can't be allowed and must be stopped before it enters......also the president doesn't hold absolute power and it was cowardly of him to say that.

[Abu_Muslim]

The people of Syria endure daily terrorist attacks from the Lebanese party of terrorism. Sad to see the people of Shia areas being under siege by this notorious terrorist group.

[King]

 

Then why did the president of Lebanon tell hizbullah to withdraw from Syria?

 

 

Hizbullah is not just some militant wing, it actually does have political legitimacy in Lebanon, people take Hezbullah backed coalitions more seriously than their rivals. 

 

In any case, there is no doubt that Hizbullah's reputation (quite respected even among a lot of sunnis/rest of the world) would naturally be damaged due to their involvement in Syria and support of Assad, but this was bound to happen.  The last thing Hizbullah wants is another hostile neighbor, even though that is far from certain and it is true that the democratic ambitions of the Syrian people are being ignored by all sides.

Edited July 11, 2013 by Mutah_King

[YariAzQuran]

A break from the ongoing debate:

 

http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/07/09/syrian-war-hits-beirut/

 

It's a firsthand account of what transpired in the blast and its aftermath. Worth reading.

[Noah-]

 Admit what? No one is defending al qaida, rather you are using al qaida as an example to validate Hizbullah.  Again, read your logic above, you are validating Hizbullah by saying "Salafis do it".  :wacko: Yes, salafis do it hence are hated around the world and by Shias also. So atleast you admit Hizbullah is doing what salafis do.  :wacko:

 

Why you are so lost? Why don't you get a point? YES I AM VALIDATING HIZBULLAH..... And WHO cares if everyone loves Hizbullah or hates the group? I told you with all explanation that Hizbullah is fighting a defensive war in interfering in Syria and the Salafis/Nato and all other gangs are fighting an offensive war in Syria to establish their own agendas and force their way in.... THERE IS A HUGE difference......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you need to inject something into your brain to get the point other users trying to make here...

 

It was an invitation? Wow, that's so nice. And then the Lebanese President invited Hizbullah back. Seems Hizbullah is popular. Must be pre-Ramadhan celebrations. 

And ofcourse you don't care, and those who are going to justify attacking Lebanon because of this won't care either.

 

Yes of course it was an invitation by the Syrian government...without Syrian government approval Hizbullah could go in? And who cares about Lebanese president or all the fake government it carries time to time? Do Salafis, March14 or other group listen to president who all send millions of dollars, men and weapons to FSA/Takfiris? Ohhh I forgot, those groups are not Hizbullah or Shia, they are special or less-special... they are hated... And listen to this logic: Since they are hated around the globe that makes it fine for them to go enter Syria from Lebanon, from Saudi, from Pakistan.... it is enough that they are hated around the globe, but Hizbullah, a lovely group who MUST do all lovely things... [only at the end of the day to win the title of Rafidhi, majoosi, Iranian agents]

 

Hizbullah should always play by the book while other countries/groups...(mainly those approved by the west) can do anything they want.

 

How many times DID YOU or any of those whining crew in Lebanon or in the Sunni world ever approved the actions of Hizbullah lets say 3 yrs ago? Before the Syrian conflict? It is Hizbullah and something is always wrong with the group; it is Shia-Iran and something is always wrong with the country; it is the Syrian government and something must be wrong with it.

 

Majority and minority is garbage? Majority of Syria being Sunnis is garbage? Hundreds and thousands who have protested in several cities for several months is garbage?

 

Basically, anything that doesn't benefit Shias is garbage in your eyes. 

 

Yes, that is right... because (Shais) are garbage in the eyes of those whom I call them garbage... But anyways I was referring to the 'discussion' of majority and minority as garbage talks that will take you nowhere... because from Syrian army to police to the public, there are millions of Sunni Arabs who support Assad, where millions of Sunni Kurds do not like any side and they even made deal with the Syrian government under the table... so to proof the opposition fighters or even protesters are majority is nothing but a garbage talk by those who wage propaganda...

 

Now you or some other weirdoes are telling me that Al-Nusra front or FSA have the backing of majority of Syrians compare to the government in charge? Maybe a million Syrians want Assad go, 20 million of them want him stay and they dislike the terrorists/fsa and likes of them..

 

It's not about you or I, it's about the Syrians. And they can careless what non-Syrian Shias think about Syria.

 

But I don't expect you to understand because you can careless of the hundreds of thousands who want Assad removed. 

 

 

Now you can add millions more on the list of those who dislike Hizbullah now (including many in Lebanon). 

 

Yes it is about the Syrians, I never claimed it was about the Japanese!

And millions want Assad to stay... And millions of them could careless what a few Jihadists coming from Chechnya or Saudi or NATO or Alqaida-of Iraq or a few Syrian Ikhwanists or Salafi think.

Again, love/hate affairs with Hizbullah is just a cheap-shot.. I have been reading your ideas on Hizb way before the Syrian conflict or Hizb interference in Qusayr... And been listening to Takfirs, Arab-Salafi or secular nationalist dogs for years live & on the net... Again, there is always wrong something wrong with Hizb/Iran/Shias, period. Even if they are only involved and busy helping Palestinians and are not speaking of Shias' rights and not firing a single bullet towards others... if there is nothing on the surface, then they come up with a simple word like: Hizb/Iran/Shias have 'hidden' agendas and you should not trust them even if they help you and make you succeed and call you brother in Islam.

 

So sc.....w you and the rest of Salafi/Takfiri/Nationalist-ignorant Arabs and all the haters... they ALWAYS hate... they can hate Hizbullah as much as they want, the RESULT is the same.... It was the stupid Iranian ideas and Hizb followed by many Shias around who slowed down their own programs and agendas and sacrificed their own interests for the sake of keeping a few ignorant Sunnis/Arabs happy...and that never was appreciated or benefited us.

The people of Syria endure daily terrorist attacks from the Lebanese party of terrorism. Sad to see the people of Shia areas being under siege by this notorious terrorist group.

 

Well, the Ikhwanist terrorists in Egypt are done...and the terrorist Hamas is going to lose so badly because of the wrong choices it made (it was a half-dead group anyways).

[Ugly Jinn]

Ugly jinn this is not a popularity contest where we wait for the fire to erupt full blast in lebanon.......which is what will happen if we turn a blind eye. I already told you what the fsa was and is still doing in Lebanon before Hezbollah involvement...it can't be allowed and must be stopped before it enters......also the president doesn't hold absolute power and it was cowardly of him to say that.

 

You dismiss the elected President by the Lebanese yet will justify full power by Hizbullah? 

 

And you keep bringing up FSA. What about the hundreds of thousands of Syrians who have protested for months in several cities to remove Assad? What about them? 

 

Hizbullah is not just some militant wing, it actually does have political legitimacy in Lebanon, people take Hezbullah backed coalitions more seriously than their rivals. 

 

In any case, there is no doubt that Hizbullah's reputation (quite respected even among a lot of sunnis/rest of the world) would naturally be damaged due to their involvement in Syria and support of Assad, but this was bound to happen.  The last thing Hizbullah wants is another hostile neighbor, even though that is far from certain and it is true that the democratic ambitions of the Syrian people are being ignored by all sides.

 

Agree. But the hypocrisy is that Hizbullah claims to be a politically legitimate then violates the Lebanese constitution. Hizbullah has no authority to make attacks on foreign soil. Yet many Shias keep looking the other way which proves they have no principles. The President elect is already called a coward above. Basically, whatever Hizbullah does is justified, they are infallible, whoever criticizes them are labeled as (take your pick from the labels on this thread).

 

Why you are so lost? Why don't you get a point? YES I AM VALIDATING HIZBULLAH.....

 

Dude, reread what you posted...lol You are using al qaida and Salafis as examples to validate Hizbullah, shooting yourself in the foot would be an understatement.  :wacko:

 

You've shown your true colors, which is no surprise considering your same recycled one dimensional inconsistent arguments. 

 

Yes, that is right... because (Shais) are garbage in the eyes of those whom I call them garbage... But anyways I was referring to the 'discussion' of majority and minority as garbage talks that will take you nowhere... because from Syrian army to police to the public, there are millions of Sunni Arabs who support Assad, where millions of Sunni Kurds do not like any side and they even made deal with the Syrian government under the table... so to proof the opposition fighters or even protesters are majority is nothing but a garbage talk by those who wage propaganda...

 

There have been many more protests to remove Assad then protest to support him. Hundreds of thousands all over Syria for months. Not including the millions around around the world. These are facts which you cannot deny. 

 

The only propaganda is you trying to divert the attention from the hundreds of thousands and millions who want to remove Assad to only focusing on what the extremists are doing. 

 

Yes it is about the Syrians, I never claimed it was about the Japanese!

 

No. It's about Shias. You can careless about Syrians, especially the majority Sunni Syrians. 

 

As I said, you have a one dimensional argument, whatever is in favor of Shias is justified, period. 

 

So sc.....w you and the rest of Salafi/Takfiri/Nationalist-ignorant Arabs and all the haters... they ALWAYS hate... they can hate Hizbullah as much as they want, the RESULT is the same.... It was the stupid Iranian ideas and Hizb followed by many Shias around who slowed down their own programs and agendas and sacrificed their own interests for the sake of keeping a few ignorant Sunnis/Arabs happy...and that never was appreciated or benefited us.

 

Yep, those who oppose Assad are "Salafi/Takfiri/Nationalist-ignorant Arabs and all the haters" and those who support Assad are pious righteous principled folks like you. Mashallah  ^_^

Edited July 11, 2013 by Ugly Jinn

[ImAli]

You dismiss the elected President by the Lebanese yet will justify full power by Hizbullah? 

 

And you keep bringing up FSA. What about the hundreds of thousands of Syrians who have protested for months in several cities to remove Assad? What about

You bring up the "attacks" on foreign soil.....how many times must it be brought up to you what the armed Syrian militias were using lebanon for. You see they were not leaving lebanon alone, yet them and people like you want Hezbollah to leave them alone, it doesn't work that way.

What about the millions of Syrians who want Assad? Shall we over look them for the minority?

No one is suggesting full power by Hezbollah either, but you can't blame them when they don't take orders in such a situation. Like I said earlier I don't expect you to understand since you only know what Al Jazeera and such are telling you.

The people of Syria endure daily terrorist attacks from the Lebanese party of terrorism. Sad to see the people of Shia areas being under siege by this notorious terrorist group.

Don't you have some heads to go chop off. As usual you are totally clueless yet insist on putting your useless, brainwashed, uninformed opinion here.

[Noah-]

Dude, reread what you posted...lol You are using al qaida and Salafis as examples to validate Hizbullah, shooting yourself in the foot would be an understatement.  :wacko:

 

You've shown your true colors, which is no surprise considering your same recycled one dimensional inconsistent arguments. 

 

Yes, again, I repeat, I validated Hizbullah using 'the right' groups... but I am not sure why is it so weird according your little brain!!

Yea, true color, this and that.... all the whining...instead of responding to any of the question or statements properly.

 

There have been many more protests to remove Assad then protest to support him. Hundreds of thousands all over Syria for months. Not including the millions around around the world. These are facts which you cannot deny. 

 

The only propaganda is you trying to divert the attention from the hundreds of thousands and millions who want to remove Assad to only focusing on what the extremists are doing. 

 

All you said, probably more than 100 times under this thread is 'millions, thousands and they want to remove Assad' and you were answered repeatedly, but you are either paranoid, or have a very low level of understanding.

 

No. It's about Shias. You can careless about Syrians, especially the majority Sunni Syrians. 

 

As I said, you have a one dimensional argument, whatever is in favor of Shias is justified, period. 

 

Of course it is about Shias as well... where did I even deny it? If you read my replies carefully under this thread, you clearly mentioned that, saving Shias lives before anything else is very important for us, for Hizb, for Iran and all those who care for innocent civilians who are under extreme danger in this conflict... And I gave you all the reasons and everybody in the world know why it is important... even the Syrian opposition leader, Khattab admitted about Alawites/Shia civilians being in great danger in this conflict. But, I have no idea why you keep pointing out to the same nonsense point you think you have over and over again, like we deny that? Of course not. If you think saving Shias' lives are only a justification in 'favor' and etc... then of course be it... It's know to the entire world that we ARE WAY better in our humanity and approach than the entire Salafis, Ikhwanists and the Sunni world... Hizbullah could slaughter many civilians amongst Sunnis under their control in Lebanon/Syria... same with Iraqi Shia armed groups, same with Iranian Islamists... but not once a Sunni mosque is exploded, or their civilians are taken out of their houses, asking for their sectarian ID and then killing them...

 

btw: In Lebanon they don't elect the president... at least read Wikipedia before acting as an expert on Lebanon/Syrian political affairs.

[Martyrdom]

For all the pro-Hizballah members be easy on the anti-Hizballah camp. You have to understand their situation, they have been getting smacked in the face by the syrian army and Hizballah for two years now. Thier just frustrated Hizballah is undefeated and Hizballah keeps outsmarting their enemies. I can understand all the anger and hate against Hizballah. The Party of God does tend to drive the hypocrites and their enemies crazy.