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Shia Scholars House Arrest In Iran - Is It True?

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Just to add - I can't even find any trace of that interview with Syed FadhlAllah online. All I could find was text on al-Jazeera's website - which I do not judge as being reliable.

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Nothing personal, but denying or trying to hide these facts under the table is pure ignorance.

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I wish I could link this to my thread on WF, getting out the popcorn :P

I wouldn't normally expect there to be a productive or logical debate when virulently anti-Shia Yasir Habib supporters like PurifiedTruth and Labbayk and anti-Iranians Ali-Reza and Ugly Jinn are on the thread. If these guys can keep their silly emotions and drama aside for a few moments, maybe there's a chance.

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I wouldn't normally expect there to be a productive or logical debate when virulently anti-Shia Yasir Habib supporters like PurifiedTruth and Labbayk and anti-Iranians Ali-Reza and Ugly Jinn are on the thread. If these guys can keep their silly emotions and drama aside for a few moments, maybe there's a chance.

Yeah, I tried in my own thread, but it's starting to lead to some comments that are simply ignorant. It almost seems pointless to even try to have an objective and normal conversation. People simply making comments with no supportive evidence. Oh well, some of the replies on my thread have been beneficial, but some have no justification and honestly serve no purpose.
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Yeah, I tried in my own thread, but it's starting to lead to some comments that are simply ignorant. It almost seems pointless to even try to have an objective and normal conversation. People simply making comments with no supportive evidence. Oh well, some of the replies on my thread have been beneficial, but some have no justification and honestly serve no purpose.

That's why I didn't bother writing anything on your thread, no offence.

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That's why I didn't bother writing anything on your thread, no offence.

It's not an offense to me per say; basically if you have more knowledge on a certain topic and you decide not to share it, I can't force you to do so. On the other hand; if you see someone is filling my brain with information that is wrong, it would be nice for you to share your Wizdom. (I made a joke) :P
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...and anti-Iranians Ali-Reza and Ugly Jinn are on the thread. If these guys can keep their silly emotions and drama aside for a few moments, maybe there's a chance.

Friendly and a sincere advice. I would be very cautious and extra careful on what I would write if I were you. You have made a very general and baseless accusation. Just remember, that at the end, we are all held accountable on every thing we say.

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Many, many MKO operatives were executed, yes.

Is that a joke, you think he only executed MKO's? Replace the MKO with 'opponents'.

And as for the second point you made, it just goes to show how completely clueless you really are. Name one Marji' who is against the concept of WF.

You lost whatever credibility you had with that statement.

I wouldn't normally expect there to be a productive or logical debate when virulently anti-Shia Yasir Habib supporters like PurifiedTruth and Labbayk and anti-Iranians Ali-Reza and Ugly Jinn are on the thread. If these guys can keep their silly emotions and drama aside for a few moments, maybe there's a chance.

The only thing silly is that you are mentally incapable of accepting other people's opinion that goes against the regime hence settle for rubbish posts like above.

And correction, I'm anti-WF/regime, not anti-Iranian.

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The Iranian government has tortured and executed many scholars and associates of scholars simply for the "crime" of not agreeing with their view of WF and their iron-fist politics. Anyone denying this fact is either deluded or selectively believing what they want to believe.

edit: This isn't to imply I am "anti-IRI" in any way. Iran is probably the best country right now in the Middle East and has the brightest minds of the Muslim world and their da'wa work is impeccable and unparalleled. However their government has done many wrongs to many within its borders.

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So much ignorance in a single thread!

@ Mujtaba_Iraqi, Labayk, Ali_Reza, and Ugly Jinn - have you guys even read the system of WF?

No Shi'a scholar in the world abolishes the system in its entirety, because there are many traditions from the A'immah stating that the rule should be maintained by scholars, pious, God fearing people. Anybody who thinks Khamanei is ordering scholars' imprisonment and house arrests are mistaken. IRI is run by scholars, it's amazing how many people think they are better educated than those scholars. I am not saying it is perfect, but it not to be disagreed with to the extent people are on this forum.

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The Iranian government has tortured and executed many scholars and associates of scholars simply for the "crime" of not agreeing with their view of WF and their iron-fist politics. Anyone denying this fact is either deluded or selectively believing what they want to believe.

edit: This isn't to imply I am "anti-IRI" in any way. Iran is probably the best country right now in the Middle East and has the brightest minds of the Muslim world and their da'wa work is impeccable and unparalleled. However their government has done many wrongs to many within its borders.

Yes,and as well as some righteous scholars that have been harshly murdered such as Sayed Reda Al-Shirazi. It's worth to mention that confirmed reports state that the funereal of his uncle ; Grand Ayatollah Muhamed Al-Shirazi has been disturbed and attacked by these same people. These are confirmed reports and even supported by the relatives of these martyred scholars which cannot be denied.

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Thumbs up for that. As far as I am aware now, none of these scholars recognize the concept of Walayat Al-Faqih Al-Mutlaqah that is applied in Iran today. However, it's also worth to mention, that they do not entirely reject the concept of it, but rather, define it slightly in another way than Allama Khomanie defined it. To give an example, here is how Ayatollah Sayed Sadiq Al-Shirazi defines the concept of Wilyat Al-Faqih,

http://imamshirazi.c...t-ul-faqih.html

Typical Y.Habib followers. Trying to create fitnah amongst shias. What a shame.

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Typical Y.Habib followers. Trying to create fitnah amongst shias. What a shame.

What does Yasser Al-Habib even have to do with anything we said? Would you mind showing me where in my post I even mentioned him either directly or indirectly?

Don't be quick to make baseless conclusions. Use your Aql, and not your emotions when posting next time. You will be held accountable on everything you say on the day of judgement.

So much ignorance in a single thread!

@ Mujtaba_Iraqi, Labayk, Ali_Reza, and Ugly Jinn - have you guys even read the system of WF?

No Shi'a scholar in the world abolishes the system in its entirety, because there are many traditions from the A'immah stating that the rule should be maintained by scholars, pious, God fearing people. Anybody who thinks Khamanei is ordering scholars' imprisonment and house arrests are mistaken. IRI is run by scholars, it's amazing how many people think they are better educated than those scholars. I am not saying it is perfect, but it not to be disagreed with to the extent people are on this forum.

Ya Akhi. We are not making judgments on WF Al-Mutalaqa based on our own personal opinions, but rather reflecting on what we say from the opinions of the prominent and more knowledgeable Maraje' that we follow on top of our research done on it.

I disagree with your statement that no scholar disagrees with the Wilayat Al-Faqih Al-Mutalqah that was established by Allama Khomanie, because this is invalid and I kindly request you to research more on the risala of some of the prominent marje's opinion on it. Moreover, A significant portion of our Maraje' have rejected Al-Walayat Al-Faqih Al-Mutlaqah and just one simple source that state that is the video that brother Labbayk has posted. Moreover, despite the fact that they reject it in it's entirety, but they do recognize it to some extent, The difference between their definition of WF and Iran, is that in Iran, Khamanie is considered to be the representative of Imam Zaman(as), and the scholars must pledge to their leader. This definition of WF is no doubt rejected by other scholars as they believe that no fallible person can be a representative of Imam Zamanah(as) because the Imam(as) did not even appoint one after the greater occultation(Al-Ghaybah Al-Kubrah). Anyways. I recommend you to research more on what these scholars say and you will see yourself the bigger picture.

(wasalam)

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Assalamu alikum,

Firstly, going back to the subject.

Ayatollah Sanie was in house arrest because he called President Ahmadinejad a '[Edited Out]' - (I have the source if any one wishes for it)

Ayatollah Shirazi clearly isn't. He holds one of the only mosques in QOM that do Zanjeer or Tatbir.

Ayatollah Wahid (Where did you hear this from!) obviously isn't he is a very influential individual in the Islamic Republic, couple of days ago he sent a letter to Ayatollah Hashemi supporting him as a Presidential Candidate.

Seyed Roohani is the same person who denounced the Islamic Republic when Ayatollah Montazeri was chosen as Supreme Leader (His problem was with the person chosen not with the concept of WF) , then Ayatollah Montazeri was replaced by the order of Imam Khomeini. This time Roohani claimed WF was the problem! (He is known in Iran because he is only Marja to call listening to any music haraam.)

Furthermore, those who try and attack the Islamic Republic on various topics must realize that no government other than the government of the Prophet (pbuh) is complete. Also, no leadership other than the Prophet (pbuh) and Holy Imams (as) is complete and without mistake.

I can't see how there are Shia's who don't support the Islamic Republic. The Islamic Republic has given Shia's more power. We played no role in Politics before the revolution! Some couldn't even go to Karbala or Mashhad! But, today not only can we visit but we defend the holy sites by full force (Syria) instead of siting in London (Yasser Habib) and cursing our enemies!

There is no doubt that IRI has made mistakes (there has been many) but today we must stand by it and support it until the time of The Arrival.

Also, to those who blame the IRI for the murder of Seyed Shirazi. You have no evidence at all! Why would IRI kill him? They could just put him under house arrest if they wanted to? He isn't such a significant figure for them to kill..

Wasalaam.

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Typical Y.Habib followers. Trying to create fitnah amongst shias. What a shame.

How about replying with some actual arguments? There's strong evidence to the murder of one, recorded and narrated witness testimonies to the torture of others, and the disruption of a funeral happened out in public. We're all listening

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How about replying with some actual arguments? There's strong evidence to the murder of one, recorded and narrated witness testimonies to the torture of others, and the disruption of a funeral happened out in public. We're all listening

Well..Now you are just talking, come with the proves?

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I respect your views, you are entitled to yours, and I believe you should be able to voice your view without being under house arrest or any sort of arrest period.

By the way, can you please tell me how Imam Ali (as) reacted to those khawarij that kept insulting him during holy Imam's khalafah? After all, since you are speaking on behalf of Islam, you should know how commander of Islam whom we claim to be his Shia treated those that had opposing views of him.

Looking forward your reply. Baa Sepas

Salam Alekuim brother the problem here is we cant always compare something now to the time of the ahlulbayt(As) unless it has the same components.

As someone mentioned there are faults in the system of course the council the leader the advisers are all fallible beings but its very simple whats better a islamic system that tries in its best to follow the path of the prophet and ahlulbayt with the help of great scholars or a drunk tyrant.

I dont see a problem with house arrest DEPENDING on the conditions set whilst in this position, when certain "scholars" speak freely it can cause great problems for example a certain scholar slandering about the regime and trying to convince an uprise is this not dangerous? Is this not relatively the same approach Mdk used?

Imam sadiq as said whoever falsely accuses his muslim brother faith will melt down his heart like salt melts down in water

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yes but this brother is using "Islam" as excuse and that is no good excuse. Iran has laws...if people violate it then they should be judged accordingly but arresting people or house arresting people outside justice is not sunnah of prophet (pbuh) or Ahlulbayt (as)

Yaa Ali

 

Not Sunnah of the Prophet (sawas) or of Ahlul Bayt (as) you say... Do YOU know the sunnah of the Prophet (sawas) and Ahlul Bayt (as)? You've studied the books of hadith, of fiqh, the Quran and all relevant sciences? You've become a mujtahid and now are qualified to give us your risala that house arrests are not sunnah? This Muharram Sayed Ammar elaborated on the Evolution of Marja'iyah. There are certain rulings that the mujtahids have to do ijtihad to come up with legal rulings to. For example, what direction is Qibla when one is in an aeroplane at night? Does Sunnah apply in this case, or must mujtahids derive possible solutions....? New scenarios evolve.... Iran, I believe, is a new scenario. Not just Iran, many places too.

 

I'm not trying to be rude, all I'm saying is that we need to practice a bit of humility, guard our tongues... How many need to be put off taqleed because of un-fettered statements?

 

Wassalaam

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