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Why do some Shia Muslims insist on cursing, abusing and insulting the Companions? I think it's not fine to do so. According to the verdict issued by Imam Khamenei, we shouldn't insult the Companions of the Prophet (peace be upon him and his descendants).

What do you all say?

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Why do some Shia Muslims insist on cursing, abusing and insulting the Companions? I think it's not fine to do so. According to the verdict issued by Imam Khamenei, we shouldn't insult the Companions of the Prophet (peace be upon him and his descendants).

What do you all say?

because they prefer to follow Majlisi and Kulayni over Imam Khamenei.

Anyways, I appreciate what you are doing.

Edited by Abul Hussain Hassani

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Why do some Shia Muslims insist on cursing, abusing and insulting the Companions? I think it's not fine to do so. According to the verdict issued by Imam Khamenei, we shouldn't insult the Companions of the Prophet (peace be upon him and his descendants).

What do you all say?

Well, even those who do insist on cursing, abusing, and insulting the companions are quite selective (i.e. they are not speaking ill of all the companions, a few notable ones). As far as cursing goes (in terms of sending lanat on those certain companions), it is unacceptable it appears from the view of Imam Khamenei (that is if he is considered to be your source for religious knowledge). For others, they base their actions on the ahadith coming down from the Infallible Imams of the Ahl al-Bayt [as]. Whether or not you accept those narrations as authentic or such (or choose to place them within their proper context) is up to you, but there is textual evidence to support their practice.

(wasalam)

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Well, even those who do insist on cursing, abusing, and insulting the companions are quite selective (i.e. they are not speaking ill of all the companions, a few notable ones). As far as cursing goes (in terms of sending lanat on those certain companions), it is unacceptable it appears from the view of Imam Khamenei (that is if he is considered to be your source for religious knowledge). For others, they base their actions on the ahadith coming down from the Infallible Imams of the Ahl al-Bayt [as]. Whether or not you accept those narrations as authentic or such (or choose to place them within their proper context) is up to you, but there is textual evidence to support their practice.

(wasalam)

When our Imams spoke ill of the Companions, it was the time when all the Muslims used to speak ill of Ahl al Bayt. Nobody does that now and a few people who hate them are hated by the majority of the Muslims. If our Imams were present as human beings here in this world today, they would've forbidden insult of the Companions. We can say that because we see Qur'an, the Prophet (peace be upon him and his descendants) and Imam Ali ibn Abu Talib (peace be upon him) saying, doing and ordering the same.

1) In Q. 6:108, God says:

'And do not insult those they invoke other than God lest they insult God in enmity without knowledge...'

Here God wants us not to insult those whom non-Muslims worship. Similarly, we're not allowed to insult those whom Sunni Muslims revere so much that they call them their caliphs.

2) We see that Prophet Muhammad kept Abu Bakr, Umar and Usman close to him. If he wanted, he could easily say, 'I know what's in your heart. I know that you don't actually believe in what I've brought. Leave me and go away.' He did not do so rather he kept them close to him. He married their daughters and gave them his so-called daughters as their wives. He sent them as his advocates. He sent them as his generals with his army. Shia Muslims insist on what bad they did and Sunni Muslims insist on what good they did. Actually, we must see them in the middle of what both of us think them to be.

3) Once Imam Ali saw some of his soldiers abusing the Syrians so he said:

'I dislike you starting to abuse them but if you describe their deeds and recount their situations that would be a better mode of speaking and a more convincing way of arguing. Instead of abusing, them you should say, 'Oh God, save our blood and their blood, produce reconciliation between us and them and lead them out of their misguidance so that he who is ignorant of the truth may know it and he who inclines towards rebellion and revolt may turn away from it' (Nahj al Balagha, sermon #205).'

4) Just for the sake of Shia-Sunni unity, we must abstain from insulting each other's religious personalities. What kind of justice is this that when a man insult the Prophet, we protest but we ourself do the same thing with other Muslims?

Imam Jafar al Sadiq said, 'Abu Bakr al Siddiq born me twice' (Siyari by al Dhahabi, volume #6, page #255).

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When our Imams spoke ill of the Companions, it was the time when all the Muslims used to speak ill of Ahl al Bayt. Nobody does that now and a few people who hate them are hated by the majority of the Muslims. If our Imams were present as human beings here in this world today, they would've forbidden insult of the Companions. We can say that because we see Qur'an, the Prophet (peace be upon him and his descendants) and Imam Ali ibn Abu Talib (peace be upon him) saying, doing and ordering the same.

Seems like we're neglecting the sunnah then...and I don't think you have any clue about how our Imams [as] would have approached these issues. Nobody's suggesting we go out and curse those infamous companions that usurped their rights and oppressed them, openly. But, sending lanat on those oppressors is certainly not forbidden.

(wasalam)

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Just a type: http://en.wikipedia....Curses_in_Islam

This is done with the Arabic word La'nat. "La'nat" means deprivation, and can be used in expressions such as "La'anatullah", "May (he/she/it) be deprived of God's (blessings)". So, the curse is not to be understood as gaining evil, rather of losing the blessings of God.

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Seems like we're neglecting the sunnah then...and I don't think you have any clue about how our Imams [as] would have approached these issues. Nobody's suggesting we go out and curse those infamous companions that usurped their rights and oppressed them, openly. But, sending lanat on those oppressors is certainly not forbidden.

(wasalam)

I've given you clear proofs from Qur'an, sunnah and Nahj al Balagha. What more do you need? Look, I'm not asking you to love those who wronged with our Imams. I'm just asking you not to insult them openly. I'm against the attitude of terrorists like Yasser al Habib.

Just a type: http://en.wikipedia....Curses_in_Islam

This is done with the Arabic word La'nat. "La'nat" means deprivation, and can be used in expressions such as "La'anatullah", "May (he/she/it) be deprived of God's (blessings)". So, the curse is not to be understood as gaining evil, rather of losing the blessings of God.

We all say, 'Oh God, curse those who wronged with Ahl al Bayt and deprive them of Your blessings'. I'm just against openly insulting the Caliphs like Indian or Pakistani Shia Muslim lecturers do in public. This causes fitnah and is foolishness.

And what about the Sunni Wahabi when they dig up graves of the companions or set them on fire? I guess thats not an insult.

If they're going towards hell through one route, will you use another route to go towards hell?

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(bismillah)

I've given you clear proofs from Qur'an, sunnah and Nahj al Balagha. What more do you need? Look, I'm not asking you to love those who wronged with our Imams. I'm just asking you not to insult them openly. I'm against the attitude of terrorists like Yasser al Habib.

You're free to disagree with him all you want, but that is too far. Call him one who starts fitna, sure, but that^ is taking it a bit too far.

Imam Jafar al Sadiq said, 'Abu Bakr al Siddiq born me twice' (Siyari by al Dhahabi, volume #6, page #255).

Did you really just quote this?

في أمان الله

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God bless you, my dear friend.

I was also hated at Sunni Forum. They asked me to tell them more about Shia Islam. When I did so, they said that I was insulting the prophets. They warned me that they would ban me but as they didn't as I stopped using that filthy website. I was shocked by seeing their hatred with Shia Muslims. Well, they're Deobandi Muslims. May God guide them all.

You've disassociated yourself from those who fought against Imams Ali and Hasan (peace be upon them) and those who abused them. That's good.

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You must be kidding me, right?

I understand why you think like this because there are also some topics of Yassir al Habib that I dont agree with. But that being said, he also argues that cursing of people that cause deviations and are munafiqoon should be cursed.

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And what about the Sunni Wahabi when they dig up graves of the companions or set them on fire? I guess thats not an insult.

Thats abnormal & all sunnis condemn this activity but as far as the cursing & abusing is concerned its a norm for u shias. Actually its not ur fault young man. U were fed such nonsense since u were young.

U r just following ur ancestors

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Thats abnormal & all sunnis condemn this activity but as far as the cursing & abusing is concerned its a norm for u shias. Actually its not ur fault young man. U were fed such nonsense since u were young.

U r just following ur ancestors

I would like to tell you Cursing & Abusing is NOT aqeeda of Shia Muslims. I am Shia Muslim, and I don't curse or abuse anyone (except Yazid and few ones more). I respect Bibi Ayesha, because she was wife of Prophet (pbuh). That's it. but I don't abuse. It is not aqeeda of Shia Muslims, whoever does it, that's their Aemaal. Allah will ask for this. But yes, I dissociate myself from enemies of Ahle-e-Baith (as). I can't love those who hurt Bibi Fatima (as).

Edited by akramabbas

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Why do some Shia Muslims insist on cursing, abusing and insulting the Companions? I think it's not fine to do so. According to the verdict issued by Imam Khamenei, we shouldn't insult the Companions of the Prophet (peace be upon him and his descendants).

What do you all say?

Did Imam Khamenei say " one shouldn't insult " or did he say " it is haraam to insult " ??? What did he really say???

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Companions vs companions:

This is a dilemma for every Muslim when he reads history. Companions should be those earlier Muslims who fought for the establishment of our religion. Companions also were the transmitters of hadiths , Quran and Islamic practices. Companions as thus should be Muslim brothers who have rights on us like any other Muslim. Companions were also men whom three years ago were mushriks, you do not expect someone to turn 180 degrees over a night. This is particularly important in one case: companions as transmitters of religion. This is why the ilm of jarh and ta'deel was invented by Sunni school. They needed to verify that hadiths they received were said truly by prophet. Jarh and ta'deel was controversial at its earliest days because part of its process is to judge companions actions and faith. They ended up with adalat asahabah theory which is unknown when it came to existence. This theory dominated the Sunni thought for decades now.

If a Sunni man wants to know why Shia oppose some sahaba , he have to make sure that Sunnis at some point of history did the same. It is not a Shia thing, it is something a Muslim must go through to make sense of the history and to know which hadiths to accept and which to reject.

Shia are sticking with one rule regarding sahabah : who ever opposed imam Ali is wrong doer whom we cannot accept Hadith and religion teaching from. Shia believe that those who opposed imam Ali were nasibis and nasibis are munafiqs and munafiqs are liars.

When it comes to the first three khulafa, Sunnis try to show that there was no ill feelings between imam Ali and them while Shia try to prove other wise.

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Why do some Shia Muslims insist on cursing, abusing and insulting the Companions? I think it's not fine to do so. According to the verdict issued by Imam Khamenei, we shouldn't insult the Companions of the Prophet (peace be upon him and his descendants).

What do you all say?

Ideally. It would be unjust to curse any other Muslim based on his deeds no matter how ignorant he is or was. God alone knows what he must have been thinking at that point in time. Even applies to this period of time. The ignorant people, it might seem like an act of insanity from the other side of the world however justified the "cause" may be.

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How on earth does that make him a 'terrorist'?

Do you know what punishment for slander is?

He is a terrorist because he spreads chaos and commotion. He insults those whom Sunni Muslims revere and makes them hate and kill Shia Muslims.

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He is a terrorist because he spreads chaos and commotion. He insults those whom Sunni Muslims revere and makes them hate and kill Shia Muslims.

:mellow:

*face palm*

While I don't agree with his approach, I don't see how it is fair to label him a terrorist because of what he does...

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:mellow:

*face palm*

While I don't agree with his approach, I don't see how it is fair to label him a terrorist because of what he does...

You see in him a Shia Muslim. I see in him a soul whose acts and sayings can make Shia and Sunni Muslims hate each other more than ever.

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You see in him a Shia Muslim. I see in him a soul whose acts and sayings can make Shia and Sunni Muslims hate each other more than ever.

While Shia ulama mphasize on the necessity of Unity, unity does not at all mean abandonning our beliefs or we should stop revealing the truth. It means that Shia and Umaris should rely on common principles against common enemies such as Jews and Wahabis who are trying to detsroy Islam. That does not mean we should start worshipping the 'Idols of Quraysh' (the first and the second), or we should desist from cursing/disassociating ourselves from the enemies of Ahle Bayt (A), or we should stop commemorating the 'Ashura event, etc.

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He declared that it's haram to insult the Companions.

I doubt it! But even if Khomeini said his views are not beliefs of Shias. A scholar is respected as long as his beliefs are in par with the teachings of Ahle Bayt (A) and their Ahadith. In fact most of the Grand Ayatullah's of Qum like Ayatullah Seyyed Sadeq Shirazi, Ayatullah Vahid Khorassani, Ayatullah Hassan Ruhani, etc. and Mujtahids of najaf such as Ayatullah Sistani, Ayatullah Fiyadh, and others are against the notion of Absolute Guardianship of Jurists or 'Wilayat e Faqih'.

Mujtahids who are against the Wilayat e Faqih rely on a letter issued from the sacred side of Imam ul-Asr wa-Zaman (Arwahuna Lah ul-Fidaa) to Jurists, Imam Mahdi (A) said: "In all events rely on narrators of our ahadith, for they are Our Hujjat on you, and I am the Hujjat of Allah." (wasaa'l v27, p140)

توقیع شریف صادره از ناحیه مقدسه زادها الله شرفاً: «واما الحوادث الواﻗﻌﺔ فارجعوا فیها الی رواﺓ حدیثنا، فانهم حجتی علیکم وانا ﺣﺠﺔ الله» وسائل،ج27،ص140

Is Khomeini who came up with the notion of 'Wilayat e Faqih' in anyway an approved Narrator of Ahadith of Ahle Bayt (A)? Or Sheikh Mufid, Sheikh Tusi, Shekh Qummi, Ibn Babuyeh, etc. are? who do you take your Aqeeda from?

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He is a terrorist because he spreads chaos and commotion. He insults those whom Sunni Muslims revere and makes them hate and kill Shia Muslims.

Tell that to your Sunni friends. You'll give them a good laugh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD8MoSFO44k

I have heard the names of the two books he wrote insulting the Companions. Obviously, he's spreading chaos.

Using your argument, you are indirectly accusing almost all of our classical scholars of "spreading choas" for their work.

Edited by PureTruth

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Tell that to your Sunni friends. You'll give them a good laugh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD8MoSFO44k

Using your argument, you are indirectly accusing almost all of our classical scholars of "spreading choas" for their work.

I respect all of my scholars and I'm proud of them. I'm just telling you the truth. Yasser al Habib is going to get many Shia Muslims killed. His thoughts are too childish: we must reveal the truth of the Caliphs. Man, we've been doing this since the Prophet passed away. Nobody in this world wants to know the truth. The most important things is Shia-Sunni unity and you can never achieve this goal until you control yourselves about the Caliphs.

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I respect all of my scholars and I'm proud of them. I'm just telling you the truth. Yasser al Habib is going to get many Shia Muslims killed. His thoughts are too childish: we must reveal the truth of the Caliphs. Man, we've been doing this since the Prophet passed away. Nobody in this world wants to know the truth. The most important things is Shia-Sunni unity and you can never achieve this goal until you control yourselves about the Caliphs.

In the Name of the First Martyr who was killed Defending Amir ul-Mo'menin Ali (A)'s Rights, Sayyedatuna Fatima al-Zahra (S):

وَلَئِن مُّتُّمْ أَوْ قُتِلْتُمْ لَإِلَى ٱللَّهِ تُحْشَرُونَ "And if you die or you are slain (in the way of God), to Allah you are gathered." (Qur'an 3:158)

You keep speaking about Shias being Killed for their beliefs in your replies, it's either you care about lives of Shias more than your own life or you are basically threatening us with death. This is a very serious crime, prosecutable under federal law in the U.S. and Canada and most of the modern countries.

Also; The Holy Prophet (S) was Martyred, it was a planned Coup D'etat by Idols of Quraysh, their Daughters and the Jews. (Refer to 'Kitab Sulaym Ibn Qays al-Hilali'). May Allah's Curse be Upon them all untilt the Day of Judgment.

Edited by BaniZahra216

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