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Is Fatima Zehra The Lady Of Fatima Of Portugal?

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The miracle was evidenced by more than 70,000 people in Portugal but the lady spoke to only 3 shepard children and gave them some prophesies, which are there in this video.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyC73Zn9fPw

 

After doing some research I found the lady addressed herseff as Fatima Zehra (as), and it was none other than the name of Fatima Zehra (as) the daughter of Prophet (pbuh). No one else in any scriptures bears this name.

 

here is what a christian has to say.

 

 
Full Question What is the meaning of the name “Fatima”? I read that Mohammed, founder of Islam, named his daughter Fatima.
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The name Fatima means "the shining one" and is indeed the name of Mohammed’s favorite daughter, Fatima Zahra. In some Muslim circles, Fatima Zahra is in some ways considered a Muslim counterpart to Mary, Mother of Jesus, as the ideal model for all women. She is revered for her purity and for her motherhood of a Muslim martyr.

How appropriate then that the Blessed Virgin Mary chose to appear in 1917 in Fatima, a town in Portugal dubbed such for a namesake of Fatima Zahra who converted from Islam to Christianity, and that the miracle given to confirm Mary’s appearances there was a miracle involving the sun. In his book on the Blessed Virgin entitled The World’s First Love, Fulton Sheen speculated that just as Judith, Esther, and other heroic women of the Old Testament were pre-Christian types of Mary, Fatima Zahra may well have been a post-Christian type of Mary.

 

 

Did Fatima (as) appear in Portugal and is known as lady of Fatima to Christians?

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Of course not. Read the full description of what happened.

 

Then who is it?  The name was divine, the lady was divine, the message was divine (to turn towards God and forbid evil). Even sister Lucia who 1 of the 3 who witnessed her changed her lifestyled and dressed modestly even covering her hair. So who can that divine lady be?

Yeah sounds like complete nonsense. 

More miracles in the Church: http://berto-meister.blogspot.com.au/2010/08/st-thomas-aquinas-and-miracle-of.html

The miracle was not evidenced by 1 person but 70,000 all of the village in portugal. But the message was to turn to God and forbid evil, so is it not a miracle.

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It was either a hallucination, a fabrication, or actually was the Virgin Mary. Why would Allah allow Sayyida Fatima to appear to 3 Catholic children, who go on to promote Catholic beliefs? Did you even read what she alledgedly told the children? There is absolutely nothing Islamic about it at all.

You are reading way too much into the fact that the supposed apparition came in a town called Fatima.

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Then who is it?  The name was divine, the lady was divine, the message was divine (to turn towards God and forbid evil). Even sister Lucia who 1 of the 3 who witnessed her changed her lifestyled and dressed modestly even covering her hair. So who can that divine lady be?

The miracle was not evidenced by 1 person but 70,000 all of the village in portugal. But the message was to turn to God and forbid evil, so is it not a miracle.

Yeah Im just reading about it now. The idea that Sayed Fatima Zahra (as) would reappear like this is dodgy let alone the rationale that it was Maryam (as) reincarnate. Also why would Fatima/Maryam (as) promote conversion from Islam to Christianity? I dont see how your buying into this. What are your other sources? 

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It was either a hallucination, a fabrication, or actually was the Virgin Mary. Why would Allah allow Sayyida Fatima to appear to 3 Catholic children, who go on to promote Catholic beliefs? Did you even read what she alledgedly told the children? There is absolutely nothing Islamic about it at all.

You are reading way too much into the fact that the supposed apparition came in a town called Fatima.

 

Please tell me about the name of Fatima, from where it is derived.  I even saw a video in Iran in Farsi where the lady addresses herself as given in the link above of how the catholic says.

 

In between, I am not trying to raise the status of Fatima (as), she is already the leader of all women of paradise as agreed by both sunni and Shia sources. I am just telling how the name Fatima came into picture all of a sudden in 1917 and most important is the message. that was divine to turn to God.

 

Does that not make it a miracle.

Yeah Im just reading about it now. Why would Sayed Fatima Zahra (as) promote conversion from Islam to Christianity? I dont see how your buying into this. What are your other sources? 

 

What Christianity, the message is of Islam too that is to turn to God and forbid the evil. There are many sources you can search it for yourself, besides being witnessed by 70,000 people is not a joke or lie.

Besides HaidarHussain has been called Wahabi by many here in the forum because of his Salafist belief, can i have views of others.

Yeah Im just reading about it now. The idea that Sayed Fatima Zahra (as) would reappear like this is dodgy let alone the rationale that it was Maryam (as) reincarnate. Also why would Fatima/Maryam (as) promote conversion from Islam to Christianity? I dont see how your buying into this. What are your other sources? 

 

Firstly, the lady did not say that she was Mary. She addressed herself as Fatima, and secondly she did not say Jesus is the son of God, so what is your point?

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Besides HaidarHussain has been called Wahabi by many here in the forum because of his Salafist belief, can i have views of others.

 

 

There's nothing 'salafist' about his beliefs in so far as he is at least someone who wants to follow Islam as taught by the Prophet (pbuh) and the Imams (as).  Only people who want to follow a lesser authentic but more modern form call him a salafi, wahabi and what not.

 

As for the topic, the only thing that relates this incident to Fatima (as) is the name.  I'm sure there are plenty of Muslims, shias or otherwise, who perhaps may have benefited more from seeing her then three catholic children.

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There's nothing 'salafist' about his beliefs in so far as he is at least someone who wants to follow Islam as taught by the Prophet (pbuh) and the Imams (as).  Only people who want to follow a lesser authentic but more modern form call him a salafi, wahabi and what not.

 

As for the topic, the only thing that relates this incident to Fatima (as) is the name.  I'm sure there are plenty of Muslims, shias or otherwise, who perhaps may have benifited more from seeing her than three catholic children.

 

Yeah that's why many call HaidarHussain belief as Wahabi, but leaving that aside and coming to topic.

 

Why no one is addressing that how come the lady in vision addressed herself as Fatima (as) all of a sudden in 1917, and what is the source of the name of Fatima (as).

 

Can anyone address this and not be off topic please.

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Why no one is addressing that how come the lady in vision addressed herself as Fatima (as) all of a sudden in 1917, and what is the source of the name of Fatima (as).

 

Can anyone address this and not be off topic please.

You're looking too much into this. 

 

1. She didn't call herself Fatima, but others have titled her "Our Lady of Fatima", "Our Lady of the Rosary of Fatima" etc.  Simply because she appeared in a place called Fatima.

2. The place was indeed called Fatima and the links below give some background.

 

http://www.portugal.com/fatima/

http://www.holymary.info/howfatimacametobe.html

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You're looking too much into this. 

 

1. She didn't call herself Fatima, but others have titled her "Our Lady of Fatima", "Our Lady of the Rosary of Fatima" etc.  Simply because she appeared in a place called Fatima.

2. The place was indeed called Fatima and the links below give some background.

 

http://www.portugal.com/fatima/

http://www.holymary.info/howfatimacametobe.html

 

You obviously did not see the video, check at what 1.17 is with the significance of lady of Fatima, and Inshallah I will try getting a video in which the lady says she is Fatima, which I saw in Farsi.

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It may of been another lady called fadma, but it may also might be fadmat al zahra (as), you can teach/help people from every relgion.

@ vigilare, how do you know that the muslims would of benefited more by seeing her. Look at history muslims did more harm to her then non muslims.

Everything is possible, but their are some question marks...

Um al banini is also called fadma, I dont know if thats relevent to the question.

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The miracle was evidenced by more than 70,000 people in Portugal but the lady spoke to only 3 shepard children and gave them some prophesies, which are there in this video.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyC73Zn9fPw

 

After doing some research I found the lady addressed herseff as Fatima Zehra (as), and it was none other than the name of Fatima Zehra (as) the daughter of Prophet (pbuh). No one else in any scriptures bears this name.

 

here is what a christian has to say.

 

 

Did Fatima (as) appear in Portugal and is known as lady of Fatima to Christians?

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Who knows what thoughts lurk in people's minds or why the think whatever they think. Maybe these children were of families which had some generations before been Andaluz/Iberian Peninsula Muslims.

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there was a user here who had some interesting theories.

 

to summarise, his research showed that the knights templar were actually most likely 12er shia in major taqiyya, in fact according to the official bloodline of their founder, he was actually a hassani sayed. when i have time i will dig out his work. its quite interesting.

 

this is important because they were responsible for the creation and naming of the place called fatima, and if i remember correctly nearby to the village is a big templar church or site or something important to them.

 

i doubt that bibi paak (sa) appeared to a few catholic kids and told them how to improve catholicism, but it is interesting to note the history of the place and its links to shiaism.

 

If she *did* appear (i dont believe she did), then whatever she said was twisted.

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there was a user here who had some interesting theories.

 

to summarise, his research showed that the knights templar were actually most likely 12er shia in major taqiyya, in fact according to the official bloodline of their founder, he was actually a hassani sayed. when i have time i will dig out his work. its quite interesting.

 

this is important because they were responsible for the creation and naming of the place called fatima, and if i remember correctly nearby to the village is a big templar church or site or something important to them.

 

i doubt that bibi paak (sa) appeared to a few catholic kids and told them how to improve catholicism, but it is interesting to note the history of the place and its links to shiaism.

 

If she *did* appear (i dont believe she did), then whatever she said was twisted.

wow

 

thats a fascinating point of history trivia

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Yes brother, that members research is spread out over several threads so if you have the time please could you find the others too? it really is quite well researched and referenced. he was certainly thorough.

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Yeah Im just reading about it now. The idea that Sayed Fatima Zahra (as) would reappear like this is dodgy let alone the rationale that it was Maryam (as) reincarnate. Also why would Fatima/Maryam (as) promote conversion from Islam to Christianity? I dont see how your buying into this. What are your other sources? 

 

So, I feel the need to add something.

 

Look up 'The third secret of Fatima'. There's plenty about it online and on youtube.

 

For many years now, the Vatican has kept elements of this miracle hidden in their vaults which they cannot and will not reveal as it will shatter the whole church and it's belief system.

 

Now I'm not saying that the lady who appeared was Lady Fatema Zahra (AS), but considering how pious the witnesses become, the fact that the lady called herself Fatema, and the Vatican appear petrified of the truth to the extent that they have hidden away the evidence, theres a lot of good reasons why many would ask the question.

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So, I feel the need to add something.

 

Look up 'The third secret of Fatima'. There's plenty about it online and on youtube.

 

For many years now, the Vatican has kept elements of this miracle hidden in their vaults which they cannot and will not reveal as it will shatter the whole church and it's belief system.

 

Now I'm not saying that the lady who appeared was Lady Fatema Zahra (as), but considering how pious the witnesses become, the fact that the lady called herself Fatema, and the Vatican appear petrified of the truth to the extent that they have hidden away the evidence, theres a lot of good reasons why many would ask the question.

There are many interesting questions about these visions.

 

For one thing, accounts of what she said to the children were elaborated and changed over time. One cannot take anything from those texts for granted. Much of it was newly produced in the 1930s, whereas the visions took place in 1917. Two of the children died immediately afterwards, and so never were available for later testimonies.

 

Our Lady of Fatima gave a message to the children, which was recited and written down, but has been kept secret for some reason. The Vatican recently released a document, but many have doubts that it is a complete and accurate transcript of the message.

 

I have read that Lucia originally described the Lady as having large dark eyes, and wearing a necklace. This is not the style of Virgin Mary pictures in that region.

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Yes brother, that members research is spread out over several threads so if you have the time please could you find the others too? it really is quite well researched and referenced. he was certainly thorough.

 

ok brother will look into it, and i remember studying this thread thoroughly and his main ideas. of course they could be right, but i started to doubt the holiness of the dome of the rock mosque, which he said is the basis of the church in fatima portugal, because of who built it. an ummayid.

 

one article that kind of turned me off the whole theory was this one:

 

http://www.templemountfaithful.org/Newsletters/2001/5761-11.htm

 

but there are many other points that i remember such as the idea of baphomet being mohamed, the one their enemies said they worshipped. and some other insteresting stuff, like numerology of the dome of the rock etc. also that they didn't destroy it when they occupied it or change it into a church, anyway, it was a while ago and will check if there is more on this in sha Allah

 

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but there are many other points that i remember such as the idea of baphomet being mohamed, the one their enemies said they worshipped. and some other insteresting stuff, like numerology of the dome of the rock etc. ...

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Like the stories about the shrine at Fatima, these are all of interest. It is speculative, and I don't think one can ever be certain. But it is intriguing to learn about, and there are many hidden histories.

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As I said earlier that I have no intention to elevate the position of Fatima Zehra (as), as her position is most high which can be documented in both Sunni and Shia sources as she is the leader of all women in paradise and many other hadiths which glorify her loftiness of being the all time greatest of Women.

 

Why the vision could be Fatima Zehra (as) is for the following reasons.

1. The vision said she is Fatima.

2. She appeared with Rosary (Tasbih), and Tasbih of Fatima (as) is of great significance in Shia Islam.

3. There is documentation that state that she was age 16 or 17, again is the age when she died.

4. The message of turning to Allah or get the wrath or suffer punishment and to pursue education.

5. And last but not least, the vatican keeping it secret for many years, and still they not disclosed the third secret.

 

These all proofs can be documented if you search the youtube or net and some of which have been posted above.

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She proved to be Fatima Zahra , the  daughter of prophet Mohammad due to following facts,

1-three kids did not tell   that lady told her name.She said :Lady from paradise".In christianity,there is not written any where as Mary was a lady from paradise.But years ago Fatima was called "Lady from paradise"" by prophet Mohammad.

2-three kids were uneducated,without religious knowledge.They know the name of Jesus and Mary ,being a christian,so speculated it to be Mary.

3-Third secret might be the name of the lady which has never been disclosed truly as of today.

4-Lady appeared in town of Fatima. Resembling with name of Fatima.Mary was never holding a rosary.But Fatima  Zahra was always holding rosary,as a Muslim worship with names of God.

5- Lady told for worship,good acts,sacrifice ,worship which is Islamic teaching.Since Russia was abolishing Islam that time so lady mentioned that Russia must avoid its plan.

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