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What is the purposes of having an Imam if we never see or hear from him?

[EDIT to have a question answered you need to ask in the right way, most of what was in this paragraph was polemical]

To me the Zaydi mathaab makes more sense than the Ithna Ashari for this reason alone. Can any of my Muslim brothers from the Twelver mathaab explain this to me?

Edited by Haji 2003

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There is a hadith that states that the presence of the Imam is like the presence of the sun behind the clouds: we cannot physically see it, but we feel it, and benefit from it, and without it, we would all perish at the hands of darkness.

Thus, he is not hiding away as you say, he is in a state of occultation, behind a veil that our eyes cannot see through. He is among us, we just can't see him.

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What is there to ask? EVerything you need has been explained by one of the Imams and can be asked/accessed through research and contacting the Marja

if you have doubts, it has nothing to do with the Imam directly, if you need proof then you need to purify yourself and the proofs will be made available to you directly

this is one of the blessings on not been able to contact the Imam, we ourselves can become miracles and reach a stage wher we can do miracles for others to prove God

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OK if I accept what you say then he is not hiding. But he still ISN'T DOING ANYTHING. So I ask again what's the purpose? Why is he here? I don't get the point if having a leader who doesn't lead

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OK if I accept what you say then he is not hiding. But he still ISN'T DOING ANYTHING. So I ask again what's the purpose? Why is he here? I don't get the point if having a leader who doesn't lead

lead what? every Imam before Imam mahdi was opressed and cornered, they couldnt do anything, they could see their closest followers etc, but usually they were opressed

if your talking about an army being led, well we are waiting for that time, if you are talking about change in our people, then i refer you to this verse "Allah will not change a people who will not change themselves"

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He obviously is doing something brother, as the hadith states. There are many stories from those spiritual people that speak about how the Imam (as) helped them out in some situation, and etc.

If the prophet (pbuh) likened him to the sun behind the clouds, is he really not doing anything, stughfurallah.

The sun behind the clouds is what keeps the Earth in its orbit, its what keeps everything flowing smoothly, al hamdulillah.

You may not believe it, but that doesn't make it incorrect. Reality does not conform to subjective views.

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Evil had had the center stage for centuries now, before Imam Khomeinih made his revolution, Islam was in the peak ignorant stages, people didnt even know what lies and evil they lived in

now we are waking up, now everyone is bothered now people see that evil is not the way, and they want change, which is beautiful, but change starts from within each individual, and when we reach that internal change, there will be the external change

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I know it hurts us, and it pains us that we cannot see him, and hence we read dua nudba and cry because we are not with him , but we have to be patient

How I wonder! Where has farness taken you?

bal ayya ar¤in tuqilluka aw thar¡

Or which land or soil is carrying you?

Is it on (Mount) Ra¤w¡ or elsewhere on (Mount) Dh¢-±uw¡?

It is hard for me that I can see all creatures but I can neither see you

nor can I hear any whisper or confidential talk from you!

It is hard for me that ordeals encompass you, not me

and neither cry nor complaint from me can rally round you!

May my soul be ransom for you; for although you are hidden from us, you have never forsaken us.

May my soul be ransom for you; for although you are away, you have never been away from us.

May my soul be ransom for you; for you are the wish of an eager

believing man or woman who mention you and miss you.

May my soul be ransom for you; for you are an unmatched pioneer of dignity.

May my soul be ransom for you; for you are an unrivaled origin of glory.

May my soul be ransom for you; for you are unparalleled center of bounties.

May my soul be ransom for you; for you are unequaled in all-inclusive honor.

Until when will I be bewildered about you, O my master, and until when?

In what kind of statement and in what kind of talk can I describe you?

It is hard for me that I can receive answers and words, but you cannot.

It is hard for me that I weep for you but the others disappoint you.

It is hard for me that what has happened afflict you other than all the others.

Is there any helper with whom I may lament and bewail as much as I wish?

Is there any aggrieved one whom I can help in grief when he becomes tired?

Is there any eye moling out and thus my eye may help it to mol out more?

Is there any way to meet you, O son of A¦mad (the Prophet)?

Will our day be promised to catch your day and we will thus achieve our hope?

When will we be able to join your refreshing springs and we will then be satiated?

When will we quench our thirst from your fresh water,

because thirst has been too long?

When will we accompany you in coming and going so that our eyes will be delighted?

When will you see us and we see you spreading the pennon of victory?

Can it be that we surround you while you are leading the groups,

after you will have filled in the earth with justice,

tasted your enemies humiliation and punishment,

annihilated the insolent defiant and the deniers of the truth,

cut off the roots of the arrogant,

eradicated the sources of the wrongdoers,

and we keep on saying, “All praise be to Allah the Lord of the worlds?”

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Some people say they have seen him, but how can you see him and be sure its him when you have never seen him?

God is seening everything people are deing in massess yet theirs no reaction...

Am sure imam mahdi (as) is waiting for a signal.

You see the people who have had the privelage to see him, they can see light and the internal manifestation, and Imam Mahdi his light when he was born shone so brightly and so high to the heavens that everyone was awed even the creatures in heaven , and such people who can see the light of the heart, when they see his light, it is obvious it can be no body elses light but the light of Imam Mahdi(AJTF)

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Wow!

Do you people even understand what I'm SAYING?

NONE of your responses address the issues at hand which are:

1. He doesn't issue fatwas or resolve disputes or give khutbas or write books so we don't have any guidance from him

2. While IT IS TRUE that the Sun exists even when hidden behind clouds it DOES NOT remain behind clouds for over 1,000 years

3. YES other Imams were oppressed. But there ARE areas controlled by Shia like Iran for instance. If the catholics can see their pope why can't we see our Imam?

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Wow!

Do you people even understand what I'm SAYING?

NONE of your responses address the issues at hand which are:

1. He doesn't issue fatwas or resolve disputes or give khutbas or write books so we don't have any guidance from him

2. While IT IS TRUE that the Sun exists even when hidden behind clouds it DOES NOT remain behind clouds for over 1,000 years

3. YES other Imams were oppressed. But there ARE areas controlled by Shia like Iran for instance. If the catholics can see their pope why can't we see our Imam?

The simple answer is that we dont know why EXACTLY he is away from us. Is it us, is it Him, is it the hostile environment, is it all of the above, is it a test to us? Is it something else which only God knows and we cannto comprehend, it could be anything and everything

All we do know is that he does help us despite that we dont speak to him directly.

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Op your asking why the imam mehadi (as) is not doing much, but I always think why god doesnt do anything. And offcourse no one can answer this.

So many prayers unanswered,people starving, people dieing... Dont tell me life is a test.. Dont tell me their straving because they would of been terrible people if they worint suffering. Dont tell me we have humans have caused this and even if we have why is someone else suffering. Why do good people get hurt, why do bad people never get hurt in this life.

So many question but the answer is simple no one can answer they dont know. Lol, and if you question them more they will think your a disbeliever,but all you want is answers that no one has a answer too.

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OK if I accept what you say then he is not hiding. But he still ISN'T DOING ANYTHING. So I ask again what's the purpose? Why is he here? I don't get the point if having a leader who doesn't lead

Salam Sister.

The whole purpose is for us (human beings) to prepare ourselves .. To seek him, miss him and yearn for him ..That is when we will purify ourselves and learn more about Ahlulbayt's history, so that we may accept his Islamic leadership when he comes to unite the world with peace (Islam) and justice.

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The world needs the presence of an Imam, so we can also point out, without the Imam, the world would break up (im talking about society etc rather than the world actually breaking up) - so the Imam (as) has a great role of preserving us as to say.

Also it would be worth noting, if some one is absent, that doesnt mean their hiding

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What is the purposes of having an Imam if we never see or hear from him?

[EDIT to have a question answered you need to ask in the right way, most of what was in this paragraph was polemical]

To me the Zaydi mathaab makes more sense than the Ithna Ashari for this reason alone. Can any of my Muslim brothers from the Twelver mathaab explain this to me?

Wow!

Do you people even understand what I'm SAYING?

NONE of your responses address the issues at hand which are:

1. He doesn't issue fatwas or resolve disputes or give khutbas or write books so we don't have any guidance from him

2. While IT IS TRUE that the Sun exists even when hidden behind clouds it DOES NOT remain behind clouds for over 1,000 years

3. YES other Imams were oppressed. But there ARE areas controlled by Shia like Iran for instance. If the catholics can see their pope why can't we see our Imam?

Well, before answering you, may I ask why did you pick the Shia way of Islam? (Shia as in followers of Ahlulbayt:zaidis, ismailis ja'afaris etc)

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What is the purposes of having an Imam if we never see or hear from him?

[EDIT to have a question answered you need to ask in the right way, most of what was in this paragraph was polemical]

To me the Zaydi mathaab makes more sense than the Ithna Ashari for this reason alone. Can any of my Muslim brothers from the Twelver mathaab explain this to me?

the issue of the Imam of our time is very simple.

i think we can agree on one thing, that each person is in a unique relationship with Allah, which means there is a hierarchy of who is closest to Allah. This means that as long as we believe in Allah swt, we obviously will understand that at any point in time there is a person on earth who is the closest to Allah swt. There is always one man and one woman who are the most wise and most lead by Allah.

As several brothers and sisters pointed out before, every person on earth depends on being lead by Allah themselves, and instead of focusing on seeking leadership from the Mahdi, it is better to seek leadership from the One who Leads the Mahdi. In this way hopefully the top ranking humans can be united under the same God.

We can not expect anybody to guide us other than Allah, and even if the Imam guides us, then it is actually Allah guiding us through them. We have already 11 Imams, as well as countless other prophets and their imams from whom we must learn if we can.

so bottom line is the proof of there being an imam right now. this proof is very simple and is that at any point in time there must be one human being who is chosen to be closer to Allah than everybody else.

It happens to be that most people on earth do not know where this person is, or who he is. Only a minority of Muslims believe in the Mahdi, and people differ about him as well. Every religion has their own ideas of this person and who he is.

if you ask me what is the purpose of having an imam of mankind? sisters and brothers said it beautifully above. i would add the purpose is to achieve higher rank in humanity. by focusing on the Imam, and trying to be like him / her (in case of highest ranking woman on earth). it's for our own good and being closer to Allah in sha Allah

it's a competition, it's a race towards Allah. the only competition that really matters.

For each is a direction toward which it faces. So race to good. Wherever you may be, Allah will bring you forth [for judgement] all together. Indeed, Allah is over all things competent. 2:146

(wasalam)

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salam,

all these people that want him to appear aren't doing anything about it! Recite dua' for his appearance and after every salat make dua' to Allah (swt) to make his appearance easy on him and for his appearance to be near inshallah! how can he appear with no true shia behind his back? half the shia in this world claim to be followers of ahlulbayt (as) but they would rather please themselves with the materialistic things in this world than to please Allah (swt).

Amir ul-Mominin Ali (p.b.u.h.) said,

"The earth shall never be devoid of the Divine Proof, He may be apparent and prominent or he may be concealed and hidden. And it is because of him that the proofs and signs of Allah are not wasted."

wasalam

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Wow!

Do you people even understand what I'm SAYING?

NONE of your responses address the issues at hand which are:

1. He doesn't issue fatwas or resolve disputes or give khutbas or write books so we don't have any guidance from him

2. While IT IS TRUE that the Sun exists even when hidden behind clouds it DOES NOT remain behind clouds for over 1,000 years

3. YES other Imams were oppressed. But there ARE areas controlled by Shia like Iran for instance. If the catholics can see their pope why can't we see our Imam?

1. Our imams after Imam Husain (as) put in place certain people to give fatwas in different places. For example, Imam Ali al Sajjad (as) placed his cousin in the mosque of the prophet to issue fatwas. All the imams did this, especially Imam Musa al Kadhim (as) and Imam Ali al Redha (as). Imam Musa had around 30 children, and he sent them throughout the Muslim world to preach and give fatwas. These people represented their respective imams. The same is with our maraje. So although we may not see the Imam's fatwas or anything, he is the underlying cause of all the fatwas that are being issues by the maraje of our time.

2. As for the issue of him living such a long life, why is it so hard for you to understand? He is perfect. Perfect people know how to take care of themselves and know how to life such a life that allows their bodies to go on forever. The body is a gift from Allah, therefore it is his. That is why we cannot mutilate our bodies, because they're not our bodies, they're Allah's gift to us for temporary use. However, we do our bodies harm by not taking good care of them. It is impossible for an infallible to do harm to his body, therefore, he will live forever. There are whole books written on this very subject if you're interested.

3. The catholics can see their pope, but they can't see Prophet Jesus (as) can they? The pope is put in place to lead the Catholics in the absence of Prophet Jesus (as). The same with our maraje. They lead the ummah in the absence of the Imam (as).

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1. Our imams after Imam Husain (as) put in place certain people to give fatwas in different places. For example, Imam Ali al Sajjad (as) placed his cousin in the mosque of the prophet to issue fatwas. All the imams did this, especially Imam Musa al Kadhim (as) and Imam Ali al Redha (as). Imam Musa had around 30 children, and he sent them throughout the Muslim world to preach and give fatwas. These people represented their respective imams. The same is with our maraje. So although we may not see the Imam's fatwas or anything, he is the underlying cause of all the fatwas that are being issues by the maraje of our time.

2. As for the issue of him living such a long life, why is it so hard for you to understand? He is perfect. Perfect people know how to take care of themselves and know how to life such a life that allows their bodies to go on forever. The body is a gift from Allah, therefore it is his. That is why we cannot mutilate our bodies, because they're not our bodies, they're Allah's gift to us for temporary use. However, we do our bodies harm by not taking good care of them. It is impossible for an infallible to do harm to his body, therefore, he will live forever. There are whole books written on this very subject if you're interested.

3. The catholics can see their pope, but they can't see Prophet Jesus (as) can they? The pope is put in place to lead the Catholics in the absence of Prophet Jesus (as). The same with our maraje. They lead the ummah in the absence of the Imam (as).

This is probably the best answer given so far. It still doesn't satisfy ME but I see why it satisfies you. I have decided not to be a Twelver OR a Zaydi Or a Waqifi but to stick to ijtihad . May Allah Bless you for your efforts to answer my question

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