Stop Idolizing Bashar Assad

[Al-Mufeed]

Ive noticed some members actually idolizing and praising Bashar Assad. This is very dangerous for you and your future/akhira.

You have to realize that Bashar Assad is not some one to idolize. He is a leader who has done many wrong things - however as it stands, his presence and remaining in Syria (or at least the current system - him or not) is better for the region - in fact the world actually, than a takeover by western/gulf arab sponsored takfiris.

However - please realize that no religious person in their right mind (scholar or layman) would ever actually think that Bashar is a leader of ours or an example to follow in any way. He is just a figure that we have to deal with, and dealing with him is better than dealing with any of the other figures at the moment.

Your akhira is very precious don't think that because we work with some one or we have treaties with him etc that it means that we agree with all his actions/his life style/view points or take him as an ideal leader of any kind.

Its just like how rasool Allah made treaties with and worked with various people when it was necessary - to include many of the famous munafiqeen.

[IbnSohan]

i'd praise him if he stepped down and or changed his country regime to a parliamentary electoral "democratic" one. i want to see one arab leader with enough dignity ,wisdom and cleverness to do that.

[mac33c]

Why can't I "like" things? :[

[Kazmi_202]

Salam,

A very important post!! Sometimes its easy to get carried away in the 'heat of the moment'.

One of the 'indirect' consequences of fighting Jabhat Al-Nusra and perserving the Resistance and the lives/honour of all the Muslims and Humans in the region is assisting Bashar.

One the other side, one of the 'indirect' consequences of supporting the rebels and the overthrow of Bashar is the slavery of the region to Israel, defeat of the Resistance, the strenthing of American influence in the region and the weakning of Islam.

Which of the 'indirect' consequences is for the greater benefit of Islam and humans worldwide?

[mac33c]

i'd praise him if he stepped down and or changed his country regime to a parliamentary electoral "democratic" one. i want to see one arab leader with enough dignity ,wisdom and cleverness to do that.

I would like to see that too, but its not as easy as you think. Remember, the axis of resistance has many enemies who are seeking to exploit every weakness. This is why the Internal Security Forces of the Syrian regime were (excessively) harsh on their citizens and incredibly paranoid. Iran experiences similar (justified) paranoia. Democracy is a beautiful thing that we should all taste from, but it is very, very difficult to maintain when you have powerful enemies. Just ask Russia. They'll tell you all about their "Sovereign Democracy".

[Abdul Qaim]

Ahsant. While I support Assad and the SAA in their fight to exterminate the Takfiri presence in Syria, the idea that he and his regime should be lauded is repugnant. He, his father, and the Ba'ath party have committed many atrocities. As I've said before, he is by far the lesser of two evils at the moment, but the idea that his photo should be used in people's avatars or signatures here is odious to say the least.

[sayedzeeshan]

Asad is evil, but at the same time lesser of the two evils.

[Abdul Qaim]

I would like to see that too, but its not as easy as you think. Remember, the axis of resistance has many enemies who are seeking to exploit every weakness. This is why the Internal Security Forces of the Syrian regime were (excessively) harsh on their citizens and incredibly paranoid. Iran experiences similar (justified) paranoia. Democracy is a beautiful thing that we should all taste from, but it is very, very difficult to maintain when you have powerful enemies. Just ask Russia. They'll tell you all about their "Sovereign Democracy".

The Syrian Mukhabarat has a lot to answer for...

Edited June 7, 2013 by Abdul Qaim

[south-lebanon]

I don't idolize Assad, but i don't believe he is evil, obviously he is fallible but he is the only arab leader, formally a practicing eye surgeon in London, that is truly humble and doesn't have a sectarian agenda towards his people...Its not his fault he was born in a region where people have a medievial mentality....where they behead a father,son or orphan and yell Allhu Akbar...These people exist in Lebanon too,and the only language they understand is force...they are like rabid zombies, they will keep attacking until they are sedated.

I honestly believe that if Assad didn't love his country he would have already stepped down, and gone to a Allie country where he could work and earn a good living,

This is a video of a sheik that admits that muslims in are generally backward (majority sunnis), medievil, not ready to run their own countries, influenced by the greatest of satans, the wahabis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2R7DZVlCtE

[King]

No self respecting shia or a human being with a moral conscience would refer to Assad as a lion or pronounce their love for him or have his disgusting picture as someone to admire in their DP.

Any soul who is responsible for countless deaths and oppression of innocent human beings under the pretext of fighting of FSA scum is a moral coward, the imams would be the first to condemn him. Assad could have avoided all this mess in the first place if he had implemented meaningful reforms at an opportune time, but what do you expect? Dictators are never good with timing. The unjust policies of his father and his dictatorship over decades made it convenient for outside parties to hijack Syrian uprisings. Almost all revolutions are hijacked and almost all are violent, what is happening in Syria was inevitable, the only indeterminable variable was the amount of senseless violence and bloodshed.

[south-lebanon]

No self respecting shia or a human being with a moral conscience would refer to Assad as a lion or pronounce their love for him or have his disgusting picture as someone to admire in their DP.

Any soul who is responsible for countless deaths and oppression of innocent human beings under the pretext of fighting of FSA scum is a moral coward, the imams would be the first to condemn him. Assad could have avoided all this mess in the first place if he had implemented meaningful reforms at an opportune time, but what do you expect? Dictators are never good with timing. The unjust policies of his father and his dictatorship over decades made it convenient for outside parties to hijack Syrian uprisings. Almost all revolutions are hijacked and almost all are violent, what is happening in Syria was inevitable, the only indeterminable variable was the amount of senseless violence and bloodshed.

Says the expert in levantine politics..thankfully we the people of the land are much wiser than you...keep cursing all you like because 2 and a half years have past and Assad and his regime are more popular than ever!

[Shiabro]

I don't idolize Assad, but i don't believe he is evil,

He is definitely evil. Not because I say this but because history shows.

Bashar Assad has betrayed and mistrusted Shia people(even Lebanese Shia and the Hezb) before this Civil War and will perhaps do after, as he has no religion or principles. We should not be fooled by his likes. The Shia also didn't fight because of him, I believe.

As I stated earlier, you cannot stay out of a Civil War. Either you fight for yourself and your people or you and your people die.

There are these options for Shia and Alawi at the moment: Choosing either one side or bringing both to negotiate with each other which means peace and no bloodshed anymore. The Shia have decided for the latter.

Edited June 7, 2013 by Shiabro

[ShiaBen]

lol its amazing how many ignorant users and mods I've provoked with a rather ambiguous statement.

South Lebanon obviously gets where I'm going.

But the people on here who want him to step down so the country can be ruled by terrorists a big "lol" to you guys.

If he wasn't a good leader he would have sold this country out a while back and kept himself free of the stress and the mess of dealing with it all.

I have no idea whether he's truly a practicing Alawite, or even a Sunni or Shiite Muslim convert. The fact that stands is

that he's fighting for this small fragile Levantine country that has been tired and exhausted from these Salafist retards.

For that he definitely deserves praise and respect, but idolization definitely not as it is haram in our religion to idolize any mortal.

[King]

Says the expert in levantine politics..thankfully we the people of the land are much wiser than you...keep cursing all you like because 2 and a half years have past and Assad and his regime are more popular than ever!

Who cares who is popular? What does that have to do with right or wrong? Hitler had upwards of 90% popular support in Germany, do you have a poster of him hanging on your wall?

[JawzofDETH]

Ive noticed some members actually idolizing and praising Bashar Assad. This is very dangerous for you and your future/akhira.

You have to realize that Bashar Assad is not some one to idolize. He is a leader who has done many wrong things - however as it stands, his presence and remaining in Syria (or at least the current system - him or not) is better for the region - in fact the world actually, than a takeover by western/gulf arab sponsored takfiris.

However - please realize that no religious person in their right mind (scholar or layman) would ever actually think that Bashar is a leader of ours or an example to follow in any way. He is just a figure that we have to deal with, and dealing with him is better than dealing with any of the other figures at the moment.

Your akhira is very precious don't think that because we work with some one or we have treaties with him etc that it means that we agree with all his actions/his life style/view points or take him as an ideal leader of any kind.

Its just like how rasool Allah made treaties with and worked with various people when it was necessary - to include many of the famous munafiqeen.

I agree 99%. I am just not sure if RasulAllah (pbuh) would have ever knowingly maintained treaties with leaders if he (pbuh) knew firmly that such leaders wre massacring their own people.

Was-Salaam

Edited June 7, 2013 by JawzofDETH

[south-lebanon]

lol its amazing how many ignorant users and mods I've provoked with a rather ambiguous statement.

South Lebanon obviously gets where I'm going.

But the people on here who want him to step down so the country can be ruled by terrorists a big "lol" to you guys.

If he wasn't a good leader he would have sold this country out a while back and kept himself free of the stress and the mess of dealing with it all.

I have no idea whether he's truly a practicing Alawite, or even a Sunni or Shiite Muslim convert. The fact that stands is

that he's fighting for this small fragile Levantine country that has been tired and exhausted from these Salafist retards.

For that he definitely deserves praise and respect, but idolization definitely not as it is haram in our religion to idolize any mortal.

I believe you were just trolling AbuMuslim..yeah that was a good one, he deserved it... alot!

Who cares who is popular? What does that have to do with right or wrong? Hitler had upwards of 90% popular support in Germany, do you have a poster of him hanging on your wall?

But who are you to say who is more right from wrong, what do you know about Syria, where are you getting your info from....and Bashar is the opposite of Hitler, where has he ever engaged in a campaign of ethnic cleansing and made statements about his sect being the ones chosen by god, instead he chose a woman to bare his children, from the sect you are claiming that Assad is exterminating

P.s the only thing i have hanging on my wall is a framed segment from surat al Baqarah

Edited June 7, 2013 by south-lebanon

[King]

If he wasn't a good leader he would have sold this country out a while back and kept himself free of the stress and the mess of dealing with it all.

For that he definitely deserves praise and respect, but idolization definitely not as it is haram in our religion to idolize any mortal.

Except that an elementary reading of history would tell you otherwise, men in power don't typically want to give it away (i.e opt to live stress free on some private island), in fact, most fight to their bitter demise to hold onto it, that's not courage, that's simply authority staying true to its nature, I don't see how Assad is any different.

[ShiaBen]

What about the ex-shah of Iran? He fled like a coward and soon died of cancer.

[ShiaBen]

What matters not is monarchy, dictatorship, presidency etc.

What matters is what an individual does for his people. His qualities and his work is what is relevant.

Assad> Zardari

[King]

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't the shah leave once he realized his time was up? I think the military had gone neutral at that point, Assad is far away from that predicament. According to your theory, the Shah should have left Iran and relaxed on a private Island long before, but he resisted and oppressed till his fate became glaringly obvious.

But who are you to say who is more right from wrong, what do you know about Syria, where are you getting your info from....and Bashar is the opposite of Hitler, where has he ever engaged in a campaign of ethnic cleansing and made statements about his sect being the ones chosen by god.

P.s the only thing i have hanging on my wall is a framed segment from surat al Baqarah

What is the point of being relative when it comes to elementary morality? Just because someone else is more oppressive or violent doesn't mean you ignore your own crimes. Any serious moral agent looks in the mirror first before pointing fingers. And if you seriously believe that Assad has not oppressed his own people then there is no point in further having this discussion.

Edited June 7, 2013 by Mutah_King

[ShiaBen]

Your associating courage with giving up power. But in the context of Assad, for him to give up power, is to concede defeat to the terrorists. For him to abandon Syria would surely mean a cowardly act. A leader that is truly a leader will fight for power for the right reasons, not the wrong reasons. Based on your argument, Khomeini, Tito, Nasser and such are terrible leaders because they wanted to remain in power.

[zakzaki]

If it was not for Assad and his father, who would expect respect for lovers of Imam Ali (as) in the land of Mawiya and Yezid (LA)?

Remember Shias are finished when syria is concqured by enemies of Shias the Alqaida and Zionists. Is this what the paid shias (CIA) fail to see?

For the same reason the paid Shias, the so-called malangs (CIA) agents go to Syria and curse Abu Bakr and Umar openly in markets.

To bring Shia Sunni rift.

Anyways, they have failed because they do not follow the Sunna of Imam Ali (as), which is patience.

[ShiaBen]

Mutah King, give concrete empirical examples of Assad oppressing his people lolz

[Shiabro]

For the same reason the paid Shias, the so-called malangs (CIA) agents go to Syria and curse Abu Bakr and Umar openly in markets.

I don't believe they are CIA agents but just uneducated Shia zealots. It is a foolish deed and should be condemned. It is also an act of crime because with that they bring the whole local Shia community in danger.

Edited June 7, 2013 by Shiabro

[zakzaki]

I don't believe they are CIA agents but just uneducated Shia zealots. It is a foolish deed and should be condemned. It is also an act of crime because with that they bring the whole local Shia community in danger.

Brother, that Mullah Malang who is the icon of Mutah king is a CIA agent you can ask any Pakistan member. He has cursed Shia Alims and has divided the Shia community.

It is for these Malangs the Shias got divided and served the Alqaida takfiri and Zionist agenda of giving power to takfiris.

in Pakistan.

[King]

Your associating courage with giving up power. But in the context of Assad, for him to give up power, is to concede defeat to the terrorists. For him to abandon Syria would surely mean a cowardly act. A leader that is truly a leader will fight for power for the right reasons, not the wrong reasons. Based on your argument, Khomeini, Tito, Nasser and such are terrible leaders because they wanted to remain in power.

Ever heard the phrase that absolute power corrupts absolutely? Either way, that wasn't my point. Assad is not behaving any differently than most authoritarian leaders in the past, they will abuse their power to hold onto it till the bitter end, the bitter end being them being ousted out of contention, whether that means lining up in front of a firing squad, or in exile like the Shah is irrelevant, the point is that men in power are incredibly reluctant to give it up. If you can cite an example in history where some authoritarian leader out of the goodness of his heart (or to pursue a more relaxed lifestyle) decided to give it up when faced with relative stresses of leadership then I am all ears.

Now you may believe that barking orders from an authoritarian position while his soldiers die on ground is a courageous undertaking, but its very typical authoritarian behavior. We will realize how courageous Assad is, or how much he cares for his fellow shias (rather than being primarily concerned with protecting his family empire/rule) when he is ever forced to give up his throne, but that again would be besides the point, there have been evil men in the past who have fought on front lines and displayed what would customarily be considered courage, but real courage is on the behalf of the helpless, and a leader should primarily be judged on his policy and abuse/fair use of authority.

[zakzaki]

Asad is the only leader who has agreed to Geneva convention of handling power back to people and has openly said that by next year he will step down and let people choose their leader. Tell me which dictator in middle east has agreed to such step down?

[King]

Asad is the only leader who has agreed to Geneva convention of handling power back to people and has openly said that by next year he will step down and let people choose their leader. Tell me which dictator in middle east has agreed to such step down?

LOL! Zia Ul Haq also promised elections in 3 months, then ran Pakistan as a dictator for a decade, talk is cheap.

[zakzaki]

LOL! Zia Ul Haq also promised elections in 3 months, then ran Pakistan as a dictator for a decade, talk is cheap.

why you comparing a Takfiri on CIA payrol Zionist Zia to anti Takfiri Asad?

[King]

They are both dictators?

[zakzaki]

Besides one year is needed to clean the loss which Alqaida inflicted on Syria.

[King]

Sure, just like Zia Ul Haq needed more than 3 months, then a year, then well 10 years.

[south-lebanon]

What is the point of being relative when it comes to elementary morality? Just because someone else is more oppressive or violent doesn't mean you ignore your own crimes. Any serious moral agent looks in the mirror first before pointing fingers. And if you seriously believe that Assad has not oppressed his own people then there is no point in further having this discussion.

What is the point about arguing with a guy that has a fitna personality as his icon pic...I'm not aware of Sub-continent muslim politics, but thank you to brother Zakzaki, for letting me know that you have a divisive figure on your icon, that explains to me alot... here i am arguing my cause for a stable figure from my region with a guy that follows a divisive figure from his own region.

[King]

What is the point about arguing with a guy that has a fitna personality as his icon pic...I'm not aware of Sub-continent muslim politics, but thank you to brother Zakzaki, for letting me know that you have a divisive figure on your icon, that explains to me alot... here i am arguing my cause for a stable figure from my region with a guy that follows a divisive figure from his own region.

Its a joke you frapazoid, do you have a sense of humor?

[zakzaki]

They are both dictators?

Yeah one dicator serving the foreign Alqaida and the other anti Alqaida, but seems people of Syria like their own dictator which they will show in the coming elections, which Assad has promised.