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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22870776

"The UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR) said at least 60 people died in Hatla on Tuesday.

The attack appeared to be retaliation for a raid on a rebel position by people from the village, it added.

Meanwhile, a government helicopter has reportedly fired three missiles at the northern Lebanese border town of Arsal.

Lebanese security officials said one of the missiles had struck the town centre. One told the AFP news agency several people were wounded.

Arsal is a predominantly Sunni town about 15km (9 miles) from the Syrian border that is home to some 27,000 Syrian refugees.

It is not far from the strategically important Syrian town of Qusair, which was recaptured by the army last week with help from fighters from the Lebanese Shia Islamist movement, Hezbollah......."

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I wonder and suspect if Al Qayda/FSA/thugs is brainwashed to do terrorist action (i.e bombing etc) and behave like a zombie/killing machine (no heart, no brain, no humanity).

Or their basic teaching/ideology/religion is learned by wrong principles.

Or their basic learning through their family which has been destructed mentally/akhlaq.

Or because they have been living as poor (living under standard of human life) family.

Or the mixture of all above ?

Is there any other guess ?

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The BBC claims they were government militants which is false. Yes the Syria government armed them, but they were simple villagers who were armed so they may defend themselves against raids like these given that the army is too stretched out to be able to be everywhere at the same time. These people were civilians with little or not training.

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" On Tuesday, French foreign ministry spokesman Philippe Lalliot said the conflict in Syria was "at a turning point".

"What should we do under these conditions to reinforce the opposition armed forces? We have had these discussions with our partners, with the Americans, the Saudis, the Turks, many others."

"We cannot leave the opposition in the current state," he added. "

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I wonder and suspect if Al Qayda/FSA/thugs is brainwashed to do terrorist action (i.e bombing etc) and behave like a zombie/killing machine (no heart, no brain, no humanity).

Or their basic teaching/ideology/religion is learned by wrong principles.

Or their basic learning through their family which has been destructed mentally/akhlaq.

Or because they have been living as poor (living under standard of human life) family.

Or the mixture of all above ?

Is there any other guess ?

A combo...but you can't really blame it on poverty for all of them because quite a few of them are from the gulf and grew up with a silver spoon.

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RIP to all Hatlas martyrs. Rip to all victims of massacres committed by assad forces which are too numerous to mention. This is no longer a war between shias and sunnis its a war between pigs. Pigs chasing pigs all over Syria dressed up as Muslims.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk...e-east-22870776

"The UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR) said at least 60 people died in Hatla on Tuesday.

The attack appeared to be retaliation for a raid on a rebel position by people from the village, it added.

Meanwhile, a government helicopter has reportedly fired three missiles at the northern Lebanese border town of Arsal.

Lebanese security officials said one of the missiles had struck the town centre. One told the AFP news agency several people were wounded.

Arsal is a predominantly Sunni town about 15km (9 miles) from the Syrian border that is home to some 27,000 Syrian refugees.

It is not far from the strategically important Syrian town of Qusair, which was recaptured by the army last week with help from fighters from the Lebanese Shia Islamist movement, Hezbollah......."

"Rebels have attacked a village in eastern Syria, killing dozens of Shia Muslim residents, most of them pro-government fighters, activists say."

You guys are beyond laughable and pathetic; you mention nothing about the Baathist Assad regime's massacres (Houla and on and on), but mention this report that itself notes the killing was retaliatory by the Syrian revolutionaries (against your "beloved" atheistic Baathist Assad absolute dictatorship) and again appear to have mostly killed pro-regime armed gangsters and goons (like the Assad regime's brutal Alawite Shabiha thugs and criminals). Oh yeah and of course nothing from you guys about Assad violating Lebanese airspace to bomb Sunni villages in Lebanon today http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/06/2013612112942565798.html

Again even Subhi al-Tufayli has noted it is Shi'ite leaders in the region alone who decided to interfere (on Tehran's orders) against the Syrian people and their revolution in an attempt by said Shi'ite leaders (on Iranian orders clearly) to "preserve" the so-called "Shia crescent" (aka the imperialism of the Iranian regime) in the Syrian state which is upwards of 75% Sunni Muslim; al-Tufayli notes it is these Shi'ite leaders who bear all the responsibility for any sectarian strife that spreads beyond Syria's borders https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqxDnllwwXo

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A combo...but you can't really blame it on poverty for all of them because quite a few of them are from the gulf and grew up with a silver spoon.

I am not blaming to seek the black sheep, justification to avoid the punishment, for them.

It might be better to seek the root of cause. Just like a good doctor to see the root of disease, and then cure it.

Is not shiachat is a gathering of Ahlul Bayt (as) lovers (at least), or AhlulBayt descendant (at most) ?

Since I believe, Nabi Muhammad (SAW) and all other messengers and his Ahlul Bayt (as) is a guidance of heart to human being.

So, discussion in this forum should be better to give solution, not just news, provocation, talking ill about others (I am not attacking people in here).

Salam and peace upon you.

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Interestingly, no one is interested to show a reaction on such threads... when the topic was about 'Stop Idolizing Bashar Assad' we saw 100 of replies per hour... Now all those crowds (the allies of Kuffar and nawasib) do not care or feel anything.

So, what are the Syrian Shias options here? To take weapons, invite Hizbullah, seek Iranian/Iraqi support, and fight side by side with the dictatorial government to protect their lives and homes or to step aside and face massacre?

One of my replies under that thread, this is exactly what I meant, http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?/topic/235014349-stop-idolizing-bashar-assad/page__st__250#entry2594145

Edited by Noah-

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If these murderers were truly Muslim and believed they were upholding Muslim ideology, they would not mercilessly kill unarmed innocent civilians (inlcuding women, children and the elderly - no shame!) first and foremost, and they certainly should not be gloating like Shayateen over the death of people, whoever they were. Where's the solidarity and respect, even if this was religious warfare? Nothing more than evil-hearted people (personally I'll never understand how anyone could find it in themselves to kill in the first place)...But these are just murderers who've been given arms.

We must stay strong in the face of adversity, educate, and work for peace...Those who have committed atrocities, I hope will be caught and tried...but either way, Allah SWT will sort everything out in the end.

Rest in peace to the innocent deaths. Allah yir7am7um.

Salaam

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Interestingly, no one is interested to show a reaction on such threads... when the topic was about 'Stop Idolizing Bashar Assad' we saw 100 of replies per hour... Now all those crowds (the allies of Kuffar and nawasib) do not care or feel anything.

So, what are the Syrian Shias options here? To take weapons, invite Hizbullah, seek Iranian/Iraqi support, and fight side by side with the dictatorial government to protect their lives and homes or to step aside and face massacre?

One of my replies under that thread, this is exactly what I meant, http://www.shiachat....50#entry2594145

ya sad though, it seems no one cared.. I thought surly this news/thread would be flaming with posts.

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Very sad, now Shias are being targeted, triggered by Hizbullah, this was what I was worried about. Not a surprise at all, Hizbullah fueled the fire. As I was bombarded by insults and attacks for disagreeing with Hizbullah's decision to attack on Syrian soil, look what happened. It seems people are oblivious to consequences.

Now there's a chance Syria can become another Pakistan. Hopefully not.

But what do I know.

"Radwan Ziadeh, a leading Syrian opposition figure in exile, described the attack on Hatla as a "dangerous development" triggered by Hezbollah's intervention in Syria."

http://www.huffingto...tm_hp_ref=world

Edited by Ugly Jinn

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Very sad, now Shias are being targeted, triggered by Hizbullah. Not a surprise at all, Hizbullah fueled the fire.

This is what I was worried about, but what do I know.

"Radwan Ziadeh, a leading Syrian opposition figure in exile, described the attack on Hatla as a "dangerous development" triggered by Hezbollah's intervention in Syria."

http://www.huffingto...tm_hp_ref=world

What a lot of [Edited Out]. They've been targeting Shi'ah from the beginning. Al-Qusayr is simply their cover ...

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I think Iran, now take a lead in non alignment movement, has a position to send the peace army in Syria.

Indonesia, as far as I know, has send peace army in some turmoil country (through which institution ? i don't know, but I know a soldier is my family).

Edited by myouvial

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"The UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR)

The UK based SOHR is run out of a two-bedroom terraced home in Coventry, UK, by Rami Abdulrahman (or Rami Abdul Rahman, or Rami Abdelrahman), a Syrian Sunni Muslim who also runs a clothes shop.

http://www.liveleak....=00c_1369069241

Edited by Ugly Jinn

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^Not saying it didn't happen but that source is pretty weak. If you can post other sources that would be better.

really!!? Bro your honestly something.... you have doubts that this really didnt happen. How low can you get?

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really!!? Bro your honestly something.... you have doubts that this really didnt happen. How low can you get?

^Not saying it didn't happen but that source is pretty weak. If you can post other sources that would be better.

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What you just stated, implies BBC/NYTimes isnt a good source because some sketch off websie you found says something else, and that your not saying it didnt happen buuuuuuuuuuuuut....it didnt UNTIL you get more proof..

BTW, bbc/ny always write pro rebel articles. They are anti assad.

I would think the video suffices..

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/12/hatla-massacre-shiites_n_3427567.html?utm_hp_ref=world

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/activists-syrian-rebel-attack-kills-60-shiites

Edited by PureEthics

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^Dude, why do you like argue over everything? I just stated it'll be better to post better sources than UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights for the reason I've posted. That's it. I'm not implying anything.

Even PressTV (which you guys hold dearly) is unclear:

Although it is not clear how the London-based opposition rights group obtains its information about events taking place inside Syria and casualty figures"

"Rami Abdul Rahman, founder of the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, however, says the reports are based on phone calls and YouTube videos from Syria while there are no independent sources to confirm the accounts.

http://www.presstv.c...h.8lPZIafn.dpuf

Edited by Ugly Jinn

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^Dude, why do you like argue over everything? I just stated it'll be better to post better sources than UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights for the reason I've posted. That's it. I'm not implying anything.

Even PressTV (which you guys hold dearly) is unclear:

Although it is not clear how the London-based opposition rights group obtains its information about events taking place inside Syria and casualty figures"

"Rami Abdul Rahman, founder of the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, however, says the reports are based on phone calls and YouTube videos from Syria while there are no independent sources to confirm the accounts.

http://www.presstv.c...h.8lPZIafn.dpuf

cause your my argue buddy, and you always argue in a way where you set yourself as always the correct one. Here is the right link though :D

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/06/12/308497/rebels-massacre-60-shia-muslims-in-syria/

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Very sad, now Shias are being targeted, triggered by Hizbullah, this was what I was worried about. Not a surprise at all, Hizbullah fueled the fire. As I was bombarded by insults and attacks for disagreeing with Hizbullah's decision to attack on Syrian soil, look what happened. It seems people are oblivious to consequences.

Now there's a chance Syria can become another Pakistan. Hopefully not.

But what do I know.

"Radwan Ziadeh, a leading Syrian opposition figure in exile, described the attack on Hatla as a "dangerous development" triggered by Hezbollah's intervention in Syria."

http://www.huffingto...tm_hp_ref=world

asking you direct questions is futile since you live in your own little planet so I wonder what excuse they have to spin for the thousand of shia bombed in iraq for the past few years.

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^Be more specific. Who is "they"?

these so called middle East experts who have a justification ready. These are the very same people to accuse others of terrorism when the tables are turned.

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Very sad, now Shias are being targeted, triggered by Hizbullah, this was what I was worried about. Not a surprise at all, Hizbullah fueled the fire. As I was bombarded by insults and attacks for disagreeing with Hizbullah's decision to attack on Syrian soil, look what happened. It seems people are oblivious to consequences.

Now there's a chance Syria can become another Pakistan. Hopefully not.

But what do I know.

"Radwan Ziadeh, a leading Syrian opposition figure in exile, described the attack on Hatla as a "dangerous development" triggered by Hezbollah's intervention in Syria."

http://www.huffingto...tm_hp_ref=world

Yea excuses and excuses....

In Karbala I believe it was Hizbullah who triggered the development..

Salahuddeen was also provoked by Hizbullah, to massacre Shias/Ismailis

The routine bombing and massacre of Shias in Pakistan, Iraq, Afg should also be blamed on Hizbullah,

146 Shias massacred in Syria just after initial protests and takeover of the Syrian opposition 2 yrs ago, do you remember that? How do you want to make any excuse for that to blame Hizbullah? The Shia mosque destruction and buring where you have 10s of videos posted here, how do you link those from few years ago to Hizbullah?

What about we give you a list from century to century, in the last 14 centuries? How many massacres you and your masters in FSA will direct the blames towards Hizbullah?

Did you have anything to add and express your sympathy for the victims instead of speaking off your back?

Edited by Naz_

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Very sad, now Shias are being targeted, triggered by Hizbullah, this was what I was worried about. Not a surprise at all, Hizbullah fueled the fire. As I was bombarded by insults and attacks for disagreeing with Hizbullah's decision to attack on Syrian soil, look what happened. It seems people are oblivious to consequences.

Now there's a chance Syria can become another Pakistan. Hopefully not.

But what do I know.

"Radwan Ziadeh, a leading Syrian opposition figure in exile, described the attack on Hatla as a "dangerous development" triggered by Hezbollah's intervention in Syria."

http://www.huffingto...tm_hp_ref=world

There is no Hezb in Pakistan. Why do these takfiris kill shias here. Why did they kill thousands of Shia Hazaras in Afghanistan.

Are you saying that these takfiris are so retarded to start killing shia civilians including children and women because they suffered defeat at the hands of Hezb. They don't follow Islamic laws, don't have morality. It's more of a reason to not trust them.

Hezb in Syria or not; they would have done the same sooner or later as indicated from their very pronounced religious beliefs, and actions against shias in the past in several other countries.

I have not seen intellectually dishonest people like yourselves.

I am still waiting for you to condemn the takfiri who vowed to fight Rasul (as) in one of the threads on this forum. Have some haya.

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these so called middle East experts who have a justification ready. These are the very same people to accuse others of terrorism when the tables are turned.

Everyone's got their justifications ready, even on this site. regarding bombings in Iraq, it's the fault of Sunni extremists.

Yea excuses and excuses....

In Karbala I believe it was Hizbullah who triggered the development..

Salahuddeen was also provoked by Hizbullah, to massacre Shias/Ismailis

The routine bombing and massacre of Shias in Pakistan, Iraq, Afg should also be blamed on Hizbullah,

146 Shias massacred in Syria just after initial protests and takeover of the Syrian opposition 2 yrs ago, do you remember that? How do you want to make any excuse for that to blame Hizbullah? The Shia mosque destruction and buring where you have 10s of videos posted here, how do you link those from few years ago to Hizbullah?

What about we give you a list from century to century, in the last 14 centuries? How many massacres you and your masters in FSA will direct the blames towards Hizbullah?

There is no Hezb in Pakistan. Why do these takfiris kill shias here. Why did they kill thousands of Shia Hazaras in Afghanistan.

Are you saying that these takfiris are so retarded to start killing shia civilians including children and women because they suffered defeat at the hands of Hezb. They don't follow Islamic laws, don't have morality. It's more of a reason to not trust them.

Hezb in Syria or not; they would have done the same sooner or later as indicated from their very pronounced religious beliefs, and actions against shias in the past in several other countries.

I have not seen intellectually dishonest people like yourselves.

I am still waiting for you to condemn the takfiri who vowed to fight Rasul (as) in one of the threads on this forum. Have some haya.

Karbala example....

Pakistan/Afghanistan example....

Can't stay on topic obviously, every situation is different.

You little Hindu-monafiq hidding behind a false ID covering up for the Salafi Takfiris? And what is your gain?

Hindu, Munafiq? You so enraged? Didn't take your medication today?

You are a prime example of why Shias are hated by many. You are no different than those jahil Sunnis spitting out hatred towards Shias.

Edited by Ugly Jinn

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Very sad, now Shias are being targeted, triggered by Hizbullah, this was what I was worried about. Not a surprise at all, Hizbullah fueled the fire.

shame on you for ignoring the fact that shias were being directly persecuted long before hezb Allah started defending the shias! and before hezb Allah started defending the shrines!

shame shame shame on you!

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