Is It True, That Our Imams Urine Etc. Is Clean?

[Ali-F]

Asalamu alaykum

 

 

I was wondering about something, because I had a dialoge with a sheikh yesterday, and we talked about Sheikh al Waeli. The sheikh posted a video, where Sheikh al Waeli (in trying refuting those who said, that shias prostate on blood), said: In islamic sharia, you can't prostate on najis, and blood is najis, so how can we prostate on blood.

 

- People then raised their voice and said: How can he say, that Imam Hussains blood is najis?

 

The sheikh said, that our imams didn't need to do wudu or ghusl, but because sharit'Allah had obligated it, they should, then I said, that sharitul'Allah says, that blood is najis, then Imam Hussains blood IN shariatulallah is najis i.e like what Sheikh al Waeli said, that a person can't prostate on najis, it is true, because in islam, you can prostate on najis, and Imam Hussain followed the sharia, then his blood would also become najis in these cases in shariah. He sheikh said, no, it is blood of ahl ul bayt. So, I got some questions, who is right here?

 

 

 

And I got another question: Is Ahlulbayts urine etc. clean?

[Jamal Al Hasan]

And I got another question: Is Ahlulbayts urine etc. clean?

 

What? :wacko: :wacko:

[Your-Best-Friend]

Quraanic Ayat is enough which states that Allaah stay away all najasaat from Ehlul Bayt ASWS.....Thats all!

[Ali-F]

Quraanic Ayat is enough which states that Allaah stay away all najasaat from Ehlul Bayt ASWS.....Thats all!

 

 

Yes sins, but we are talking about the urine and their defecation. The sheikh said, that it was pure, but if we look in shariatul islam, it isn't. So, it is the same with the blood and turbah, right?

[Mousa54321]

It is a wide perception among Sunnis that Shias find their Imams urine and defecation pure and "blessed".

I would be interested in knowing whether such perception is true.

 

Thanks for the question.

[Your-Best-Friend]

Yes sins, but we are talking about the urine and their defecation. The sheikh said, that it was pure, but if we look in shariatul islam, it isn't. So, it is the same with the blood and turbah, right?

 

The Ayat clearly says NAJASAAT, not only SINS.....

[Ali-F]

The Ayat clearly says NAJASAAT, not only SINS.....

 

 

You don't understand, what I am trying to say, in all due to respect.

[Abdul Qaim]

The Ayat clearly says NAJASAAT, not only SINS.....

 

Oh dear ...

It is a wide perception among Sunnis that Shias find their Imams urine and defecation pure and "blessed".

I would be interested in knowing whether such perception is true.

 

Thanks for the question.

 

There are those who would accuse me of ghuluww regarding some of my beliefs, but believing the Ahl al-Bayt's (as) excreta as tahir or tabarruk is not one of them. You have to draw the line somewhere. Their essence is noor, but their earthly bodies are just like ours, 

[IbnSohan]

there are a number of hadiths that may hint to these conclusions but i've not studied the subject thoroughly. I am not sure about what shykh wa'ily was about, the blood of Imam Husain or the blood shed in the ashura by regular shia for the love of Imam husain?

[muhibb-ali]

(Bismillah)

 

(salam)

 

The Ayat clearly says NAJASAAT, not only SINS.....

 

Rightly so..

 

In the following piece of narration Imam Ali Reza (as) gives the followinng reason for sadqah being not permissible for the AhlulBait (as)..

 

"Not only are they excluded from it, it is unlawful for them to use it because it is the dirt and the remainder of peoples properties. And the family of the Prophet are purified from any uncleanliness. And when Allah purified them with a thorough purification, He allowed them to have that which He allows Himself to have, and He forbade them to have that which He forbids Himself to have."

 

For the complete narration and source: http://www.marefateahlebait.com/know-the-ahlul-bait/ahlebait-as-different-from-the-entire-nation

 

The above narration does seem to indicate that the scope of the verse of purity could be much wider than whats its understood to be..

 

Oh dear ...

 

There are those who would accuse me of ghuluww regarding some of my beliefs, but believing the Ahl al-Bayt's (as) excreta as tahir or tabarruk is not one of them. You have to draw the line somewhere. Their essence is noor, but their earthly bodies are just like ours, 

 

There are narrations which indicate that their earthly bodies are also not like ours:

 

From the narration in which Imam Reza (as) details out the signs of the Imam (as):

 

 يُولَدُ مَخْتُوناً وَ يَكُونُ مُطَهَّراً وَ يَرَى مِنْ خَلْفِهِ كَمَا يَرَى مِنْ بَيْنِ يَدَيْهِ وَ لَا يَكُونُ لَهُ ظِلٌّ

وَ لَا يُرَى لَهُ بَوْلٌ وَ لَا غَائِطٌ لِأَنَّ اللَّهَ عَزَّ وَ جَلَّ قَدْ وَكَّلَ الْأَرْضَ بِابْتِلَاعِ مَا يَخْرُجُ مِنْهُ وَ تَكُونُ رَائِحَتُهُ أَطْيَبَ مِنْ رَائِحَةِ الْمِسْكِ

 

"Imam is born circumcised and is pure and sees from behind just as he can see from the front. And does not have a shadow."

"And their urine and excreta are not seen, because Allah (AZ) has authorized the earth to swallow what comes out from Them. And its smell is more Pure then the smell of Musk."

 

Complete narration: http://www.marefateahlebait.com/know-the-ahlul-bait/signs-of-imam-as

 

Another narration which indicates that the matters related to the earthly bodies of the Imam's (as) are different from normal Human beings. 

 

إكمال الدين: بهذا الاسناد عن محمد بن عثمان العمري قدس الله روحه أنه قال: ولد السيد (ع) مختونا وسمعت حكيمة تقول: لم ير بامه دم في نفاسها وهذا سبيل امهات الائمة صلوات الله عليهم

 

Through the same chain of narration from Muhammad Ibn ‘Othmān al-‘Amari (a.s) saying, “The Master was born circumcised and I heard Lady Hakīma say, ‘No blood was seen in her mother at his birth.’ This is the manner of the mothers of the Imams, Divine bliss be for them.

 

[source: Kamal Ad Deen , Sheikh Sadooq, Chapter. 42, Hadees. 14, Pg. 433]

 

http://www.marefateahlebait.com/know-the-ahlul-bait/birth-of-the-imam-s-as

[Ali-F]

there are a number of hadiths that may hint to these conclusions but i've not studied the subject thoroughly. I am not sure about what shykh wa'ily was about, the blood of Imam Husain or the blood shed in the ashura by regular shia for the love of Imam husain?

 

Sheikh al Waeli was refuting those who said that shia prostate on blood from Imam Hussain as,  and he said, that in islamic law you can't pray on blood, because blood is najis, and people said "How come he say, that Imam Hussain blood is najis"

 

And I am thinking like: Sheikh al Waeli is maybe right, because in sharitul'Allah you can't prostate under blood, and Imam Hussain as followd sharitul'llah - but you can see the video here, where he say it comes in the start: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYx8tXYR6Nw

 

 

 

 

(bismillah)

 

(salam)

 

 

Rightly so..

 

In the following piece of narration Imam Ali Reza (as) gives the followinng reason for sadqah being not permissible for the AhlulBait (as)..

 

"Not only are they excluded from it, it is unlawful for them to use it because it is the dirt and the remainder of peoples properties. And the family of the Prophet are purified from any uncleanliness. And when Allah purified them with a thorough purification, He allowed them to have that which He allows Himself to have, and He forbade them to have that which He forbids Himself to have."

 

For the complete narration and source: http://www.marefateahlebait.com/know-the-ahlul-bait/ahlebait-as-different-from-the-entire-nation

 

The above narration does seem to indicate that the scope of the verse of purity could be much wider than whats its understood to be..

 

 

There are narrations which indicate that their earthly bodies are also not like ours:

 

From the narration in which Imam Reza (as) details out the signs of the Imam (as):

 

 يُولَدُ مَخْتُوناً وَ يَكُونُ مُطَهَّراً وَ يَرَى مِنْ خَلْفِهِ كَمَا يَرَى مِنْ بَيْنِ يَدَيْهِ وَ لَا يَكُونُ لَهُ ظِلٌّ

وَ لَا يُرَى لَهُ بَوْلٌ وَ لَا غَائِطٌ لِأَنَّ اللَّهَ عَزَّ وَ جَلَّ قَدْ وَكَّلَ الْأَرْضَ بِابْتِلَاعِ مَا يَخْرُجُ مِنْهُ وَ تَكُونُ رَائِحَتُهُ أَطْيَبَ مِنْ رَائِحَةِ الْمِسْكِ

 

"Imam is born circumcised and is pure and sees from behind just as he can see from the front. And does not have a shadow."

"And their urine and excreta are not seen, because Allah (AZ) has authorized the earth to swallow what comes out from Them. And its smell is more Pure then the smell of Musk."

 

Complete narration: http://www.marefateahlebait.com/know-the-ahlul-bait/signs-of-imam-as

 

Another narration which indicates that the matters related to the earthly bodies of the Imam's (as) are different from normal Human beings. 

 

إكمال الدين: بهذا الاسناد عن محمد بن عثمان العمري قدس الله روحه أنه قال: ولد السيد (ع) مختونا وسمعت حكيمة تقول: لم ير بامه دم في نفاسها وهذا سبيل امهات الائمة صلوات الله عليهم

 

Through the same chain of narration from Muhammad Ibn ‘Othmān al-‘Amari (a.s) saying, “The Master was born circumcised and I heard Lady Hakīma say, ‘No blood was seen in her mother at his birth.’ This is the manner of the mothers of the Imams, Divine bliss be for them.

 

[source: Kamal Ad Deen , Sheikh Sadooq, Chapter. 42, Hadees. 14, Pg. 433]

 

http://www.marefateahlebait.com/know-the-ahlul-bait/birth-of-the-imam-s-as

 

 

Okay, what is our ulamas opinion? Yes, the earth swallows it, but do they urine etc. like us? Yes, but their urine is clean, but in shariat'ulAllah, urine is unclean, so if they urinated, they must wash them, because they follow the shariah of Allah, is this true?

[IbnSohan]

Almawada TV is .... anyways.....

 

shykh wa'ili is correct, in our shari'ah prostrating on blood is not in our fiqh. But this is one thing and the blood of imam being tahir is another thing.

 

 

there are many tahir things that we do not prostrate on. this is one subject to study in the field of fiqh, on the other hand, the issue of the tahara of the body excretions of the ma'soumin is a subject to study in the aqidah (not the aqidah that is essential to believe in).

[Ali-F]

Almawada TV is .... anyways.....

 

shykh wa'ili is correct, in our shari'ah prostrating on blood is not in our fiqh. But this is one thing and the blood of imam being tahir is another thing.

 

 

there are many tahir things that we do not prostrate on. this is one subject to study in the field of fiqh, on the other hand, the issue of the tahara of the body excretions of the ma'soumin is a subject to study in the aqidah (not the aqidah that is essential to believe in).

 

 

Sheikh al waeli didn't btw. say "Imam Hussain as blood is NAJIS" no he said that prostating on blood is not allowed (people raised their voices and said "how can he say that Imam Hussains blood is najis", I think, Sheikh Waeli is right, because if you putted Imam Hussains blood in a turbah, the blood is a blessing ofc. but can I prostate on that turbah - shariatullah say: No you can't prostate on blood..That doesn't mean that Imam Hussains blood is najis in that sense, do you know?

[guest022017b]

without alarming anyone i can say quiet comfortably that they did not pass any of the bodily things mentioned, there is MANY reports of people who DO NOT EAT and have overcome EATING and ALSO do not pass any stool or urine and here is a youtube clip about it, this man has claimed to have not EAT or DRANK for 70 years , and Scientists took him under observation and you can watch the news report below

i am certain the Ahlul bayt where in this category as well

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGF7EY2Ucm8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMLFLhw3UGs

0:57 where the doctors who studied this man clearly state that "HE HAS NOT PASSED A DROP OF URINE OR STOOL"

so it is clear that if any person can achieve this, that the Ahlul Bayt probably also had this characteristic 

[wayfarer.]

^  :mellow:

[ImAli]

What? :wacko: :wacko:

 

Oh how did I miss this thread 

 

[Gypsy]

without alarming anyone i can say quiet comfortably that they did not pass any of the bodily things mentioned, there is MANY reports of people who DO NOT EAT and have overcome EATING and ALSO do not pass any stool or urine and here is a youtube clip about it, this man has claimed to have not EAT or DRANK for 70 years , and Scientists took him under observation and you can watch the news report below

i am certain the Ahlul bayt where in this category as well

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGF7EY2Ucm8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMLFLhw3UGs

0:57 where the doctors who studied this man clearly state that "HE HAS NOT PASSED A DROP OF URINE OR STOOL"

so it is clear that if any person can achieve this, that the Ahlul Bayt probably also had this characteristic 

This is fake http://www.livescience.com/8224-indian-mystic-claims-eat-70-years.html

 

 

 

The claim that people can live without food or water is called inedia, and is actually somewhat of a common claim among religious fakirs and godmen of India. Unfortunately none of the cases have withstood scientific scrutiny. The human body needs both food and water to function; it's as simple as that.

 

It's easy for anyone to claim that he or she has not had anything to eat or drink for the past few weeks or months (or years). But unless the person has been carefully and continuously watched during that time, it's impossible to prove the assertion true.

 

Several people who have claimed to survive without food or water were later caught eating and drinking. It can take only a few seconds to eat something, and other than in specific areas such as prisons, conducting a close around-the-clock surveillance on a person is not easy. Often the person will ask for privacy to sleep or go to the bathroom (which is suspicious in its own right) — and then snack surreptitiously. One well-known breatharian advocate in the 1980s, a man named Wiley Brooks, claimed he did not eat yet was caught consuming junk food.

 

This is not the first time that Jani has made this claim. He was examined in 2003 for about a week, during which time, he apparently did not eat or exercise — but he did lose weight. If Jani's abilities are real, it seems odd that he would lose weight during the time that his food intake was being monitored. If he truly gets all the sustenance he needs from air and meditation, there's no reason he would lose weight when he doesn't eat.

 

Edited July 7, 2013 by Gypsy

[guest022017b]

This is fake http://www.livescience.com/8224-indian-mystic-claims-eat-70-years.html

why is it fake? because some scientist said it?

there is no argument or proof in their claims, they are just merely hard to accept that there is a soul and God's intervention in it

just saying here is an article which says its fake is not proof that it is not fake

the problem with people is that they have limited their beliefs to what their bodies command them, and they cannot go or think outside of the box, and when somebody achieves something they cant and wont accept it because it questions their own integrity and they cannot accept to be lower then somebody else, their ego dictates 

people are so ignorant and oblivious and the only thing they believe in is themselves not God not religion not anything

typical Dunya loving fools who are not any better then animals or worse 

the best example of proving my point, is the recent people who went on hunger strike in the prisons, one in particular nearly went for a year

and furthermore this is not a trait related tot he body, this is the soul which takes this task on and continues to live 

and one last thing, is that Death is not controlled by us, God decides when we will die , so even if a person starves themselves and death is not yet decreed he/she will continue to linger on, despite the many ignorant fools who do not understand why, when their logic and reason and belief and God is science 

[iraqi_shia]

what does the blood have to do with turba?

[ImAli]

You know what is funny (well actually it's pathetic), people are worried about whether or not the urine of our Imams (as) is najis or not.........do you people even realize  what is going on in the world now as you ponder over these things?

Reminds me of this http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?/topic/15520-what-would-you-ask-imam-ali-as/

[Raven]

I bet the wahhabis are using this thread to troll against the Shias they debate with...Laughing like clowns I bet. 

[IbnSohan]

It is not a crime to ask. Wahabis are demented. If they want to troll they will troll even if it takes them to degrade the prophet and they had done so in the past.

 

Shia brothers should be welcomed to ask questions, and efforts should be made to answer them or link them to useful page.

[abdulghani1213]

Asalamu alaykum

 

 

I was wondering about something, because I had a dialoge with a sheikh yesterday, and we talked about Sheikh al Waeli. The sheikh posted a video, where Sheikh al Waeli (in trying refuting those who said, that shias prostate on blood), said: In islamic sharia, you can't prostate on najis, and blood is najis, so how can we prostate on blood.

 

- People then raised their voice and said: How can he say, that Imam Hussains blood is najis?

 

The sheikh said, that our imams didn't need to do wudu or ghusl, but because sharit'Allah had obligated it, they should, then I said, that sharitul'Allah says, that blood is najis, then Imam Hussains blood IN shariatulallah is najis i.e like what Sheikh al Waeli said, that a person can't prostate on najis, it is true, because in islam, you can prostate on najis, and Imam Hussain followed the sharia, then his blood would also become najis in these cases in shariah. He sheikh said, no, it is blood of ahl ul bayt. So, I got some questions, who is right here?

 

 

 

And I got another question: Is Ahlulbayts urine etc. clean?

Salamun alaykum,

It is worth noting that we prostate on the turbat of karbala and not on BLOOD. The turbat is formed after the transformation (inteqaal) of the blood of Imam Hussain (as) with the soil of karbala. And as per the sharia'h some things become paak (clean) after transformation, for example say an unclean piece of wood becomes paak after it is burnt and the coal formed is paak and can be used to clean one's teeth.

Similar case is with the turbat of karbala.

 

And as far as the issue of urine being paak is concerned I would first ask my sunning brothers if the urine etc of the Holy Prophet was paak or not? Because in qur'an 33:33 holy prophet was the subject even before the imams.

 

If you say it was paak then those of imams is also paak..........If u say it is unclean then why did qur'an mention about absolute cleanliness?

 

Hoping for a dashing reply from all non-shias!

 

Wassalam.

 

Abdul ghani siddiqi 

[siraatoaliyinhaqqun]

If the Sunnis read their sources they will find.

Rasool Allah saww's finger nails after cutting were reciting Qur'an when kept in an almara by his wife umm salama and noor was coming out from them.

Ayesha also reported smelling musk when he saww left the toilet.

There are many other things which are also present in history of tabari.

[kadhim]

What the?!?! Where y'all come up with these topics?

[Abdul Qaim]

What the?!?! Where y'all come up with these topics?

 

Allahu a'lam. Does it really affect our lives either way? Who sits up thinking of these subjects, anyway?

 

Btw, if the Ahl al-Bayt's (as) excreta is taahir, are there any recorded instances of people consuming it for barakah? After all, if it's taahir, there shouldn't be any problem - right? Oh, did the Ahl al-Bayt (as) perform wudhu after going to the toilet or passing wind? Did they perform ghusl Janaabah ? If their excreta and secretions were taahir, then there would be no need, one would think.

[The Green Knight]

This is the sad level of our ma'rifah. We don't understand and contest the properties of their excreta, even, yet we're all mujtahids and experts on everything.

 

And this is how our brains work. Oh how interesting, Shia worship turbah, thanks for the thread. Refusing to understand. Then, similarly, some kafir will say that we prostrate before a black little house in ka'ba. The spread of this brain death disease is whats causing the zombie apocalypse in Syria, Iraq and other places. Such outbreak occurred with the crusades. Such brain death is called zealotry by other zombies.

 

And then people wonder why Muslims haven't progressed or evolved. How can we when our efforts are in the wrong direction and our intentions sinister.

[abdulghani1213]

This is the sad level of our ma'rifah. We don't understand and contest the properties of their excreta, even, yet we're all mujtahids and experts on everything.

 

And this is how our brains work. Oh how interesting, Shia worship turbah, thanks for the thread. Refusing to understand. Then, similarly, some kafir will say that we prostrate before a black little house in ka'ba. The spread of this brain death disease is whats causing the zombie apocalypse in Syria, Iraq and other places. Such outbreak occurred with the crusades. Such brain death is called zealotry by other zombies.

 

And then people wonder why Muslims haven't progressed or evolved. How can we when our efforts are in the wrong direction and our intentions sinister.

Brother,

Muslims on this Site have stooped down even to the extent of disrespecting the holy kaaba.

Last year someone asked "WHY DO WE WORSHIP A LANDMARK?"

 

May Allah guide them!

 

Well, it seems all non-shias went into exile from shiachat when I questioned about the urine of Holy Prophet being paak. I am waiting for the reply.

 

 

 

Abdul Ghani Siddiqi 

Edited July 9, 2013 by abdulghani1213

[Your-Best-Friend]

Seems our Marifat is gone, that is why such bloody topics are here (admin/mod is allowed it) and people are sharing their non-sensed views.

 

Only few have Marifat here who gave good answers.

[The Green Knight]

Brother,

Muslims on this Site have stooped down even to the extent of disrespecting the holy kaaba.

Last year someone asked "WHY DO WE WORSHIP A LANDMARK?"

 

May Allah guide them!

 

Well, it seems all non-shias went into exile from shiachat when I questioned about the urine of Holy Prophet being paak. I am waiting for the reply.

 

 

 

Abdul Ghani Siddiqi 

^ Why does his urine matter? Have you, per chance, understood everything else about him and what he taught us?

 

You people realize that when Baghdad was attacked by Ghenghis Khan, the hot topic of ongoing debate between "'ulema" was whether the Buraaq's meat is halal or not. And then days later there were towers of the skulls that thought of that identically frivolous topic in the town center.

Edited July 9, 2013 by Darth Vader

[Abdul Qaim]

No, my views on the Ahl al-Bayt (as) would be considered ghuluww by many people here, as I consider their essence to be the NoorAllah that was pre-existent before creation.

 

What really irks me, however, are Shi'ah - almost invariably from one part of the world - who espouse the most extreme views and who bring Deen al-Haqq into disrepute. I think some people here have forgotten the words of Imam as-Sadiq (as), "Nine of ten parts of my faith is taqiyyah.".Instead, we have armchair 'urafa who suffer from an inability to control their typing fingers under any circumstances.

 

With the blessed Shahri Ramadan about to begin, we ought to not forget that one of the batini ta'weel of siyaam/fasting is not to promulgate 'ilm to those who don't deserve it, or aren't ready for it. This is a public forum which is not restricted to 'awaam. You may want to think twice before rushing in to make a show of your ma'rifah. You may want to contemplate that some of those whom you consider muqassireen are actually practicing their faith as as-Sadiq (as) himself recommended ...

^ Why does his urine matter? Have you, per chance, understood everything else about him and what he taught us?

 

You people realize that when Baghdad was attacked by Ghenghis Khan, the hot topic of ongoing debate between "'ulema" was whether the Buraaq's meat is halal or not. And then days later there were towers of the skulls that thought of that identically frivolous topic in the town center.

 

Ahsant ...

Edited July 9, 2013 by Abdul Qaim

[abdulghani1213]

No, my views on the Ahl al-Bayt (as) would be considered ghuluww by many people here, as I consider their essence to be the NoorAllah that was pre-existent before creation.

 

What really irks me, however, are Shi'ah - almost invariably from one part of the world - who espouse the most extreme views and who bring Deen al-Haqq into disrepute. I think some people here have forgotten the words of Imam as-Sadiq (as), "Nine of ten parts of my faith is taqiyyah.".Instead, we have armchair 'urafa who suffer from an inability to control their typing fingers under any circumstances.

 

With the blessed Shahri Ramadan about to begin, we ought to not forget that one of the batini ta'weel of siyaam/fasting is not to promulgate 'ilm to those who don't deserve it, or aren't ready for it. This is a public forum which is not restricted to 'awaam. You may want to think twice before rushing in to make a show of your ma'rifah. You may want to contemplate that some of those whom you consider muqassireen are actually practicing their faith as as-Sadiq (as) himself recommended ...

 

Ahsant ...

Totally agreed!!!!

 

 May Allah be our guide! 

 

Wassalam 

 

Abdul Ghani Siddiqi 

[phoenix]

Naser Makarem Shirazi says the riwayat about the urine and faeces of ma`Sumeen Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã being Tahir are not found in mu`tabar books, and they are like other human beings in this matter. That is what it says in the following (Urdu):

 

کیا آئمہ معصومیں کا پیشاب یا پخانہ پاک ہے؟ یہ سوال اس وجہ سے پوچھہ رہا ہوں کیونکہ وھابی یہ پروپیگنڈا کر رہے تھے کے شیعوں کی کتابوں مین روایات ہیں کے انکے آئمہ کا پیشاب و پخانہ پاک ہے، کیا ایسی روایات ہماری کتب میں موجود ہیں اگر ہیں تو کیا وہ سند اور متن کے لحاظ سے صحیح ہیںِ؟

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

اندراج نمبر: 37_02_02_92

:: سلام و تحیت کے ساتھ ؛

پاسخ :

یہ روایت ہماری معتبر کتابوں میں موجود نہیں ہے اور ائمہ معصومین علیہم السلام اس معاملہ میں دوسرے تمام انسانوں کی مانند ہیں۔

ہمیشہ کامیاب و کامران

دفتر آيت الله العظمی مکارم شيرازی: / استفتائات

 

 

Jawad Tabrizi refused to answer the question saying that it's best to refrain from the matter and it should be returned to the Imam (Arabic below):

 

هل اعتقاد المرء بطهارةالمعصوم من الرجس يشمل ضرورة الاعتقادبطهارة دمه و مدفوعاته؟ و ما رأيكم الشريف في ذلك؟ هل دم المعصوم و مدفوعاته طاهرين أم لا؟
ایک تفصیلی جواب کے بعد آخری نظر فرماتے ہیں و كيف ما كان فإنّ الاعتقاد بطهارة دم الإمام أو المعصوم عليه السّلام ليس من أُصول الدين و لا من ضروريات المذهب،فيكون الأُولى لمن تردّد في ذلك إيكاله إلى الإمام عليه السّلام، و اللَّه العالم.
الأنوار الإلهية رسالة فى لبس السواد 201،202

 

 

Btw, if the Ahl al-Bayt's (as) excreta is taahir, are there any recorded instances of people consuming it for barakah? After all, if it's taahir, there shouldn't be any problem - right?

So are you trying to say that everything Tahir is thus Halal for consumption? Doesn't seem all that funny when the satire falls flat, eh?

 

 

Did they perform ghusl Janaabah ?

I think it would be a very valid conjecture on the part of the people that the ma`sumeen (as) did not require a ghusl Janabah and were not rendered ritually impure, given the incident of Sadd al-Abwab to the masjid.

Edited July 9, 2013 by phoenix

[Abdul Qaim]

 

So are you trying to say that everything Tahir is thus Halal for consumption? Doesn't seem all that funny when the satire falls flat, eh?

 

 

 

Actually, it was never meant to be funny in the first place, but rather to reflect the inane level of debate. As if the matter was worthy of our attention in the first place, eh?

 

Btw, the OP is notorious for starting threads like this. Shukran, brother  :rolleyes: .

 

I think it would be a very valid conjecture on the part of the people that the ma`sumeen (as) did not require a ghusl Janabah and were not rendered ritually impure, given the incident of Sadd al-Abwab to the masjid.

 

Why are you even conjecturing? Is not their maqaam already so elevated that debating whether their najaasah is actually taahir irrelevant? 

Jawad Tabrizi refused to answer the question saying that it's best to refrain from the matter and it should be returned to the Imam (Arabic below):

 

هل اعتقاد المرء بطهارةالمعصوم من الرجس يشمل ضرورة الاعتقادبطهارة دمه و مدفوعاته؟ و ما رأيكم الشريف في ذلك؟ هل دم المعصوم و مدفوعاته طاهرين أم لا؟

ایک تفصیلی جواب کے بعد آخری نظر فرماتے ہیں و كيف ما كان فإنّ الاعتقاد بطهارة دم الإمام أو المعصوم عليه السّلام ليس من أُصول الدين و لا من ضروريات المذهب،فيكون الأُولى لمن تردّد في ذلك إيكاله إلى الإمام عليه السّلام، و اللَّه العالم.

الأنوار الإلهية رسالة فى لبس السواد 201،202

 

 

A more than reasonable reply...

[Ali-F]

Almawada TV is .... anyways.....

 

shykh wa'ili is correct, in our shari'ah prostrating on blood is not in our fiqh. But this is one thing and the blood of imam being tahir is another thing.

 

 

there are many tahir things that we do not prostrate on. this is one subject to study in the field of fiqh, on the other hand, the issue of the tahara of the body excretions of the ma'soumin is a subject to study in the aqidah (not the aqidah that is essential to believe in).

 

 

 

Which thing is essential to belive in ? Ahsant.

 

 

What the?!?! Where y'all come up with these topics?

 

 

What? Is it haram? It is a question, which I want an answer on - try to chill a bit.