Shia Scholars House Arrest In Iran - Is It True?

[Ali-F]

Aslamu alaykum

I was writing with a shia, and he told me that scholars like Sheikh Wahid Khorasani, Sayed Sadiq Rohani, Sayed Sadiq Shirazi, Sheikh Yousuf Sanei, is house arrested in Iran?

Is it true ?

If yes, why? He said because they had different views, something with azadari etc??

[Wizdom]

I don't know about the other two, but Sheikh Waheed clearly isn't:

http://abna.ir/data.asp?lang=3&Id=409072

[Mousa54321]

There are scholars that were previously under house arrest, such practice is not unheard of. Famously grand ayatollah Montazeri who was very influential and participated in the Iranian revolution was placed under house arrest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hussein-Ali_Montazeri#Later_dissent_and_house_arrest

[Shiabro]

All leaders who were pro green movement were put under housarrest back then, that included Ay. Montaziri and Ay. Saanei. Since Ay. Khorasani is not politically involved he wasn't and also Sayed Shirazi was not a green movement supporter or opponent. So they weren't put under house arrest. This is the decision of some courts which can put people under house arrest for some time.

[zaidali]

just one question, May Allah forgive me if there seems to be the slighest sense of putting down anyone/anything, but does Iran not follow Islam and if it does whats with this house arrest. Are people not entitled to there opinion. Slight research on the Islamic Revolution led me to this Ayatollah who too was under house arrest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Kazem_Shariatmadari

And could someone please guide me with understanding the cause of this person's death.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassan_Pakravan

Once again I mean no offence, I just want to expand my horizon of knowledge.

[Golden-crowned]

rumors!

[Ali-Reza]

rumors!

No they are not. Maybe those particular individuals may not be but typically house arrests have been very common in Iran.

just one question, May Allah forgive me if there seems to be the slighest sense of putting down anyone/anything, but does Iran not follow Islam and if it does whats with this house arrest. Are people not entitled to there opinion. Slight research on the Islamic Revolution led me to this Ayatollah who too was under house arrest.

http://en.wikipedia....m_Shariatmadari

And could someone please guide me with understanding the cause of this person's death.

http://en.wikipedia....Hassan_Pakravan

Once again I mean no offence, I just want to expand my horizon of knowledge.

I can speak on behalf of Iran because I am Iranian, over there the TVs are state run, the newspapers, are closely watched so are the scholars. Most Masjids have organizations called "basij" which is localized militan groups an extension of revolution guard (sepah) that is committed to protecting IRI so before things get out of hand it shuts down any organization and puts scholars under pressure and scrutiny. Pretty un-open environment if you ask me. They know the power and influence of scholars can have so they they closely watch them.

I know many who don't live in Iran can't believe this but grass is always greener on the other side of the fence; IRI is just another regime that claims to follow Islam. Read Islamic history there has been a plenty of such regimes both Shia and Sunni nothing new!

Edited May 17, 2013 by Ali-Reza

[A true Sunni]

No they are not. Maybe those particular individuals may not be but typically house arrests have been very common in Iran.

I can speak on behalf of Iran because I am Iranian, over there the TVs are state run, the newspapers, are closely watched so are the scholars. Most Masjids have organizations called "basij" which is localized militan groups an extension of revolution guard (sepah) that is committed to protecting IRI so before things get out of hand it shuts down any organization and puts scholars under pressure and scrutiny. Pretty un-open environment if you ask me. They know the power and influence of scholars can have so they they closely watch them.

I know many who don't live in Iran can't believe this but grass is always greener on the other side of the fence; IRI is just another regime that claims to follow Islam. Read Islamic history there has been a plenty of such regimes both Shia and Sunni nothing new!

Oh look the apologist for the Shah trying to be a beacon of guidance

[3alii]

Read into the American export democracy fund and the bills passed by the American administration regarding 'opposition' to the Iranian government. It may give you a better understand to the underlying reasons for the current stance of the government on supporters of the 'Green path of hope'. You should also look into the background of the leaders of opposition and their links to the west. I really do not wish to provide any direct details nor do I intend to spread fitnah so please look into it yourself. However it is completely shocking and I am sure you too may be shocked with what you discover. Always keep an open mind too.

[Wizdom]

Read into the American export democracy fund and the bills passed by the American administration regarding 'opposition' to the Iranian government. It may give you a better understand to the underlying reasons for the current stance of the government on supporters of the 'Green path of hope'. You should also look into the background of the leaders of opposition and their links to the west. I really do not wish to provide any direct details nor do I intend to spread fitnah so please look into it yourself. However it is completely shocking and I am sure you too may be shocked with what you discover. Always keep an open mind too.

Would you be so kind as to tell us where we might be able to read into the sources you mentioned?

[Ali-F]

No they are not. Maybe those particular individuals may not be but typically house arrests have been very common in Iran.

I can speak on behalf of Iran because I am Iranian, over there the TVs are state run, the newspapers, are closely watched so are the scholars. Most Masjids have organizations called "basij" which is localized militan groups an extension of revolution guard (sepah) that is committed to protecting IRI so before things get out of hand it shuts down any organization and puts scholars under pressure and scrutiny. Pretty un-open environment if you ask me. They know the power and influence of scholars can have so they they closely watch them.

I know many who don't live in Iran can't believe this but grass is always greener on the other side of the fence; IRI is just another regime that claims to follow Islam. Read Islamic history there has been a plenty of such regimes both Shia and Sunni nothing new!

Not surprising, that you have a picture of Shirazi.

[Shiabro]

Not surprising, that you have a picture of Shirazi.

Lil Ali provocating huh?

[Ali-Reza]

Not surprising, that you have a picture of Shirazi.

You asked a question I answered brother. If my little avatar is enough for you to stop searching the truth, then go right ahead.

And one more thing, so what I have Shirazi on my avatar. He is way more knowledgeable than you and I will ever get.

Wasalam

Edited May 17, 2013 by Ali-Reza

[ali1988]

No they are not. Maybe those particular individuals may not be but typically house arrests have been very common in Iran.

I can speak on behalf of Iran because I am Iranian, over there the TVs are state run, the newspapers, are closely watched so are the scholars. Most Masjids have organizations called "basij" which is localized militan groups an extension of revolution guard (sepah) that is committed to protecting IRI so before things get out of hand it shuts down any organization and puts scholars under pressure and scrutiny. Pretty un-open environment if you ask me. They know the power and influence of scholars can have so they they closely watch them.

I know many who don't live in Iran can't believe this but grass is always greener on the other side of the fence; IRI is just another regime that claims to follow Islam. Read Islamic history there has been a plenty of such regimes both Shia and Sunni nothing new!

I am iranian myself and if every tom Richard and harry could say what they want they would be chaos just look at what happened with MDK

For example its believed Muhammad shirazi issued a fatwa in the war time that Iran couldn't attack iraq..imagine what would happen if people were to follow this statement right now shias would be getting tortued under sadams regime, Islam doesn't go by the western philosophy of democracy you have to think about the actions caused by what you say

[Ali-Reza]

I am iranian myself and if every tom Richard and harry could say what they want they would be chaos just look at what happened with MDK

For example its believed Muhammad shirazi issued a fatwa in the war time that Iran couldn't attack iraq..imagine what would happen if people were to follow this statement right now shias would be getting tortued under sadams regime, Islam doesn't go by the western philosophy of democracy you have to think about the actions caused by what you say

I respect your views, you are entitled to yours, and I believe you should be able to voice your view without being under house arrest or any sort of arrest period.

By the way, can you please tell me how Imam Ali (as) reacted to those khawarij that kept insulting him during holy Imam's khalafah? After all, since you are speaking on behalf of Islam, you should know how commander of Islam whom we claim to be his Shia treated those that had opposing views of him.

Looking forward your reply. Baa Sepas

Edited May 18, 2013 by Ali-Reza

[Ali-F]

I apologize, brother Ali-Reza. Sayeed Mohamad Shirazi isn't the bad one - his brother is the wrong one.

Brother, can you tell me why you don't like Iranian Gov?

Ahsantum, and may Allah swt bless you.

[A true Sunni]

I apologize, brother Ali-Reza. Sayeed Mohamad Shirazi isn't the bad one - his brother is the wrong one.

Brother, can you tell me why you don't like Iranian Gov?

Ahsantum, and may Allah swt bless you.

He remmisses fondly about the good ol' days under the Shah. Should give you an indication of his Islamic credentials

[Faithfully999]

In The Name of The One and Only God, The Eternal, The Righteous, The Owner Of Sovereignty, The Lord Of Majesty And Bounty, The Self-Sufficient, The Supreme, The Self-Subsisting In Whom All Subsist. The Peace Be Upon You, Everyone.

You might remember an old saying (who ever said it) "Constant vigilance is the price of liberty." I cannot imagine how, Islam, would survive otherwise. With all of the infiltration even in this day, think back to the day's of Muawiya (sp?), and even before that!

The adversary, is well aware of the following verse, and others like it. They desire the worship of Satan alone! Food for thought.

009.033 هُوَ الَّذِي أَرْسَلَ رَسُولَهُ بِالْهُدَى وَدِينِ الْحَقِّ لِيُظْهِرَهُ عَلَى الدِّينِ كُلِّهِ وَلَوْ كَرِهَ الْمُشْرِكُونَ

009.033 It is He Who hath sent His Messenger with guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest (it). Al-Qur'an, 009.033 (At-Tawba [Repentance, Dispensation])

Wa salaam. Faithfully999

[Ali-Reza]

In The Name of The One and Only God, The Eternal, The Righteous, The Owner Of Sovereignty, The Lord Of Majesty And Bounty, The Self-Sufficient, The Supreme, The Self-Subsisting In Whom All Subsist. The Peace Be Upon You, Everyone.

You might remember an old saying (who ever said it) "Constant vigilance is the price of liberty." I cannot imagine how, Islam, would survive otherwise. With all of the infiltration even in this day, think back to the day's of Muawiya (sp?), and even before that!

The adversary, is well aware of the following verse, and others like it. They desire the worship of Satan alone! Food for thought.

009.033 هُوَ الَّذِي أَرْسَلَ رَسُولَهُ بِالْهُدَى وَدِينِ الْحَقِّ لِيُظْهِرَهُ عَلَى الدِّينِ كُلِّهِ وَلَوْ كَرِهَ الْمُشْرِكُونَ

009.033 It is He Who hath sent His Messenger with guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest (it). Al-Qur'an, 009.033 (At-Tawba [Repentance, Dispensation])

Wa salaam. Faithfully999

With all due respect, this is just none sense and twisting things. Islam is religion of justice it is fundamental of our faith. You can not unjustly throw people in jail or "house arrest" them because they disagree with you or your interoperation of Islam.

This is precisely what's wrong with Islam today! Everyone thinks he is the representative of Islam. In Saudi Arabia wahabis think they are, in egypt the Salafis, in Iran IRI thinks they they!

The walayt ONLY BELONGS to Allah (swt) and those whom he trusts and chooses. Read your Quran again when Allah (swt) says "اللَّهُ وَلِيُّ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا" "Allah is wali of momenin.

IRI is claiming to be authority of Allah (swt) on earth doing his work, then why do we need for Imam Mahdi (as)?!

Brother, can you tell me why you don't like Iranian Gov?

Sure...read my reply to Faithfully999

Edited May 18, 2013 by Ali-Reza

[aliasghark]

The walayt ONLY BELONGS to Allah (swt) and those whom he trusts and chooses. Read your Quran again when Allah (swt) says "اللَّهُ وَلِيُّ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا" "Allah is wali of momenin.

...and the messenger, and those who give zakat while in prayer.. not just Allah.

IRI is claiming to be authority of Allah (swt) on earth doing his work, then why do we need for Imam Mahdi (as)?!

The Iranian government does not authority over non-Iranians remember?

[aliasghark]

Would you be so kind as to tell us where we might be able to read into the sources you mentioned?

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Freedom_and_Support_Act

The Iran Freedom Support Act (Pub.L. 109–293, 120 Stat. 1344, H.R. 6198, enacted September 30, 2006) is an Act of Congress that appropriated $10 million and directed the President of the United States to spend that money in support of groups opposed to the Iranian government.

See also:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2007/05/bush_authorizes/

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/29/international/middleeast/29iran.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1552784/Bush-sanctions-black-ops-against-Iran.html

[Ali-Reza]

...and the messenger, and those who give zakat while in prayer.. not just Allah.

The Iranian government does not authority over non-Iranians remember?

yes but this brother is using "Islam" as excuse and that is no good excuse. Iran has laws...if people violate it then they should be judged accordingly but arresting people or house arresting people outside justice is not sunnah of prophet (pbuh) or Ahlulbayt (as)

Yaa Ali

[aliasghark]

yes but this brother is using "Islam" as excuse and that is no good excuse. Iran has laws...if people violate it then they should be judged accordingly but arresting people or house arresting people outside justice is not sunnah of prophet (pbuh) or Ahlulbayt (as)

Yaa Ali

Are you saying the people arrested were innocent? How do you know?

[Ali-Reza]

Are you saying the people arrested were innocent? How do you know?

Not people but scholars ...Was Montazeri was guilty of any major crime? did he even go through a trial to get the long house arrest he got? There Many others like him.

[Faithfully999]

In The Name of The Only GOD, Allah, The Very Merciful, The All Merciful, The Praiseworthy. As salaamu alaykum, The peace be on you, everyone.

Salaam Ali-Reza;

With all due respect, this is just none sense and twisting things. Islam is religion of justice it is fundamental of our faith. You can not unjustly throw people in jail or "house arrest" them because they disagree with you or your interoperation of Islam.

This is precisely what's wrong with Islam today! Everyone thinks he is the representative of Islam. In Saudi Arabia wahabis think they are, in egypt the Salafis, in Iran IRI thinks they they!

The walayt ONLY BELONGS to Allah (swt) and those whom he trusts and chooses. Read your Quran again when Allah (swt) says "اللَّهُ وَلِيُّ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا" "Allah is wali of momenin.

IRI is claiming to be authority of Allah (swt) on earth doing his work, then why do we need for Imam Mahdi (as)?!

I suspect that you've missed my intended point. I did'nt mean that people should be arrested for no reason, or, even detained for that matter, for no reason. In the sense of obedience, everyone should be a representative of Islam. But, of course what is missing is uniformity, or should I say unity; is probably what you are referring to. Faith, or better still, conviction, is not to be found in many people today. It is not so easy to get everyone on the same track, so to speak. So, it isn't wrong to keep check on those whom only seem, to be a little 'different'.

Wassalaam. Faithfully999

[Jaane Rabb]

Weren't some scholars put under house arrest because they opposed wilayat-e-faqih?

[Ali-F]

Weren't some scholars put under house arrest because they opposed wilayat-e-faqih?

Give me one scholars who is fully against WF? Some are against parts etc. of the concept.

Wa alaykum al salam wb

Enlighten me.

[Faithfully999]

Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim. As salaamu alaykum. I pray that this helps.

The idea of guardianship as rule was advanced by the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini in a series of lectures in 1970 and now forms the basis of the constitution of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The constitution of Iran calls for a faqih, or Vali-ye faqih (Guardian Jurist), to serve as the Supreme Leader of the government.[4][5] In the context of Iran, guardianship of the jurist is often referred to as "rule by the jurisprudent," or "rule of the Islamic jurist". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vilayat-e_Faqih

Wassalaam. Faithfully999

Edited May 25, 2013 by Faithfully999

[Ugly Jinn]

Weren't some scholars put under house arrest because they opposed wilayat-e-faqih?

Yeah. And many more citizens who voiced their opinions. Many, many, many were executed by Khomenei during the revolution also. And many more chose not to say anything fearing the consequences.

Give me one scholars who is fully against WF? Some are against parts etc. of the concept.

Errrr, they were/are against the concept of WF itself, not an aspect, where a fallible can attain absolute authority of society, which is the definition of WF. Without that 'aspect', as you put it, there is no such thing as WF.

Edited May 25, 2013 by Ugly Jinn

[Wizdom]

Yeah. And many more citizens who voiced their opinions. Many, many, many were executed by Khomenei during the revolution also. And many more chose not to say anything fearing the consequences.

Errrr, they were/are against the concept of WF itself, not an aspect, where a fallible can attain absolute authority of society, which is the definition of WF. Without that 'aspect', as you put it, there is no such thing as WF.

Many, many MKO operatives were executed, yes.

And as for the second point you made, it just goes to show how completely clueless you really are. Name one Marji' who is against the concept of WF.

[Al-Hussayni]

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[Wizdom]

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The video refers to their support of WF as it is practised in the IRI. Anyhow, the video is being extremely selective. For instance, Syed FadhlAllah - whilst he may have said that there is no evidence for WF in scriptures, the Syed goes on to say that he sees no problem with such a system as it is safeguarding a society.

Question :

What is Grand Ayatollah Sistani's opinion about Wilayat-e Faqih (governance of jurist)?

Answer :

Every jurisprudent (Faqih) has wilayah (guardianship) over non-litigious affairs. Non-litigious affairs are called "al-omour al-hesbiah". As for general affairs to which social order is linked, wilayah of a Faqih and enforcement of wilayah depend on certain conditions one of which is popularity of Faqih among majority of momeneen

http://www.sistani.org/index.php?p=616687&id=1204

I can't be bothered to refute every part of the video, especially as I couldn't care less about what some of the Maraji' in that video say.

[Al-Hussayni]

^

I don't think the video gives all the fatwa, but overall: Some of them have rejected WF in it's entirety whilst others have just rejected wilayat ul faqih al mutlaq (absolute guardianship) but believe in a general one. So they all believe in different levels of it.

Edited May 25, 2013 by Labbayk

[Al-Hassan]

On 5/25/2013 at 5:06 PM, Wizdom said:

Many, many MKO operatives were executed, yes.

And as for the second point you made, it just goes to show how completely clueless you really are. Name one Marji' who is against the concept of WF.

Yes,and as well as some righteous scholars that have been harshly murdered such as Sayed Reda Al-Shirazi. It's worth to mention that confirmed reports state that the funereal of his uncle ; Grand Ayatollah Muhamed Al-Shirazi has been disturbed and attacked by these same people. These are confirmed reports and even supported by the relatives of these martyred scholars which cannot be denied.

http://c.shia4up.net/uploads/13342650281.png

On 5/25/2013 at 5:50 PM, Labbayk said:

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Thumbs up for that. As far as I am aware now, none of these scholars recognize the concept of Walayat Al-Faqih Al-Mutlaqah that is applied in Iran today. However, it's also worth to mention, that they do not entirely reject the concept of it, but rather, define it slightly in another way than Allama Khomanie defined it. To give an example, here is how Ayatollah Sayed Sadiq Al-Shirazi defines the concept of Wilyat Al-Faqih,

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Question: Can you please enlighten us about Waley-ul-Faqih, and his authority?

Waley-ul-Faqih is the Just Islamic Ruler who meets ALL the criteria for being a Faqih and Marje' - i.e. aMujtahid or an expert and a competent in Islamic law - and who also meets all the criteria for being a ruler orWaley, such as having the trust of the public and being elected by the Muslim masses.

If there was only one Faqih who met all the criteria of a Marje' and was overwhelmingly elected by the Muslims to lead the country, then he is the Waley-ul-Faqih. However, if there were several Fuqaha who meet all the criteria for being Marje', and there was no overwhelming endorsement for just one of them - which is usually the case - then the ruler of the country and its Waley-ul-Faqih in this case is the "Shura al-Fuqaha al-Maraje' " or the Council of the Maraje' Fuqaha. The members of this council are the qualified Fuqaha andMaraje' who are elected/followed by the public. This Council of Leadership isthe ruler of the Muslim Ummah and its Waley-ul-Faqih. On the other hand members of this council may elect one of the members as their leader and therefore the leader of the country, i.e. the Waley-ul-Faqih.

[Mod Note: Link removed. No longer a religious site.]

Edited December 3, 2021 by Hameedeh
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[Wizdom]

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I don't think the video gives all the fatwa, but overall: Some of them have rejected WF in it's entirety whilst others have just rejected wilayat ul faqih al mutlaq (absolutel guardianship) but believe in a general one. So they all believe in different levels of it.

Just to add - I can't even find any trace of that interview with Syed FadhlAllah online. All I could find was text on al-Jazeera's website - which I do not judge as being reliable.

Yes,and as well as some righteous scholars that have been harshly murdered such as Sayed Reda Al-Shirazi.