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Why do some Shia Muslims insist on cursing, abusing and insulting the Companions? I think it's not fine to do so. According to the verdict issued by Imam Khamenei, we shouldn't insult the Companions of the Prophet (peace be upon him and his descendants).

What do you all say?

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Why do some Shia Muslims insist on cursing, abusing and insulting the Companions? I think it's not fine to do so. According to the verdict issued by Imam Khamenei, we shouldn't insult the Companions of the Prophet (peace be upon him and his descendants).

What do you all say?

because they prefer to follow Majlisi and Kulayni over Imam Khamenei.

Anyways, I appreciate what you are doing.

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Why do some Shia Muslims insist on cursing, abusing and insulting the Companions? I think it's not fine to do so. According to the verdict issued by Imam Khamenei, we shouldn't insult the Companions of the Prophet (peace be upon him and his descendants).

What do you all say?

Well, even those who do insist on cursing, abusing, and insulting the companions are quite selective (i.e. they are not speaking ill of all the companions, a few notable ones). As far as cursing goes (in terms of sending lanat on those certain companions), it is unacceptable it appears from the view of Imam Khamenei (that is if he is considered to be your source for religious knowledge). For others, they base their actions on the ahadith coming down from the Infallible Imams of the Ahl al-Bayt [as]. Whether or not you accept those narrations as authentic or such (or choose to place them within their proper context) is up to you, but there is textual evidence to support their practice.

(wasalam)

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Well, even those who do insist on cursing, abusing, and insulting the companions are quite selective (i.e. they are not speaking ill of all the companions, a few notable ones). As far as cursing goes (in terms of sending lanat on those certain companions), it is unacceptable it appears from the view of Imam Khamenei (that is if he is considered to be your source for religious knowledge). For others, they base their actions on the ahadith coming down from the Infallible Imams of the Ahl al-Bayt [as]. Whether or not you accept those narrations as authentic or such (or choose to place them within their proper context) is up to you, but there is textual evidence to support their practice.

(wasalam)

When our Imams spoke ill of the Companions, it was the time when all the Muslims used to speak ill of Ahl al Bayt. Nobody does that now and a few people who hate them are hated by the majority of the Muslims. If our Imams were present as human beings here in this world today, they would've forbidden insult of the Companions. We can say that because we see Qur'an, the Prophet (peace be upon him and his descendants) and Imam Ali ibn Abu Talib (peace be upon him) saying, doing and ordering the same.

1) In Q. 6:108, God says:

'And do not insult those they invoke other than God lest they insult God in enmity without knowledge...'

Here God wants us not to insult those whom non-Muslims worship. Similarly, we're not allowed to insult those whom Sunni Muslims revere so much that they call them their caliphs.

2) We see that Prophet Muhammad kept Abu Bakr, Umar and Usman close to him. If he wanted, he could easily say, 'I know what's in your heart. I know that you don't actually believe in what I've brought. Leave me and go away.' He did not do so rather he kept them close to him. He married their daughters and gave them his so-called daughters as their wives. He sent them as his advocates. He sent them as his generals with his army. Shia Muslims insist on what bad they did and Sunni Muslims insist on what good they did. Actually, we must see them in the middle of what both of us think them to be.

3) Once Imam Ali saw some of his soldiers abusing the Syrians so he said:

'I dislike you starting to abuse them but if you describe their deeds and recount their situations that would be a better mode of speaking and a more convincing way of arguing. Instead of abusing, them you should say, 'Oh God, save our blood and their blood, produce reconciliation between us and them and lead them out of their misguidance so that he who is ignorant of the truth may know it and he who inclines towards rebellion and revolt may turn away from it' (Nahj al Balagha, sermon #205).'

4) Just for the sake of Shia-Sunni unity, we must abstain from insulting each other's religious personalities. What kind of justice is this that when a man insult the Prophet, we protest but we ourself do the same thing with other Muslims?

Imam Jafar al Sadiq said, 'Abu Bakr al Siddiq born me twice' (Siyari by al Dhahabi, volume #6, page #255).

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When our Imams spoke ill of the Companions, it was the time when all the Muslims used to speak ill of Ahl al Bayt. Nobody does that now and a few people who hate them are hated by the majority of the Muslims. If our Imams were present as human beings here in this world today, they would've forbidden insult of the Companions. We can say that because we see Qur'an, the Prophet (peace be upon him and his descendants) and Imam Ali ibn Abu Talib (peace be upon him) saying, doing and ordering the same.

Seems like we're neglecting the sunnah then...and I don't think you have any clue about how our Imams [as] would have approached these issues. Nobody's suggesting we go out and curse those infamous companions that usurped their rights and oppressed them, openly. But, sending lanat on those oppressors is certainly not forbidden.

(wasalam)

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Just a type: http://en.wikipedia....Curses_in_Islam

This is done with the Arabic word La'nat. "La'nat" means deprivation, and can be used in expressions such as "La'anatullah", "May (he/she/it) be deprived of God's (blessings)". So, the curse is not to be understood as gaining evil, rather of losing the blessings of God.

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Seems like we're neglecting the sunnah then...and I don't think you have any clue about how our Imams [as] would have approached these issues. Nobody's suggesting we go out and curse those infamous companions that usurped their rights and oppressed them, openly. But, sending lanat on those oppressors is certainly not forbidden.

(wasalam)

I've given you clear proofs from Qur'an, sunnah and Nahj al Balagha. What more do you need? Look, I'm not asking you to love those who wronged with our Imams. I'm just asking you not to insult them openly. I'm against the attitude of terrorists like Yasser al Habib.

Just a type: http://en.wikipedia....Curses_in_Islam

This is done with the Arabic word La'nat. "La'nat" means deprivation, and can be used in expressions such as "La'anatullah", "May (he/she/it) be deprived of God's (blessings)". So, the curse is not to be understood as gaining evil, rather of losing the blessings of God.

We all say, 'Oh God, curse those who wronged with Ahl al Bayt and deprive them of Your blessings'. I'm just against openly insulting the Caliphs like Indian or Pakistani Shia Muslim lecturers do in public. This causes fitnah and is foolishness.

And what about the Sunni Wahabi when they dig up graves of the companions or set them on fire? I guess thats not an insult.

If they're going towards hell through one route, will you use another route to go towards hell?

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(bismillah)

I've given you clear proofs from Qur'an, sunnah and Nahj al Balagha. What more do you need? Look, I'm not asking you to love those who wronged with our Imams. I'm just asking you not to insult them openly. I'm against the attitude of terrorists like Yasser al Habib.

You're free to disagree with him all you want, but that is too far. Call him one who starts fitna, sure, but that^ is taking it a bit too far.

Imam Jafar al Sadiq said, 'Abu Bakr al Siddiq born me twice' (Siyari by al Dhahabi, volume #6, page #255).

Did you really just quote this?

في أمان الله

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