Sectarian Conflict In Syria

[Abu Hesham]

I recently overheard some youth discussing the war in Syria. I am guessing they were shia because of the tone they took towards the Sunnis and 'descendants of muawiya'. This along with things my sunni friends have been saying has had me wondering lately and prompted me to raise this issue in the forum:

Are there 12er Shias out there pursuing a sectarian agenda in Syria?

Is it true there have been 'fatwas' coming from Iranian Ayatollahs to kill all Sunnis?

[Ebn Tie me yeah]

I recently overheard some youth discussing the war in Syria. I am guessing they were shia because of the tone they took towards the Sunnis and 'descendants of muawiya'. This along with things my sunni friends have been saying has had me wondering lately and prompted me to raise this issue in the forum:

Are there 12er Shias out there pursuing a sectarian agenda in Syria?

Is it true there have been 'fatwas' coming from Iranian Ayatollahs to kill all Sunnis?

Sectarian agenda? only the wahabis are doing this so far with great level of success i must admit. Tune into Aljazeera and Press Tv spot the difference? notice how Al Jazeera (Qatari view) labels everything sunni or shia.

Edited May 22, 2013 by Naz_

[hasanhh]

(salam)

This "youths" have been misinformed or saying stuff to show-off for themselves.

As to the former, these alleged fatwas are probably non-existant. No Ayatollah would say this. If it occured, then it is a mullah somewhere.

[Sunniforunity]

The sectarianism in Syria comes from an oppressive, atheistic Baathist regime that happens to be made up (in the leadership positions, i.e. positions of power) mostly of people from the Alawite minority. The Assad regime has unsurprisingly placed the Alawite minority in positions of power over the majority community. One can see many similarities between this and Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq; where Iraqi Sunnis from Tikrit (often affiliated with Saddam) were given privileged positions in the government, etc. Another interesting parallel there is that just as many Iraqi Shi'ites served with Saddam's military and regime; many Syrian Sunnis do still serve in Bashar's Baathist regime as well. Meaning one cannot lay the blame in either case on any one specific group in relation to the regime.

Edited May 22, 2013 by Sunniforunity

[south-lebanon]

I recently overheard some youth discussing the war in Syria. I am guessing they were shia because of the tone they took towards the Sunnis and 'descendants of muawiya'. This along with things my sunni friends have been saying has had me wondering lately and prompted me to raise this issue in the forum:

Are there 12er Shias out there pursuing a sectarian agenda in Syria?

Is it true there have been 'fatwas' coming from Iranian Ayatollahs to kill all Sunnis?

Thats why hezbollah started a war with Israel that cost 1200 Lebanese shia lives when Israel invaded Gaza, Thats why hezbollah used the remains of Israeli soldiers to release Palestinian prisoners,.... sectarianism was the motive then wasn't it?

[Abu Hesham]

Thats why hezbollah started a war with Israel that cost 1200 Lebanese shia lives when Israel invaded Gaza, Thats why hezbollah used the remains of Israeli soldiers to release Palestinian prisoners,.... sectarianism was the motive then wasn't it?

Thanks for the sarcasm i wonder why i didn't think of that?! Let's try to have conversation on the basis of intelligence ok? Are you capable of that? Let's reference events that are less that 7 years old and are more relevant to the crisis in Syria. If you're capable of that, i don't expect you to be able though so don't worry about letting me down.

Tell me sincerely are you (sunni) not proud to be called descendants of Muawiya? He is a sahabi khatib according to your sect and one of the battalion is called Muawiya and Yazeed. So whats the fuss about?

Sectarian agenda? only the wahabis are doing this so far with great level of success i must admit. Tune into Aljazeera and Press Tv spot the difference? notice how Al Jazeera (Qatari view) labels everything sunni or shia.

I have been called by you: 'abu sufyan' 'muawiya' 'yazeed' and 'salafi' do you know anything about wrongly accusing people in Islam? Do you know what the Prophet and the Quran says about False Accusations?

Surah 6:159

Indeed, those who have divided their religion and become sects - you, [O Muhammad], are not [associated] with them in anything. Their affair is only

to Allah ; then He will inform them about what they used to do.

Edited May 22, 2013 by Abu Hesham

[Abu Hesham]

Thank you to the two Muslims that answered in Respect and Honesty without sarcasm, rudeness, or name calling. Allah appreciates it when we behave like Muslims.

[race]

I recently overheard some youth discussing the war in Syria. I am guessing they were shia because of the tone they took towards the Sunnis and 'descendants of muawiya'. This along with things my sunni friends have been saying has had me wondering lately and prompted me to raise this issue in the forum:

Are there 12er Shias out there pursuing a sectarian agenda in Syria?

Is it true there have been 'fatwas' coming from Iranian Ayatollahs to kill all Sunnis?

I hope there are no 12ers pursuing a sectarian agenda and the shia ayatollahs have always stressed unity. I try to follow Imam Khamenei, and there are sunnis who love and support him also. It saddens me because we have such a man as Khamenei but majority of the muslims dont know him or have been misinformed about him. Most of my sunnis friends have no clue about him but on the other hand, some of my non muslim friends know about him.

Edited May 22, 2013 by race

[ShiaBen]

I recently overheard some youth discussing the war in Syria. I am guessing they were shia because of the tone they took towards the Sunnis and 'descendants of muawiya'. This along with things my sunni friends have been saying has had me wondering lately and prompted me to raise this issue in the forum:

Are there 12er Shias out there pursuing a sectarian agenda in Syria?

Is it true there have been 'fatwas' coming from Iranian Ayatollahs to kill all Sunnis?

Are you a Salafist troll?

(Judging by your blatantly annoying ignorant questions; yes)

[Noah-]

I hope there are no 12ers pursuing a sectarian agenda and the shia ayatollahs have always stressed unity. I try to follow Imam Khamenei, and there are sunnis who love and support him also. It saddens me because we have such a man as Khamenei but majority of the muslims dont know him or have been misinformed about him. Most of my sunnis friends have no clue about him but on the other hand, some of my non muslim friends know about him.

That is the problem that Ayatollahs, Hizbullah and Shias in general do not pursue a sectarian agenda.... the reason they don't do it is because they want to win over Sunnis and find a way for unity which never takes place. And instead the Sunnis always blame Shias of being sectarian, while it is obvious that Sunnis are the most sectarian sect on the planet especially when it comes to Shias... they are probably the only alive sect who beheads, bomb women and children for sectarian purposes to implement their Sharia or Khelafa.

There is nothing wrong for Shias to be sectarian for defensive purposes! Shias help Shias to avoid 'massacre' to stop 'Shia mosque destruction' to avoid Shia-cleansing, to avoid hanging Shia kids in the streets of Syria, to avoid the massacre of entire villages of Shias.... If Sunnis have problem with that and call it a sectarian movement against Sunnis, if they call it Shia sectarians, or whatever, then they are sick in the head. And they deserve to die alongside the terrorists.

Sunnis have no idea of what we Shias feel for them; they 'pretend' to be ignorant... It is the Shias only and only who always try to reach them, unite with them, make excuses for them, help them and etc... just wasting time and energy on people who view us as the number one enemy.

Edited May 22, 2013 by Noah-

[south-lebanon]

To the OP, Are you narrow mindeed or what?

you asked, are the "12er shia's" out there pursuing a sectarian agenda?

So i gather in my unintelligent way, you are asking if shia 12ers are in Syria, and dying there, to help Bashar Al Assad stay in power because he comes from a shia/allawite background while being against the majority of the population because they are sunni. Correct!

However, hezbollah's main stance of being a pillar for the liberation of Palestine and sacrificing their lives for the Palestinian cause, who are entirly sunni brothers, is not an applicable answer to your question and should not be taken into consideration because this happened more than 2 years ago...ok then :/ .

Here is a few facts for you to consider. (but since you are aware of events from 7 years and beyond, i expect you to already know all this, however there are other possibilities i guess)

• Hezbollah has no connection to Syria's government religiously, im sure you already know he is a Baathiast, who are politically motivated with nationalistic agendas, leaning on Athiest, while hezbollah are the party of god.
  
• Hezbollah, receives 80% of its weapon through the long border shared with Syria, SHN confirmed that hezbollah could not have won a war without that help, so without the Syrian regime,Israel would have control of Lebanon...So ask yourself who is the bigger enemy Israel or the Syrian government, and why should hezbollah support the people who are being funded by its enemies!
  
• Lebanese sunnis alligned with movements funded from gulf countries, who support Israel, (there is no doubt about this, if you deny this then you may as well join the followers of muawiyah) have been streaming over the border to fight the pro resistance Syrian government right since the start of the conflict, even when Bashar was implementing reforms.
  
• are you aware of all the thousands of Syrian sunni refuges that are living in Shia areas of Lebanon, being looked after by shias, health and education paid by hezbollah, if hezbollah was secterian, why would they waste their money on sunnis...or as this an unintelligent respose to you as well?
  
• What did the shrines of Zainab, ruqqayah ever do to the Syrian sunni people...answer nothing!!...the foriegn agents want to destruct these shrines because they stand for karbala and resistance...how is hezbollah being sectarian by sending fighters to defend the shrines from extremists, that are hell bent on destructing them.
  
• Yemen had a shia president, where the shia sect he came from was more mainstream then allawites and a greater chunk of the population, why did hezbollah support his overthrow, it couldnt have been secterian, could it, if t was sectarianism then saudis would of backed the Yemen revolution and hezbollah would of backed the president, right?
  

In conclusion we shia's have never been sectarian and never will, sunnis and more precisely wahabis are the ones that suffer from sectarianism sickness, if we were sectarian we would be like how the sunnis support king Abdullah in Saudi Arabia...(and don't kid yourself, most sunnis are loyal to their imams, who are in turn slaves to the saudis, despite what their personal feelings are to the king, the sunni sheeple are tools of king abdullah's wahabi agenda) however shia's have a history of following those that are pro resistance, when there was a sunni resistance leader named Gamal Abdul Nassar from Egypt, the shia community in Lebanon supported him over the Shar of Iran, who was back then, the king Abdullah of out time, but was shia 12er no doubt, and was also anti-resistance and had tension with Nassar, yet we "secterian shias" still supported the Sunni leading resistance leader of that time, The pro Nassar parties were most popular in south Lebanon well after his time had past, right up until the islamic revolution took over the mantle of resistance.....Action speak far greater than words...we are not secterian and actions are in no contradiction to our views...kindly tell your sunni friends to go ......themselves!!!!

P.S If sunnis were not secterian then they would also be attacking the grave of Muawiyah, instead of just attacking the graves of Ahlulbayt...but there you have it, another example of actions speak louder than words..Bashars peaceful non-secterian government protects the graver of one of historys disgusting tryrants, Muawiyah...while his enemies, are trying to destruct the graves of those that stood for injustices and humanity, and were repressed by the tyrant Muawiyah...in know it staring to sound like a cliche...but one again history keeps repeating itself.

Edited May 22, 2013 by south-lebanon

[Anonymous456]

The problem in situations like the Syria situation, which has escalated loads, is that people let emotion get in the way. When that happens, it makes it easier for the Salafist/Wahhabi agenda to spread its sectarianism. This issue shouldn't be about Sunni or Shia, it should be about whether Syrian's are pro or anti Bashar's government, but unfortunately a lot of external forces are involving themselves in the country.

As for seeing Shia's promoting sectarianism, I personally haven't witnessed that at all, and any person who claims to be Muslim, yet incites hatred and sectarianism, they won't have credibility in my as well as many other people's eyes.

[Ebn Tie me yeah]

I have been called by you: 'abu sufyan' 'muawiya' 'yazeed' and 'salafi' do you know anything about wrongly accusing people in Islam? Do you know what the Prophet and the Quran says about False Accusations?

Ok i admit i might have raised this Abu Sufyan and Yazeed but Muawiya was mentioned by you which i dont see any harm.

Surah 6:159

Indeed, those who have divided their religion and become sects - you, [O Muhammad], are not [associated] with them in anything. Their affair is only

to Allah ; then He will inform them about what they used to do.

Think twice before quoting this verse, the Ummah was already divided into sects,be mindful that the mythical ahl sunnah came after, Ashari, mutazilla, shia of usman, Matrudi, murjiah etc were all the sects that existed prior to the mythical ASWJ. Many many ahadith were narrated by individuals coming from the shia of Uthman.

According to Shah Dehlavi the old name of ASWJ was also shia, so this is a double edged sword. Imam Ali (as) made it clear in your hadith who is actually following the religion and who divided it.

[Abu Hesham]

Ok i admit i might have raised this Abu Sufyan and Yazeed but Muawiya was mentioned by you which i dont see any harm.

Think twice before quoting this verse, the Ummah was already divided into sects,be mindful that the mythical ahl sunnah came after, Ashari, mutazilla, shia of usman, Matrudi, murjiah etc were all the sects that existed prior to the mythical ASWJ. Many many ahadith were narrated by individuals coming from the shia of Uthman.

According to Shah Dehlavi the old name of ASWJ was also shia, so this is a double edged sword. Imam Ali (as) made it clear in your hadith who is actually following the religion and who divided it.

Are you a Salafist troll?

(Judging by your blatantly annoying ignorant questions; yes)

So asking questions is trolling? You people are beyond ridiculous and I am honestly fed up with how low you people are already.

I'm completely baffled right now at how rude you all are. But you all will be the first to say how much you 'love ahlul bait' and 'follow ahlul bait'.

I'm not from the region so naturally my knowledge isn't as good as people who are from there can the ignorant understand this?

Ok i admit i might have raised this Abu Sufyan and Yazeed but Muawiya was mentioned by you which i dont see any harm.

Think twice before quoting this verse, the Ummah was already divided into sects,be mindful that the mythical ahl sunnah came after, Ashari, mutazilla, shia of usman, Matrudi, murjiah etc were all the sects that existed prior to the mythical ASWJ. Many many ahadith were narrated by individuals coming from the shia of Uthman.

According to Shah Dehlavi the old name of ASWJ was also shia, so this is a double edged sword. Imam Ali (as) made it clear in your hadith who is actually following the religion and who divided it.

so the verse is wrong that's what you're arguing?! You're a filthy animal. how do you call yourself a muslim?

The homosexual model preaching religion!! now i know i have seen it all

Edited May 23, 2013 by Abu Hesham

[Ebn Tie me yeah]

so the verse is wrong that's what you're arguing?! You're a filthy animal. how do you call yourself a muslim?

The homosexual model preaching religion!! now i know i have seen it all

Every verse in the Quran is open for interpretation. You are looking at it literally without going through the whole Quran. You dont decide who is Muslim and who is not, you do not have the authority. As i said earlier it is confirmed that you are a wahabi troll, you do takfir on people for no apparent reason. What i told you is to read the explanation by Imam Ali (as) in Imam Hanbal's collection.

You have used foul language and also you mentioned homosexual model? what are you implying here? If you display any male pic you are known as a Homo?

I hope the Admin takes serious note of the comments you made.

[ShiaBen]

Someone ban this troll ASAP. We have some entertaining trolls in the past, but this one's trolling is neither entertaining nor humorous.

lol at the "rudeness" comment, you're a troll fact z fact, you could have answered 11/10 of the questions you asked had you gone on google (LOL I mention 11/10 because he's probably lined up another retarded question to unleash at us just to waste time to further his trolling credential experience).

Don't worry troll, we won't be missing you when you're gone. Youd' be doing us a favor by keeping the forums clean in your absence :)

[GreyMatter]

Brother Abu Hashem, read it up all around, over a 100 Shi'as die and literally half-evaporate when they blow a single powerful bomb in Pakistan.

So far, more than a thousand only this year lie dead.

Just look at the recent bombing sprees in Iraq on Shi'a Masjid and even on Sunni Awekening Councils. (Sunni Awekening Council = Pro-Government Sunni militias teaming up with the government against these radicals)

Or have a look at Bahrain, widespread discrimination for decades, and still the protesters are crushed if voices are raised.

It's easy to kill Shi'as in Pakistan and Iraq than a freakin' goat. And evidently, it is.

If Shias never pursued the sectarian agenda in these lands, why the hell would we pursue a sectarian agenda in Syria?

Syria houses some graves of pious people, and Syyeda Zainab (as) is one of them.

If we are to hypothetically pursue this sectarian conflict, then the wrath will very well be upon us, since these Al-Nusra extremists won't hesitate a second to blow up Syyeda Zainab's (as) Masjid. Just like how Zarqawi blew up Imam Askari's (as) Masjid a few years ago.

Even the organization (Al-Nusra; al-Qaeda in Iraq) are affiliated and under the same banner today.

We always strive for peace, Ayatollah Sistani is the man for that, we cannot pursue anything sectarian, the losses will be ours, always.

Edited May 23, 2013 by GreyMatter

[Abdul Qaim]

Is it true there have been 'fatwas' coming from Iranian Ayatollahs to kill all Sunnis?

Yes, it's true. It came from the same Maraja' that have made celebrating Nawrooz and the birth of Zoroaster wajib. I believe the Iranians are also developing biological weapons that only target people with Sunni DNA.. They can drop them in canisters from aircraft or fire them in artillery shells.

[south-lebanon]

Almanar:

500 of the combination of Takfiri and terrorist members were killed in the first shock of Qusayr attack launched by the Syrian army. Hundreds others fled the battlefield or surrendered to the government forces.

I hope the Syrain army captures those that escaped the battlefield before they rape and rob more innocent Syrians, since according to the terrorist religious belief, you are permitted to do this act during wahabi jihad and many Syrians have unfortunatly fallen victim to this disgusting act

[Abu Hesham]

Someone ban this troll ASAP. We have some entertaining trolls in the past, but this one's trolling is neither entertaining nor humorous.

lol at the "rudeness" comment, you're a troll fact z fact, you could have answered 11/10 of the questions you asked had you gone on google (LOL I mention 11/10 because he's probably lined up another retarded question to unleash at us just to waste time to further his trolling credential experience).

Don't worry troll, we won't be missing you when you're gone. Youd' be doing us a favor by keeping the forums clean in your absence :)

Google? Now I understand why stupidity is rampant.

Yes, it's true. It came from the same Maraja' that have made celebrating Nawrooz and the birth of Zoroaster wajib. I believe the Iranians are also developing biological weapons that only target people with Sunni DNA.. They can drop them in canisters from aircraft or fire them in artillery shells.

Thanks I thought so too, that's why I asked you know because I already knew the answer. The fact you guys get hot and bothered by a question raises tons of suspicion.

If you weren't guilty of something you would give honest, straight answers, and quit acting so arrogantly. Or wait maybe this is the religion you follow, "hate hate hate"

Called a troll for asking a question. ATTENTION ALL RESPONDING IDIOTS I AM NOT FROM THE REGION so maybe that is an indication as to why I don't know. I don't know though that is just my opinion.

You guys talk really tough online but I know for a fact you wouldn't be so hardcore in real life all I hear is a pack of dogs yelping not even barking.

Clearly I touched a tender nerve otherwise there wouldn't be so many people hot and bothered BY AN HONEST QUESTION.

If I wanted to search on google I would search but I thought it was better to get answers from the source BUT AGAIN I DON'T KNOW THAT MUST JUST BE MY CRAZY OPINION.

[Abdul Qaim]

Google? Now I understand why stupidity is rampant.

Thanks I thought so too, that's why I asked you know because I already knew the answer. The fact you guys get hot and bothered by a question raises tons of suspicion.

If you weren't guilty of something you would give honest, straight answers, and quit acting so arrogantly. Or wait maybe this is the religion you follow, "hate hate hate"

Called a troll for asking a question. ATTENTION ALL RESPONDING IDIOTS I AM NOT FROM THE REGION so maybe that is an indication as to why I don't know. I don't know though that is just my opinion.

You guys talk really tough online but I know for a fact you wouldn't be so hardcore in real life all I hear is a pack of dogs yelping not even barking.

Clearly I touched a tender nerve otherwise there wouldn't be so many people hot and bothered BY AN HONEST QUESTION.

If I wanted to search on google I would search but I thought it was better to get answers from the source BUT AGAIN I DON'T KNOW THAT MUST JUST BE MY CRAZY OPINION.

The reason some people here may have got "hot and bothered" is because the question is frankly ridiculous, and a fellow Shi'ah should have known better than to even ask. I'm not a fan of the Iranian system, but I'll say one thing for them, they have bent over backwards to court the support of Sunnis. They have continually called for unity amongst Sunnah and Shi'ah, they have supported the Palestinians when other Sunni countries abandoned them (including the Gulf monarchies that are now funding Takfiris in Syria).

Even during the Syrian conflict, the Iranians have been trying to stress that Sunnah and Shi'ah should not be duped by Western backed Takfiris into turning on each other, but it has fallen on deaf ears. Some of the same groups who accepted their help and support are now calling the Iranians and Shi'ah in general as kuffaar and majoosi. So, when a Shi'ah comes on this forum and asks whether it's true that "there have been 'fatwas' coming from Iranian Ayatollahs to kill all Sunnis?" some people naturally become annoyed. The fact that you aren't from the region is irrelevant. I'm a white Anglo-European from Australia, so I suspect that I'm further away from the region than you, and I know better than to even entertain the notion that any Shi'i 'alim would issue a fatwa making the blood of Sunnis halal.

I'd also be careful in making assumptions on how "hardcore" people here are in real life. It's just as easy for you to make disparaging remarks about others here from the comfort of your PC as it is for anyone else here...

Edited May 24, 2013 by Abdul Qaim